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--> 00:01:31,770\n禮拜合訂了近億元的預算只為了幾個月的臨時計劃這個部分可不可以請主委再做個瞭解因為在前三處的科技辦公室要求國研院提了一個113年台灣的可信任生存式AI語言\n\n6\n00:01:32,731 --> 00:01:53,037\n大語言模型精進與素養能力的推動計劃短期計劃早就安排審議會議為什麼要趕在上班日前將預算全部用完?有什麼理由要這麼趕嗎?經議員的補助不能留待您上任再決定嗎?所以是不是\n\n7\n00:01:54,577 --> 00:02:21,333\n如昨天那個我不太確定是部長昨天的文化部我不知道是他們部長知不知道某一些狀況可是昨天竟然在現場本席就碰到一些狀況所以本席覺得有必要提醒您那我相信許多部會首長讓我們有耳目一新的感覺但是我想每一些單位可能都有一些東西需要你們做一個整理所以\n\n8\n00:02:22,353 --> 00:02:49,210\n今天一整天大家都在談AI就像您昨天講的我們國家的政策如果是對人民有益我們通通都支持但是今天也有很多人討論我們不能以AI為名去影響到跟跨越到很多的不應該的界限所以我想了解這個事情的來龍去脈這個流程到底出了什麼問題所以我想這個部分是不是待會大家再一起回答如果有時間的話\n\n9\n00:02:50,291 --> 00:03:16,414\n所以我這邊要求如果這個案子本身有一些問題在您的檢視下那應該要送到法務部檢查局還有調查局跟那個原證署那要一起來檢視這件事情我不會了解一下是的那不知道是圖利的程度還是賭值好那第二個部分呢國研院這個科技中心感覺好像\n\n10\n00:04:03,203 --> 00:04:27,255\n推動中心專案計劃。我們一聽到什麼中心專案計劃這都很容易讓人家聯想到一些某一些平台那這個平台裡面有太多的可能性所以這個部分這個計劃也請主委這邊了解那麼113年台灣可信任生成式的AI大員模型精進與素養能力這是我剛才講的都是很大的案子那另外\n\n11\n00:04:28,015 --> 00:04:47,798\n在民生公共物聯網的數據應用及產業開展計劃和邁向智慧國家決策支援暨科技計劃推動諮詢這些感覺很像軟性的東西這兩個計劃裡面分包的情形有沒有如所規定的\n\n12\n00:04:49,127 --> 00:05:13,923\n一樣也是請主委檢視然後給我一個專案報告或者是主委到我辦公室來好好的我們再溝通一下當然昨天我們的共通性我相信這一次的內閣大概把所有的相關的委員的資料都讀得很好所以也都投其所好的來做相關的一個溝通\n\n13\n00:05:15,464 --> 00:05:29,166\n我想主委這邊也知道一些問題不是說只有在你的單位組織裡面所以我相信主委應該是有這個能力而且還有這樣子的一個公平性能夠去處理本席這邊所提出來的疑慮\n\n14\n00:05:33,028 --> 00:05:47,417\n學術倫理有別的學術倫理在公部門的部分常常是公家的一些研究的成果會成為個人的發表\n\n15\n00:05:48,459 --> 00:06:09,159\n那這個部分我想可以再更省慎的做一個檢討那基本上也給學界樹立一個比較好的風範當然我們知道這個國研院也擔任了很多國科會的一個相關的連結支撐跟計畫的一些補助執行那所以這個部分你們怎麼做\n\n16\n00:06:10,540 --> 00:06:11,201\n議員吳誠文列席報告議員吳誠文列席報告議員吳誠文列席報告議員\n\n17\n00:06:38,587 --> 00:06:54,430\n您們可以同問同答那補助跟執行單位有沒有把關因為其他的部會可能會出現一些可能不是內容性上的問題但是在發報出去的過程當中或者是執行的\n\n18\n00:06:55,551 --> 00:07:04,274\n當中那出現了一些不太嚴謹的行政作業流程跟行政的執行那這個請主委是會比較細但是當然您管的是很多的大政策跟策略可是很多的細節裡面藏了魔鬼所以但是這中間的細節會讓整個計劃執行變得掉所以我們都期待您的大政策大方向\n\n19\n00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:20,220\n解凍案7案\n\n20\n00:07:36,110 --> 00:07:38,091\n您是否也檢視一下110年的科技創新政策研議與支援促進計劃?\n\n21\n00:07:56,398 --> 00:08:15,223\n到112年的邁向智慧國家決策支援及科技計劃推動諮詢。我想請您親自查詢掛名的人員裡面有沒有在國科會工作但是在其他單位領津貼的狀況。所以以上的幾點如果\n\n22\n00:08:22,062 --> 00:08:25,029\n主委這邊檢視了那覺得有這個必要\n\n23\n00:08:27,438 --> 00:08:55,936\n檢察官、調查局、廉政署我希望來共同了解到底這是在什麼樣一個層次貪污、圖利、賭職這個部分今天絕對不是針對主委但是您剛接了有一些讓外界感覺打假球的狀況我一直對研究的單位抱有很大的一個寄望我期待研究單位可以做我們的一個典範\n\n24\n00:08:57,530 --> 00:09:17,277\n但這些細節在行政的處理上有的時候可能就會導引整個的計劃跟成果或者是推動的方向會失去了它的整體的動能是同意委員委員剛剛提到幾個包含大型計劃的核電還有我們的\n\n25\n00:09:21,438 --> 00:09:35,085\n國研院科證中心在處理外包案還有學術倫理等等這幾個議題我們會再整理我了解一下然後再整理然後專門到委員辦公室跟您報告\n\n26\n00:09:37,200 --> 00:10:00,501\n謝謝主委,在我的辦公室其實我們還可以繼續就昨天講的議題做進一步的討論以本席跟您的交流的結果我相信有很多的細節我們都知道它是導致最後成果很重要的環節所以我們希望您能夠好好的徹查這些事情\n\n27\n00:10:02,802 --> 00:10:22,153\n謝謝您剛到昨天也感謝這個會議院同仁讓我們有機會做一個交流那未來我們會就交流部分跟專業的一個討論那我們也希望透過您讓國科會的招牌再重新打亮好謝謝謝謝好那您也知道是原住民所以最後還是對您講一句謝謝\n\n28\n00:10:28,936 --> 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