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00:03:02,000\n剛才這一頁往前這一個新聞是民國44年有兩個女生在西門町逛街就被請到警察局那犯了什麼罪\n\n9\n00:03:03,359 --> 00:03:04,400\n文化部等同文化部\n\n10\n00:03:27,444 --> 00:03:46,569\n當然當然當然不是不是一個機構不是一個機構但是是不是文化是不是是文化部的責任是是文化部的責任沒有問題所以是廣泛的這樣子的一個文化應該是要作為文化部致力的目標而不是太衙門化\n\n11\n00:03:49,910 --> 00:04:07,502\n雅文化就變成辦公嘛大家辦公他很多事情就覺得與我無關嘛是嗎那不然這事情是誰的責任誰來改善這些問題呢好就是這一個我簡單講我發現這一個1970年代的時候1970年的時候台灣的運營中位數是19.3歲2040年是52.4歲落差非常大\n\n12\n00:04:18,110 --> 00:04:28,018\n1970年65歲上占人口2.9%2040年是30.1%那年齡的14歲以下1970年是39.72040年是10.2部長看了這是國發會的資料這不是我編的所以呢各位就是翻天覆地的改變\n\n13\n00:04:45,552 --> 00:04:57,943\n我發現我們政府所有的部會都停留在1970年代的思維在制定政策那我要看看文化部是不是也這樣子所有的部會部都在歧視高齡者\n\n14\n00:04:59,244 --> 00:05:24,645\n我們幾乎90%的預算都在衛福部其他的部會只要超過60歲叫做清廷點水而且那一部分小小的部分也是配合衛福部所以我剛才講為什麼60加以後何去何從基本上是被我們政府放棄的一群人我不曉得有沒有被文化部放棄所有的部會這個我在今天沒有時間談每一個部會我都溝通過了\n\n15\n00:05:26,026 --> 00:05:31,449\n我們來等一下今天的重點基本上60歲以上現在台灣超過60歲有600萬人這600萬人我們的政府大概都是為60歲以前的社會來打拼一旦過60歲以後\n\n16\n00:05:44,198 --> 00:06:10,204\n我要等一下問一下文化部委員會做了什麼事基本上就是一片荒漠沒有橋沒有路沒有水沒有電自己走過去自生自滅自求多福等到你倒下來以後給你長照這個基本上是我們現在的現況描述但現在有600萬人而且未來這些人會超過人口的一半到2050年這邊會佔人口的一半\n\n17\n00:06:14,017 --> 00:06:35,283\n已經在眼前的我們的政府都完全視而不見為什麼會視而不見呢我問了每一個部會他說也不是我故意的比如說勞動部定是中高齡說那中高齡幾歲他說45歲我說45歲會不會太寒嘛出國念書回來都40歲工作幾年就準備輔導待退\n\n18\n00:06:37,560 --> 00:07:02,039\n那說欸對齁但是這個不是我規定的阿他上面規定的後來問到我問到了陳建仁院長他說也不是他規定的那後來是什麼後來大家歸注的原因就是文化這就是我們的文化那文化部又說這不是我們的事那這是誰的事神仙的事齁我們看文化部文化部做什麼去年的預算高齡預算\n\n19\n00:07:03,570 --> 00:07:07,973\n吳春城吳春城吳春城吳春城吳春城吳春城吳春城吳春城\n\n20\n00:07:17,591 --> 00:07:17,771\n接下來﹗\n\n21\n00:07:34,776 --> 00:07:57,125\n大概你到書局看的只要高零的都是這些書籍啦好接下來但是你看到好萊塢都已經發現現在的電影的主流都交給壯世代看的所以呢你看最近這幾年都很多的懷舊跟父妹創造了阿湯哥衝映來的最高就是最高的那個的票房\n\n22\n00:07:58,685 --> 00:08:26,358\n這裡有大商機啦我們在座吳春城的蔡董事長有看到嘛對不對要往這裡啦不是全部都年輕人這邊倒了年輕人也沒有未來的啦好接下來所以呢這一個高齡美學我們有一個叫壯世代有一個叫壯時代壯風格希望文化部能夠創造壯時代壯風格高齡美學因為明年就進入超高齡社會了\n\n23\n00:08:27,898 --> 00:08:45,323\n這文化部重中之重。我們要把引法族翻傳成為壯世代。那這個有很多完全不一樣。對引法族來講他就是養生養病養老。但是對我們來講他有美好的第三人生。會帶來對整個社會非常全面性的影響。\n\n24\n00:08:46,903 --> 00:09:09,380\n我們用大數據可以看到如果你輸入的是銀髮高齡大概長出來的那個大數據銀土大概就是這些數據如果你輸入的壯世代是這樣子完全不同但是同一批人你有沒有去挖掘這些人事實上就叫做戰後嬰兒草戰後嬰兒草全部進入60歲了這一批人所構成包括部長你也是戰後嬰兒草\n\n25\n00:09:10,681 --> 00:09:13,443\n為什麼大家都沒有在做,連我來自廣告界,廣告界不會做60歲以上的廣告\n\n26\n00:09:34,793 --> 00:09:54,227\n只會那種啊,夠白酒啦,夠滾滾啦,然後大概就這些廣告而已其他全部不會做,為什麼?因為沒有這一些數據我們基本上把60歲以後當作準備把它放在儲藏室準備報銷的一群人這一群人未來會佔人口一半\n\n27\n00:09:55,410 --> 00:09:55,490\n吳春城議員\n\n28\n00:10:08,393 --> 00:10:08,473\n接下來\n\n29\n00:10:32,403 --> 00:11:00,643\n我也跟部長告了我在立法院成立了壯士在政策及產業發展促進會63個立委跨黨派的立委加入200個位學者已經成為現在立法院最大的次團這個是不分黨派大家共同支持的所以希望文化部在這裡扮演的重中之重的角色那所以對因為你是真正懂的這一個懂的這一個而不是我們在這個雕塚小技武文弄墨\n\n30\n00:11:02,384 --> 00:11:12,969\n另外最後一個我要提醒一下最近發生的事情因為部長在來我先跟你告一個狀最近那個文創館我去質詢他因為今年龍聯龍聯台灣的這一個\n\n31\n00:11:17,199 --> 00:11:42,267\n做了這個創作品叫做叫做什麼阿龍啊吉祥物阿龍齁很總之後來抄襲了人家大陸的吃吃瓜龍然後然後呢被被這個檢舉之後台灣管還出來捍衛指我們是大陸抄襲台灣的後來我發文啊發文質詢之後當天他就道歉\n\n32\n00:11:43,818 --> 00:12:03,004\n當天才向廠商道歉所以呢你看就是必須要立委這樣子去去後面的跟著的所以呢我也在這裡跟部長你告個狀我不曉得文化部底下有多少這種事情有多少這種事情你剛來的時候你應該要清查一下因為如果文化人心速不振\n\n33\n00:12:04,591 --> 00:12:04,851\n希望這個部長加油\n\n34\n00:12:34,113 --> 00:12:34,854\n謝謝你的指教好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n189\t26237\t吳春城委員好有請部長好有請李部長部長部長好恭喜你也為文化部恭喜因為那個小野是一個真正的文化人\n28099\t51828\t重點不在於歷練有再多因為文化是一種靈魂一個民主的靈魂國家一個時代的靈魂那我覺得我們這幾年有點偏差了偏差了這一點只有技術沒有靈魂那我希望一個真正的文化人真正的一個懂得文化的人來接任部長\n52808\t79618\t那部長我講的話你剛才一開場第一個質詢的時候看你有點緊張不過這樣我第一天當立委很緊張但是我看你這樣子一路下來你的神情就越來越穩定所以呢然後呢所以我覺得你非常有把握對要走的路我對那我自己本身也是拿了\n83119\t99063\t4A廣告節的終身成就獎所以我想我應該也算是一個文化人所以希望未來能夠跟這個部長有更深入的對話而不只是浮光烈影談表面的東西這個\n104161\t131297\t因為部長知道我在談壯世代那為什麼談壯世代因為我研究趨勢的我想往前30年台灣最重要一件事情就叫民主化民主化走了30年現在還在炒民主化那我覺得有點落伍了啦現在往後看30年部長覺得最重要的事情是什麼還是民主化嗎\n133274\t136822\t因為這很重要喔 你要知道我們國家往哪裡走\n138428\t139829\t臺灣未來30年最重要的是人口血的問題高齡化跟少子化\n169215\t182000\t剛才這一頁往前這一個新聞是民國44年有兩個女生在西門町逛街就被請到警察局那犯了什麼罪\n183359\t184400\t文化部等同文化部\n207444\t226569\t當然當然當然不是不是一個機構不是一個機構但是是不是文化是不是是文化部的責任是是文化部的責任沒有問題所以是廣泛的這樣子的一個文化應該是要作為文化部致力的目標而不是太衙門化\n229910\t247502\t雅文化就變成辦公嘛大家辦公他很多事情就覺得與我無關嘛是嗎那不然這事情是誰的責任誰來改善這些問題呢好就是這一個我簡單講我發現這一個1970年代的時候1970年的時候台灣的運營中位數是19.3歲2040年是52.4歲落差非常大\n258110\t268018\t1970年65歲上占人口2.9%2040年是30.1%那年齡的14歲以下1970年是39.72040年是10.2部長看了這是國發會的資料這不是我編的所以呢各位就是翻天覆地的改變\n285552\t297943\t我發現我們政府所有的部會都停留在1970年代的思維在制定政策那我要看看文化部是不是也這樣子所有的部會部都在歧視高齡者\n299244\t324645\t我們幾乎90%的預算都在衛福部其他的部會只要超過60歲叫做清廷點水而且那一部分小小的部分也是配合衛福部所以我剛才講為什麼60加以後何去何從基本上是被我們政府放棄的一群人我不曉得有沒有被文化部放棄所有的部會這個我在今天沒有時間談每一個部會我都溝通過了\n326026\t331449\t我們來等一下今天的重點基本上60歲以上現在台灣超過60歲有600萬人這600萬人我們的政府大概都是為60歲以前的社會來打拼一旦過60歲以後\n344198\t370204\t我要等一下問一下文化部委員會做了什麼事基本上就是一片荒漠沒有橋沒有路沒有水沒有電自己走過去自生自滅自求多福等到你倒下來以後給你長照這個基本上是我們現在的現況描述但現在有600萬人而且未來這些人會超過人口的一半到2050年這邊會佔人口的一半\n374017\t395283\t已經在眼前的我們的政府都完全視而不見為什麼會視而不見呢我問了每一個部會他說也不是我故意的比如說勞動部定是中高齡說那中高齡幾歲他說45歲我說45歲會不會太寒嘛出國念書回來都40歲工作幾年就準備輔導待退\n397560\t422039\t那說欸對齁但是這個不是我規定的阿他上面規定的後來問到我問到了陳建仁院長他說也不是他規定的那後來是什麼後來大家歸注的原因就是文化這就是我們的文化那文化部又說這不是我們的事那這是誰的事神仙的事齁我們看文化部文化部做什麼去年的預算高齡預算\n423570\t427973\t吳春城吳春城吳春城吳春城吳春城吳春城吳春城吳春城\n437591\t437771\t接下來﹗\n454776\t477125\t大概你到書局看的只要高零的都是這些書籍啦好接下來但是你看到好萊塢都已經發現現在的電影的主流都交給壯世代看的所以呢你看最近這幾年都很多的懷舊跟父妹創造了阿湯哥衝映來的最高就是最高的那個的票房\n478685\t506358\t這裡有大商機啦我們在座吳春城的蔡董事長有看到嘛對不對要往這裡啦不是全部都年輕人這邊倒了年輕人也沒有未來的啦好接下來所以呢這一個高齡美學我們有一個叫壯世代有一個叫壯時代壯風格希望文化部能夠創造壯時代壯風格高齡美學因為明年就進入超高齡社會了\n507898\t525323\t這文化部重中之重。我們要把引法族翻傳成為壯世代。那這個有很多完全不一樣。對引法族來講他就是養生養病養老。但是對我們來講他有美好的第三人生。會帶來對整個社會非常全面性的影響。\n526903\t549380\t我們用大數據可以看到如果你輸入的是銀髮高齡大概長出來的那個大數據銀土大概就是這些數據如果你輸入的壯世代是這樣子完全不同但是同一批人你有沒有去挖掘這些人事實上就叫做戰後嬰兒草戰後嬰兒草全部進入60歲了這一批人所構成包括部長你也是戰後嬰兒草\n550681\t553443\t為什麼大家都沒有在做,連我來自廣告界,廣告界不會做60歲以上的廣告\n574793\t594227\t只會那種啊,夠白酒啦,夠滾滾啦,然後大概就這些廣告而已其他全部不會做,為什麼?因為沒有這一些數據我們基本上把60歲以後當作準備把它放在儲藏室準備報銷的一群人這一群人未來會佔人口一半\n595410\t595490\t吳春城議員\n608393\t608473\t接下來\n632403\t660643\t我也跟部長告了我在立法院成立了壯士在政策及產業發展促進會63個立委跨黨派的立委加入200個位學者已經成為現在立法院最大的次團這個是不分黨派大家共同支持的所以希望文化部在這裡扮演的重中之重的角色那所以對因為你是真正懂的這一個懂的這一個而不是我們在這個雕塚小技武文弄墨\n662384\t672969\t另外最後一個我要提醒一下最近發生的事情因為部長在來我先跟你告一個狀最近那個文創館我去質詢他因為今年龍聯龍聯台灣的這一個\n677199\t702267\t做了這個創作品叫做叫做什麼阿龍啊吉祥物阿龍齁很總之後來抄襲了人家大陸的吃吃瓜龍然後然後呢被被這個檢舉之後台灣管還出來捍衛指我們是大陸抄襲台灣的後來我發文啊發文質詢之後當天他就道歉\n703818\t723004\t當天才向廠商道歉所以呢你看就是必須要立委這樣子去去後面的跟著的所以呢我也在這裡跟部長你告個狀我不曉得文化部底下有多少這種事情有多少這種事情你剛來的時候你應該要清查一下因為如果文化人心速不振\n724591\t724851\t希望這個部長加油\n754113\t754854\t謝謝你的指教好 謝謝\n","txt":"吳春城委員好有請部長好有請李部長部長部長好恭喜你也為文化部恭喜因為那個小野是一個真正的文化人\n重點不在於歷練有再多因為文化是一種靈魂一個民主的靈魂國家一個時代的靈魂那我覺得我們這幾年有點偏差了偏差了這一點只有技術沒有靈魂那我希望一個真正的文化人真正的一個懂得文化的人來接任部長\n那部長我講的話你剛才一開場第一個質詢的時候看你有點緊張不過這樣我第一天當立委很緊張但是我看你這樣子一路下來你的神情就越來越穩定所以呢然後呢所以我覺得你非常有把握對要走的路我對那我自己本身也是拿了\n4A廣告節的終身成就獎所以我想我應該也算是一個文化人所以希望未來能夠跟這個部長有更深入的對話而不只是浮光烈影談表面的東西這個\n因為部長知道我在談壯世代那為什麼談壯世代因為我研究趨勢的我想往前30年台灣最重要一件事情就叫民主化民主化走了30年現在還在炒民主化那我覺得有點落伍了啦現在往後看30年部長覺得最重要的事情是什麼還是民主化嗎\n因為這很重要喔 你要知道我們國家往哪裡走\n臺灣未來30年最重要的是人口血的問題高齡化跟少子化\n剛才這一頁往前這一個新聞是民國44年有兩個女生在西門町逛街就被請到警察局那犯了什麼罪\n文化部等同文化部\n當然當然當然不是不是一個機構不是一個機構但是是不是文化是不是是文化部的責任是是文化部的責任沒有問題所以是廣泛的這樣子的一個文化應該是要作為文化部致力的目標而不是太衙門化\n雅文化就變成辦公嘛大家辦公他很多事情就覺得與我無關嘛是嗎那不然這事情是誰的責任誰來改善這些問題呢好就是這一個我簡單講我發現這一個1970年代的時候1970年的時候台灣的運營中位數是19.3歲2040年是52.4歲落差非常大\n1970年65歲上占人口2.9%2040年是30.1%那年齡的14歲以下1970年是39.72040年是10.2部長看了這是國發會的資料這不是我編的所以呢各位就是翻天覆地的改變\n我發現我們政府所有的部會都停留在1970年代的思維在制定政策那我要看看文化部是不是也這樣子所有的部會部都在歧視高齡者\n我們幾乎90%的預算都在衛福部其他的部會只要超過60歲叫做清廷點水而且那一部分小小的部分也是配合衛福部所以我剛才講為什麼60加以後何去何從基本上是被我們政府放棄的一群人我不曉得有沒有被文化部放棄所有的部會這個我在今天沒有時間談每一個部會我都溝通過了\n我們來等一下今天的重點基本上60歲以上現在台灣超過60歲有600萬人這600萬人我們的政府大概都是為60歲以前的社會來打拼一旦過60歲以後\n我要等一下問一下文化部委員會做了什麼事基本上就是一片荒漠沒有橋沒有路沒有水沒有電自己走過去自生自滅自求多福等到你倒下來以後給你長照這個基本上是我們現在的現況描述但現在有600萬人而且未來這些人會超過人口的一半到2050年這邊會佔人口的一半\n已經在眼前的我們的政府都完全視而不見為什麼會視而不見呢我問了每一個部會他說也不是我故意的比如說勞動部定是中高齡說那中高齡幾歲他說45歲我說45歲會不會太寒嘛出國念書回來都40歲工作幾年就準備輔導待退\n那說欸對齁但是這個不是我規定的阿他上面規定的後來問到我問到了陳建仁院長他說也不是他規定的那後來是什麼後來大家歸注的原因就是文化這就是我們的文化那文化部又說這不是我們的事那這是誰的事神仙的事齁我們看文化部文化部做什麼去年的預算高齡預算\n吳春城吳春城吳春城吳春城吳春城吳春城吳春城吳春城\n接下來﹗\n大概你到書局看的只要高零的都是這些書籍啦好接下來但是你看到好萊塢都已經發現現在的電影的主流都交給壯世代看的所以呢你看最近這幾年都很多的懷舊跟父妹創造了阿湯哥衝映來的最高就是最高的那個的票房\n這裡有大商機啦我們在座吳春城的蔡董事長有看到嘛對不對要往這裡啦不是全部都年輕人這邊倒了年輕人也沒有未來的啦好接下來所以呢這一個高齡美學我們有一個叫壯世代有一個叫壯時代壯風格希望文化部能夠創造壯時代壯風格高齡美學因為明年就進入超高齡社會了\n這文化部重中之重。我們要把引法族翻傳成為壯世代。那這個有很多完全不一樣。對引法族來講他就是養生養病養老。但是對我們來講他有美好的第三人生。會帶來對整個社會非常全面性的影響。\n我們用大數據可以看到如果你輸入的是銀髮高齡大概長出來的那個大數據銀土大概就是這些數據如果你輸入的壯世代是這樣子完全不同但是同一批人你有沒有去挖掘這些人事實上就叫做戰後嬰兒草戰後嬰兒草全部進入60歲了這一批人所構成包括部長你也是戰後嬰兒草\n為什麼大家都沒有在做,連我來自廣告界,廣告界不會做60歲以上的廣告\n只會那種啊,夠白酒啦,夠滾滾啦,然後大概就這些廣告而已其他全部不會做,為什麼?因為沒有這一些數據我們基本上把60歲以後當作準備把它放在儲藏室準備報銷的一群人這一群人未來會佔人口一半\n吳春城議員\n接下來\n我也跟部長告了我在立法院成立了壯士在政策及產業發展促進會63個立委跨黨派的立委加入200個位學者已經成為現在立法院最大的次團這個是不分黨派大家共同支持的所以希望文化部在這裡扮演的重中之重的角色那所以對因為你是真正懂的這一個懂的這一個而不是我們在這個雕塚小技武文弄墨\n另外最後一個我要提醒一下最近發生的事情因為部長在來我先跟你告一個狀最近那個文創館我去質詢他因為今年龍聯龍聯台灣的這一個\n做了這個創作品叫做叫做什麼阿龍啊吉祥物阿龍齁很總之後來抄襲了人家大陸的吃吃瓜龍然後然後呢被被這個檢舉之後台灣管還出來捍衛指我們是大陸抄襲台灣的後來我發文啊發文質詢之後當天他就道歉\n當天才向廠商道歉所以呢你看就是必須要立委這樣子去去後面的跟著的所以呢我也在這裡跟部長你告個狀我不曉得文化部底下有多少這種事情有多少這種事情你剛來的時候你應該要清查一下因為如果文化人心速不振\n希望這個部長加油\n謝謝你的指教好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.189 --> 00:26.237\n吳春城委員好有請部長好有請李部長部長部長好恭喜你也為文化部恭喜因為那個小野是一個真正的文化人\n\n00:28.099 --> 00:51.828\n重點不在於歷練有再多因為文化是一種靈魂一個民主的靈魂國家一個時代的靈魂那我覺得我們這幾年有點偏差了偏差了這一點只有技術沒有靈魂那我希望一個真正的文化人真正的一個懂得文化的人來接任部長\n\n00:52.808 --> 01:19.618\n那部長我講的話你剛才一開場第一個質詢的時候看你有點緊張不過這樣我第一天當立委很緊張但是我看你這樣子一路下來你的神情就越來越穩定所以呢然後呢所以我覺得你非常有把握對要走的路我對那我自己本身也是拿了\n\n01:23.119 --> 01:39.063\n4A廣告節的終身成就獎所以我想我應該也算是一個文化人所以希望未來能夠跟這個部長有更深入的對話而不只是浮光烈影談表面的東西這個\n\n01:44.161 --> 02:11.297\n因為部長知道我在談壯世代那為什麼談壯世代因為我研究趨勢的我想往前30年台灣最重要一件事情就叫民主化民主化走了30年現在還在炒民主化那我覺得有點落伍了啦現在往後看30年部長覺得最重要的事情是什麼還是民主化嗎\n\n02:13.274 --> 02:16.822\n因為這很重要喔你要知道我們國家往哪裡走\n\n02:18.428 --> 02:19.829\n臺灣未來30年最重要的是人口血的問題高齡化跟少子化\n\n02:49.215 --> 03:02.000\n剛才這一頁往前這一個新聞是民國44年有兩個女生在西門町逛街就被請到警察局那犯了什麼罪\n\n03:03.359 --> 03:04.400\n文化部等同文化部\n\n03:27.444 --> 03:46.569\n當然當然當然不是不是一個機構不是一個機構但是是不是文化是不是是文化部的責任是是文化部的責任沒有問題所以是廣泛的這樣子的一個文化應該是要作為文化部致力的目標而不是太衙門化\n\n03:49.910 --> 04:07.502\n雅文化就變成辦公嘛大家辦公他很多事情就覺得與我無關嘛是嗎那不然這事情是誰的責任誰來改善這些問題呢好就是這一個我簡單講我發現這一個1970年代的時候1970年的時候台灣的運營中位數是19.3歲2040年是52.4歲落差非常大\n\n04:18.110 --> 04:28.018\n1970年65歲上占人口2.9%2040年是30.1%那年齡的14歲以下1970年是39.72040年是10.2部長看了這是國發會的資料這不是我編的所以呢各位就是翻天覆地的改變\n\n04:45.552 --> 04:57.943\n我發現我們政府所有的部會都停留在1970年代的思維在制定政策那我要看看文化部是不是也這樣子所有的部會部都在歧視高齡者\n\n04:59.244 --> 05:24.645\n我們幾乎90%的預算都在衛福部其他的部會只要超過60歲叫做清廷點水而且那一部分小小的部分也是配合衛福部所以我剛才講為什麼60加以後何去何從基本上是被我們政府放棄的一群人我不曉得有沒有被文化部放棄所有的部會這個我在今天沒有時間談每一個部會我都溝通過了\n\n05:26.026 --> 05:31.449\n我們來等一下今天的重點基本上60歲以上現在台灣超過60歲有600萬人這600萬人我們的政府大概都是為60歲以前的社會來打拼一旦過60歲以後\n\n05:44.198 --> 06:10.204\n我要等一下問一下文化部委員會做了什麼事基本上就是一片荒漠沒有橋沒有路沒有水沒有電自己走過去自生自滅自求多福等到你倒下來以後給你長照這個基本上是我們現在的現況描述但現在有600萬人而且未來這些人會超過人口的一半到2050年這邊會佔人口的一半\n\n06:14.017 --> 06:35.283\n已經在眼前的我們的政府都完全視而不見為什麼會視而不見呢我問了每一個部會他說也不是我故意的比如說勞動部定是中高齡說那中高齡幾歲他說45歲我說45歲會不會太寒嘛出國念書回來都40歲工作幾年就準備輔導待退\n\n06:37.560 --> 07:02.039\n那說欸對齁但是這個不是我規定的阿他上面規定的後來問到我問到了陳建仁院長他說也不是他規定的那後來是什麼後來大家歸注的原因就是文化這就是我們的文化那文化部又說這不是我們的事那這是誰的事神仙的事齁我們看文化部文化部做什麼去年的預算高齡預算\n\n07:03.570 --> 07:07.973\n吳春城吳春城吳春城吳春城吳春城吳春城吳春城吳春城\n\n07:17.591 --> 07:17.771\n接下來﹗\n\n07:34.776 --> 07:57.125\n大概你到書局看的只要高零的都是這些書籍啦好接下來但是你看到好萊塢都已經發現現在的電影的主流都交給壯世代看的所以呢你看最近這幾年都很多的懷舊跟父妹創造了阿湯哥衝映來的最高就是最高的那個的票房\n\n07:58.685 --> 08:26.358\n這裡有大商機啦我們在座吳春城的蔡董事長有看到嘛對不對要往這裡啦不是全部都年輕人這邊倒了年輕人也沒有未來的啦好接下來所以呢這一個高齡美學我們有一個叫壯世代有一個叫壯時代壯風格希望文化部能夠創造壯時代壯風格高齡美學因為明年就進入超高齡社會了\n\n08:27.898 --> 08:45.323\n這文化部重中之重。我們要把引法族翻傳成為壯世代。那這個有很多完全不一樣。對引法族來講他就是養生養病養老。但是對我們來講他有美好的第三人生。會帶來對整個社會非常全面性的影響。\n\n08:46.903 --> 09:09.380\n我們用大數據可以看到如果你輸入的是銀髮高齡大概長出來的那個大數據銀土大概就是這些數據如果你輸入的壯世代是這樣子完全不同但是同一批人你有沒有去挖掘這些人事實上就叫做戰後嬰兒草戰後嬰兒草全部進入60歲了這一批人所構成包括部長你也是戰後嬰兒草\n\n09:10.681 --> 09:13.443\n為什麼大家都沒有在做,連我來自廣告界,廣告界不會做60歲以上的廣告\n\n09:34.793 --> 09:54.227\n只會那種啊,夠白酒啦,夠滾滾啦,然後大概就這些廣告而已其他全部不會做,為什麼?因為沒有這一些數據我們基本上把60歲以後當作準備把它放在儲藏室準備報銷的一群人這一群人未來會佔人口一半\n\n09:55.410 --> 09:55.490\n吳春城議員\n\n10:08.393 --> 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