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00:01:50,759\n算是滿意啦算是滿意那我們來看看數據來說話一下好不好你們過去花了非常多的時間在不同的計劃方案上面可是呢我不用一一條列這個數字不同的方案但是你會發現一個共同的公約數就是呢逐年年次的申請的人數是逐年下降的那這樣一個逐年下降來說的話主委為什麼會造成這樣一個結果\n\n6\n00:01:55,040 --> 00:02:14,757\n您說經費變多了但是申請的人數案件反而變少了您覺得這最大的原因是什麼?不瞞主委說其實我們整個高等教育的人力包含教授人數跟學生人數其實是在下降當中這一點其實是\n\n7\n00:02:15,928 --> 00:02:28,358\n你認為因為人數下降的關係所以他們投注在你們所花最多的半導體的人才上面可能因為這樣就讓人才的申請案就會慢慢下降嗎?這是一個原因是人數下降那就是人才的問題了我們再看往下來看一下主委員你不要緊張這個絕對比你這個還要那個\n\n8\n00:02:36,764 --> 00:02:53,915\n同樣身為大學老師我會對你客氣一點特別是你是第一個面對的是我投的球那你會看得到這些歷年的這個國家的這個申請的經費還是請主委看一下我們基礎的研究我說實在的跟其他國家比較起來是非常的低落的我們大概就只比中國大陸來的多一點點\n\n9\n00:03:14,547 --> 00:03:28,176\n謝謝委員指教這一點我是認同就是過去我們的科研的投入的這個經費即使跟先進國家比起來是那你有沒有其他積極性的一個做法我們現在\n\n10\n00:03:30,253 --> 00:03:47,645\n其實在前政委吳正宗的支持已經有擴充了我們的科技預算對,但是你的科技預算未來會持續在增加你就提到了你們擴大的科技預算但是還是一句話\n\n11\n00:03:48,365 --> 00:03:53,406\n你們申請的件數還有包括的這個人數我來給你看一個數據啊競差連的申請的這個件數啊少了1333件你核定少了625件所以你們不斷的告訴我們你們的確是非常的重視這樣的一個產業啊但是呢也給了一些的錢但是呢從數據來看的話顯然沒有達到很大的一個效果而且我特別的強調如果你沒有基礎研究這個半導體的話啊\n\n12\n00:04:15,973 --> 00:04:19,616\n我覺得脈總統所謂的要信賴這個產業我個人覺得是畫上一個非常大的一個問號的我們再來看一下我們來看一下下一頁這就是為什麼我特別提到的因為呢上一次我們在這裡的時候你們李敏崇副主委他特別坦誠因為國家投入基礎研究的預算太低\n\n13\n00:05:03,795 --> 00:05:23,371\n主委你也在學校待過嘛每個人都說你只要學校框上一個AI的名號就有辦法申請比較多的一個經費你看看嘛加了一個人工智慧加上一個電腦科學跟人工智慧加上什麼連包了一個智能應用組名字都取得非常的好聽但是主委你也知道老師如果不再出去進修老師如果不會跟業界再繼續做結合光是同學老師用20年前的教材怎麼有辦法改個名字就有辦法讓我們的AI的人才的進步就可以存在這點你同意吧\n\n14\n00:05:33,024 --> 00:05:58,862\n同意這個球就是直接接到了他們說三振或者是好球很straight非常好但是我還是要告訴你做了哪些很不好的地方你看我們第一年申請的件數我一直覺得這個申請的件數雖然是一個量化可是它是一個參考值來說那你會看到這個申請的一個件數包括你們過去非常強調的新秀學者、年輕學者、優秀年輕學者你看看\n\n15\n00:05:59,822 --> 00:06:07,025\n整個的件數來說的話足足少了目前只剩下1158主委數學算一下足足少了635個人這是比率是非常高幾乎像是腰斬一樣我們再看下面一個我現在只呈現這些數據給主委回去做一個參考你看我們今天人次的表講座教授、課座教授、國科會的講座人數也逐次的降低我覺得讓我最擔心的一件事情是什麼你看\n\n16\n00:06:26,011 --> 00:06:32,554\n你十年來的計劃補助在台灣參與你花了這麼多的錢即使我認為人才是應該流通試驗性流通的但是我們資助的這些本國籍的博士後你看一城市是提早離開的在簽約完一城市提早離開的那外國籍的這個人更不要講他根本有四成的人是返回他母國任教的雖然人才是流通但是我們花這些錢把這些培養好每個人都走掉了那怎麼辦\n\n17\n00:06:53,885 --> 00:07:10,793\n的確這是一個問題但是也是值得我們高興的就是說這些人才其實都提早進到產業界了那我們的計畫的建樹下降還有一個原因就是因為我們有多年期的計畫在鼓勵所以計畫的建樹是下降但是他們經費是大幅的提升\n\n18\n00:07:10,933 --> 00:07:31,659\n我知道金費大幅提升計畫下降所以這部分我需要更細緻的來告訴我你們審查的一個標準你把金費投注在比較少的部分你沒辦法廣批我同意這是一個趨勢但是那裡面的你們審核的標準到底是如何對於外國籍的博士的研究為什麼他們在台灣留不住我覺得這個主委你也要特別去看一下可以嗎好謝謝\n\n19\n00:07:54,554 --> 00:08:00,139\n打倒你當初的預期目標在你回應這個問題之前我先告訴你一下因為我們目前為止有關於化合物半導體的發展在國外我們晚了非常的多中國大陸他大概是花了44兆來全力發展第三代的半導體而且我們現在目前來說歐美已經掌握了90%的關鍵\n\n20\n00:08:14,130 --> 00:08:14,150\n議員吳誠文\n\n21\n00:08:33,063 --> 00:08:55,349\n所以你看他通常都會投一個直球對不對都不會有曲彎曲你會達到那你到底認為有這麼大的一個信心我還是要提醒因為我們目前為止在這一塊很多原料會因為地緣政治非常非常多因素的一些的影響所以呢他會做到這樣的一個程度不管你是這份專家我還是給你賦予你比較大的一個鼓勵但是呢我還是要特別提到除了你剛剛說的這個層面來之外下面一個我覺得這是非常重要的\n\n22\n00:09:01,130 --> 00:09:09,273\n因為這也是你剛報告當中你也認為近鄰轉型也是你們國科會裡面非常重要的但是你看看這個數據你覺得這會是賴總統舊時候跳到第一張票嗎?為什麼?你看看看我們設定的所有的近鄰排碳的這個目標我問過中研院的廖院長\n\n23\n00:09:17,176 --> 00:09:25,183\n他認為要達到這樣的目標是非常非常困難的我肯定他講出一個實話同樣是學者出身這沒有藐視國會這個問題完全沒有好不好這反案還沒有通過我們也不會問這些無聊的問題但是呢你看各國所設定的這些的目標裡面來看的話我們距離賴總統告訴我們要達到淨零排碳的這樣的目標以我們現在的發展的方式來說是遠遠遠遠落後非常多你自己認為呢這也是你們主軸的一個計劃方案嗎\n\n24\n00:09:46,664 --> 00:09:48,424\n這個任務非常艱難我們會努力所以各位這個學者專家講的還是比較客觀一個說非常的困難一個說非常的艱難所以呢你們都不願意講其實很困難根本不可能達到因為呢國會已經提到了這個2023到2026你們會每年投入150億的這個經費150億的經費你覺得你的效果可以達到什麼樣的一個程度這是我們很可以\n\n25\n00:10:11,571 --> 00:10:32,964\n因為這是賴總統特別承諾大家的往後要這個部分中研院跟國科會這兩個我們號稱全國最聰明的腦袋的人才都在這個地方所以我只問你嘛五大精靈科技到底能夠有沒有辦法提前落實有沒有辦法在2030達到24%減碳的目標主委一句話只求行或不行沒有需求行或不行\n\n26\n00:10:39,239 --> 00:10:39,539\n還要努力。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n349\t3351\t第一位我們的柯志恩召委質詢謝謝召委我們請我們的吳主委好有請吳主委主委好啊你今天站在立法院備詢跟你過去當少幫國手站在投手丘上面的感覺是如何\n27863\t40099\t雖然是不同的不同的場合但是身為先發投手我一定投好球但是你今天不是先發投手今天是我當投手你來接球\n41601\t46783\t而且你過去當過投手當過二壘手你當過游擊手都是一個非常所以今天給你當一個你從來沒有當過的捕手的角色看你有沒有辦法接到我所發出的球好不好好我們先來看一下這個賴總統呢他認為這自詡他的團隊是AI內閣所以我想他對於這個半導體的科技計畫是非常的重視你也是這方面的一個專家我們就一一來檢視雖然你剛剛上任但是你應該看過國科會過去一些補助大專院校的這些的計畫\n71135\t77103\t你對於他們推動相關的半導體科技的計畫的成效你有掌握還是你會不會滿意到目前為止我其實有相當程度的掌握因為我也是其中一位你滿意嗎 國科會過去補助的計畫的成效\n90633\t110759\t算是滿意啦算是滿意那我們來看看數據來說話一下好不好你們過去花了非常多的時間在不同的計劃方案上面可是呢我不用一一條列這個數字不同的方案但是你會發現一個共同的公約數就是呢逐年年次的申請的人數是逐年下降的那這樣一個逐年下降來說的話主委為什麼會造成這樣一個結果\n115040\t134757\t您說經費變多了但是申請的人數案件反而變少了您覺得這最大的原因是什麼?不瞞主委說其實我們整個高等教育的人力包含教授人數跟學生人數其實是在下降當中這一點其實是\n135928\t148358\t你認為因為人數下降的關係所以他們投注在你們所花最多的半導體的人才上面可能因為這樣就讓人才的申請案就會慢慢下降嗎?這是一個原因是人數下降那就是人才的問題了我們再看往下來看一下主委員你不要緊張這個絕對比你這個還要那個\n156764\t173915\t同樣身為大學老師我會對你客氣一點特別是你是第一個面對的是我投的球那你會看得到這些歷年的這個國家的這個申請的經費還是請主委看一下我們基礎的研究我說實在的跟其他國家比較起來是非常的低落的我們大概就只比中國大陸來的多一點點\n176357\t192432\t﹏﹏\n194547\t208176\t謝謝委員指教這一點我是認同就是過去我們的科研的投入的這個經費即使跟先進國家比起來是那你有沒有其他積極性的一個做法我們現在\n210253\t227645\t其實在前政委吳正宗的支持已經有擴充了我們的科技預算對,但是你的科技預算未來會持續在增加你就提到了你們擴大的科技預算但是還是一句話\n228365\t233406\t你們申請的件數還有包括的這個人數我來給你看一個數據啊競差連的申請的這個件數啊少了1333件你核定少了625件所以你們不斷的告訴我們你們的確是非常的重視這樣的一個產業啊但是呢也給了一些的錢但是呢從數據來看的話顯然沒有達到很大的一個效果而且我特別的強調如果你沒有基礎研究這個半導體的話啊\n255973\t259616\t我覺得脈總統所謂的要信賴這個產業我個人覺得是畫上一個非常大的一個問號的我們再來看一下我們來看一下下一頁這就是為什麼我特別提到的因為呢上一次我們在這裡的時候你們李敏崇副主委他特別坦誠因為國家投入基礎研究的預算太低\n275811\t303695\t﹏﹏﹏\n303795\t323371\t主委你也在學校待過嘛每個人都說你只要學校框上一個AI的名號就有辦法申請比較多的一個經費你看看嘛加了一個人工智慧加上一個電腦科學跟人工智慧加上什麼連包了一個智能應用組名字都取得非常的好聽但是主委你也知道老師如果不再出去進修老師如果不會跟業界再繼續做結合光是同學老師用20年前的教材怎麼有辦法改個名字就有辦法讓我們的AI的人才的進步就可以存在這點你同意吧\n333024\t358862\t同意這個球就是直接接到了他們說三振或者是好球很straight非常好但是我還是要告訴你做了哪些很不好的地方你看我們第一年申請的件數我一直覺得這個申請的件數雖然是一個量化可是它是一個參考值來說那你會看到這個申請的一個件數包括你們過去非常強調的新秀學者、年輕學者、優秀年輕學者你看看\n359822\t367025\t整個的件數來說的話足足少了目前只剩下1158主委數學算一下足足少了635個人這是比率是非常高幾乎像是腰斬一樣我們再看下面一個我現在只呈現這些數據給主委回去做一個參考你看我們今天人次的表講座教授、課座教授、國科會的講座人數也逐次的降低我覺得讓我最擔心的一件事情是什麼你看\n386011\t392554\t你十年來的計劃補助在台灣參與你花了這麼多的錢即使我認為人才是應該流通試驗性流通的但是我們資助的這些本國籍的博士後你看一城市是提早離開的在簽約完一城市提早離開的那外國籍的這個人更不要講他根本有四成的人是返回他母國任教的雖然人才是流通但是我們花這些錢把這些培養好每個人都走掉了那怎麼辦\n413885\t430793\t的確這是一個問題但是也是值得我們高興的就是說這些人才其實都提早進到產業界了那我們的計畫的建樹下降還有一個原因就是因為我們有多年期的計畫在鼓勵所以計畫的建樹是下降但是他們經費是大幅的提升\n430933\t451659\t我知道金費大幅提升計畫下降所以這部分我需要更細緻的來告訴我你們審查的一個標準你把金費投注在比較少的部分你沒辦法廣批我同意這是一個趨勢但是那裡面的你們審核的標準到底是如何對於外國籍的博士的研究為什麼他們在台灣留不住我覺得這個主委你也要特別去看一下可以嗎好謝謝\n452159\t474394\t﹏﹏﹏\n474554\t480139\t打倒你當初的預期目標在你回應這個問題之前我先告訴你一下因為我們目前為止有關於化合物半導體的發展在國外我們晚了非常的多中國大陸他大概是花了44兆來全力發展第三代的半導體而且我們現在目前來說歐美已經掌握了90%的關鍵\n494130\t494150\t議員吳誠文\n513063\t535349\t所以你看他通常都會投一個直球對不對都不會有曲彎曲你會達到那你到底認為有這麼大的一個信心我還是要提醒因為我們目前為止在這一塊很多原料會因為地緣政治非常非常多因素的一些的影響所以呢他會做到這樣的一個程度不管你是這份專家我還是給你賦予你比較大的一個鼓勵但是呢我還是要特別提到除了你剛剛說的這個層面來之外下面一個我覺得這是非常重要的\n541130\t549273\t因為這也是你剛報告當中你也認為近鄰轉型也是你們國科會裡面非常重要的但是你看看這個數據你覺得這會是賴總統舊時候跳到第一張票嗎?為什麼?你看看看我們設定的所有的近鄰排碳的這個目標我問過中研院的廖院長\n557176\t565183\t他認為要達到這樣的目標是非常非常困難的我肯定他講出一個實話同樣是學者出身這沒有藐視國會這個問題完全沒有好不好這反案還沒有通過我們也不會問這些無聊的問題但是呢你看各國所設定的這些的目標裡面來看的話我們距離賴總統告訴我們要達到淨零排碳的這樣的目標以我們現在的發展的方式來說是遠遠遠遠落後非常多你自己認為呢這也是你們主軸的一個計劃方案嗎\n586664\t588424\t這個任務非常艱難我們會努力所以各位這個學者專家講的還是比較客觀一個說非常的困難一個說非常的艱難所以呢你們都不願意講其實很困難根本不可能達到因為呢國會已經提到了這個2023到2026你們會每年投入150億的這個經費150億的經費你覺得你的效果可以達到什麼樣的一個程度這是我們很可以\n611571\t632964\t因為這是賴總統特別承諾大家的往後要這個部分中研院跟國科會這兩個我們號稱全國最聰明的腦袋的人才都在這個地方所以我只問你嘛五大精靈科技到底能夠有沒有辦法提前落實有沒有辦法在2030達到24%減碳的目標主委一句話只求行或不行沒有需求行或不行\n639239\t639539\t還要努力。\n","txt":"第一位我們的柯志恩召委質詢謝謝召委我們請我們的吳主委好有請吳主委主委好啊你今天站在立法院備詢跟你過去當少幫國手站在投手丘上面的感覺是如何\n雖然是不同的不同的場合但是身為先發投手我一定投好球但是你今天不是先發投手今天是我當投手你來接球\n而且你過去當過投手當過二壘手你當過游擊手都是一個非常所以今天給你當一個你從來沒有當過的捕手的角色看你有沒有辦法接到我所發出的球好不好好我們先來看一下這個賴總統呢他認為這自詡他的團隊是AI內閣所以我想他對於這個半導體的科技計畫是非常的重視你也是這方面的一個專家我們就一一來檢視雖然你剛剛上任但是你應該看過國科會過去一些補助大專院校的這些的計畫\n你對於他們推動相關的半導體科技的計畫的成效你有掌握還是你會不會滿意到目前為止我其實有相當程度的掌握因為我也是其中一位你滿意嗎 國科會過去補助的計畫的成效\n算是滿意啦算是滿意那我們來看看數據來說話一下好不好你們過去花了非常多的時間在不同的計劃方案上面可是呢我不用一一條列這個數字不同的方案但是你會發現一個共同的公約數就是呢逐年年次的申請的人數是逐年下降的那這樣一個逐年下降來說的話主委為什麼會造成這樣一個結果\n您說經費變多了但是申請的人數案件反而變少了您覺得這最大的原因是什麼?不瞞主委說其實我們整個高等教育的人力包含教授人數跟學生人數其實是在下降當中這一點其實是\n你認為因為人數下降的關係所以他們投注在你們所花最多的半導體的人才上面可能因為這樣就讓人才的申請案就會慢慢下降嗎?這是一個原因是人數下降那就是人才的問題了我們再看往下來看一下主委員你不要緊張這個絕對比你這個還要那個\n同樣身為大學老師我會對你客氣一點特別是你是第一個面對的是我投的球那你會看得到這些歷年的這個國家的這個申請的經費還是請主委看一下我們基礎的研究我說實在的跟其他國家比較起來是非常的低落的我們大概就只比中國大陸來的多一點點\n﹏﹏\n謝謝委員指教這一點我是認同就是過去我們的科研的投入的這個經費即使跟先進國家比起來是那你有沒有其他積極性的一個做法我們現在\n其實在前政委吳正宗的支持已經有擴充了我們的科技預算對,但是你的科技預算未來會持續在增加你就提到了你們擴大的科技預算但是還是一句話\n你們申請的件數還有包括的這個人數我來給你看一個數據啊競差連的申請的這個件數啊少了1333件你核定少了625件所以你們不斷的告訴我們你們的確是非常的重視這樣的一個產業啊但是呢也給了一些的錢但是呢從數據來看的話顯然沒有達到很大的一個效果而且我特別的強調如果你沒有基礎研究這個半導體的話啊\n我覺得脈總統所謂的要信賴這個產業我個人覺得是畫上一個非常大的一個問號的我們再來看一下我們來看一下下一頁這就是為什麼我特別提到的因為呢上一次我們在這裡的時候你們李敏崇副主委他特別坦誠因為國家投入基礎研究的預算太低\n﹏﹏﹏\n主委你也在學校待過嘛每個人都說你只要學校框上一個AI的名號就有辦法申請比較多的一個經費你看看嘛加了一個人工智慧加上一個電腦科學跟人工智慧加上什麼連包了一個智能應用組名字都取得非常的好聽但是主委你也知道老師如果不再出去進修老師如果不會跟業界再繼續做結合光是同學老師用20年前的教材怎麼有辦法改個名字就有辦法讓我們的AI的人才的進步就可以存在這點你同意吧\n同意這個球就是直接接到了他們說三振或者是好球很straight非常好但是我還是要告訴你做了哪些很不好的地方你看我們第一年申請的件數我一直覺得這個申請的件數雖然是一個量化可是它是一個參考值來說那你會看到這個申請的一個件數包括你們過去非常強調的新秀學者、年輕學者、優秀年輕學者你看看\n整個的件數來說的話足足少了目前只剩下1158主委數學算一下足足少了635個人這是比率是非常高幾乎像是腰斬一樣我們再看下面一個我現在只呈現這些數據給主委回去做一個參考你看我們今天人次的表講座教授、課座教授、國科會的講座人數也逐次的降低我覺得讓我最擔心的一件事情是什麼你看\n你十年來的計劃補助在台灣參與你花了這麼多的錢即使我認為人才是應該流通試驗性流通的但是我們資助的這些本國籍的博士後你看一城市是提早離開的在簽約完一城市提早離開的那外國籍的這個人更不要講他根本有四成的人是返回他母國任教的雖然人才是流通但是我們花這些錢把這些培養好每個人都走掉了那怎麼辦\n的確這是一個問題但是也是值得我們高興的就是說這些人才其實都提早進到產業界了那我們的計畫的建樹下降還有一個原因就是因為我們有多年期的計畫在鼓勵所以計畫的建樹是下降但是他們經費是大幅的提升\n我知道金費大幅提升計畫下降所以這部分我需要更細緻的來告訴我你們審查的一個標準你把金費投注在比較少的部分你沒辦法廣批我同意這是一個趨勢但是那裡面的你們審核的標準到底是如何對於外國籍的博士的研究為什麼他們在台灣留不住我覺得這個主委你也要特別去看一下可以嗎好謝謝\n﹏﹏﹏\n打倒你當初的預期目標在你回應這個問題之前我先告訴你一下因為我們目前為止有關於化合物半導體的發展在國外我們晚了非常的多中國大陸他大概是花了44兆來全力發展第三代的半導體而且我們現在目前來說歐美已經掌握了90%的關鍵\n議員吳誠文\n所以你看他通常都會投一個直球對不對都不會有曲彎曲你會達到那你到底認為有這麼大的一個信心我還是要提醒因為我們目前為止在這一塊很多原料會因為地緣政治非常非常多因素的一些的影響所以呢他會做到這樣的一個程度不管你是這份專家我還是給你賦予你比較大的一個鼓勵但是呢我還是要特別提到除了你剛剛說的這個層面來之外下面一個我覺得這是非常重要的\n因為這也是你剛報告當中你也認為近鄰轉型也是你們國科會裡面非常重要的但是你看看這個數據你覺得這會是賴總統舊時候跳到第一張票嗎?為什麼?你看看看我們設定的所有的近鄰排碳的這個目標我問過中研院的廖院長\n他認為要達到這樣的目標是非常非常困難的我肯定他講出一個實話同樣是學者出身這沒有藐視國會這個問題完全沒有好不好這反案還沒有通過我們也不會問這些無聊的問題但是呢你看各國所設定的這些的目標裡面來看的話我們距離賴總統告訴我們要達到淨零排碳的這樣的目標以我們現在的發展的方式來說是遠遠遠遠落後非常多你自己認為呢這也是你們主軸的一個計劃方案嗎\n這個任務非常艱難我們會努力所以各位這個學者專家講的還是比較客觀一個說非常的困難一個說非常的艱難所以呢你們都不願意講其實很困難根本不可能達到因為呢國會已經提到了這個2023到2026你們會每年投入150億的這個經費150億的經費你覺得你的效果可以達到什麼樣的一個程度這是我們很可以\n因為這是賴總統特別承諾大家的往後要這個部分中研院跟國科會這兩個我們號稱全國最聰明的腦袋的人才都在這個地方所以我只問你嘛五大精靈科技到底能夠有沒有辦法提前落實有沒有辦法在2030達到24%減碳的目標主委一句話只求行或不行沒有需求行或不行\n還要努力。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.349 --> 00:03.351\n第一位我們的柯志恩召委質詢謝謝召委我們請我們的吳主委好有請吳主委主委好啊你今天站在立法院備詢跟你過去當少幫國手站在投手丘上面的感覺是如何\n\n00:27.863 --> 00:40.099\n雖然是不同的不同的場合但是身為先發投手我一定投好球但是你今天不是先發投手今天是我當投手你來接球\n\n00:41.601 --> 00:46.783\n而且你過去當過投手當過二壘手你當過游擊手都是一個非常所以今天給你當一個你從來沒有當過的捕手的角色看你有沒有辦法接到我所發出的球好不好好我們先來看一下這個賴總統呢他認為這自詡他的團隊是AI內閣所以我想他對於這個半導體的科技計畫是非常的重視你也是這方面的一個專家我們就一一來檢視雖然你剛剛上任但是你應該看過國科會過去一些補助大專院校的這些的計畫\n\n01:11.135 --> 01:17.103\n你對於他們推動相關的半導體科技的計畫的成效你有掌握還是你會不會滿意到目前為止我其實有相當程度的掌握因為我也是其中一位你滿意嗎國科會過去補助的計畫的成效\n\n01:30.633 --> 01:50.759\n算是滿意啦算是滿意那我們來看看數據來說話一下好不好你們過去花了非常多的時間在不同的計劃方案上面可是呢我不用一一條列這個數字不同的方案但是你會發現一個共同的公約數就是呢逐年年次的申請的人數是逐年下降的那這樣一個逐年下降來說的話主委為什麼會造成這樣一個結果\n\n01:55.040 --> 02:14.757\n您說經費變多了但是申請的人數案件反而變少了您覺得這最大的原因是什麼?不瞞主委說其實我們整個高等教育的人力包含教授人數跟學生人數其實是在下降當中這一點其實是\n\n02:15.928 --> 02:28.358\n你認為因為人數下降的關係所以他們投注在你們所花最多的半導體的人才上面可能因為這樣就讓人才的申請案就會慢慢下降嗎?這是一個原因是人數下降那就是人才的問題了我們再看往下來看一下主委員你不要緊張這個絕對比你這個還要那個\n\n02:36.764 --> 02:53.915\n同樣身為大學老師我會對你客氣一點特別是你是第一個面對的是我投的球那你會看得到這些歷年的這個國家的這個申請的經費還是請主委看一下我們基礎的研究我說實在的跟其他國家比較起來是非常的低落的我們大概就只比中國大陸來的多一點點\n\n03:14.547 --> 03:28.176\n謝謝委員指教這一點我是認同就是過去我們的科研的投入的這個經費即使跟先進國家比起來是那你有沒有其他積極性的一個做法我們現在\n\n03:30.253 --> 03:47.645\n其實在前政委吳正宗的支持已經有擴充了我們的科技預算對,但是你的科技預算未來會持續在增加你就提到了你們擴大的科技預算但是還是一句話\n\n03:48.365 --> 03:53.406\n你們申請的件數還有包括的這個人數我來給你看一個數據啊競差連的申請的這個件數啊少了1333件你核定少了625件所以你們不斷的告訴我們你們的確是非常的重視這樣的一個產業啊但是呢也給了一些的錢但是呢從數據來看的話顯然沒有達到很大的一個效果而且我特別的強調如果你沒有基礎研究這個半導體的話啊\n\n04:15.973 --> 04:19.616\n我覺得脈總統所謂的要信賴這個產業我個人覺得是畫上一個非常大的一個問號的我們再來看一下我們來看一下下一頁這就是為什麼我特別提到的因為呢上一次我們在這裡的時候你們李敏崇副主委他特別坦誠因為國家投入基礎研究的預算太低\n\n05:03.795 --> 05:23.371\n主委你也在學校待過嘛每個人都說你只要學校框上一個AI的名號就有辦法申請比較多的一個經費你看看嘛加了一個人工智慧加上一個電腦科學跟人工智慧加上什麼連包了一個智能應用組名字都取得非常的好聽但是主委你也知道老師如果不再出去進修老師如果不會跟業界再繼續做結合光是同學老師用20年前的教材怎麼有辦法改個名字就有辦法讓我們的AI的人才的進步就可以存在這點你同意吧\n\n05:33.024 --> 05:58.862\n同意這個球就是直接接到了他們說三振或者是好球很straight非常好但是我還是要告訴你做了哪些很不好的地方你看我們第一年申請的件數我一直覺得這個申請的件數雖然是一個量化可是它是一個參考值來說那你會看到這個申請的一個件數包括你們過去非常強調的新秀學者、年輕學者、優秀年輕學者你看看\n\n05:59.822 --> 06:07.025\n整個的件數來說的話足足少了目前只剩下1158主委數學算一下足足少了635個人這是比率是非常高幾乎像是腰斬一樣我們再看下面一個我現在只呈現這些數據給主委回去做一個參考你看我們今天人次的表講座教授、課座教授、國科會的講座人數也逐次的降低我覺得讓我最擔心的一件事情是什麼你看\n\n06:26.011 --> 06:32.554\n你十年來的計劃補助在台灣參與你花了這麼多的錢即使我認為人才是應該流通試驗性流通的但是我們資助的這些本國籍的博士後你看一城市是提早離開的在簽約完一城市提早離開的那外國籍的這個人更不要講他根本有四成的人是返回他母國任教的雖然人才是流通但是我們花這些錢把這些培養好每個人都走掉了那怎麼辦\n\n06:53.885 --> 07:10.793\n的確這是一個問題但是也是值得我們高興的就是說這些人才其實都提早進到產業界了那我們的計畫的建樹下降還有一個原因就是因為我們有多年期的計畫在鼓勵所以計畫的建樹是下降但是他們經費是大幅的提升\n\n07:10.933 --> 07:31.659\n我知道金費大幅提升計畫下降所以這部分我需要更細緻的來告訴我你們審查的一個標準你把金費投注在比較少的部分你沒辦法廣批我同意這是一個趨勢但是那裡面的你們審核的標準到底是如何對於外國籍的博士的研究為什麼他們在台灣留不住我覺得這個主委你也要特別去看一下可以嗎好謝謝\n\n07:54.554 --> 08:00.139\n打倒你當初的預期目標在你回應這個問題之前我先告訴你一下因為我們目前為止有關於化合物半導體的發展在國外我們晚了非常的多中國大陸他大概是花了44兆來全力發展第三代的半導體而且我們現在目前來說歐美已經掌握了90%的關鍵\n\n08:14.130 --> 08:14.150\n議員吳誠文\n\n08:33.063 --> 08:55.349\n所以你看他通常都會投一個直球對不對都不會有曲彎曲你會達到那你到底認為有這麼大的一個信心我還是要提醒因為我們目前為止在這一塊很多原料會因為地緣政治非常非常多因素的一些的影響所以呢他會做到這樣的一個程度不管你是這份專家我還是給你賦予你比較大的一個鼓勵但是呢我還是要特別提到除了你剛剛說的這個層面來之外下面一個我覺得這是非常重要的\n\n09:01.130 --> 09:09.273\n因為這也是你剛報告當中你也認為近鄰轉型也是你們國科會裡面非常重要的但是你看看這個數據你覺得這會是賴總統舊時候跳到第一張票嗎?為什麼?你看看看我們設定的所有的近鄰排碳的這個目標我問過中研院的廖院長\n\n09:17.176 --> 09:25.183\n他認為要達到這樣的目標是非常非常困難的我肯定他講出一個實話同樣是學者出身這沒有藐視國會這個問題完全沒有好不好這反案還沒有通過我們也不會問這些無聊的問題但是呢你看各國所設定的這些的目標裡面來看的話我們距離賴總統告訴我們要達到淨零排碳的這樣的目標以我們現在的發展的方式來說是遠遠遠遠落後非常多你自己認為呢這也是你們主軸的一個計劃方案嗎\n\n09:46.664 --> 09:48.424\n這個任務非常艱難我們會努力所以各位這個學者專家講的還是比較客觀一個說非常的困難一個說非常的艱難所以呢你們都不願意講其實很困難根本不可能達到因為呢國會已經提到了這個2023到2026你們會每年投入150億的這個經費150億的經費你覺得你的效果可以達到什麼樣的一個程度這是我們很可以\n\n10:11.571 --> 10:32.964\n因為這是賴總統特別承諾大家的往後要這個部分中研院跟國科會這兩個我們號稱全國最聰明的腦袋的人才都在這個地方所以我只問你嘛五大精靈科技到底能夠有沒有辦法提前落實有沒有辦法在2030達到24%減碳的目標主委一句話只求行或不行沒有需求行或不行\n\n10:39.239 --> 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