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00:00:07,411\n徐欣瑩徐欣瑩徐欣瑩徐欣瑩徐欣瑩徐欣瑩徐欣瑩\n\n2\n00:00:29,219 --> 00:00:48,996\n三位好本席今天我們在這個委員會來討論有關不動產估價師部分條文的修正那今天最重要就是提到第八條第一項的一到四款特別是針對第二款對於不發給撤銷或廢紙開業證書的\n\n3\n00:00:53,370 --> 00:01:18,339\n在此情形裡為了落實保障罹患精神疾病或身心障礙者的工作權益。我看到內政部表示贊同。司法院也表示尊重。本席其實也是贊同這樣的修法方向。但是如果說這第二款刪除的話可能會有一些疑慮。\n\n4\n00:01:19,699 --> 00:01:38,092\n那所以本席想在這邊就教首先這個衛福部李記政就是說難道沒有不動產估價師他的身心狀況已經達到無法執業可是又還沒有達到監護宣告跟輔助宣告的情況\n\n5\n00:01:39,332 --> 00:02:02,407\n那這種情形如果我們第二條刪除的話那這種情形怎麼辦因為不動產估價師他一旦他的精神或身心狀況他在幫民眾處理這種不動產的時候那這個糾紛你因為我們的法令這樣定所以最後就變成民間他們自己很多的爭執這個情況怎麼辦\n\n6\n00:02:07,219 --> 00:02:23,274\n有關於大院所定的版本,其實在其他相關的法律也有類似的立法例。目前對於身心障礙的相關的專門職業人員法律的一個規定,其實有兩種的立法例。\n\n7\n00:02:24,333 --> 00:02:39,705\n如果說這個專門職業人員他執行業務的結果那他會間接影響到當事人的權益的話那就會像會計司法、地政司法一樣就會把這個身心障礙的這個職業就刪除那另外有一種立法例\n\n8\n00:02:40,765 --> 00:03:06,991\n就是說會把什麼刪除?就不讓他執業嗎?對對對,就是類似今天的這個委員所提的版本把這個第二款就做直接刪除那有另外一種立法例如果這個專門職業的不是我現在就是說第二款刪除了那可是他還沒達到這個輔助宣告跟監務宣告那這樣的情形他可以執業嗎?所以我就要跟委員報告說還有另外一種立法提例就是說如果他會\n\n9\n00:03:07,771 --> 00:03:34,219\n直接影響到當事人權益的話現行的驗光人員法裡面他會做條文的修正是說如果他有克服你現在講驗光人員可是我們現在我在講不動產估價師我是把他的立法的立跟委員做說明沒有沒有我不是立法的立我現在就針對不動產估價師你沒有回答問題但因為我時間不多請你用書面請你用書面回答接著本席想要請教法務部的廖參士\n\n10\n00:03:36,179 --> 00:03:51,014\n這個家人申請監護或輔助宣告那個是為了本人的利益不是為了公共或他人的利益嘛對不對那所以那但是檢察官一申請監護處分是為公共或他人利益對吧\n\n11\n00:03:53,379 --> 00:04:11,758\n對,所以現在一樣的問題就是說你第二款刪除但是他還不到這個監護宣告或是輔助宣告的時候那其實那這樣子有精神狀況而且會影響其他人的權益的時候怎麼辦委員好,跟委員報告\n\n12\n00:04:16,041 --> 00:04:17,842\n最後最後那我想請教部長那現在如果發生這一些衝突那請問內政部\n\n13\n00:04:39,335 --> 00:04:51,462\n你能扮演等於說對不動產估價師職業水準如果你能夠掌握他的職業的情況嗎那如果發生業務過失導致他人權益損害的時候誰來負起損害賠償責任\n\n14\n00:04:55,791 --> 00:05:22,891\n現在我們會邀請相關指甲室或相關的縣市的主管機關會邀請專科醫師或組成小組來認定不是,因為這第二款刪除所以它已經就是你讓有狀況可是它的情況沒有到那麼嚴重可是它一樣會損害到人民財產的權益的時候那你誰來負責嘛你就甩鍋給民眾你們自己去協調\n\n15\n00:05:23,832 --> 00:05:25,975\n徐欣瑩徐欣瑩徐欣瑩徐欣瑩徐欣瑩徐欣瑩徐欣瑩徐欣瑩徐欣瑩徐欣瑩徐欣瑩\n\n16\n00:05:39,451 --> 00:06:01,860\n發生兩件案件從新聞我們看到一個是台中終結我相信次長次長您這個雖然剛上任但沒辦法你今天來到我們委員會我還是要詢問昨天我們整個警政署這裡對於這樣的一個情形我們是不是有針對因為我們看到從102年到112年\n\n17\n00:06:04,821 --> 00:06:04,881\n徐欣瑩\n\n18\n00:06:31,146 --> 00:06:55,603\n請檢答是委員好針對隨機上場案件其實這十年來只發生過七件但這七件唯一在交通站體的部分只有一件而已那在這裡面的數字顯示的部分它這個是包含可能車站或周圍地區所以以112...所以你的意思是說因為件數少你們現在針對這個還沒有做任何的一個犯罪模式的評估不是\n\n19\n00:06:56,283 --> 00:06:56,703\n徐欣瑩徐欣瑩徐欣瑩\n\n20\n00:07:19,784 --> 00:07:20,505\n徐欣瑩徐欣瑩徐欣瑩\n\n21\n00:07:43,021 --> 00:08:07,334\n人民都生活在這種不安跟恐懼當中。不要說這種隨機殺人少。但是你一旦發生就沒得預防啊。是。跟委員報告,針對像這個在外的這個就是屬於在治療中脫草的部分,它一旦發生之後我們立即會發起臨訪機制。所以在發生的當下﹖所以這個逃脫兩天了。兩天還是三天了。\n\n22\n00:08:09,995 --> 00:08:29,196\n我看是5月19逃脫的。今天22日了。所以那你們現在抓到了沒?目前還在追緝當中。因為他行蹤也不斷的在轉換交通工具。你們在公共運輸系統整個的環境沒有得監控就對了?\n\n23\n00:08:31,082 --> 00:08:52,049\n有沒有考慮人臉辨識我們看很多電影都有現在科技很進步我們現在科技執法但是都是罰民眾這個非常遵守或者非常善良的老百姓但是這些暴露在生活環境中有危險因子的你們有沒有想辦法\n\n24\n00:08:52,629 --> 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