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00:02:50,678\n主委您自己本身也來自我們的教育界之前其實在受訪的時候您有說\n\n9\n00:03:18,477 --> 00:03:19,198\n議員吳誠文列席報告議員吳誠文列席報告議員\n\n10\n00:03:48,237 --> 00:03:49,278\n議員吳誠文列席報告議員吳誠文列席報告\n\n11\n00:04:11,007 --> 00:04:32,645\n後來就沒了那這個部分是不是在科技上就是在學系上面會不會因為AI的風潮然後反而讓一些所謂的跟人文相關的一些科系這個資源上的這個變成變成比較沒有那麼的平均啊那這個部分其實是我們有一點擔心的這個您怎麼看呢\n\n12\n00:04:32,705 --> 00:04:51,403\n我非常同意委員的看法其實我個人也是很關注這個議題我希望說利用台灣科技的優勢可以來協助傳統的甚至11住行、娛樂各行各業都能夠善用AI的工具來協助他們轉型而且也可以留住人才\n\n13\n00:04:52,867 --> 00:05:15,188\n除了要流出人才其實這些科系還是有必要性的一個存在啦那只是說在這樣子的一個轉型的部分比方說我們剛剛看到一些像電視啦網路行銷啦或者是商務啦觀光英語啦或者是餐飲啦像類似這樣子或者是一般的所謂的文學院或商學院它怎麼樣跟AI這個部分來做結合或者是怎麼樣來做\n\n14\n00:05:16,809 --> 00:05:17,289\n委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任\n\n15\n00:05:38,328 --> 00:05:39,189\n公務委員吳誠文列席報告業務概況．\n\n16\n00:06:03,712 --> 00:06:27,285\n其實我們比較擔心的是因為這個一窩蜂的AI啦反而會讓原本他們比方說我剛剛講的那些人文科系的一些學校因為招不到學生反而會停招這個也是將來有可能會碰到的面臨的一個問題這是真的就是活生生的會出現在這個教育界當中那這個部分可能我們也是要再來做更進一步的一個研究\n\n17\n00:06:29,046 --> 00:06:47,355\n第三個問題其實我想要問到的是當然這個其實我們必須說也非常的肯定啦這個國科會對於所謂的這個女性朋友的一個福利啦其實世界上有許多國家正在面臨所謂的這個性別比較比例不均的一個狀況啦\n\n18\n00:06:51,158 --> 00:07:01,808\n公布了111年度性別分析的報告投入所謂的科技產業的男女的比例上其實還是3比1\n\n19\n00:07:03,470 --> 00:07:03,630\n委員會主任委員長\n\n20\n00:07:18,826 --> 00:07:46,175\n就是讓女性能夠進入到高科技產業的一個職場那當然也要幫助他們比方說在育兒的一個部分那我們知道國科會其實在2021年的時候在職場互助教保服務中心這個部分其實也服務了蠻多就是在職的女性那他們的小朋友這兩歲到這個學齡前有這樣子的一個等於是招收在\n\n21\n00:07:46,955 --> 00:07:47,296\n請相關人員來回答這個問題。\n\n22\n00:08:01,972 --> 00:08:22,798\n是,委員跟您報告一下就是我們國科會教保中心目前是收50個那是依照教育部國教署他訂了一些職域那按照我們的那個規定所以我們現在是50個是因為師生比的關係是訂50個因為最多其實本來應該是可以到60個對不對對,因為我們考慮到我們場地的關係對\n\n23\n00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:42,800\n對,所以我們那時候就是一開始規劃的話就是50個那113年的話就按照教育部他有規定為了讓就是幼兒可以得到更好的一個教育所以那個師生比就有調降又再繼續調降\n\n24\n00:08:43,821 --> 00:09:01,817\n但是我相信應該需求會更多啦因為我們知道其實在國科會不管是資策會啦公研院啦或者是國研院等等相關的這樣子的一個部門啦我是說應該需求的人其實應該會比較多那你們沒有想要再增設這樣子的一個\n\n25\n00:09:03,518 --> 00:09:03,818\n議員提供解釋\n\n26\n00:09:26,207 --> 00:09:29,432\n獲得的資料是從50個變48個。因為這個數字也是教育部、國教署合訂給我們的。這個部分我們會努力再跟\n\n27\n00:09:43,030 --> 00:09:46,874\n對,因為雖然是以女性員工的子女為主啦那要符合這樣的條件我相信也有很多人在申請啦是\n\n28\n00:09:59,528 --> 00:09:59,668\n稍後顧之憂\n\n29\n00:10:15,467 --> 00:10:31,384\n主委這邊我認同委員的看法我們會跟教育部來協調看有沒有機會我們來增加一些名額然後增加照顧的人員然後把那個師生筆的部分能夠再符合條件然後讓更多的女性朋友能夠安心的投入我們必須符合法規但是我看看有沒有這個機會有空間可以做好謝謝謝謝主委\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t1850\t接下來請郭昱晴委員謝謝主席 有請主委好 有請吳主委主委早安\n18547\t38983\t我想今天其實我們都聚焦在AI啦那我想人工智慧近年來其實是越來越成熟了那但是其實在使用上或者是在各規範上其實還是需要有一些指引啦包含就是他的名詞的定義啦法律的名詞定義啦那隱私的部分啦還有就是使用的一些\n39904\t40104\t委員會主任委員會主席\n54861\t82514\t但是目前為止好像還沒有有一個比較具體的一個共識我想這個歐盟在今年的3月其實他們也通過了所謂的人工的智慧法另外在韓國的部分他們也有智慧資訊化的一個基本法在世界各國其實紛紛在就這個部分來開始立法的時候您覺得台灣應該要站在什麼樣的一個立場將來有可能在這個立法的草案的推動的進程大概是怎麼樣呢?\n84011\t109708\t我們的規劃小組現在當然也在參考歐盟已經公布的這個AI的法案那台灣的過去在制定相關的法案的時候其實非常注重我們經濟的發展但是現在身為一個已經比較進步的一個國家我覺得在保護人權的部分\n110663\t137304\t也要關注所以目前的討論我們會兩者兼具就是說對於人權對於隱私的這個保護以及產業的發展我們希望兩者可以相輔相成所以主委的意思是說我們要先有一個指引然後再比較統合一些意見跟共識然後再來做立法那今年年底有可能這個草案會出來嗎\n138376\t138396\t兼職\n168436\t170678\t主委您自己本身也來自我們的教育界之前其實在受訪的時候您有說\n198477\t199198\t議員吳誠文列席報告議員吳誠文列席報告議員\n228237\t229278\t議員吳誠文列席報告議員吳誠文列席報告\n251007\t272645\t後來就沒了那這個部分是不是在科技上就是在學系上面會不會因為AI的風潮然後反而讓一些所謂的跟人文相關的一些科系這個資源上的這個變成變成比較沒有那麼的平均啊那這個部分其實是我們有一點擔心的這個您怎麼看呢\n272705\t291403\t我非常同意委員的看法其實我個人也是很關注這個議題我希望說利用台灣科技的優勢可以來協助傳統的甚至11住行、娛樂各行各業都能夠善用AI的工具來協助他們轉型而且也可以留住人才\n292867\t315188\t除了要流出人才其實這些科系還是有必要性的一個存在啦那只是說在這樣子的一個轉型的部分比方說我們剛剛看到一些像電視啦網路行銷啦或者是商務啦觀光英語啦或者是餐飲啦像類似這樣子或者是一般的所謂的文學院或商學院它怎麼樣跟AI這個部分來做結合或者是怎麼樣來做\n316809\t317289\t委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任\n338328\t339189\t公務委員吳誠文列席報告業務概況．\n363712\t387285\t其實我們比較擔心的是因為這個一窩蜂的AI啦反而會讓原本他們比方說我剛剛講的那些人文科系的一些學校因為招不到學生反而會停招這個也是將來有可能會碰到的面臨的一個問題這是真的就是活生生的會出現在這個教育界當中那這個部分可能我們也是要再來做更進一步的一個研究\n389046\t407355\t第三個問題其實我想要問到的是當然這個其實我們必須說也非常的肯定啦這個國科會對於所謂的這個女性朋友的一個福利啦其實世界上有許多國家正在面臨所謂的這個性別比較比例不均的一個狀況啦\n411158\t421808\t公布了111年度性別分析的報告投入所謂的科技產業的男女的比例上其實還是3比1\n423470\t423630\t委員會主任委員長\n438826\t466175\t就是讓女性能夠進入到高科技產業的一個職場那當然也要幫助他們比方說在育兒的一個部分那我們知道國科會其實在2021年的時候在職場互助教保服務中心這個部分其實也服務了蠻多就是在職的女性那他們的小朋友這兩歲到這個學齡前有這樣子的一個等於是招收在\n466955\t467296\t請相關人員來回答這個問題。\n481972\t502798\t是,委員跟您報告一下就是我們國科會教保中心目前是收50個那是依照教育部國教署他訂了一些職域那按照我們的那個規定所以我們現在是50個是因為師生比的關係是訂50個因為最多其實本來應該是可以到60個對不對對,因為我們考慮到我們場地的關係對\n508160\t522800\t對,所以我們那時候就是一開始規劃的話就是50個那113年的話就按照教育部他有規定為了讓就是幼兒可以得到更好的一個教育所以那個師生比就有調降又再繼續調降\n523821\t541817\t但是我相信應該需求會更多啦因為我們知道其實在國科會不管是資策會啦公研院啦或者是國研院等等相關的這樣子的一個部門啦我是說應該需求的人其實應該會比較多那你們沒有想要再增設這樣子的一個\n543518\t543818\t議員提供解釋\n566207\t569432\t獲得的資料是從50個變48個。因為這個數字也是教育部、國教署合訂給我們的。這個部分我們會努力再跟\n583030\t586874\t對,因為雖然是以女性員工的子女為主啦那要符合這樣的條件我相信也有很多人在申請啦是\n599528\t599668\t稍後顧之憂\n615467\t631384\t主委這邊我認同委員的看法我們會跟教育部來協調看有沒有機會我們來增加一些名額然後增加照顧的人員然後把那個師生筆的部分能夠再符合條件然後讓更多的女性朋友能夠安心的投入我們必須符合法規但是我看看有沒有這個機會有空間可以做好謝謝謝謝主委\n","txt":"接下來請郭昱晴委員謝謝主席 有請主委好 有請吳主委主委早安\n我想今天其實我們都聚焦在AI啦那我想人工智慧近年來其實是越來越成熟了那但是其實在使用上或者是在各規範上其實還是需要有一些指引啦包含就是他的名詞的定義啦法律的名詞定義啦那隱私的部分啦還有就是使用的一些\n委員會主任委員會主席\n但是目前為止好像還沒有有一個比較具體的一個共識我想這個歐盟在今年的3月其實他們也通過了所謂的人工的智慧法另外在韓國的部分他們也有智慧資訊化的一個基本法在世界各國其實紛紛在就這個部分來開始立法的時候您覺得台灣應該要站在什麼樣的一個立場將來有可能在這個立法的草案的推動的進程大概是怎麼樣呢?\n我們的規劃小組現在當然也在參考歐盟已經公布的這個AI的法案那台灣的過去在制定相關的法案的時候其實非常注重我們經濟的發展但是現在身為一個已經比較進步的一個國家我覺得在保護人權的部分\n也要關注所以目前的討論我們會兩者兼具就是說對於人權對於隱私的這個保護以及產業的發展我們希望兩者可以相輔相成所以主委的意思是說我們要先有一個指引然後再比較統合一些意見跟共識然後再來做立法那今年年底有可能這個草案會出來嗎\n兼職\n主委您自己本身也來自我們的教育界之前其實在受訪的時候您有說\n議員吳誠文列席報告議員吳誠文列席報告議員\n議員吳誠文列席報告議員吳誠文列席報告\n後來就沒了那這個部分是不是在科技上就是在學系上面會不會因為AI的風潮然後反而讓一些所謂的跟人文相關的一些科系這個資源上的這個變成變成比較沒有那麼的平均啊那這個部分其實是我們有一點擔心的這個您怎麼看呢\n我非常同意委員的看法其實我個人也是很關注這個議題我希望說利用台灣科技的優勢可以來協助傳統的甚至11住行、娛樂各行各業都能夠善用AI的工具來協助他們轉型而且也可以留住人才\n除了要流出人才其實這些科系還是有必要性的一個存在啦那只是說在這樣子的一個轉型的部分比方說我們剛剛看到一些像電視啦網路行銷啦或者是商務啦觀光英語啦或者是餐飲啦像類似這樣子或者是一般的所謂的文學院或商學院它怎麼樣跟AI這個部分來做結合或者是怎麼樣來做\n委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任\n公務委員吳誠文列席報告業務概況．\n其實我們比較擔心的是因為這個一窩蜂的AI啦反而會讓原本他們比方說我剛剛講的那些人文科系的一些學校因為招不到學生反而會停招這個也是將來有可能會碰到的面臨的一個問題這是真的就是活生生的會出現在這個教育界當中那這個部分可能我們也是要再來做更進一步的一個研究\n第三個問題其實我想要問到的是當然這個其實我們必須說也非常的肯定啦這個國科會對於所謂的這個女性朋友的一個福利啦其實世界上有許多國家正在面臨所謂的這個性別比較比例不均的一個狀況啦\n公布了111年度性別分析的報告投入所謂的科技產業的男女的比例上其實還是3比1\n委員會主任委員長\n就是讓女性能夠進入到高科技產業的一個職場那當然也要幫助他們比方說在育兒的一個部分那我們知道國科會其實在2021年的時候在職場互助教保服務中心這個部分其實也服務了蠻多就是在職的女性那他們的小朋友這兩歲到這個學齡前有這樣子的一個等於是招收在\n請相關人員來回答這個問題。\n是,委員跟您報告一下就是我們國科會教保中心目前是收50個那是依照教育部國教署他訂了一些職域那按照我們的那個規定所以我們現在是50個是因為師生比的關係是訂50個因為最多其實本來應該是可以到60個對不對對,因為我們考慮到我們場地的關係對\n對,所以我們那時候就是一開始規劃的話就是50個那113年的話就按照教育部他有規定為了讓就是幼兒可以得到更好的一個教育所以那個師生比就有調降又再繼續調降\n但是我相信應該需求會更多啦因為我們知道其實在國科會不管是資策會啦公研院啦或者是國研院等等相關的這樣子的一個部門啦我是說應該需求的人其實應該會比較多那你們沒有想要再增設這樣子的一個\n議員提供解釋\n獲得的資料是從50個變48個。因為這個數字也是教育部、國教署合訂給我們的。這個部分我們會努力再跟\n對,因為雖然是以女性員工的子女為主啦那要符合這樣的條件我相信也有很多人在申請啦是\n稍後顧之憂\n主委這邊我認同委員的看法我們會跟教育部來協調看有沒有機會我們來增加一些名額然後增加照顧的人員然後把那個師生筆的部分能夠再符合條件然後讓更多的女性朋友能夠安心的投入我們必須符合法規但是我看看有沒有這個機會有空間可以做好謝謝謝謝主委\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:01.850\n接下來請郭昱晴委員謝謝主席有請主委好有請吳主委主委早安\n\n00:18.547 --> 00:38.983\n我想今天其實我們都聚焦在AI啦那我想人工智慧近年來其實是越來越成熟了那但是其實在使用上或者是在各規範上其實還是需要有一些指引啦包含就是他的名詞的定義啦法律的名詞定義啦那隱私的部分啦還有就是使用的一些\n\n00:39.904 --> 00:40.104\n委員會主任委員會主席\n\n00:54.861 --> 01:22.514\n但是目前為止好像還沒有有一個比較具體的一個共識我想這個歐盟在今年的3月其實他們也通過了所謂的人工的智慧法另外在韓國的部分他們也有智慧資訊化的一個基本法在世界各國其實紛紛在就這個部分來開始立法的時候您覺得台灣應該要站在什麼樣的一個立場將來有可能在這個立法的草案的推動的進程大概是怎麼樣呢?\n\n01:24.011 --> 01:49.708\n我們的規劃小組現在當然也在參考歐盟已經公布的這個AI的法案那台灣的過去在制定相關的法案的時候其實非常注重我們經濟的發展但是現在身為一個已經比較進步的一個國家我覺得在保護人權的部分\n\n01:50.663 --> 02:17.304\n也要關注所以目前的討論我們會兩者兼具就是說對於人權對於隱私的這個保護以及產業的發展我們希望兩者可以相輔相成所以主委的意思是說我們要先有一個指引然後再比較統合一些意見跟共識然後再來做立法那今年年底有可能這個草案會出來嗎\n\n02:18.376 --> 02:18.396\n兼職\n\n02:48.436 --> 02:50.678\n主委您自己本身也來自我們的教育界之前其實在受訪的時候您有說\n\n03:18.477 --> 03:19.198\n議員吳誠文列席報告議員吳誠文列席報告議員\n\n03:48.237 --> 03:49.278\n議員吳誠文列席報告議員吳誠文列席報告\n\n04:11.007 --> 04:32.645\n後來就沒了那這個部分是不是在科技上就是在學系上面會不會因為AI的風潮然後反而讓一些所謂的跟人文相關的一些科系這個資源上的這個變成變成比較沒有那麼的平均啊那這個部分其實是我們有一點擔心的這個您怎麼看呢\n\n04:32.705 --> 04:51.403\n我非常同意委員的看法其實我個人也是很關注這個議題我希望說利用台灣科技的優勢可以來協助傳統的甚至11住行、娛樂各行各業都能夠善用AI的工具來協助他們轉型而且也可以留住人才\n\n04:52.867 --> 05:15.188\n除了要流出人才其實這些科系還是有必要性的一個存在啦那只是說在這樣子的一個轉型的部分比方說我們剛剛看到一些像電視啦網路行銷啦或者是商務啦觀光英語啦或者是餐飲啦像類似這樣子或者是一般的所謂的文學院或商學院它怎麼樣跟AI這個部分來做結合或者是怎麼樣來做\n\n05:16.809 --> 05:17.289\n委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任\n\n05:38.328 --> 05:39.189\n公務委員吳誠文列席報告業務概況．\n\n06:03.712 --> 06:27.285\n其實我們比較擔心的是因為這個一窩蜂的AI啦反而會讓原本他們比方說我剛剛講的那些人文科系的一些學校因為招不到學生反而會停招這個也是將來有可能會碰到的面臨的一個問題這是真的就是活生生的會出現在這個教育界當中那這個部分可能我們也是要再來做更進一步的一個研究\n\n06:29.046 --> 06:47.355\n第三個問題其實我想要問到的是當然這個其實我們必須說也非常的肯定啦這個國科會對於所謂的這個女性朋友的一個福利啦其實世界上有許多國家正在面臨所謂的這個性別比較比例不均的一個狀況啦\n\n06:51.158 --> 07:01.808\n公布了111年度性別分析的報告投入所謂的科技產業的男女的比例上其實還是3比1\n\n07:03.470 --> 07:03.630\n委員會主任委員長\n\n07:18.826 --> 07:46.175\n就是讓女性能夠進入到高科技產業的一個職場那當然也要幫助他們比方說在育兒的一個部分那我們知道國科會其實在2021年的時候在職場互助教保服務中心這個部分其實也服務了蠻多就是在職的女性那他們的小朋友這兩歲到這個學齡前有這樣子的一個等於是招收在\n\n07:46.955 --> 07:47.296\n請相關人員來回答這個問題。\n\n08:01.972 --> 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