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Eats跟foodpanda的結合，顯著地將會改變市場的結構，因此我們審查的重點會從市場集中度、結合後併購方訂價能力、合併案協同效果、市場效益等四大面向來審查。簡單說，我們會去觀察結合以後的市場集中度，因為競爭對手減少了，併購方是不是因此有提高價格的能力；第二個就是市場上因為競爭對手變少了，是不是有可能產生聯合行為發生的風險；再來是交易相對人，譬如說餐廳、外送員或者是消費者，議價能力是不是受到影響？以及潛在的競爭者是不是容易參進這個市場？這都是我們考慮的面向。我們在審查的過程當中會徵詢利害關係人的意見，包括餐廳、外送員、消費者以及相關主管機關，包括消保會、勞動部等等，我們也會召開公聽會或座談會徵詢各界的意見，最後我們再綜合評估整個結合案的整體經濟利益是否大於限制競爭的不利益，再做出准駁的決定。","外送經濟已經深入我們全民的生活，這個結合案影響深遠，我們會審慎地做出決定，確保維護自由與公平的競爭，這是關於外送平台結合案所做的報告。","接下來報告邱志偉委員等16位委員，以及楊瓊瓔委員等24位委員所提的「多層次傳銷管理法第十三條條文修正案」，說明如下：","首先是邱委員等16人，以及楊委員等24人所提的修正案都是針對多層次傳銷管理法第十三條的修正意見，而且修正的內容是相同的，主要都是要增加多層次傳銷事業跟傳銷商締結參加契約的時候可以用電子文件為之。我先說明一下現行條文的規定，現行條文的規定是，傳銷事業跟傳銷商在簽訂參加契約的時候要用書面，不可以用電子方式為之。當時為什麼要這麼規定？因為傳銷商跟傳銷事業之間的權利義務關係用書面締結，以白紙黑字寫清楚，可以讓雙方對權利義務關係很清楚，而且能夠讓傳銷商確實地瞭解，因此現行規定是說要有書面契約，而且要交付契約的正本，不可以用電子方式進行。但是現在科技發展，民眾已經能夠接受電子契約，而且相當普及，加上電子化符合無紙化的趨勢，所以委員等所提的草案版本，規定傳銷事業跟傳銷商的參加契約可以用電子文件為之，本會敬表支持。以上簡單報告，敬請指教！"],["主席：謝謝公平會主委的報告。行政院消費者保護處以及數發部的書面報告請委員自行參酌，並刊登公報。"],["行政院消費者保護處書面資料：","「外送平台併購是否涉及限制競爭之調查程序、認定原則及對消費者權益影響之配套措施」專題報告","主席、各位委員大家好：","今天承貴委員會邀請就「外送平台併購是否涉及限制競爭之調查程序、認定原則及對消費者權益影響之配套措施」提出專題報告，謹報告如下。敬請各位委員不吝指教。","壹、外送平台業者合併對消費者權益之影響","據113年5月14日媒體報載，業者Uber宣布將以9.5億美元併購Delivery 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One則無。","未來如果合併，原先兩家會員所享之權益可否存續，對消費者權益影響重大。","三、合作店家成本提高恐將轉嫁消費者：","合併後，業者對於合作店家所收取之上架費、交易抽成、平台使用費等費用如上漲，如此一來，店家支出成本提高，亦可能會將商品價格轉嫁至消費者。","貳、本處採取保護消費者之措施：","鑒於前述對消費者權益可能產生之影響，本處採取以下措施：","一、參與公平交易委員會（下稱公平會）就結合案召開之相關會議，並提出意見：","依「公平交易法」第11條第10項規定，主管機關就事業結合之申報，得徵詢外界意見。另依「公平交易委員會對於結合申報案件之處理原則」第13點，具有顯著限制競爭疑慮之結合申報案件，申報事業得提出經濟效率、消費者利益、其他有關整體經濟利益之具體成效等整體經濟利益之考量因素供公平會審酌。基此，本處將於公平會召開結合案相關會議時，就保障消費者權益之立場提出相關意見。","二、持續關注外送平台衍生之消費爭議並協助處理：","觀察113年1月至4月外送平台業者Uber Eats及foodpanda主要消費爭議態樣，以餐點或商品問題為主（32%），另有平台退費（24%）、平台系統（16%）、會員權益（10%）等問題。本處除於結合案審查期間密切注意是否有因本案而生之消費爭議外，亦會持續關注外送平台相關消費爭議，並請地方政府消費者保護官依消費者保護法第43條積極協處，保障消費者權益。","參、結語","本案因涉及結合申報案件之審查，本處尊重公平會委員會議之決定，惟將本於消費者權益保障之立場提出相關意見，及持續關注消費爭議情形，並協助處理，以維護消費者權益。以上報告，敬祈各位委員指教，謝謝！"],["數位發展部書面資料：","審查「多層次傳銷管理法第十三條條文修正草案」書面報告","主席、各位委員及與會嘉賓：","今天應邀列席委員會，數位發展部（以下簡稱數發部）針對審查「多層次傳銷管理法第十三條條文修正草案」，謹就涉及本部業務部分向各位報告：","近期本部推動電子簽章法修法，該草案業於本（113）年2月29日經行政院會通過，並函請立法院審議，業於4月15日經交通委員會審議完竣，續於4月30日經立法院三讀通過，並於5月15日由總統公告施行，期透過完備電子簽章相關規範打造數位信任的重要基礎。","電子簽章法修法明定電子文件、電子簽章與實體文件、實體簽章具同等功能，不得僅因其電子形式而否認其法律效力；又明定數位簽章為電子簽章的一種類型，使電子簽章與數位簽章關係明確化；再明定數位簽章需具備政府許可憑證機構所簽發的憑證，在法律上具有「推定」為本人親自簽名或蓋章的效力。","針對本次審查「多層次傳銷管理法第十三條條文修正草案」，其中委員邱志偉、伍麗華Saidhai 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