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00:01:18,863\n移工70多萬人有企業或是看護工有申請留財久用目前是2萬多人從2萬多人其實我又看到一個問題留財久用產業工差不多52萬有申請是1.6萬家庭看護工24萬申請是1.7萬\n\n5\n00:01:32,512 --> 00:01:56,484\n那你就發現到一個問題就是說我們來自基層很多的這個中小企業他一直在講缺工那有很多這個傳統產業他原本的這個外籍移工他的技術非常純熟之後這個僱主希望他能夠繼續留下來才會有這個移工留才久用這個方案嘛對不對那我看到這個議題這個問題就很嚴重就是說產業\n\n6\n00:02:00,066 --> 00:02:00,847\n我覺得有可能是齁\n\n7\n00:02:22,148 --> 00:02:39,350\n因為家庭看護工喔,他的這個是一對一嘛,然後他的這個替代性比較少,其實他會留下來大家都把他當像家人了,所以會有更多的家庭看護工會希望留下來,他本身希望留下來變台灣人。\n\n8\n00:02:40,071 --> 00:02:40,791\n所以你們到底,因為這個實施幾年啊?其實也才去年\n\n9\n00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:39,008\n前年到現在而已其實才兩年我覺得宣傳不夠啦要擴大到各工業區去宣傳對然後甚至下到這一個我們委員的各選區的這個基層的尤其是中小企業這個層次去宣傳這樣子我記得你們要開始推動這個移工留才久用的這個方案當時我有跟許部長講就是說要到這個基層不論是工會或者是這個工業區甚至\n\n10\n00:03:40,349 --> 00:03:58,143\n一般可能你們自己本身也要有做這樣的一個宣傳這個廣告讓更多的這個中小企業或者是讓雇主知道有這樣的一個方案因為很多人在反映就是說缺工那缺工或者是說在反映說那這個移工\n\n11\n00:03:59,003 --> 00:04:23,813\n他技術很純熟我們希望把他留下來好避免他離開之後又到另外其他國家或者是回到他自己的母國又自己開一間公司來跟原本台灣的這家公司來競爭所以我是覺得說如果有這樣的一個方案看到產業移工他申請的人數反而是比家庭移工還少我覺得這應該是有一些問題所以你們後面後續要怎麼去處理\n\n12\n00:04:29,174 --> 00:04:44,273\n現在已經在各地要成立服務中心對不對?我們請署長來講一下或者是說你們的申請的流程是非常繁瑣非常不容易所以變成說雇主他也不願意去申請\n\n13\n00:04:45,434 --> 00:05:08,081\n對,我跟委員報告因為我們現在移工留宅久用在產業這個部分我們現在加強推動從幾個面向第一個就是剛剛委員提到我們直接深入到工業區跟一些相關的一些地方的一些產業園區那這部分我們現在像類似跟廠協會現在在合作我們會加強在整個在地的那第二個就是說整個流程跟窗口我們現在已經成立了移工留宅久用中心單一窗口\n\n14\n00:05:08,621 --> 00:05:29,809\n也就是一站式服務啦所有的需求只要透過我們這個中心我們就全程來協助那這個目前看起來效果已經慢慢出來那我們會持續來推動那整個程序跟流程跟表現的簡化我們現在都在持續在檢討當中我們跟相關部位我們未來會照樣這個部分所以你們有預計就是說要達到什麼樣的目標嗎\n\n15\n00:05:31,369 --> 00:05:54,864\n其實本來我們在移工流財久用大概就是說以8年來看我們包含資深移工跟就是這個比較年輕移工我們希望能夠達到14萬個流財那目前其實我們都超標了我們大概以目前一年都將近2萬個也就我們預期大概未來我們絕對可以達到我們原來的這個目標值我們會加強來努力其實這個政策是因為\n\n16\n00:05:56,465 --> 00:06:15,337\n之前很多的中小企業一直在反應所以才會有這個移工留才久用這樣的一個方案那既然有這樣的一個方案我也希望你們針對這些中小企業應該要多加的去宣傳讓這些技術純熟的移工真正的能夠留在臺灣因為確實這個對中小企業來講是有一些幫助的\n\n17\n00:06:20,020 --> 00:06:46,711\n另外剛剛有很多的委員也很關心就是比如說我們這個婦女就業或者是中高齡就業的這個議題當然我們希望就是說勞動部針對這一部分確實還有需要再加強就是說婦女她的這個勞參率是偏低的尤其是結婚之後生小孩之後勞參率是偏低的那怎麼樣讓她\n\n18\n00:06:47,871 --> 00:06:47,891\n﹝解釋﹞\n\n19\n00:07:05,651 --> 00:07:26,746\n確實真的還要再加強因為我覺得看了這個一些數據確實是不滿意那在何部長上來之後我相信很多人對你寄予厚望總是新的部長上來有一些新的作為那是不是可以再請部長針對我剛剛講的這個婦女這個就業還有中高齡的這一部分你未來要怎麼加強\n\n20\n00:07:28,607 --> 00:07:44,847\n我用我自身的經歷我覺得到我這個年紀大概差不多就是如果我有生小孩的話現在大概也是應該要之前有在家庭的話大概應該要回歸那事實上因為我覺得婦女大概在中年以後\n\n21\n00:07:45,387 --> 00:07:46,929\n我一個就是說我想要推動這個育嬰留庭跟照顧留庭\n\n22\n00:08:04,646 --> 00:08:21,781\n我們照顧留庭包括大家委員關切的照顧假這些事情我們大家未來再研議另外就是說未來移工是不是可以進入長照體系來做一個補充式的服務然後幫助婦女能夠把更多的從照顧責任能夠把它做一點緩解這樣子\n\n23\n00:08:28,326 --> 00:08:43,332\n今天確實有很多問題想要問我們希望說部長可以針對缺工的這個議題各產業都有這個缺工的聲音所以你要怎麼樣再去聽到各產業缺工那你們要怎麼去解決\n\n24\n00:08:44,392 --> 00:09:02,164\n當然就是說很多人在跟我反映這個傳統產業缺工旅宿業餐飲業缺工好像聽到好像到處都在缺工所以怎麼樣去解決這個議題那我覺得說其實這個也不是勞動部一個人可以去解決應該也要去跨部會很多\n\n25\n00:09:05,346 --> 00:09:20,596\n有的我們講說很多這個年輕人也許可以從國中甚至高中可以就有建教合作的方式這個缺工也許可以這樣子慢慢來解決我覺得這個應該也是要一個跨部會的去合作\n\n26\n00:09:22,137 --> 00:09:49,334\n我舉個例,像旅宿業缺工喊得很大聲啦那其實是跟交通部我們必須一起解決可是我也要在這裡強調缺工不能等於低薪啦所以我覺得就是說你這個缺工要先從提升本土勞參率勞動就業開始然後是在不足的情況下我們才去引進移工那麼引進移工的時候我們也要同時重視你的薪水到底是多少\n\n27\n00:09:50,534 --> 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所以你們有預計就是說要達到什麼樣的目標嗎\n331369\t354864\t其實本來我們在移工流財久用大概就是說以8年來看我們包含資深移工跟就是這個比較年輕移工我們希望能夠達到14萬個流財那目前其實我們都超標了我們大概以目前一年都將近2萬個也就我們預期大概未來我們絕對可以達到我們原來的這個目標值我們會加強來努力其實這個政策是因為\n356465\t375337\t之前很多的中小企業一直在反應所以才會有這個移工留才久用這樣的一個方案那既然有這樣的一個方案我也希望你們針對這些中小企業應該要多加的去宣傳讓這些技術純熟的移工真正的能夠留在臺灣因為確實這個對中小企業來講是有一些幫助的\n380020\t406711\t另外剛剛有很多的委員也很關心就是比如說我們這個婦女就業或者是中高齡就業的這個議題當然我們希望就是說勞動部針對這一部分確實還有需要再加強就是說婦女她的這個勞參率是偏低的尤其是結婚之後生小孩之後勞參率是偏低的那怎麼樣讓她\n407871\t407891\t﹝解釋﹞\n425651\t446746\t確實真的還要再加強因為我覺得看了這個一些數據確實是不滿意那在何部長上來之後我相信很多人對你寄予厚望總是新的部長上來有一些新的作為那是不是可以再請部長針對我剛剛講的這個婦女這個就業還有中高齡的這一部分你未來要怎麼加強\n448607\t464847\t我用我自身的經歷我覺得到我這個年紀大概差不多就是如果我有生小孩的話現在大概也是應該要之前有在家庭的話大概應該要回歸那事實上因為我覺得婦女大概在中年以後\n465387\t466929\t我一個就是說我想要推動這個育嬰留庭跟照顧留庭\n484646\t501781\t我們照顧留庭包括大家委員關切的照顧假這些事情我們大家未來再研議另外就是說未來移工是不是可以進入長照體系來做一個補充式的服務然後幫助婦女能夠把更多的從照顧責任能夠把它做一點緩解這樣子\n508326\t523332\t今天確實有很多問題想要問我們希望說部長可以針對缺工的這個議題各產業都有這個缺工的聲音所以你要怎麼樣再去聽到各產業缺工那你們要怎麼去解決\n524392\t542164\t當然就是說很多人在跟我反映這個傳統產業缺工旅宿業餐飲業缺工好像聽到好像到處都在缺工所以怎麼樣去解決這個議題那我覺得說其實這個也不是勞動部一個人可以去解決應該也要去跨部會很多\n545346\t560596\t有的我們講說很多這個年輕人也許可以從國中甚至高中可以就有建教合作的方式這個缺工也許可以這樣子慢慢來解決我覺得這個應該也是要一個跨部會的去合作\n562137\t589334\t我舉個例,像旅宿業缺工喊得很大聲啦那其實是跟交通部我們必須一起解決可是我也要在這裡強調缺工不能等於低薪啦所以我覺得就是說你這個缺工要先從提升本土勞參率勞動就業開始然後是在不足的情況下我們才去引進移工那麼引進移工的時候我們也要同時重視你的薪水到底是多少\n590534\t614876\t對,因為這個東西是我們跟交通部現在目前在討論的重點我們希望他能夠把薪水能夠提高一些啦不要一直用低薪,因為你去低薪的話你無論是本土或是移工其實都很難請啦其實前禮拜一的時候國宴那我們在那個餐廳裡面我們就看到很多是這個大學餐飲科的學生\n616297\t640366\t那他有這個機會來服務其實他也覺得說是很難得的一個經驗那其實我也看到很多比如說高職學生他要升到大學他有的是用這種產學合作的方式那這方面其實也可以減少一些這個增加就業機會然後又可以減少這個缺工的這個問題啦所以我希望說勞動部應該也要主動然後跨部會的來協調\n643707\t643847\t謝謝我們的黃委員發言\n","txt":"謝謝主席。我們請何部長。請何部長。黃委員好。謝謝。何部長今天算是你第一次到委員會來備詢。當然很多委員針對勞動部的一些業務對你有很大的一個期許。尤其是年改的這個議題還有缺工這個議題。\n其實勞動部的這個所有的業務都跟所有勞工息息相關而且勞工你們的一舉一動所有的政策其實所有勞工都看在眼裡所以我今天先就叫我們這個何部長有關這個缺工的這個議題\n那當然就是現在我們整個社會高齡化、少子化這個問題真的是還蠻嚴重的所以我們勞動部在幾年前就有針對這個缺工的這個議題有提出一個流採酒用的這個方案那我看到這個實施了幾年之後我看到有這個流採酒全部全台灣的這個\n移工70多萬人有企業或是看護工有申請留財久用目前是2萬多人從2萬多人其實我又看到一個問題留財久用產業工差不多52萬有申請是1.6萬家庭看護工24萬申請是1.7萬\n那你就發現到一個問題就是說我們來自基層很多的這個中小企業他一直在講缺工那有很多這個傳統產業他原本的這個外籍移工他的技術非常純熟之後這個僱主希望他能夠繼續留下來才會有這個移工留才久用這個方案嘛對不對那我看到這個議題這個問題就很嚴重就是說產業\n我覺得有可能是齁\n因為家庭看護工喔,他的這個是一對一嘛,然後他的這個替代性比較少,其實他會留下來大家都把他當像家人了,所以會有更多的家庭看護工會希望留下來,他本身希望留下來變台灣人。\n所以你們到底,因為這個實施幾年啊?其實也才去年\n前年到現在而已其實才兩年我覺得宣傳不夠啦要擴大到各工業區去宣傳對然後甚至下到這一個我們委員的各選區的這個基層的尤其是中小企業這個層次去宣傳這樣子我記得你們要開始推動這個移工留才久用的這個方案當時我有跟許部長講就是說要到這個基層不論是工會或者是這個工業區甚至\n一般可能你們自己本身也要有做這樣的一個宣傳這個廣告讓更多的這個中小企業或者是讓雇主知道有這樣的一個方案因為很多人在反映就是說缺工那缺工或者是說在反映說那這個移工\n他技術很純熟我們希望把他留下來好避免他離開之後又到另外其他國家或者是回到他自己的母國又自己開一間公司來跟原本台灣的這家公司來競爭所以我是覺得說如果有這樣的一個方案看到產業移工他申請的人數反而是比家庭移工還少我覺得這應該是有一些問題所以你們後面後續要怎麼去處理\n現在已經在各地要成立服務中心對不對?我們請署長來講一下或者是說你們的申請的流程是非常繁瑣非常不容易所以變成說雇主他也不願意去申請\n對,我跟委員報告因為我們現在移工留宅久用在產業這個部分我們現在加強推動從幾個面向第一個就是剛剛委員提到我們直接深入到工業區跟一些相關的一些地方的一些產業園區那這部分我們現在像類似跟廠協會現在在合作我們會加強在整個在地的那第二個就是說整個流程跟窗口我們現在已經成立了移工留宅久用中心單一窗口\n也就是一站式服務啦 所有的需求只要透過我們這個中心 我們就全程來協助 那這個目前看起來效果已經慢慢出來 那我們會持續來推動 那整個程序跟流程跟表現的簡化 我們現在都在持續在檢討當中 我們跟相關部位我們未來會照樣這個部分 所以你們有預計就是說要達到什麼樣的目標嗎\n其實本來我們在移工流財久用大概就是說以8年來看我們包含資深移工跟就是這個比較年輕移工我們希望能夠達到14萬個流財那目前其實我們都超標了我們大概以目前一年都將近2萬個也就我們預期大概未來我們絕對可以達到我們原來的這個目標值我們會加強來努力其實這個政策是因為\n之前很多的中小企業一直在反應所以才會有這個移工留才久用這樣的一個方案那既然有這樣的一個方案我也希望你們針對這些中小企業應該要多加的去宣傳讓這些技術純熟的移工真正的能夠留在臺灣因為確實這個對中小企業來講是有一些幫助的\n另外剛剛有很多的委員也很關心就是比如說我們這個婦女就業或者是中高齡就業的這個議題當然我們希望就是說勞動部針對這一部分確實還有需要再加強就是說婦女她的這個勞參率是偏低的尤其是結婚之後生小孩之後勞參率是偏低的那怎麼樣讓她\n﹝解釋﹞\n確實真的還要再加強因為我覺得看了這個一些數據確實是不滿意那在何部長上來之後我相信很多人對你寄予厚望總是新的部長上來有一些新的作為那是不是可以再請部長針對我剛剛講的這個婦女這個就業還有中高齡的這一部分你未來要怎麼加強\n我用我自身的經歷我覺得到我這個年紀大概差不多就是如果我有生小孩的話現在大概也是應該要之前有在家庭的話大概應該要回歸那事實上因為我覺得婦女大概在中年以後\n我一個就是說我想要推動這個育嬰留庭跟照顧留庭\n我們照顧留庭包括大家委員關切的照顧假這些事情我們大家未來再研議另外就是說未來移工是不是可以進入長照體系來做一個補充式的服務然後幫助婦女能夠把更多的從照顧責任能夠把它做一點緩解這樣子\n今天確實有很多問題想要問我們希望說部長可以針對缺工的這個議題各產業都有這個缺工的聲音所以你要怎麼樣再去聽到各產業缺工那你們要怎麼去解決\n當然就是說很多人在跟我反映這個傳統產業缺工旅宿業餐飲業缺工好像聽到好像到處都在缺工所以怎麼樣去解決這個議題那我覺得說其實這個也不是勞動部一個人可以去解決應該也要去跨部會很多\n有的我們講說很多這個年輕人也許可以從國中甚至高中可以就有建教合作的方式這個缺工也許可以這樣子慢慢來解決我覺得這個應該也是要一個跨部會的去合作\n我舉個例,像旅宿業缺工喊得很大聲啦那其實是跟交通部我們必須一起解決可是我也要在這裡強調缺工不能等於低薪啦所以我覺得就是說你這個缺工要先從提升本土勞參率勞動就業開始然後是在不足的情況下我們才去引進移工那麼引進移工的時候我們也要同時重視你的薪水到底是多少\n對,因為這個東西是我們跟交通部現在目前在討論的重點我們希望他能夠把薪水能夠提高一些啦不要一直用低薪,因為你去低薪的話你無論是本土或是移工其實都很難請啦其實前禮拜一的時候國宴那我們在那個餐廳裡面我們就看到很多是這個大學餐飲科的學生\n那他有這個機會來服務其實他也覺得說是很難得的一個經驗那其實我也看到很多比如說高職學生他要升到大學他有的是用這種產學合作的方式那這方面其實也可以減少一些這個增加就業機會然後又可以減少這個缺工的這個問題啦所以我希望說勞動部應該也要主動然後跨部會的來協調\n謝謝我們的黃委員發言\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.480 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