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據上月初今周刊報導，全球最大「碳揭露計畫組織（CDP）」所做的企業減碳策略評鑑，我國有日月光投控、台達電、聯電及台塑拿到雙A級，其中台塑企業共有五家是雙A級、二家公司拿到A級，但是根據週刊揭露，即使是台塑集團這種減碳策略已通過CDP評鑑的資優生，也達不到十年42%減碳目標，他們認為10年20%、每年2%才是合理的目標值，並且減碳1%就應該給予優惠獎勵，換句話說我們訂了一個不可能的減碳目標，將無助於企業推動減碳，因此針對優惠碳費的削減目標值，應該再與業界溝通。請問部長同不同意？","議題二：爭取補助苗栗縣重大建設","部長，這十個案件（圖二），是苗栗縣爭取許久的廢棄物處理的重大計畫，尤其是第一項及第二項，分別是「苗栗縣一般廢棄物處理整體園區再生規劃及環境影響評估暨苗栗BOT焚化廠後續營運專案計畫補助計畫」需要5,500萬元，第二項「栗縣苗栗市垃圾衛生掩埋場整理整頓補助計畫」需要1億4,614萬元。","由於苗栗縣市財政困難地區，在這裡提出來，希望部長可以專案協助，給予補助。","（圖三）"],["委員盧縣一書面質詢：","請問：","新任環境部長彭啓明於5月21日在「環境部業務展望」記者會提出了上任三大重點政策：","(1)加速碳費法制作業，讓棍子、蘿蔔一起發揮作用。","(2)務實改善空氣品質，朝世界衛生組織（WHO）目標邁進。","(3)持續精進環評審查措施。","是否能具體說明環境部相關政策落實想法？"],["主席：現在作以下決定：報告及詢答完畢，委員質詢未及答復或請補充資料者，請相關機關於兩週內以書面答復，委員另要求期限者，從其所定。","本日會議到此結束，現在休息，星期四上午9點繼續開會。","休息（12時53分）"]],"agenda":{"page_end":382,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-26-17","speakers":["黃秀芳","蘇清泉","林月琴","陳菁徽","王正旭","涂權吉","王育敏","楊瓊瓔","鄭天財Sra 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00:01:59,654\n國際上大概是40幾到50左右那當然這個東西有些國家定了不見得達得到所以我一直想我一直也會跟很多人談到說其實我參加聯合國會議這麼多次其實也觀察到\n\n6\n00:02:00,575 --> 00:02:00,615\n國際的標準\n\n7\n00:02:18,379 --> 00:02:40,269\n而且部長還有一個問題就是當然每一個國家定的標準包括每一個他定的標準都不一定可以達到年份以什麼年為減碳的標準都不一樣對不對那其實我們定的也不一定就一定可以達到沒錯對不對沒錯所以\n\n8\n00:02:42,635 --> 00:02:56,846\n我提這個就是希望提醒部長我們已經算是跟聯合國市警的趴數已經算是相對低了我們務必要在2030打到\n\n9\n00:03:00,668 --> 00:03:27,045\n24加減1也好25到28也好就是盡可能的這個有關大氣的氣候變化所以這個可能在部長任內應該要努力去做那其實減少碳排有一個很重要的關鍵就是再生能源的發展\n\n10\n00:03:28,390 --> 00:03:35,355\n可是我們就是說國際能源總署建議假如說要在2050\n\n11\n00:03:37,501 --> 00:03:50,651\n當然部長剛剛講的本席是認同的就是說這是一個理想一個目標可是我們還是以2050來做論述假如說要在2050完成淨零碳排的話2030必須要有60%的電能是屬於再生能源\n\n12\n00:04:00,848 --> 00:04:27,376\n可是根據經濟部的能源署統計2023年就到去年臺灣不到10%的電力是再生能源發電所以這些資料都告訴我們其實臺灣要距離淨零碳排是還有很長的路要走因為綠能發展的部分可能以\n\n13\n00:04:28,496 --> 00:04:54,899\n以經濟部為主你這邊可能也只是配合那部長你對於上任以後近鄰碳排的中長期目標是什麼怎麼落實有什麼想法嗎?報告委員其實我們這個環境部在整個近鄰碳排有12項關鍵戰略裡面只有兩個一個是近鄰綠生活還有一個就是資源循環的部分那這個在裡面說真的是比較小\n\n14\n00:04:55,279 --> 00:05:22,707\n但是有一個責任卻是在我們身上我們必須要控管全球的我們全台灣的這個溫室氣體的減碳的這個目標所以這件事情委員可能給我壓力可是又是在各個部會所以我會積極的跟各個部會來協商尤其是我們下半年要訂2026到2030年真的管制目標所以說真的這個壓力蠻大的那這個都需要跨部會的一直不斷的跟各個部會來討論希望你可以靠一點這個的確是一個很艱鉅的任務\n\n15\n00:05:26,329 --> 00:05:49,429\n我覺得新內閣在於橫向的協調跟合作上真的是必須要做到很落實單看各個部會大概都是戰力都還夠可是橫向的溝通協調合作只要做得不好整體因為很少有單有一個事件\n\n16\n00:05:50,209 --> 00:06:10,666\n是單一部會,重大事件是單一部會自己做的。所以這個部長還是要...那部長剛剛講到近零轉型的12項關鍵戰略,那我就直接跳到這一題。就是我們有一個資源循環零廢棄\n\n17\n00:06:19,611 --> 00:06:46,947\n十二項戰略裡面有一項戰略那我就麻煩部長跟我們部裡面的同仁就我看到的資料長期以來一樣是離島線可是金門的資源回收率常常基於全國的前三名可是澎湖卻是後半端\n\n18\n00:06:48,397 --> 00:07:12,311\n這個能不能請部裡面跟縣府做一下溝通或者是做一下輔導來提高縣府的資源回收率這個牽扯到兩個大的呢他影響到我們我們淨零轉型那小的呢就是資源回收\n\n19\n00:07:13,396 --> 00:07:40,081\n在澎湖離島又比較特殊部長離島目前的垃圾都是運回來臺灣那個成本是很高的所以我說我提這個問題大會影響到淨零轉型小會影響到我們的預算支出這個能不能請部裡面跟\n\n20\n00:07:43,894 --> 00:07:54,405\n這個包委員其實我們過去在包含屏東的垃圾轉運回台這個部分我們環境部都有補助一年大概5000萬我知道我知道我現在不是講補助的部分就是資源回收回收率為什麼一樣是離島縣金門\n\n21\n00:07:59,875 --> 00:08:00,215\n我們請資源選手來協助輔導。\n\n22\n00:08:26,684 --> 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