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00:00:44,965\n今年科技預算編列1570億,明年國科會預計在科技預算要擴大編列到1800億但是國科會在科技佈局投入最多的部分是金狀台灣接近有60億第二個是太空科技的部分也有47億多\n\n4\n00:01:01,937 --> 00:01:29,074\n但是近年科技與AI的發展這個合起來只有11億多請問卓偉重點布局的預算投入我們在接下來會不會調整例如卓偉您昨天提到的就是產業的數位轉型近年排放或是AI這個部分您都非常的關心還有就是像您關心的運動科技預算的部分會不會調整這個不到1%的預算\n\n5\n00:01:33,087 --> 00:02:00,486\n報告委員近年科技其實現在我們有部分其實相當的這個能量是在中央研究院是在有關這個科技的研究的部分那產業的發展的部分其實不一定是在科技預算在我們的那個經濟部其實有相當的能量那我們是通力合作希望能夠朝這個目標前進但是如果民間的\n\n6\n00:02:01,246 --> 00:02:05,470\n所以說主管的意思是說對於這個預算的這個占比的調整還是會做一些相關的因應?將來可以做一些調整\n\n7\n00:02:17,182 --> 00:02:34,407\n疫病二其實要提醒國科會我們2050年進行排放在即那目前的技術都還在這個基礎的研究的階段還沒有辦法跟產業這個來互相運用所以說再加上說AI的發展是科技的趨勢但是畢竟我們的預算還是有限的\n\n8\n00:02:34,747 --> 00:02:58,798\n所以在整個的預算的占比的調整也希望國會會這邊要妥善的來做一個分布那這邊請教主委賴清德總統在5月20的時候宣示台灣將進入太空以及發展低軌衛星那國會會這邊也說會加速推動太空科技包括低軌通訊衛星、陸軌火箭、太空產業鏈以及人才的培育\n\n9\n00:03:01,099 --> 00:03:09,324\n國會從2019年開始推動為期10年的國家太空科技發展長程計劃總經費有250億元預計要發展共10枚的衛星到現在是執行的到第6年了在這邊要請教主委目前我們衛星建置的進度這10枚的衛星是不是都完成了還有我們發射場域目前這個選址的進度什麼時候這個發射場可以建置完成來發射衛星\n\n10\n00:03:28,598 --> 00:03:51,985\n委員可以允許我們太空中心主任來回答報告委員我們大概衛星有三個大面向一個是光學的遙測一個是合成空間雷達一個是低軌道通訊衛星然後第一個大概光學就浮會8號大概明年明年大概就會第一顆上去的總共會有8顆是完全還是上去打上去打上去\n\n11\n00:03:53,065 --> 00:04:15,865\n發射到軌道明年就會發射是明年就可以發射?對,然後是每一年至少會一顆所以我們預定到2031把8顆全部打上去然後在2728的時候是合成孔徑雷達合成孔徑雷達就是它可以穿透雲層半夜可以拍的那種衛星然後低軌道通訊衛星還是現在逐步在建置當中以上那我們的發射場址的選址的進度呢?報告委員那個發射場址是\n\n12\n00:04:23,310 --> 00:04:48,397\n的方式現在進入第二個階段所以我們現在跟各個地方政府像花蓮像台東像屏東這個縣政府昨天才到台東縣政府跟他們副縣長來說明然後我們的相關長職我們自己預計的時程呢預計在三階段是到年底的時候今年年底今年年底那選址如果確認了之後呢我們建制的作業大概要多久\n\n13\n00:04:49,093 --> 00:05:12,347\n我們建置的作業那就是工電計畫要預算我們大概是兩到三年的時間要建置這個場域將它設置完成因為我們今年已經是計畫執行的第六年了所以在後續我們的時間其實也非常的緊迫在這個部分也希望說你們加快你們的腳步該去進行的該去做溝通的還是我們該去推動的這個部分也希望說你們這邊可以盡快的來完成這個進度\n\n14\n00:05:15,669 --> 00:05:34,005\n那再請教喔在火箭的研發方面呢去年逢甲大學有成功發射的單節混合式的小型的科研火箭那請問今年我們有沒有火箭試射的計畫喔逢甲大學理論上今年要發射今年對我想逢甲大學淡江大學他們大概今年都會\n\n15\n00:05:35,146 --> 00:05:58,288\n都會發生。都有這樣的計畫。那請問關於入軌火箭的計畫目前執行的進度是什麼樣?因為是去年才啟動。現在很多持續在進行。進行一些引擎測試還有相關的東西的建置。大概我們預定是2028開始會做次軌道的飛試。希望在2030年可以大概一支到兩支的入軌火箭的展示。以上。\n\n16\n00:05:59,738 --> 00:06:24,309\n好謝謝你的回答其實國科會在太空科技投入預算是在重點布局的第二高民眾也都非常關心我們國家在太空科技技術的發展所以這邊本期希望說國科會跟太空中心要落實社會溝通我們定期的公布相關計畫的進度半年或是三個月我們就是定期的來公布讓民眾很關心的民眾可以了解說相關的資訊這個部分請國科會這邊來努力好謝謝委員\n\n17\n00:06:27,290 --> 00:06:31,811\n接下來要請教主委關於AI的應用因應我們世界AI技術的趨勢國科會這邊也啟動TiDE計劃要堅持可以應用在繁體中文適合台灣使用的生成式AI今日國科會也公布了TiDE經過一年的訓練是可以用台語跟英語來對話甚至還可以快速生成立委諮詢稿\n\n18\n00:06:53,836 --> 00:07:00,561\n本席就按電腦的規格適用了兩個版本的TED跟CHAT-GDP來做比較有發現一些問題首先我們看頭影片這個是像CHAT-GDP的提問2024五月二十之後台灣總統是誰那他的回答是賴清德總統那也大概有回答出去年選舉的狀況還有我們賴總統的立場只是在語句上不是很通順因為在CHAT-GDP它的語言模型在我們使用的時候是需要轉譯的\n\n19\n00:07:22,435 --> 00:07:22,455\n﹝提問﹞\n\n20\n00:07:53,936 --> 00:08:01,438\n﹗2023年9月以後發生的事情要自行去找最新的資料。也就是說這個版本的態度在沒有辦法回答2023年9月以後的事情。第二個版本是本席向國科會這邊詢問說可以生成立委質詢稿的這個版本。但是主委你也看到這個版本的回覆比剛剛的有更大的問題。\n\n21\n00:08:15,103 --> 00:08:40,371\n因為他回答說2024五月二十以後的台灣總統是現任總統蔡英文這是非常大的錯誤喔那本席接著問他說那最新一次你們更新資料庫的時間呢他沒有辦法回答說具體的時間但是他有說啦他有回答涵蓋截至2021年九月為止的廣泛主題就是說在這之後的事情他是沒有辦法回答的也沒辦法問那除了你覺得這態的這樣的表現你是滿意的嗎\n\n22\n00:08:47,808 --> 00:08:55,253\n報告委員因為這個態度是人工智慧人工智慧絕對不可能有委員的智慧所以他只是一個工具\n\n23\n00:08:57,560 --> 00:09:13,238\n其實這樣子的一個這個能工智慧說是這個AI的這個應用是你給他越多資料你越使用他他會越正確所以表示說你們資料沒有更新從2023年9月到現在超過半年了你們沒有資訊更新進去他當然就沒有辦法給正確的答案是我們會檢討我們會改善\n\n24\n00:09:17,202 --> 00:09:20,405\n提供的都沒有所以這個資料庫你們有沒有制定一個定期的更新的目標目標\n\n25\n00:09:38,078 --> 00:09:57,098\n報告委員,我們這個TED其實它不是一個通用型的對話引擎我們那時候在公布的時候這個TED的發展是五大目標寫文章、寫信、摘要、英翻中跟中翻英它最主要用途目前公布的是五大用途這樣子那未來我們怎麼樣來參考委員的意見怎麼樣來精進這樣子\n\n26\n00:10:18,385 --> 00:10:19,226\n報告委員我也有點失望,我們一定要改善。\n\n27\n00:10:41,027 --> 00:11:04,462\n好那主委您承諾了這個部分的你們盡快的來做就是相關資料的更新我們要越多的更新資料更新進去給他越多越龐大的訊息他才能提供正確的資訊給這個使用者那因為我時間也到了其實後面還蠻多要問的那我在你們有時間的話我請你盡快排到我辦公室我們來討論後續的這些\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6583\t8424\t有請吳成文主委委員好\n16433\t41703\t歡迎吳主委上任也期待吳主委帶領我們國家的科技發展能夠持續地領先在世界的前段班昨天呢國科會這邊有舉辦媒體見面會那主委也有提到說一些未來的展望包括推動產業數位轉型淨零排放AI研發等等的這些應用那都是現在台灣科技發展的重中之重\n42463\t44965\t今年科技預算編列1570億,明年國科會預計在科技預算要擴大編列到1800億但是國科會在科技佈局投入最多的部分是金狀台灣接近有60億第二個是太空科技的部分也有47億多\n61937\t89074\t但是近年科技與AI的發展這個合起來只有11億多請問卓偉重點布局的預算投入我們在接下來會不會調整例如卓偉您昨天提到的就是產業的數位轉型近年排放或是AI這個部分您都非常的關心還有就是像您關心的運動科技預算的部分會不會調整這個不到1%的預算\n93087\t120486\t報告委員近年科技其實現在我們有部分其實相當的這個能量是在中央研究院是在有關這個科技的研究的部分那產業的發展的部分其實不一定是在科技預算在我們的那個經濟部其實有相當的能量那我們是通力合作希望能夠朝這個目標前進但是如果民間的\n121246\t125470\t所以說主管的意思是說對於這個預算的這個占比的調整還是會做一些相關的因應?將來可以做一些調整\n137182\t154407\t疫病二其實要提醒國科會我們2050年進行排放在即那目前的技術都還在這個基礎的研究的階段還沒有辦法跟產業這個來互相運用所以說再加上說AI的發展是科技的趨勢但是畢竟我們的預算還是有限的\n154747\t178798\t所以在整個的預算的占比的調整也希望國會會這邊要妥善的來做一個分布那這邊請教主委賴清德總統在5月20的時候宣示台灣將進入太空以及發展低軌衛星那國會會這邊也說會加速推動太空科技包括低軌通訊衛星、陸軌火箭、太空產業鏈以及人才的培育\n181099\t189324\t國會從2019年開始推動為期10年的國家太空科技發展長程計劃總經費有250億元預計要發展共10枚的衛星到現在是執行的到第6年了在這邊要請教主委目前我們衛星建置的進度這10枚的衛星是不是都完成了還有我們發射場域目前這個選址的進度什麼時候這個發射場可以建置完成來發射衛星\n208598\t231985\t委員可以允許我們太空中心主任來回答報告委員我們大概衛星有三個大面向一個是光學的遙測一個是合成空間雷達一個是低軌道通訊衛星然後第一個大概光學就浮會8號大概明年明年大概就會第一顆上去的總共會有8顆是完全還是上去打上去打上去\n233065\t255865\t發射到軌道明年就會發射是明年就可以發射?對,然後是每一年至少會一顆所以我們預定到2031把8顆全部打上去然後在2728的時候是合成孔徑雷達合成孔徑雷達就是它可以穿透雲層半夜可以拍的那種衛星然後低軌道通訊衛星還是現在逐步在建置當中以上那我們的發射場址的選址的進度呢?報告委員那個發射場址是\n263310\t288397\t的方式現在進入第二個階段所以我們現在跟各個地方政府像花蓮像台東像屏東這個縣政府昨天才到台東縣政府跟他們副縣長來說明然後我們的相關長職我們自己預計的時程呢預計在三階段是到年底的時候今年年底今年年底那選址如果確認了之後呢我們建制的作業大概要多久\n289093\t312347\t我們建置的作業那就是工電計畫要預算我們大概是兩到三年的時間要建置這個場域將它設置完成因為我們今年已經是計畫執行的第六年了所以在後續我們的時間其實也非常的緊迫在這個部分也希望說你們加快你們的腳步該去進行的該去做溝通的還是我們該去推動的這個部分也希望說你們這邊可以盡快的來完成這個進度\n315669\t334005\t那再請教喔在火箭的研發方面呢去年逢甲大學有成功發射的單節混合式的小型的科研火箭那請問今年我們有沒有火箭試射的計畫喔逢甲大學理論上今年要發射今年對我想逢甲大學淡江大學他們大概今年都會\n335146\t358288\t都會發生。都有這樣的計畫。那請問關於入軌火箭的計畫目前執行的進度是什麼樣?因為是去年才啟動。現在很多持續在進行。進行一些引擎測試還有相關的東西的建置。大概我們預定是2028開始會做次軌道的飛試。希望在2030年可以大概一支到兩支的入軌火箭的展示。以上。\n359738\t384309\t好謝謝你的回答其實國科會在太空科技投入預算是在重點布局的第二高民眾也都非常關心我們國家在太空科技技術的發展所以這邊本期希望說國科會跟太空中心要落實社會溝通我們定期的公布相關計畫的進度半年或是三個月我們就是定期的來公布讓民眾很關心的民眾可以了解說相關的資訊這個部分請國科會這邊來努力好謝謝委員\n387290\t391811\t接下來要請教主委關於AI的應用因應我們世界AI技術的趨勢國科會這邊也啟動TiDE計劃要堅持可以應用在繁體中文適合台灣使用的生成式AI今日國科會也公布了TiDE經過一年的訓練是可以用台語跟英語來對話甚至還可以快速生成立委諮詢稿\n413836\t420561\t本席就按電腦的規格適用了兩個版本的TED跟CHAT-GDP來做比較有發現一些問題首先我們看頭影片這個是像CHAT-GDP的提問2024五月二十之後台灣總統是誰那他的回答是賴清德總統那也大概有回答出去年選舉的狀況還有我們賴總統的立場只是在語句上不是很通順因為在CHAT-GDP它的語言模型在我們使用的時候是需要轉譯的\n442435\t442455\t﹝提問﹞\n473936\t481438\t﹗2023年9月以後發生的事情要自行去找最新的資料。也就是說這個版本的態度在沒有辦法回答2023年9月以後的事情。第二個版本是本席向國科會這邊詢問說可以生成立委質詢稿的這個版本。但是主委你也看到這個版本的回覆比剛剛的有更大的問題。\n495103\t520371\t因為他回答說2024五月二十以後的台灣總統是現任總統蔡英文這是非常大的錯誤喔那本席接著問他說那最新一次你們更新資料庫的時間呢他沒有辦法回答說具體的時間但是他有說啦他有回答涵蓋截至2021年九月為止的廣泛主題就是說在這之後的事情他是沒有辦法回答的也沒辦法問那除了你覺得這態的這樣的表現你是滿意的嗎\n527808\t535253\t報告委員因為這個態度是人工智慧人工智慧絕對不可能有委員的智慧所以他只是一個工具\n537560\t553238\t其實這樣子的一個這個能工智慧說是這個AI的這個應用是你給他越多資料你越使用他他會越正確所以表示說你們資料沒有更新從2023年9月到現在超過半年了你們沒有資訊更新進去他當然就沒有辦法給正確的答案是我們會檢討我們會改善\n557202\t560405\t提供的都沒有所以這個資料庫你們有沒有制定一個定期的更新的目標目標\n578078\t597098\t報告委員,我們這個TED其實它不是一個通用型的對話引擎我們那時候在公布的時候 這個TED的發展是五大目標寫文章、寫信、摘要、英翻中跟中翻英它最主要用途目前公布的是五大用途這樣子那未來我們怎麼樣來參考委員的意見怎麼樣來精進這樣子\n598319\t618285\t﹏﹏﹏\n618385\t619226\t報告委員我也有點失望,我們一定要改善。\n641027\t664462\t好那主委您承諾了這個部分的你們盡快的來做就是相關資料的更新我們要越多的更新資料更新進去給他越多越龐大的訊息他才能提供正確的資訊給這個使用者那因為我時間也到了其實後面還蠻多要問的那我在你們有時間的話我請你盡快排到我辦公室我們來討論後續的這些\n","txt":"有請吳成文主委委員好\n歡迎吳主委上任也期待吳主委帶領我們國家的科技發展能夠持續地領先在世界的前段班昨天呢國科會這邊有舉辦媒體見面會那主委也有提到說一些未來的展望包括推動產業數位轉型淨零排放AI研發等等的這些應用那都是現在台灣科技發展的重中之重\n今年科技預算編列1570億,明年國科會預計在科技預算要擴大編列到1800億但是國科會在科技佈局投入最多的部分是金狀台灣接近有60億第二個是太空科技的部分也有47億多\n但是近年科技與AI的發展這個合起來只有11億多請問卓偉重點布局的預算投入我們在接下來會不會調整例如卓偉您昨天提到的就是產業的數位轉型近年排放或是AI這個部分您都非常的關心還有就是像您關心的運動科技預算的部分會不會調整這個不到1%的預算\n報告委員近年科技其實現在我們有部分其實相當的這個能量是在中央研究院是在有關這個科技的研究的部分那產業的發展的部分其實不一定是在科技預算在我們的那個經濟部其實有相當的能量那我們是通力合作希望能夠朝這個目標前進但是如果民間的\n所以說主管的意思是說對於這個預算的這個占比的調整還是會做一些相關的因應?將來可以做一些調整\n疫病二其實要提醒國科會我們2050年進行排放在即那目前的技術都還在這個基礎的研究的階段還沒有辦法跟產業這個來互相運用所以說再加上說AI的發展是科技的趨勢但是畢竟我們的預算還是有限的\n所以在整個的預算的占比的調整也希望國會會這邊要妥善的來做一個分布那這邊請教主委賴清德總統在5月20的時候宣示台灣將進入太空以及發展低軌衛星那國會會這邊也說會加速推動太空科技包括低軌通訊衛星、陸軌火箭、太空產業鏈以及人才的培育\n國會從2019年開始推動為期10年的國家太空科技發展長程計劃總經費有250億元預計要發展共10枚的衛星到現在是執行的到第6年了在這邊要請教主委目前我們衛星建置的進度這10枚的衛星是不是都完成了還有我們發射場域目前這個選址的進度什麼時候這個發射場可以建置完成來發射衛星\n委員可以允許我們太空中心主任來回答報告委員我們大概衛星有三個大面向一個是光學的遙測一個是合成空間雷達一個是低軌道通訊衛星然後第一個大概光學就浮會8號大概明年明年大概就會第一顆上去的總共會有8顆是完全還是上去打上去打上去\n發射到軌道明年就會發射是明年就可以發射?對,然後是每一年至少會一顆所以我們預定到2031把8顆全部打上去然後在2728的時候是合成孔徑雷達合成孔徑雷達就是它可以穿透雲層半夜可以拍的那種衛星然後低軌道通訊衛星還是現在逐步在建置當中以上那我們的發射場址的選址的進度呢?報告委員那個發射場址是\n的方式現在進入第二個階段所以我們現在跟各個地方政府像花蓮像台東像屏東這個縣政府昨天才到台東縣政府跟他們副縣長來說明然後我們的相關長職我們自己預計的時程呢預計在三階段是到年底的時候今年年底今年年底那選址如果確認了之後呢我們建制的作業大概要多久\n我們建置的作業那就是工電計畫要預算我們大概是兩到三年的時間要建置這個場域將它設置完成因為我們今年已經是計畫執行的第六年了所以在後續我們的時間其實也非常的緊迫在這個部分也希望說你們加快你們的腳步該去進行的該去做溝通的還是我們該去推動的這個部分也希望說你們這邊可以盡快的來完成這個進度\n那再請教喔在火箭的研發方面呢去年逢甲大學有成功發射的單節混合式的小型的科研火箭那請問今年我們有沒有火箭試射的計畫喔逢甲大學理論上今年要發射今年對我想逢甲大學淡江大學他們大概今年都會\n都會發生。都有這樣的計畫。那請問關於入軌火箭的計畫目前執行的進度是什麼樣?因為是去年才啟動。現在很多持續在進行。進行一些引擎測試還有相關的東西的建置。大概我們預定是2028開始會做次軌道的飛試。希望在2030年可以大概一支到兩支的入軌火箭的展示。以上。\n好謝謝你的回答其實國科會在太空科技投入預算是在重點布局的第二高民眾也都非常關心我們國家在太空科技技術的發展所以這邊本期希望說國科會跟太空中心要落實社會溝通我們定期的公布相關計畫的進度半年或是三個月我們就是定期的來公布讓民眾很關心的民眾可以了解說相關的資訊這個部分請國科會這邊來努力好謝謝委員\n接下來要請教主委關於AI的應用因應我們世界AI技術的趨勢國科會這邊也啟動TiDE計劃要堅持可以應用在繁體中文適合台灣使用的生成式AI今日國科會也公布了TiDE經過一年的訓練是可以用台語跟英語來對話甚至還可以快速生成立委諮詢稿\n本席就按電腦的規格適用了兩個版本的TED跟CHAT-GDP來做比較有發現一些問題首先我們看頭影片這個是像CHAT-GDP的提問2024五月二十之後台灣總統是誰那他的回答是賴清德總統那也大概有回答出去年選舉的狀況還有我們賴總統的立場只是在語句上不是很通順因為在CHAT-GDP它的語言模型在我們使用的時候是需要轉譯的\n﹝提問﹞\n﹗2023年9月以後發生的事情要自行去找最新的資料。也就是說這個版本的態度在沒有辦法回答2023年9月以後的事情。第二個版本是本席向國科會這邊詢問說可以生成立委質詢稿的這個版本。但是主委你也看到這個版本的回覆比剛剛的有更大的問題。\n因為他回答說2024五月二十以後的台灣總統是現任總統蔡英文這是非常大的錯誤喔那本席接著問他說那最新一次你們更新資料庫的時間呢他沒有辦法回答說具體的時間但是他有說啦他有回答涵蓋截至2021年九月為止的廣泛主題就是說在這之後的事情他是沒有辦法回答的也沒辦法問那除了你覺得這態的這樣的表現你是滿意的嗎\n報告委員因為這個態度是人工智慧人工智慧絕對不可能有委員的智慧所以他只是一個工具\n其實這樣子的一個這個能工智慧說是這個AI的這個應用是你給他越多資料你越使用他他會越正確所以表示說你們資料沒有更新從2023年9月到現在超過半年了你們沒有資訊更新進去他當然就沒有辦法給正確的答案是我們會檢討我們會改善\n提供的都沒有所以這個資料庫你們有沒有制定一個定期的更新的目標目標\n報告委員,我們這個TED其實它不是一個通用型的對話引擎我們那時候在公布的時候 這個TED的發展是五大目標寫文章、寫信、摘要、英翻中跟中翻英它最主要用途目前公布的是五大用途這樣子那未來我們怎麼樣來參考委員的意見怎麼樣來精進這樣子\n﹏﹏﹏\n報告委員我也有點失望,我們一定要改善。\n好那主委您承諾了這個部分的你們盡快的來做就是相關資料的更新我們要越多的更新資料更新進去給他越多越龐大的訊息他才能提供正確的資訊給這個使用者那因為我時間也到了其實後面還蠻多要問的那我在你們有時間的話我請你盡快排到我辦公室我們來討論後續的這些\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.583 --> 00:08.424\n有請吳成文主委委員好\n\n00:16.433 --> 00:41.703\n歡迎吳主委上任也期待吳主委帶領我們國家的科技發展能夠持續地領先在世界的前段班昨天呢國科會這邊有舉辦媒體見面會那主委也有提到說一些未來的展望包括推動產業數位轉型淨零排放AI研發等等的這些應用那都是現在台灣科技發展的重中之重\n\n00:42.463 --> 00:44.965\n今年科技預算編列1570億,明年國科會預計在科技預算要擴大編列到1800億但是國科會在科技佈局投入最多的部分是金狀台灣接近有60億第二個是太空科技的部分也有47億多\n\n01:01.937 --> 01:29.074\n但是近年科技與AI的發展這個合起來只有11億多請問卓偉重點布局的預算投入我們在接下來會不會調整例如卓偉您昨天提到的就是產業的數位轉型近年排放或是AI這個部分您都非常的關心還有就是像您關心的運動科技預算的部分會不會調整這個不到1%的預算\n\n01:33.087 --> 02:00.486\n報告委員近年科技其實現在我們有部分其實相當的這個能量是在中央研究院是在有關這個科技的研究的部分那產業的發展的部分其實不一定是在科技預算在我們的那個經濟部其實有相當的能量那我們是通力合作希望能夠朝這個目標前進但是如果民間的\n\n02:01.246 --> 02:05.470\n所以說主管的意思是說對於這個預算的這個占比的調整還是會做一些相關的因應?將來可以做一些調整\n\n02:17.182 --> 02:34.407\n疫病二其實要提醒國科會我們2050年進行排放在即那目前的技術都還在這個基礎的研究的階段還沒有辦法跟產業這個來互相運用所以說再加上說AI的發展是科技的趨勢但是畢竟我們的預算還是有限的\n\n02:34.747 --> 02:58.798\n所以在整個的預算的占比的調整也希望國會會這邊要妥善的來做一個分布那這邊請教主委賴清德總統在5月20的時候宣示台灣將進入太空以及發展低軌衛星那國會會這邊也說會加速推動太空科技包括低軌通訊衛星、陸軌火箭、太空產業鏈以及人才的培育\n\n03:01.099 --> 03:09.324\n國會從2019年開始推動為期10年的國家太空科技發展長程計劃總經費有250億元預計要發展共10枚的衛星到現在是執行的到第6年了在這邊要請教主委目前我們衛星建置的進度這10枚的衛星是不是都完成了還有我們發射場域目前這個選址的進度什麼時候這個發射場可以建置完成來發射衛星\n\n03:28.598 --> 03:51.985\n委員可以允許我們太空中心主任來回答報告委員我們大概衛星有三個大面向一個是光學的遙測一個是合成空間雷達一個是低軌道通訊衛星然後第一個大概光學就浮會8號大概明年明年大概就會第一顆上去的總共會有8顆是完全還是上去打上去打上去\n\n03:53.065 --> 04:15.865\n發射到軌道明年就會發射是明年就可以發射?對,然後是每一年至少會一顆所以我們預定到2031把8顆全部打上去然後在2728的時候是合成孔徑雷達合成孔徑雷達就是它可以穿透雲層半夜可以拍的那種衛星然後低軌道通訊衛星還是現在逐步在建置當中以上那我們的發射場址的選址的進度呢?報告委員那個發射場址是\n\n04:23.310 --> 04:48.397\n的方式現在進入第二個階段所以我們現在跟各個地方政府像花蓮像台東像屏東這個縣政府昨天才到台東縣政府跟他們副縣長來說明然後我們的相關長職我們自己預計的時程呢預計在三階段是到年底的時候今年年底今年年底那選址如果確認了之後呢我們建制的作業大概要多久\n\n04:49.093 --> 05:12.347\n我們建置的作業那就是工電計畫要預算我們大概是兩到三年的時間要建置這個場域將它設置完成因為我們今年已經是計畫執行的第六年了所以在後續我們的時間其實也非常的緊迫在這個部分也希望說你們加快你們的腳步該去進行的該去做溝通的還是我們該去推動的這個部分也希望說你們這邊可以盡快的來完成這個進度\n\n05:15.669 --> 05:34.005\n那再請教喔在火箭的研發方面呢去年逢甲大學有成功發射的單節混合式的小型的科研火箭那請問今年我們有沒有火箭試射的計畫喔逢甲大學理論上今年要發射今年對我想逢甲大學淡江大學他們大概今年都會\n\n05:35.146 --> 05:58.288\n都會發生。都有這樣的計畫。那請問關於入軌火箭的計畫目前執行的進度是什麼樣?因為是去年才啟動。現在很多持續在進行。進行一些引擎測試還有相關的東西的建置。大概我們預定是2028開始會做次軌道的飛試。希望在2030年可以大概一支到兩支的入軌火箭的展示。以上。\n\n05:59.738 --> 06:24.309\n好謝謝你的回答其實國科會在太空科技投入預算是在重點布局的第二高民眾也都非常關心我們國家在太空科技技術的發展所以這邊本期希望說國科會跟太空中心要落實社會溝通我們定期的公布相關計畫的進度半年或是三個月我們就是定期的來公布讓民眾很關心的民眾可以了解說相關的資訊這個部分請國科會這邊來努力好謝謝委員\n\n06:27.290 --> 06:31.811\n接下來要請教主委關於AI的應用因應我們世界AI技術的趨勢國科會這邊也啟動TiDE計劃要堅持可以應用在繁體中文適合台灣使用的生成式AI今日國科會也公布了TiDE經過一年的訓練是可以用台語跟英語來對話甚至還可以快速生成立委諮詢稿\n\n06:53.836 --> 07:00.561\n本席就按電腦的規格適用了兩個版本的TED跟CHAT-GDP來做比較有發現一些問題首先我們看頭影片這個是像CHAT-GDP的提問2024五月二十之後台灣總統是誰那他的回答是賴清德總統那也大概有回答出去年選舉的狀況還有我們賴總統的立場只是在語句上不是很通順因為在CHAT-GDP它的語言模型在我們使用的時候是需要轉譯的\n\n07:22.435 --> 07:22.455\n﹝提問﹞\n\n07:53.936 --> 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