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00:01:37,314\n想法跟建議你也可以聽聽看當然我覺得我們可以問一下這個儀隊要不要看他們對過去這段時間在儀隊操作我想他們可能沒有那麼多的時間去想我們討論的議題但是\n\n6\n00:01:40,137 --> 00:01:54,249\n如果不是移情委員問,我也沒有特別去注意到這裡面的儀隊,因為我們以前可能注意到國家,對不起那個國父監獄館,那或者是中央夜市,那就如同您講的,因為它在戶外空間的這段時間的一個\n\n7\n00:01:58,953 --> 00:01:59,173\n林倩綺議員\n\n8\n00:02:14,822 --> 00:02:15,023\n蘇珊珊\n\n9\n00:02:32,324 --> 00:02:32,824\n﹑林倩綺\n\n10\n00:02:53,915 --> 00:03:09,884\n所以我想在專業內容如果能夠有我們文化部的同仁一起來努力的話應該是會達到很不錯的一個成果那我也期待在文化部的一個定位上還有未來的事務推動上可以有一個推變\n\n11\n00:03:10,945 --> 00:03:23,391\n好,那也很感謝昨天那個徐次長代替您來這邊來跟我做一個這個拜會沒有機會跟他講到話那我在這邊有一些這個想法想跟您這邊做個溝通\n\n12\n00:03:25,407 --> 00:03:53,607\n剛才您在您的業務報告裡面不離會同仁確實是有做一個整理難怪他們真的跟你拍手我相信他們應該跟你有一些對話然後做了一些整理那把過往的一些業務確實依照您幾個點做了一些呃呈現那也比較可惜3跟4沒有機會講得太多那我一直很期待能夠再繼續聽但是您剛才講到的部分你很期待一個人的思想文化能夠被呈現\n\n13\n00:03:55,028 --> 00:04:20,316\n我相信每一個人都是一個靈魂的個體很多靈魂的個體他或許會造就一個時代會造就一些趨勢那如果文化部就像您所講的是一個藝術文化創作者的平台那我相信那應該是文化部未來非常好的一個定位所以我們在媒體上有看到在您這邊講對文化部未來的一個做法跟想法\n\n14\n00:04:20,996 --> 00:04:36,158\n那但是過去的文化部門都讓我們一直感覺到而且監察院這邊也有提到好像感覺是壟斷浪費然後戰地為王的小圈圈那在這幾年很多人的感覺啦都有一點像政治文化的一個\n\n15\n00:04:37,139 --> 00:04:57,871\n我不要說操作啦就是每個人都對自己成長經驗期待分享給別人但是如果分享的比較讓別人有壓力的話確實他也不是大家之福所以政治是眾人之事那兩個人或幾個人就會產生一些政治行為所以一群人可能就會影響到很多人的生活文化\n\n16\n00:04:58,411 --> 00:05:22,151\n所以我想我們的政治文化已經在這幾年陽明國際我想也不用多說了那我想剛才很多的委員在這邊執行我想政治文化不見得是你未來的一個重點就我們是藝術人的一個內容專業上我們都期待可以讓我們個體的靈魂有所展現那讓我有一點能夠自我發展的空間那我們也不要擠壓別人要跟我們\n\n17\n00:05:22,871 --> 00:05:22,971\n﹚林倩綺\n\n18\n00:06:16,727 --> 00:06:21,151\n我非常認同您這件事因為我曾經看過一部電影讓我嚇一跳就是說這是某個城市的電影節\n\n19\n00:06:39,088 --> 00:07:00,540\n然後我一進入到這個電影院應該是晚上7點然後出來的時候12點多然後我在看的時候我只覺得好像時間有一點點長但是我竟然坐在那裏面就把它看完了而出來發現啊清晨了那就是拉斯蒙提爾克Dogma95的一個經典的那個創作者那這部片子叫音樂風雲有機會希望能夠跟您在這邊再做個討論如果有機會的話那這個是content的部分\n\n20\n00:07:07,704 --> 00:07:35,942\n所以我也期待您未來不是只有我相信應該不會只是一個歌功頌德的主管我們期待您在未來有很多的作為這樣來講我們講各個年齡世代我剛才也有委員講到說我們希望在文化上有一些出口但是這個出口如果擠壓到不同的世代我想不管你是年輕人不管你是壯世代你都會希望吶喊所以不好意思好大聲\n\n21\n00:07:37,963 --> 00:08:02,610\n所以在這個部分期待您可以做到世代的一個交流而不是世代的對立剛才也有我這邊提到那尤志明的部分跟剛才很多您對外省人也有一些看法但是這個詞我或許不太認同但是我也有一些想法但是你的想法跟我還蠻接近的就時間上來講那來的時間上不一樣那選項上可能也有一些不同只是有一點有可能要\n\n22\n00:08:03,650 --> 00:08:15,496\n之後想要跟您請教或是您今天可以回應喔您都希望在歷史文化上能夠有一些更重視那我想請教一下那您的歷史文化包含了史前還是台灣的史前還是台灣的歷史\n\n23\n00:08:17,133 --> 00:08:37,162\n我的歷史觀非常簡單曾經發生在這個島上的所有東西都是我們的歷史而且不應該互相排斥好的謝謝那我相信在原住民的這個部分剛才好多個委員都這樣講了那我自我介紹一下我是國民黨部分區的委員林倩綺那麼我本身也具有原住民的血緣我是原住民阿美族的\n\n24\n00:08:37,842 --> 00:08:56,077\n好所以在幾件事情我這邊來跟您做一個建議然後也請部裡面一起做一個處理第一個文化奧運那上次次長這邊王次長這邊有回應我就是在文化奧運裡面有一些原住民的團體同樣的原住民的團體大家找了很多年輕的特殊的\n\n25\n00:09:13,548 --> 00:09:40,281\n第624我這邊幫剛才克森委員這邊講一下他剛才問您的這個部分是他說他沒有問您內容他要問您標案那在行政上那這個標案你們可能有一個標案可以去討論一下就是說在剛才我們談到很多限制性招標在藝術文化上常常用但是有一個標案也就是去處理大家的住宿跟旅遊我相信這個部分有很多人是可以做的但是這個你們也用限制性招標\n\n26\n00:09:41,201 --> 00:10:09,515\n第3個剛才聽到業務水下考古不好意思本人是你們剛開始做水下考古訓練的這個受訓的成員但是你們當時開出來的條件我也不知道文化界有幾個人可以有我是因為正好有這個潛水執照然後又在文化界有做事然後我就去參與這個活動然後受訓完之後才發現你們大概有兩個系統然後大概中國的你們用了一些因為很多沉船那我在學潛水的時候老師叫我勾最喜歡哪一項我就勾沉船的挖寶\n\n27\n00:10:10,996 --> 00:10:11,316\n剛才蘇巧衛委員這邊有提了齁\n\n28\n00:10:30,935 --> 00:10:36,478\n本席從民國90幾年就找到那一個區塊去當委員然後得到當新北市文化局長的時候還在講那一塊當時是大都會劇院到現在又變成兒童館了不管你們的地位是什麼可不可以把它做好了\n\n29\n00:10:51,127 --> 00:11:00,719\n然後再來呢那個校外教學的一個文化體驗那剛才您這邊布林葉也說希望在偏鄉的部分能夠去實踐那我這邊提醒原住民的55個原鄉請在比較首要的順位\n\n30\n00:11:06,886 --> 00:11:25,359\n好,那真的偏鄉啊,遠鄉,那當然是部裡面可能要注意一下什麼台南的南西啊,或者是嘉義的那個內湖啊,這些真的是很遠的,聽起來雖然現在很多地方都叫做市或縣,但是這確實是大家在,我們在這個文化體驗上我很期待能夠好好的排好。\n\n31\n00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:53,610\n那這個族群文化的這個部分剛才您的回應也很好那我只請您在史前跟歷史的部分做一個確認那本席因為經常去走動就跟你一樣那個很高興你也是千里步道的這個發起人本席也實在是在國外走了幾千里那正好之前在院的一個諮詢上我也提出了台灣長步道的一個政策那我想我們很可以來對這個部分就這個部分來好好的有一些對話\n\n32\n00:11:55,090 --> 00:12:16,405\n最後呢我想我們的政治文化可以引起我們很多的思考那剛才這個有些委員也提到那大家都用非常簡單的這個講法說對立啊什麼一堆這種很簡單的這個詞語但是呢就像1%的人影響了很大一部分的文化所以我最後一句話就是每個人都是獨特的個體擁有獨特的靈魂\n\n33\n00:12:18,827 --> 00:12:47,568\n我們做公共事務的是尊重每個人來用他不同的方式來表達但是我們不應該把別人抓進我們自己要表達的方式那他會成為另外一種狀況一句話就是不要用自卑來成就自信然後也不要用暴力來達到自利那最後我們用這個文化學者李益元的一個論述李益元不好意思李益元的學者往下最後一張\n\n34\n00:12:49,313 --> 00:13:09,183\n對,文化學者你沒有寫齁好,那沒有關係就是對自然的恐懼我們產生了物質文化對社會的恐懼對他人的恐懼我們產生了社會文化對自己的恐懼產生了精神文化那我相信我們的政治文化讓我們看到了這一些那我們在怕什麼有些東西留下來我們在怕什麼你可以接受很多人的詮釋是吧我們不一定只要用語言\n\n35\n00:13:18,965 --> 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Dogma95的一個經典的那個創作者那這部片子叫音樂風雲有機會希望能夠跟您在這邊再做個討論如果有機會的話那這個是content的部分\n427704\t455942\t所以我也期待您未來不是只有我相信應該不會只是一個歌功頌德的主管我們期待您在未來有很多的作為這樣來講我們講各個年齡世代我剛才也有委員講到說我們希望在文化上有一些出口但是這個出口如果擠壓到不同的世代我想不管你是年輕人不管你是壯世代你都會希望吶喊所以不好意思好大聲\n457963\t482610\t所以在這個部分期待您可以做到世代的一個交流而不是世代的對立剛才也有我這邊提到那尤志明的部分跟剛才很多您對外省人也有一些看法但是這個詞我或許不太認同但是我也有一些想法但是你的想法跟我還蠻接近的就時間上來講那來的時間上不一樣那選項上可能也有一些不同只是有一點有可能要\n483650\t495496\t之後想要跟您請教或是您今天可以回應喔您都希望在歷史文化上能夠有一些更重視那我想請教一下那您的歷史文化包含了史前還是台灣的史前還是台灣的歷史\n497133\t517162\t我的歷史觀非常簡單曾經發生在這個島上的所有東西都是我們的歷史而且不應該互相排斥好的 謝謝那我相信在原住民的這個部分剛才好多個委員都這樣講了那我自我介紹一下我是國民黨部分區的委員林倩綺那麼我本身也具有原住民的血緣我是原住民阿美族的\n517842\t536077\t好所以在幾件事情我這邊來跟您做一個建議然後也請部裡面一起做一個處理第一個文化奧運那上次次長這邊王次長這邊有回應我就是在文化奧運裡面有一些原住民的團體同樣的原住民的團體大家找了很多年輕的特殊的\n536698\t553268\t﹗﹗\n553548\t580281\t第624我這邊幫剛才克森委員這邊講一下他剛才問您的這個部分是他說他沒有問您內容他要問您標案那在行政上那這個標案你們可能有一個標案可以去討論一下就是說在剛才我們談到很多限制性招標在藝術文化上常常用但是有一個標案也就是去處理大家的住宿跟旅遊我相信這個部分有很多人是可以做的但是這個你們也用限制性招標\n581201\t609515\t第3個剛才聽到業務水下考古不好意思本人是你們剛開始做水下考古訓練的這個受訓的成員但是你們當時開出來的條件我也不知道文化界有幾個人可以有我是因為正好有這個潛水執照然後又在文化界有做事然後我就去參與這個活動然後受訓完之後才發現你們大概有兩個系統然後大概中國的你們用了一些因為很多沉船那我在學潛水的時候老師叫我勾最喜歡哪一項我就勾沉船的挖寶\n610996\t611316\t剛才蘇巧衛委員這邊有提了齁\n630935\t636478\t本席從民國90幾年就找到那一個區塊去當委員然後得到當新北市文化局長的時候還在講那一塊當時是大都會劇院到現在又變成兒童館了不管你們的地位是什麼可不可以把它做好了\n651127\t660719\t然後再來呢那個校外教學的一個文化體驗那剛才您這邊布林葉也說希望在偏鄉的部分能夠去實踐那我這邊提醒原住民的55個原鄉請在比較首要的順位\n666886\t685359\t好,那真的偏鄉啊,遠鄉,那當然是部裡面可能要注意一下什麼台南的南西啊,或者是嘉義的那個內湖啊,這些真的是很遠的,聽起來雖然現在很多地方都叫做市或縣,但是這確實是大家在,我們在這個文化體驗上我很期待能夠好好的排好。\n686400\t713610\t那這個族群文化的這個部分剛才您的回應也很好那我只請您在史前跟歷史的部分做一個確認那本席因為經常去走動就跟你一樣那個很高興你也是千里步道的這個發起人本席也實在是在國外走了幾千里那正好之前在院的一個諮詢上我也提出了台灣長步道的一個政策那我想我們很可以來對這個部分就這個部分來好好的有一些對話\n715090\t736405\t最後呢我想我們的政治文化可以引起我們很多的思考那剛才這個有些委員也提到那大家都用非常簡單的這個講法說對立啊什麼一堆這種很簡單的這個詞語但是呢就像1%的人影響了很大一部分的文化所以我最後一句話就是每個人都是獨特的個體擁有獨特的靈魂\n738827\t767568\t我們做公共事務的是尊重每個人來用他不同的方式來表達但是我們不應該把別人抓進我們自己要表達的方式那他會成為另外一種狀況一句話就是不要用自卑來成就自信然後也不要用暴力來達到自利那最後我們用這個文化學者李益元的一個論述李益元不好意思李益元的學者往下最後一張\n769313\t789183\t對,文化學者你沒有寫齁好,那沒有關係就是對自然的恐懼我們產生了物質文化對社會的恐懼對他人的恐懼我們產生了社會文化對自己的恐懼產生了精神文化那我相信我們的政治文化讓我們看到了這一些那我們在怕什麼有些東西留下來我們在怕什麼你可以接受很多人的詮釋是吧我們不一定只要用語言\n798965\t804453\tfor最低道德標準的法律來談所有的文化現象謝謝部長我用阿美族一句話加油\n","txt":"謝謝張偉我們就有請李部長小野部長好有請部長部長首先我想給你拍拍手謝謝謝謝\n早上我聽到本黨的立委同仁有跟部長的對話有一件事我非常的感動我們也知道在許多的藝術項目裡面如果能夠從這個藝術的本質裡面得到感動我想是一件很真實的事情早上我們也有立委同仁這邊跟您提到有關中正紀念堂當然很多件事但是談到儀隊的這個部分\n您這邊的一個講法回應我覺得對這件事情非常的感動你說他們是這樣被挪進挪出的從以他們為主體的考量確實好像是一種功能化的操作\n這個部分我很感謝你有這樣一個思考不過這個應該是我們議員提到的這樣一個想法我也突然間有了一個\n想法跟建議你也可以聽聽看當然我覺得我們可以問一下這個儀隊要不要看他們對過去這段時間在儀隊操作我想他們可能沒有那麼多的時間去想我們討論的議題但是\n如果不是移情委員問,我也沒有特別去注意到這裡面的儀隊,因為我們以前可能注意到國家,對不起那個國父監獄館,那或者是中央夜市,那就如同您講的,因為它在戶外空間的這段時間的一個\n林倩綺議員\n蘇珊珊\n﹑林倩綺\n所以我想在專業內容如果能夠有我們文化部的同仁一起來努力的話應該是會達到很不錯的一個成果那我也期待在文化部的一個定位上還有未來的事務推動上可以有一個推變\n好,那也很感謝昨天那個徐次長代替您來這邊來跟我做一個這個拜會沒有機會跟他講到話那我在這邊有一些這個想法想跟您這邊做個溝通\n剛才您在您的業務報告裡面不離會同仁確實是有做一個整理難怪他們真的跟你拍手我相信他們應該跟你有一些對話然後做了一些整理那把過往的一些業務確實依照您幾個點做了一些呃呈現那也比較可惜3跟4沒有機會講得太多那我一直很期待能夠再繼續聽但是您剛才講到的部分你很期待一個人的思想文化能夠被呈現\n我相信每一個人都是一個靈魂的個體很多靈魂的個體他或許會造就一個時代會造就一些趨勢那如果文化部就像您所講的是一個藝術文化創作者的平台那我相信那應該是文化部未來非常好的一個定位所以我們在媒體上有看到在您這邊講對文化部未來的一個做法跟想法\n那但是過去的文化部門都讓我們一直感覺到而且監察院這邊也有提到好像感覺是壟斷浪費然後戰地為王的小圈圈那在這幾年很多人的感覺啦都有一點像政治文化的一個\n我不要說操作啦就是每個人都對自己成長經驗期待分享給別人但是如果分享的比較讓別人有壓力的話確實他也不是大家之福所以政治是眾人之事那兩個人或幾個人就會產生一些政治行為所以一群人可能就會影響到很多人的生活文化\n所以我想我們的政治文化已經在這幾年陽明國際我想也不用多說了那我想剛才很多的委員在這邊執行我想政治文化不見得是你未來的一個重點就我們是藝術人的一個內容專業上我們都期待可以讓我們個體的靈魂有所展現那讓我有一點能夠自我發展的空間那我們也不要擠壓別人要跟我們\n﹚林倩綺\n藝術藝術藝術藝術藝術藝術藝術藝術藝術藝術藝術藝術藝術藝術藝術藝術藝術藝術藝術\n我非常認同您這件事因為我曾經看過一部電影讓我嚇一跳就是說這是某個城市的電影節\n然後我一進入到這個電影院應該是晚上7點然後出來的時候12點多然後我在看的時候我只覺得好像時間有一點點長但是我竟然坐在那裏面就把它看完了而出來發現啊清晨了那就是拉斯蒙提爾克 Dogma95的一個經典的那個創作者那這部片子叫音樂風雲有機會希望能夠跟您在這邊再做個討論如果有機會的話那這個是content的部分\n所以我也期待您未來不是只有我相信應該不會只是一個歌功頌德的主管我們期待您在未來有很多的作為這樣來講我們講各個年齡世代我剛才也有委員講到說我們希望在文化上有一些出口但是這個出口如果擠壓到不同的世代我想不管你是年輕人不管你是壯世代你都會希望吶喊所以不好意思好大聲\n所以在這個部分期待您可以做到世代的一個交流而不是世代的對立剛才也有我這邊提到那尤志明的部分跟剛才很多您對外省人也有一些看法但是這個詞我或許不太認同但是我也有一些想法但是你的想法跟我還蠻接近的就時間上來講那來的時間上不一樣那選項上可能也有一些不同只是有一點有可能要\n之後想要跟您請教或是您今天可以回應喔您都希望在歷史文化上能夠有一些更重視那我想請教一下那您的歷史文化包含了史前還是台灣的史前還是台灣的歷史\n我的歷史觀非常簡單曾經發生在這個島上的所有東西都是我們的歷史而且不應該互相排斥好的 謝謝那我相信在原住民的這個部分剛才好多個委員都這樣講了那我自我介紹一下我是國民黨部分區的委員林倩綺那麼我本身也具有原住民的血緣我是原住民阿美族的\n好所以在幾件事情我這邊來跟您做一個建議然後也請部裡面一起做一個處理第一個文化奧運那上次次長這邊王次長這邊有回應我就是在文化奧運裡面有一些原住民的團體同樣的原住民的團體大家找了很多年輕的特殊的\n﹗﹗\n第624我這邊幫剛才克森委員這邊講一下他剛才問您的這個部分是他說他沒有問您內容他要問您標案那在行政上那這個標案你們可能有一個標案可以去討論一下就是說在剛才我們談到很多限制性招標在藝術文化上常常用但是有一個標案也就是去處理大家的住宿跟旅遊我相信這個部分有很多人是可以做的但是這個你們也用限制性招標\n第3個剛才聽到業務水下考古不好意思本人是你們剛開始做水下考古訓練的這個受訓的成員但是你們當時開出來的條件我也不知道文化界有幾個人可以有我是因為正好有這個潛水執照然後又在文化界有做事然後我就去參與這個活動然後受訓完之後才發現你們大概有兩個系統然後大概中國的你們用了一些因為很多沉船那我在學潛水的時候老師叫我勾最喜歡哪一項我就勾沉船的挖寶\n剛才蘇巧衛委員這邊有提了齁\n本席從民國90幾年就找到那一個區塊去當委員然後得到當新北市文化局長的時候還在講那一塊當時是大都會劇院到現在又變成兒童館了不管你們的地位是什麼可不可以把它做好了\n然後再來呢那個校外教學的一個文化體驗那剛才您這邊布林葉也說希望在偏鄉的部分能夠去實踐那我這邊提醒原住民的55個原鄉請在比較首要的順位\n好,那真的偏鄉啊,遠鄉,那當然是部裡面可能要注意一下什麼台南的南西啊,或者是嘉義的那個內湖啊,這些真的是很遠的,聽起來雖然現在很多地方都叫做市或縣,但是這確實是大家在,我們在這個文化體驗上我很期待能夠好好的排好。\n那這個族群文化的這個部分剛才您的回應也很好那我只請您在史前跟歷史的部分做一個確認那本席因為經常去走動就跟你一樣那個很高興你也是千里步道的這個發起人本席也實在是在國外走了幾千里那正好之前在院的一個諮詢上我也提出了台灣長步道的一個政策那我想我們很可以來對這個部分就這個部分來好好的有一些對話\n最後呢我想我們的政治文化可以引起我們很多的思考那剛才這個有些委員也提到那大家都用非常簡單的這個講法說對立啊什麼一堆這種很簡單的這個詞語但是呢就像1%的人影響了很大一部分的文化所以我最後一句話就是每個人都是獨特的個體擁有獨特的靈魂\n我們做公共事務的是尊重每個人來用他不同的方式來表達但是我們不應該把別人抓進我們自己要表達的方式那他會成為另外一種狀況一句話就是不要用自卑來成就自信然後也不要用暴力來達到自利那最後我們用這個文化學者李益元的一個論述李益元不好意思李益元的學者往下最後一張\n對,文化學者你沒有寫齁好,那沒有關係就是對自然的恐懼我們產生了物質文化對社會的恐懼對他人的恐懼我們產生了社會文化對自己的恐懼產生了精神文化那我相信我們的政治文化讓我們看到了這一些那我們在怕什麼有些東西留下來我們在怕什麼你可以接受很多人的詮釋是吧我們不一定只要用語言\nfor最低道德標準的法律來談所有的文化現象謝謝部長我用阿美族一句話加油\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.206 --> 00:14.727\n謝謝張偉我們就有請李部長小野部長好有請部長部長首先我想給你拍拍手謝謝謝謝\n\n00:24.552 --> 00:50.307\n早上我聽到本黨的立委同仁有跟部長的對話有一件事我非常的感動我們也知道在許多的藝術項目裡面如果能夠從這個藝術的本質裡面得到感動我想是一件很真實的事情早上我們也有立委同仁這邊跟您提到有關中正紀念堂當然很多件事但是談到儀隊的這個部分\n\n00:52.389 --> 01:08.369\n您這邊的一個講法回應我覺得對這件事情非常的感動你說他們是這樣被挪進挪出的從以他們為主體的考量確實好像是一種功能化的操作\n\n01:09.951 --> 01:21.738\n這個部分我很感謝你有這樣一個思考不過這個應該是我們議員提到的這樣一個想法我也突然間有了一個\n\n01:24.099 --> 01:37.314\n想法跟建議你也可以聽聽看當然我覺得我們可以問一下這個儀隊要不要看他們對過去這段時間在儀隊操作我想他們可能沒有那麼多的時間去想我們討論的議題但是\n\n01:40.137 --> 01:54.249\n如果不是移情委員問,我也沒有特別去注意到這裡面的儀隊,因為我們以前可能注意到國家,對不起那個國父監獄館,那或者是中央夜市,那就如同您講的,因為它在戶外空間的這段時間的一個\n\n01:58.953 --> 01:59.173\n林倩綺議員\n\n02:14.822 --> 02:15.023\n蘇珊珊\n\n02:32.324 --> 02:32.824\n﹑林倩綺\n\n02:53.915 --> 03:09.884\n所以我想在專業內容如果能夠有我們文化部的同仁一起來努力的話應該是會達到很不錯的一個成果那我也期待在文化部的一個定位上還有未來的事務推動上可以有一個推變\n\n03:10.945 --> 03:23.391\n好,那也很感謝昨天那個徐次長代替您來這邊來跟我做一個這個拜會沒有機會跟他講到話那我在這邊有一些這個想法想跟您這邊做個溝通\n\n03:25.407 --> 03:53.607\n剛才您在您的業務報告裡面不離會同仁確實是有做一個整理難怪他們真的跟你拍手我相信他們應該跟你有一些對話然後做了一些整理那把過往的一些業務確實依照您幾個點做了一些呃呈現那也比較可惜3跟4沒有機會講得太多那我一直很期待能夠再繼續聽但是您剛才講到的部分你很期待一個人的思想文化能夠被呈現\n\n03:55.028 --> 04:20.316\n我相信每一個人都是一個靈魂的個體很多靈魂的個體他或許會造就一個時代會造就一些趨勢那如果文化部就像您所講的是一個藝術文化創作者的平台那我相信那應該是文化部未來非常好的一個定位所以我們在媒體上有看到在您這邊講對文化部未來的一個做法跟想法\n\n04:20.996 --> 04:36.158\n那但是過去的文化部門都讓我們一直感覺到而且監察院這邊也有提到好像感覺是壟斷浪費然後戰地為王的小圈圈那在這幾年很多人的感覺啦都有一點像政治文化的一個\n\n04:37.139 --> 04:57.871\n我不要說操作啦就是每個人都對自己成長經驗期待分享給別人但是如果分享的比較讓別人有壓力的話確實他也不是大家之福所以政治是眾人之事那兩個人或幾個人就會產生一些政治行為所以一群人可能就會影響到很多人的生活文化\n\n04:58.411 --> 05:22.151\n所以我想我們的政治文化已經在這幾年陽明國際我想也不用多說了那我想剛才很多的委員在這邊執行我想政治文化不見得是你未來的一個重點就我們是藝術人的一個內容專業上我們都期待可以讓我們個體的靈魂有所展現那讓我有一點能夠自我發展的空間那我們也不要擠壓別人要跟我們\n\n05:22.871 --> 05:22.971\n﹚林倩綺\n\n06:16.727 --> 06:21.151\n我非常認同您這件事因為我曾經看過一部電影讓我嚇一跳就是說這是某個城市的電影節\n\n06:39.088 --> 07:00.540\n然後我一進入到這個電影院應該是晚上7點然後出來的時候12點多然後我在看的時候我只覺得好像時間有一點點長但是我竟然坐在那裏面就把它看完了而出來發現啊清晨了那就是拉斯蒙提爾克Dogma95的一個經典的那個創作者那這部片子叫音樂風雲有機會希望能夠跟您在這邊再做個討論如果有機會的話那這個是content的部分\n\n07:07.704 --> 07:35.942\n所以我也期待您未來不是只有我相信應該不會只是一個歌功頌德的主管我們期待您在未來有很多的作為這樣來講我們講各個年齡世代我剛才也有委員講到說我們希望在文化上有一些出口但是這個出口如果擠壓到不同的世代我想不管你是年輕人不管你是壯世代你都會希望吶喊所以不好意思好大聲\n\n07:37.963 --> 08:02.610\n所以在這個部分期待您可以做到世代的一個交流而不是世代的對立剛才也有我這邊提到那尤志明的部分跟剛才很多您對外省人也有一些看法但是這個詞我或許不太認同但是我也有一些想法但是你的想法跟我還蠻接近的就時間上來講那來的時間上不一樣那選項上可能也有一些不同只是有一點有可能要\n\n08:03.650 --> 08:15.496\n之後想要跟您請教或是您今天可以回應喔您都希望在歷史文化上能夠有一些更重視那我想請教一下那您的歷史文化包含了史前還是台灣的史前還是台灣的歷史\n\n08:17.133 --> 08:37.162\n我的歷史觀非常簡單曾經發生在這個島上的所有東西都是我們的歷史而且不應該互相排斥好的謝謝那我相信在原住民的這個部分剛才好多個委員都這樣講了那我自我介紹一下我是國民黨部分區的委員林倩綺那麼我本身也具有原住民的血緣我是原住民阿美族的\n\n08:37.842 --> 08:56.077\n好所以在幾件事情我這邊來跟您做一個建議然後也請部裡面一起做一個處理第一個文化奧運那上次次長這邊王次長這邊有回應我就是在文化奧運裡面有一些原住民的團體同樣的原住民的團體大家找了很多年輕的特殊的\n\n09:13.548 --> 09:40.281\n第624我這邊幫剛才克森委員這邊講一下他剛才問您的這個部分是他說他沒有問您內容他要問您標案那在行政上那這個標案你們可能有一個標案可以去討論一下就是說在剛才我們談到很多限制性招標在藝術文化上常常用但是有一個標案也就是去處理大家的住宿跟旅遊我相信這個部分有很多人是可以做的但是這個你們也用限制性招標\n\n09:41.201 --> 10:09.515\n第3個剛才聽到業務水下考古不好意思本人是你們剛開始做水下考古訓練的這個受訓的成員但是你們當時開出來的條件我也不知道文化界有幾個人可以有我是因為正好有這個潛水執照然後又在文化界有做事然後我就去參與這個活動然後受訓完之後才發現你們大概有兩個系統然後大概中國的你們用了一些因為很多沉船那我在學潛水的時候老師叫我勾最喜歡哪一項我就勾沉船的挖寶\n\n10:10.996 --> 10:11.316\n剛才蘇巧衛委員這邊有提了齁\n\n10:30.935 --> 10:36.478\n本席從民國90幾年就找到那一個區塊去當委員然後得到當新北市文化局長的時候還在講那一塊當時是大都會劇院到現在又變成兒童館了不管你們的地位是什麼可不可以把它做好了\n\n10:51.127 --> 11:00.719\n然後再來呢那個校外教學的一個文化體驗那剛才您這邊布林葉也說希望在偏鄉的部分能夠去實踐那我這邊提醒原住民的55個原鄉請在比較首要的順位\n\n11:06.886 --> 11:25.359\n好,那真的偏鄉啊,遠鄉,那當然是部裡面可能要注意一下什麼台南的南西啊,或者是嘉義的那個內湖啊,這些真的是很遠的,聽起來雖然現在很多地方都叫做市或縣,但是這確實是大家在,我們在這個文化體驗上我很期待能夠好好的排好。\n\n11:26.400 --> 11:53.610\n那這個族群文化的這個部分剛才您的回應也很好那我只請您在史前跟歷史的部分做一個確認那本席因為經常去走動就跟你一樣那個很高興你也是千里步道的這個發起人本席也實在是在國外走了幾千里那正好之前在院的一個諮詢上我也提出了台灣長步道的一個政策那我想我們很可以來對這個部分就這個部分來好好的有一些對話\n\n11:55.090 --> 12:16.405\n最後呢我想我們的政治文化可以引起我們很多的思考那剛才這個有些委員也提到那大家都用非常簡單的這個講法說對立啊什麼一堆這種很簡單的這個詞語但是呢就像1%的人影響了很大一部分的文化所以我最後一句話就是每個人都是獨特的個體擁有獨特的靈魂\n\n12:18.827 --> 12:47.568\n我們做公共事務的是尊重每個人來用他不同的方式來表達但是我們不應該把別人抓進我們自己要表達的方式那他會成為另外一種狀況一句話就是不要用自卑來成就自信然後也不要用暴力來達到自利那最後我們用這個文化學者李益元的一個論述李益元不好意思李益元的學者往下最後一張\n\n12:49.313 --> 13:09.183\n對,文化學者你沒有寫齁好,那沒有關係就是對自然的恐懼我們產生了物質文化對社會的恐懼對他人的恐懼我們產生了社會文化對自己的恐懼產生了精神文化那我相信我們的政治文化讓我們看到了這一些那我們在怕什麼有些東西留下來我們在怕什麼你可以接受很多人的詮釋是吧我們不一定只要用語言\n\n13:18.965 --> 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Dogma95的一個經典的那個創作者那這部片子叫音樂風雲有機會希望能夠跟您在這邊再做個討論如果有機會的話那這個是content的部分"},{"start":427.704,"end":455.942,"text":"所以我也期待您未來不是只有我相信應該不會只是一個歌功頌德的主管我們期待您在未來有很多的作為這樣來講我們講各個年齡世代我剛才也有委員講到說我們希望在文化上有一些出口但是這個出口如果擠壓到不同的世代我想不管你是年輕人不管你是壯世代你都會希望吶喊所以不好意思好大聲"},{"start":457.963,"end":482.61,"text":"所以在這個部分期待您可以做到世代的一個交流而不是世代的對立剛才也有我這邊提到那尤志明的部分跟剛才很多您對外省人也有一些看法但是這個詞我或許不太認同但是我也有一些想法但是你的想法跟我還蠻接近的就時間上來講那來的時間上不一樣那選項上可能也有一些不同只是有一點有可能要"},{"start":483.65,"end":495.496,"text":"之後想要跟您請教或是您今天可以回應喔您都希望在歷史文化上能夠有一些更重視那我想請教一下那您的歷史文化包含了史前還是台灣的史前還是台灣的歷史"},{"start":497.133,"end":517.162,"text":"我的歷史觀非常簡單曾經發生在這個島上的所有東西都是我們的歷史而且不應該互相排斥好的 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