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00:02:13,209\n也跟委員報告我自己我認為是我要有角色因為我必須遵守環境基本法各項的議題那當然啦這個當然這個就是因為環境的能源的政策其實不是我決定的是一個內閣的決定的所以我很樂意參與我們內閣的相關的討論\n\n7\n00:02:15,110 --> 00:02:37,912\n我聽到部長非常積極地說我應該要有角色沒錯部長當然應該要有角色這個本席是來自桃園的立法委員這我要幫我選區的鄉親聲聲冤你可以在這張地圖上看到叫做桃園火力發電地圖它裡面當然不純然都是台電的火力發電廠很多是民營的電廠很多是氣電共生但是我想這些我剛剛特別會問部長\n\n8\n00:02:39,213 --> 00:03:05,115\n這些台電以外的電廠是不是也是碳排大戶其實我想答案是肯定的因為從剛剛的數據的問答裡面可以很清楚的知道全國的總碳排量兩億六千兩億兩億多噸對不對電廠佔將近一半所以說如何在能源政策上務實可行的去做調整其實恐怕才是最有效而且快速的達成淨零碳排目標的有效路徑所以本期希望\n\n9\n00:03:06,075 --> 00:03:22,183\n這個環境部長在未來的內閣裡面在能源政策的討論裡面不只要有角色而且要有比較大的角色因為即便能源政策由經濟部來主導但是經濟發展現在也跟全世界近鄰碳排的這樣子的一個大的趨勢高度相關今天因為時間有限\n\n10\n00:03:23,624 --> 00:03:50,641\n我相信未來也有很多關於探權、探費等等的專案報告那個時候我們再來針對這件事情來做討論但那件事情其實跟經濟也有關所以說在討論未來的內閣的施政方向的時候環境部的角色其實是越來越吃重的所以我希望在能源政策調整的時候環境部長要積極的據理力爭從淨零碳排這樣子的一個角度去大膽的建議我們的新內閣務實的檢討現行的能源政策這是我給部長的第一個期許也給部長的第一個建議\n\n11\n00:03:51,341 --> 00:04:12,495\n第二個建議是除了總體的方向調整之外我們也希望落實區域的正義啊因為你可以看到這張電廠這張地圖其實北台灣整個北台灣大部分的發電重任其實是落在桃園喔那尤其是本期的選區龜山跟蘆竹分別有一座民營電廠正在偷偷摸摸的進行擴建\n\n12\n00:04:14,757 --> 00:04:33,738\n這件事情我覺得按現行的狀況來說我桃園的環境負載其實就已經非常高當然我們桃園是工業重鎮這我們理解但工業重鎮難道沒有污染嗎其實就有嘛本身現行的狀況來說環境負載對桃園人來說就是沉重負擔如果能源政策繼續這樣子做然後這些既有的電廠還紛紛擴建的話\n\n13\n00:04:35,640 --> 00:05:01,406\n如果我作為選區的立法委員我沒有辦法具體力爭我沒有辦法表達反對的立場那我有愧於這個支持我的鄉親那當然我們希望把格局拉高因為這不是只是我個人的選區利益也不是只是我選區鄉親的利益而是這一件事情已經不再是桃園的事情它不只是桃園的事它也是全國面對淨零碳排的重大危機我不希望這些電廠要被迫擴建然後增加更多的碳排增加更多的環境負載\n\n14\n00:05:02,026 --> 00:05:17,291\n所以我高度的期待環境部長在未來能源政策的討論裡面要有非常重要的角色不只是要為這個選區的環境正義發聲也要為淨零碳排來發聲這是我希望部長把這件事當一回事來幫我們距離來主張第二個\n\n15\n00:05:19,472 --> 00:05:48,476\n今天我們還除了討論空氣以外噪音的汙染也是本席非常關心的一個題目最近我們大家都在討論這個噪音車的管制那最近也有修法的這些方向從明天開始大概就是以抓改為主如果你改管沒有經過原廠也就是環境部的這樣一個認證機制可以立刻來開罰這樣子當然可以有助於提升取締的效率但是我也要提醒環境部因為以後抓改就很方便警察這個有微星電腦直接檢驗就可以直接開罰\n\n16\n00:05:49,276 --> 00:06:16,249\n當然提升開發效率有效嚇阻這個方向本席同意但是我擔心的是會不會未來我們針對改管這件事情你去取締之後會不會該偵測噪音的我們就不做了都丟給警察處理了我要提醒的是不是所有的改管都會有噪音有些噪音並不一定來自於改管的問題所以我要求環境部在這個地方的力道不能因為修法跟方向調整而有所降低也就是說該抓草的還是要抓\n\n17\n00:06:16,949 --> 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這個環境部長有請 請 噢 彭部長部長 早安喔 這個恭喜上任 那今天做一下大方向的政策對話 我們等一下投影片第一個我想要問喔 這個淨零碳排喔 是不是新政府重大的施政目標\n這當然是這是一個延續型的而且是全球的目標我們都應該積極往那個方向走好那以這個國內的各生產單位或者是各個碳排大戶而言喔電廠火力電廠是不是碳排大戶當然是當然是喔有沒有掌握到火力電廠的碳排佔全台灣的百分比跟相關的一些數字如果以台電的話大概佔了一億噸的排碳量一億噸全國的總量是多少\n我們全國所有的大概是兩億七千多萬噸全國但是不是只有火力發電我知道那就是含產業嗎以及任何跟相關的部長不錯概念蠻好的數字這個稱讚一下所以你講只有台電光台電的電廠就佔了一億噸的碳排\n但是他其實是我們用的店所以是這個的產業我知道這是難免的事情對不對那你們有沒有包含其他的民營電廠的碳排當然有當然有在裡面所以加起來大概是我實際數字我在跟委員報告但是整個大概是2億6、2億7左右\n我意思說台電是台電的電廠還是韓民營電廠是一億台電台電所以如果還加上了民營電廠的碳排可能會更多對不對更多一些OK好這個那我要再問齁能源政策未來我們在討論能源政策的時候環境部有沒有角色\n也跟委員報告我自己我認為是我要有角色因為我必須遵守環境基本法各項的議題那當然啦這個當然這個就是因為環境的能源的政策其實不是我決定的是一個內閣的決定的所以我很樂意參與我們內閣的相關的討論\n我聽到部長非常積極地說我應該要有角色沒錯部長當然應該要有角色這個本席是來自桃園的立法委員這我要幫我選區的鄉親聲聲冤你可以在這張地圖上看到叫做桃園火力發電地圖它裡面當然不純然都是台電的火力發電廠很多是民營的電廠很多是氣電共生但是我想這些我剛剛特別會問部長\n這些台電以外的電廠是不是也是碳排大戶其實我想答案是肯定的因為從剛剛的數據的問答裡面可以很清楚的知道全國的總碳排量兩億六千兩億兩億多噸對不對電廠佔將近一半所以說如何在能源政策上務實可行的去做調整其實恐怕才是最有效而且快速的達成淨零碳排目標的有效路徑所以本期希望\n這個環境部長在未來的內閣裡面在能源政策的討論裡面不只要有角色而且要有比較大的角色因為即便能源政策由經濟部來主導但是經濟發展現在也跟全世界近鄰碳排的這樣子的一個大的趨勢高度相關今天因為時間有限\n我相信未來也有很多關於探權、探費等等的專案報告那個時候我們再來針對這件事情來做討論但那件事情其實跟經濟也有關所以說在討論未來的內閣的施政方向的時候環境部的角色其實是越來越吃重的所以我希望在能源政策調整的時候環境部長要積極的據理力爭從淨零碳排這樣子的一個角度去大膽的建議我們的新內閣務實的檢討現行的能源政策這是我給部長的第一個期許也給部長的第一個建議\n第二個建議是除了總體的方向調整之外我們也希望落實區域的正義啊因為你可以看到這張電廠這張地圖其實北台灣整個北台灣大部分的發電重任其實是落在桃園喔那尤其是本期的選區龜山跟蘆竹分別有一座民營電廠正在偷偷摸摸的進行擴建\n這件事情我覺得按現行的狀況來說我桃園的環境負載其實就已經非常高當然我們桃園是工業重鎮這我們理解但工業重鎮難道沒有污染嗎其實就有嘛本身現行的狀況來說環境負載對桃園人來說就是沉重負擔如果能源政策繼續這樣子做然後這些既有的電廠還紛紛擴建的話\n如果我作為選區的立法委員我沒有辦法具體力爭我沒有辦法表達反對的立場那我有愧於這個支持我的鄉親那當然我們希望把格局拉高因為這不是只是我個人的選區利益也不是只是我選區鄉親的利益而是這一件事情已經不再是桃園的事情它不只是桃園的事它也是全國面對淨零碳排的重大危機我不希望這些電廠要被迫擴建然後增加更多的碳排增加更多的環境負載\n所以我高度的期待環境部長在未來能源政策的討論裡面要有非常重要的角色不只是要為這個選區的環境正義發聲也要為淨零碳排來發聲這是我希望部長把這件事當一回事來幫我們距離來主張第二個\n今天我們還除了討論空氣以外噪音的汙染也是本席非常關心的一個題目最近我們大家都在討論這個噪音車的管制那最近也有修法的這些方向從明天開始大概就是以抓改為主如果你改管沒有經過原廠也就是環境部的這樣一個認證機制可以立刻來開罰這樣子當然可以有助於提升取締的效率但是我也要提醒環境部因為以後抓改就很方便警察這個有微星電腦直接檢驗就可以直接開罰\n當然提升開發效率有效嚇阻這個方向本席同意但是我擔心的是會不會未來我們針對改管這件事情你去取締之後會不會該偵測噪音的我們就不做了都丟給警察處理了我要提醒的是不是所有的改管都會有噪音有些噪音並不一定來自於改管的問題所以我要求環境部在這個地方的力道不能因為修法跟方向調整而有所降低也就是說該抓草的還是要抓\n我們針對噢這個噪音取締的人力針對噪音科技執法的預算我希望還是可以看到一個上升趨勢去協助各地的地方政府來打擊這個噪音車的這個問題那未來我們本期也會提出噪音管制法的一些相關的修正希望環境部可以積極來配合\n因為噪音車也是一個擾亂民生一個大的問題今天時間有限我們先就這兩個方向跟環境部長做政策對話期待未來有更多的機會深入的來討論交流也預祝這個部長新上任一切順利感謝謝謝謝謝委員我會保持委員的意見我會留留參考謝謝謝謝好謝謝牛煦庭委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.029 --> 00:34.602\n謝謝主席喔這個環境部長有請請噢彭部長部長早安喔這個恭喜上任那今天做一下大方向的政策對話我們等一下投影片第一個我想要問喔這個淨零碳排喔是不是新政府重大的施政目標\n\n00:36.328 --> 01:04.604\n這當然是這是一個延續型的而且是全球的目標我們都應該積極往那個方向走好那以這個國內的各生產單位或者是各個碳排大戶而言喔電廠火力電廠是不是碳排大戶當然是當然是喔有沒有掌握到火力電廠的碳排佔全台灣的百分比跟相關的一些數字如果以台電的話大概佔了一億噸的排碳量一億噸全國的總量是多少\n\n01:05.825 --> 01:23.417\n我們全國所有的大概是兩億七千多萬噸全國但是不是只有火力發電我知道那就是含產業嗎以及任何跟相關的部長不錯概念蠻好的數字這個稱讚一下所以你講只有台電光台電的電廠就佔了一億噸的碳排\n\n01:23.777 --> 01:37.792\n但是他其實是我們用的店所以是這個的產業我知道這是難免的事情對不對那你們有沒有包含其他的民營電廠的碳排當然有當然有在裡面所以加起來大概是我實際數字我在跟委員報告但是整個大概是2億6、2億7左右\n\n01:39.634 --> 01:54.659\n我意思說台電是台電的電廠還是韓民營電廠是一億台電台電所以如果還加上了民營電廠的碳排可能會更多對不對更多一些OK好這個那我要再問齁能源政策未來我們在討論能源政策的時候環境部有沒有角色\n\n01:56.102 --> 02:13.209\n也跟委員報告我自己我認為是我要有角色因為我必須遵守環境基本法各項的議題那當然啦這個當然這個就是因為環境的能源的政策其實不是我決定的是一個內閣的決定的所以我很樂意參與我們內閣的相關的討論\n\n02:15.110 --> 02:37.912\n我聽到部長非常積極地說我應該要有角色沒錯部長當然應該要有角色這個本席是來自桃園的立法委員這我要幫我選區的鄉親聲聲冤你可以在這張地圖上看到叫做桃園火力發電地圖它裡面當然不純然都是台電的火力發電廠很多是民營的電廠很多是氣電共生但是我想這些我剛剛特別會問部長\n\n02:39.213 --> 03:05.115\n這些台電以外的電廠是不是也是碳排大戶其實我想答案是肯定的因為從剛剛的數據的問答裡面可以很清楚的知道全國的總碳排量兩億六千兩億兩億多噸對不對電廠佔將近一半所以說如何在能源政策上務實可行的去做調整其實恐怕才是最有效而且快速的達成淨零碳排目標的有效路徑所以本期希望\n\n03:06.075 --> 03:22.183\n這個環境部長在未來的內閣裡面在能源政策的討論裡面不只要有角色而且要有比較大的角色因為即便能源政策由經濟部來主導但是經濟發展現在也跟全世界近鄰碳排的這樣子的一個大的趨勢高度相關今天因為時間有限\n\n03:23.624 --> 03:50.641\n我相信未來也有很多關於探權、探費等等的專案報告那個時候我們再來針對這件事情來做討論但那件事情其實跟經濟也有關所以說在討論未來的內閣的施政方向的時候環境部的角色其實是越來越吃重的所以我希望在能源政策調整的時候環境部長要積極的據理力爭從淨零碳排這樣子的一個角度去大膽的建議我們的新內閣務實的檢討現行的能源政策這是我給部長的第一個期許也給部長的第一個建議\n\n03:51.341 --> 04:12.495\n第二個建議是除了總體的方向調整之外我們也希望落實區域的正義啊因為你可以看到這張電廠這張地圖其實北台灣整個北台灣大部分的發電重任其實是落在桃園喔那尤其是本期的選區龜山跟蘆竹分別有一座民營電廠正在偷偷摸摸的進行擴建\n\n04:14.757 --> 04:33.738\n這件事情我覺得按現行的狀況來說我桃園的環境負載其實就已經非常高當然我們桃園是工業重鎮這我們理解但工業重鎮難道沒有污染嗎其實就有嘛本身現行的狀況來說環境負載對桃園人來說就是沉重負擔如果能源政策繼續這樣子做然後這些既有的電廠還紛紛擴建的話\n\n04:35.640 --> 05:01.406\n如果我作為選區的立法委員我沒有辦法具體力爭我沒有辦法表達反對的立場那我有愧於這個支持我的鄉親那當然我們希望把格局拉高因為這不是只是我個人的選區利益也不是只是我選區鄉親的利益而是這一件事情已經不再是桃園的事情它不只是桃園的事它也是全國面對淨零碳排的重大危機我不希望這些電廠要被迫擴建然後增加更多的碳排增加更多的環境負載\n\n05:02.026 --> 05:17.291\n所以我高度的期待環境部長在未來能源政策的討論裡面要有非常重要的角色不只是要為這個選區的環境正義發聲也要為淨零碳排來發聲這是我希望部長把這件事當一回事來幫我們距離來主張第二個\n\n05:19.472 --> 05:48.476\n今天我們還除了討論空氣以外噪音的汙染也是本席非常關心的一個題目最近我們大家都在討論這個噪音車的管制那最近也有修法的這些方向從明天開始大概就是以抓改為主如果你改管沒有經過原廠也就是環境部的這樣一個認證機制可以立刻來開罰這樣子當然可以有助於提升取締的效率但是我也要提醒環境部因為以後抓改就很方便警察這個有微星電腦直接檢驗就可以直接開罰\n\n05:49.276 --> 06:16.249\n當然提升開發效率有效嚇阻這個方向本席同意但是我擔心的是會不會未來我們針對改管這件事情你去取締之後會不會該偵測噪音的我們就不做了都丟給警察處理了我要提醒的是不是所有的改管都會有噪音有些噪音並不一定來自於改管的問題所以我要求環境部在這個地方的力道不能因為修法跟方向調整而有所降低也就是說該抓草的還是要抓\n\n06:16.949 --> 06:33.568\n我們針對噢這個噪音取締的人力針對噪音科技執法的預算我希望還是可以看到一個上升趨勢去協助各地的地方政府來打擊這個噪音車的這個問題那未來我們本期也會提出噪音管制法的一些相關的修正希望環境部可以積極來配合\n\n06:34.329 --> 06:53.691\n因為噪音車也是一個擾亂民生一個大的問題今天時間有限我們先就這兩個方向跟環境部長做政策對話期待未來有更多的機會深入的來討論交流也預祝這個部長新上任一切順利感謝謝謝謝謝委員我會保持委員的意見我會留留參考謝謝謝謝好謝謝牛煦庭委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":10.029,"end":34.602,"text":"謝謝主席喔 這個環境部長有請 請 噢 彭部長部長 早安喔 這個恭喜上任 那今天做一下大方向的政策對話 我們等一下投影片第一個我想要問喔 這個淨零碳排喔 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