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00:02:22,050\n原保地建價機制銀行放貸方案的一個研商會議那其實我的訴求很簡單主委就是我希望各部會分工像是金管會財政部我就希望來提供一個公股銀行的評鑑誘因\n\n8\n00:02:23,610 --> 00:02:23,750\n委員會委員會\n\n9\n00:02:53,810 --> 00:03:16,223\n在這個5月有回函給我他們說會協助來請這個估價師公會研擬準則那農業金庫也回函了積極配合辦理原住民貸款業務原民會也回函了說他們已經研擬了元寶地的一個信寶作業要點草案\n\n10\n00:03:17,424 --> 00:03:31,644\n財政部也回函了說會協請公股銀行來配合內政部辦理估價那你們金管會也回函了上次黃天牧主委也說了就是他已經發函\n\n11\n00:03:32,905 --> 00:03:56,274\n督促各個銀行落實公平貸客原則落實普惠金融政策那也在推動修正金融評鑑的規定如果願意乘坐元寶地的貸款業務會給予加分並且加強宣導那另外建議內政部要做實價登錄增加元寶地交易資訊建議原民會\n\n12\n00:03:57,014 --> 00:04:15,089\n要去做原保地的信用保證提高銀行的意願那我也要跟主委說明你們建議內政部石家東路部分他們也回函已經做了原民會的信保剛才有提了也已經在研擬草案了那現在我就是要請教主委\n\n13\n00:04:16,010 --> 00:04:38,866\n好,各部會都已經釋出了正面的回應那金管會這邊除了ESG的評鑑加分的制度不曉得主委你有沒有其他可以積極促成的解方請教主委是委員這個可不可以容許我請銀行局局長跟您回答一下好謝謝主要局長\n\n14\n00:04:41,172 --> 00:04:57,069\n報告委員剛剛就已經特別有提到就說ESG的評分因為今年的評分的指標其實是已經進來了所以我們已經仔細的去檢視裡面的評分的指標是可以放進去的\n\n15\n00:04:57,509 --> 00:04:58,770\n那至於是不是還有沒有其他都積極促成的解方：\n\n16\n00:05:19,139 --> 00:05:29,554\n是不是可以讓我們來思考一下因為目前我們有多項的政策性的放款比如說中小企業放款或者是六大核心企業的放款那這個部分的話我們也來演繹看看有沒有可能把它放進去\n\n17\n00:05:35,222 --> 00:05:53,058\n那還有再來就是說各金融機構他在偵測分支機構的時候我們會看他政策的配合度給他一些加分的項目我們也可以來思考是不是針對呃原住民的這個放款是不是也可以放到這個加分的項目裡面好上報告\n\n18\n00:05:54,159 --> 00:06:12,278\n謝謝局長也謝謝諸位我這樣聽起來確實是很有善很積極但是我這邊還有一個小小的請求就是我們真的走進銀行的時候其實還有一個小障礙那就是我們所謂的5P原則\n\n19\n00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:33,410\n那這個五批原則其實我第一次質詢金管會的時候我有提到啦其實在國外都有一些消除歧視消除刻板印象的政策啦你應該很清楚因為我這個五批我簡單講其實是很容易落入刻板印象喔\n\n20\n00:06:34,571 --> 00:06:57,828\n我光是講借款人是原住民是不是那個分數就很低了對不對然後你提到資金用途做什麼啊你的還款來源啊這個分數都很低的債權的保障啊還有甚至受信的展望像假設他說我為了要去做現在小型露營場已經合法化\n\n21\n00:06:58,729 --> 00:07:19,301\n可是他想要去做的時候他會面臨我要弄一些污水處理啊我會被要求要去做水保設施啊他沒有資金啊他想要去貸款啊好那這時候獸性的展望可能他就不理解我們銀行端可能就不理解他那個獸性展望到底是什麼\n\n22\n00:07:20,342 --> 00:07:37,260\n所以我想這個部分我其實是要談的是說現在金管會各部會我們的好事就做盡就是治標也治本那主委您也是新上任勇於認識我是在想這個援助民族的財務體質我覺得要改善\n\n23\n00:07:41,579 --> 00:08:03,198\n這是社會結構的問題不能夠單純的去歸咎個人的問題我希望政府一同的來承擔那我也希望我們原住民族有一天可以不再仰賴政策不再仰賴政策所以在這邊我要跟主委講一下其實我在109年的7月也就是疫情最嚴峻的時候\n\n24\n00:08:04,179 --> 00:08:26,449\n我有召開一個協調會為什麼因為當時我們的紓困貸款原住民看得到吃不到他沒有那個信用所以呢我那個時候有請原民會還有聯府基金會幫忙做一個清償債務的這個部分原民會很好當時金管會其實也有幫忙\n\n25\n00:08:27,609 --> 00:08:44,867\n有提供那些金融輔導員獎勵金就是你每幫忙一個個案他就給他獎勵金那我現在就是拜託我們的主委是不是可以支持就是比照像法輔基金會他們有一個定期定點下箱的服務配合活動他們就有一個帳篷\n\n26\n00:08:46,388 --> 00:09:09,346\n我是希望說跟原民會的金服員合作也能夠有公股銀行來合作去做一個原住民族債務整合及清償的專案我想這個部分對我們原住民很重要另外就是現在我們政府尤其是賴清德總統他在台南市政府的時候他就在推族群主流化的政策\n\n27\n00:09:10,430 --> 00:09:25,387\n我想我們的原住民族教育也在前幾年已經修法把對象改為全體國民所以我們說這是全民原教我們原住民族作為臺灣的一份子作為臺灣這個土地的長子\n\n28\n00:09:27,870 --> 00:09:57,047\n我是希望說這個部分我們的金管會也能夠來策進我們的這些銀行他們能夠做一個在職的訓練提升我們的公股銀行的從業人員對於原住民族的一個認識跟各種原住民政策相關的認識我相信會對我們整個友善金融普惠金融會有很大的幫助那請主委來表示一下您的看法\n\n29\n00:09:57,807 --> 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