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00:00:41,292\n主委,還要再喝一口嗎?沒關係沒關係,真的可以有點時間,還需要嗎?好好好,那我們就繼續,就是說首先非常恭喜這個主委就任,您的經歷非常的豐富,也備受肯定在清大跟成大服務的期間,大家都是戰略有價。當然所以我們對你的期待也是非常非常深,希望可以為我國的科學跟學術發展帶來一個嶄新的氣象。\n\n3\n00:00:43,013 --> 00:01:06,461\n首先我想要請教主委的是說未來是AI的世代新的內閣也不停的提到說像是左院長也有說主行中內閣賴總統就職演說你有提到現在的台灣掌握半導體先進製程技術站在AI革命的中心是全球民主供應鏈的關鍵也影響世界的經濟發展以及人類的幸福\n\n4\n00:01:08,781 --> 00:01:29,087\n昨天主委在受訪的時候也有提到說AI導入全產業除了學界開發技術之外關鍵在於應用落地那陳秉宇副主委就是AI的專家那因為其實像我自己從2022年CheckGPT剛上線的時候我就開始使用我自己是非常的樂中的在使用這個CheckGPT\n\n5\n00:01:30,359 --> 00:01:45,810\n那包括像最近的這個Copilot啊或是我之前也常常用這個Gamma去做的簡報那但是呢我就丟了這個問題為了checkGPT就是說欸AI可以做什麼那它會帶來危害又是什麼\n\n6\n00:01:47,475 --> 00:01:49,355\nAI技術可能導致的問題包含了駭客攻擊、假新聞、虛假信息和網路攻擊。\n\n7\n00:02:15,502 --> 00:02:38,183\n所以就是說AI可能會帶來好處也有壞處所以AI要發展但也需要控管像例如剛剛我問的這些AI可以做什麼它就可以有得到我們有很多不同的一些好處的回答那例如我們現在也知道說這個其實已經應用在許多的教學場域包含剛剛大家也都有提到這個台語學習的機器人\n\n8\n00:02:39,404 --> 00:03:01,178\n但是如果錯誤的使用AI有可能會有負面的問題有譬如說可能會造成詐騙更難的防範或是這個包括它直接像偽造影像啊偽造聲音等等的所以我想請教主委就是說你對於AI可能帶來的影響你的看法是什麼那我們是樂觀呢那還是持平還是我們需要擔憂什麼\n\n9\n00:03:03,112 --> 00:03:22,905\n我們其實同意委員的看法就是他是一個非常重要非常有用的工具但是這個工具可以做好的事情也可以做壞的事情所以一定要有所規範所以我們現在在制定AIG本法的時候我們會兩者兼顧也就是說在保障人權維護我們的安全的狀態之下\n\n10\n00:03:27,708 --> 00:03:27,948\n議員吳誠文列席報告\n\n11\n00:03:57,888 --> 00:04:14,638\n我國先是參考了因每日的做法先有指引才去立法那目前也都已經有做這個今年年主委副主委昨天也有說基本法會在今年底就會出爐了那所以我想確認一下這個時程上面是還是在今年底呢還是你們預計規劃我們再把這時程往前提\n\n12\n00:04:18,355 --> 00:04:43,397\n翻台也有幾位委員也關心這個事情那我們會努力的來提前希望在10月底可以送到行政院10月底齁那這邊我想要插一個題目就是我剛好聽到秀寶委員在網講那個台德GPT這件事情那我也想要再請教一下主委就是說你認為台德中文版跟CHATGPT因為現在大家都在做中文版喔我們台德的競爭優勢到底在哪裡\n\n13\n00:04:47,392 --> 00:05:01,828\n這個好問題當然我們訓練的這個資料很重要但是即使我們建了這個平台它本身是一個平台我們當然鼓勵各行各業來應用它但是應用的時候其實在應用的範圍裡面的資料也很重要\n\n14\n00:05:03,210 --> 00:05:24,410\n需要是一個把它客製化就像人在學習一樣人可以學習不同的專長你要讓他全能很困難我了解我了解但是我只是很好奇就是說我們做的台德GPT這個台德的版本跟CHATGPT跟這麼多的到底競爭力在哪裡我覺得這是非常重要因為我們如果還要持續投資這件事情上我們的獨特性跟差異性\n\n15\n00:05:25,351 --> 00:05:47,542\n這就非常重要,像我們在半導體的製程上也許醫學或是等等的領域可能還是我們應該要發展的重點那這個部分我想我們可以會後再繼續的跟邀請主委來繼續討論好不好那接下來就是回到就是說因為AI是趨勢那AI的這個除了剛剛講的安全控管那它跟超級電腦的算力大有關係就是說\n\n16\n00:05:48,783 --> 00:06:12,003\n我們的算力越高我們的模組的效能就越高現在我們是用台灣32號在運算但是我們應該都非常清楚知道我們的算力從全球排名第20名掉到第86名而且日本跟韓國都積極的在部署而且現在排名都比我們更前面了但是因為這個算力不僅是影響到經濟發展或半導體等等\n\n17\n00:06:12,583 --> 00:06:24,519\n他對於我們的地震、氣候的資訊還有我們的災害因應部署都非常重要所以我非常關心這件事情那我們現在預計在112年底要完成台灣三四號的主機建制\n\n18\n00:06:26,268 --> 00:06:27,950\n可不可以允許我請國防中心主任可以\n\n19\n00:06:55,376 --> 00:07:20,749\n報告委員今年16這只是第一期先期的建制明年會投入另外40億會建一個大概120配搭符號所以今年是完成16還是在今年底的時候完成今年年底的時候年底16然後明年是今年會有一個對會大概120左右100到120左右100到120對那總共5年的期程希望能建到200到300配搭符號之間\n\n20\n00:07:21,397 --> 00:07:43,288\n但是我想要因為這個的部分因為其實日本跟韓國都已經達到非常非常高的一個算力了那我們現在這樣子的速度是不是有點太慢了我們是不是要再來檢討一下因為這真的是攸關到像賴總統一直非常強調這件事情引導了整個國家的發展所以這件事情我希望主委一定要來\n\n21\n00:07:43,988 --> 00:07:48,351\n關於一個延續性的政策問題就是太空中心因為太空計畫也是在這一次賴總統的在就職演說也有講到這個是我們非常重中之重的一個重點\n\n22\n00:08:12,799 --> 00:08:32,554\n那太空中心在2005年成立的時候呢當時是設立這個國家實驗研究院在2022年的時候三讀通過這個國家太空中心設置條例所以現在已經變成一個行政法人那依照我們現在中心的規劃呢2023年是要招募300人擴充人力到600人的規模\n\n23\n00:08:35,011 --> 00:09:02,917\n預估希望可以在2025年達到600人但是我想問因為現在行政院其實已經核定了第三期國家太空科技的發展長程計畫主要投入了經費有251億元要發展高解析度光學遙測衛星超高解析度光學衛星以及合成孔徑雷達衛星組成完整的衛星星系來守護台灣保障國人的生命安全\n\n24\n00:09:03,997 --> 00:09:31,906\n然後在去年的時候蔡總統參加國際太空年會的時候又再加碼了這400億那我想問國主委就是說預算增加了任務增加了牽扯到第三期的太空計畫修正但是目前我想了解的是目前的修正計畫到了哪邊然後呢任務增加這些人是不是也需要增加呢那這部分規劃又是什麼是那我請太空中心主任\n\n25\n00:09:33,793 --> 00:09:59,776\n謝謝委員,跟委員報告一下這個第三期的太空的修正期我們現在正在緊密的討論當中我們希望是今年可以投到今年大概是什麼時候呢?因為這個好像也蠻長一段時間的去年10月到現在都已經加碼要那現在來講的話就是在裡面內容細節的一些嚴明那大概是今年年底的時候呢我們希望能夠提出來\n\n26\n00:10:00,376 --> 00:10:24,849\n今年年底提出來是嗎那我們目前人數上面招募的工作人力我們真的招募是預定到2028的時候有670個根據我們原來這樣的擴展的計畫今年是應該107明年大概是我印象是五十幾個不是八十個我們是逐步這樣增加所以我們在增加人數的計畫是根據我們想要做的擴展計畫\n\n27\n00:10:25,789 --> 00:10:40,197\n對可是因為我但是主任不好意思想請教一下喔這個有點時間齁讓我問完這一題就是說因為我們其實原本的計畫齁但是我們加碼超過400億了欸那我們的人數還是在跟之前的600人的規模是不是那這些錢\n\n28\n00:10:42,219 --> 00:11:02,996\n計劃的人力在哪裡?其實原來是有一個太空三棋250億但是在2021開始就有一個比較搭檔像B5G低軌道通訊衛星但是它沒有掛在裡面其實那時候已經有政策預算一直在進行所以我們有根據這一個兩個加總起來人數的鋪排就是你聽到了670個就是這樣所以那次已經250億加410之後你的編制就是671嗎?基本上是往這個方向\n\n29\n00:11:08,681 --> 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GPT因為現在大家都在做中文版喔我們台德的競爭優勢到底在哪裡\n287392\t301828\t這個好問題當然我們訓練的這個資料很重要但是即使我們建了這個平台它本身是一個平台我們當然鼓勵各行各業來應用它但是應用的時候其實在應用的範圍裡面的資料也很重要\n303210\t324410\t需要是一個把它客製化就像人在學習一樣人可以學習不同的專長你要讓他全能很困難我了解我了解但是我只是很好奇就是說我們做的台德GPT這個台德的版本跟CHAT GPT跟這麼多的到底競爭力在哪裡我覺得這是非常重要因為我們如果還要持續投資這件事情上我們的獨特性跟差異性\n325351\t347542\t這就非常重要,像我們在半導體的製程上也許醫學或是等等的領域可能還是我們應該要發展的重點那這個部分我想我們可以會後再繼續的跟邀請主委來繼續討論好不好那接下來就是回到就是說因為AI是趨勢那AI的這個除了剛剛講的安全控管那它跟超級電腦的算力大有關係就是說\n348783\t372003\t我們的算力越高我們的模組的效能就越高現在我們是用台灣32號在運算但是我們應該都非常清楚知道我們的算力從全球排名第20名掉到第86名而且日本跟韓國都積極的在部署而且現在排名都比我們更前面了但是因為這個算力不僅是影響到經濟發展或半導體等等\n372583\t384519\t他對於我們的地震、氣候的資訊還有我們的災害因應部署都非常重要所以我非常關心這件事情那我們現在預計在112年底要完成台灣三四號的主機建制\n386268\t387950\t可不可以允許我請國防中心主任 可以\n415376\t440749\t報告委員今年16這只是第一期先期的建制明年會投入另外40億會建一個大概120配搭符號所以今年是完成16還是在今年底的時候完成今年年底的時候年底16然後明年是今年會有一個對會大概120左右100到120左右100到120對那總共5年的期程希望能建到200到300配搭符號之間\n441397\t463288\t但是我想要因為這個的部分因為其實日本跟韓國都已經達到非常非常高的一個算力了那我們現在這樣子的速度是不是有點太慢了我們是不是要再來檢討一下因為這真的是攸關到像賴總統一直非常強調這件事情引導了整個國家的發展所以這件事情我希望主委一定要來\n463988\t468351\t關於一個延續性的政策問題就是太空中心因為太空計畫也是在這一次賴總統的在就職演說也有講到這個是我們非常重中之重的一個重點\n492799\t512554\t那太空中心在2005年成立的時候呢當時是設立這個國家實驗研究院在2022年的時候三讀通過這個國家太空中心設置條例所以現在已經變成一個行政法人那依照我們現在中心的規劃呢2023年是要招募300人擴充人力到600人的規模\n515011\t542917\t預估希望可以在2025年達到600人但是我想問因為現在行政院其實已經核定了第三期國家太空科技的發展長程計畫主要投入了經費有251億元要發展高解析度光學遙測衛星超高解析度光學衛星以及合成孔徑雷達衛星組成完整的衛星星系來守護台灣保障國人的生命安全\n543997\t571906\t然後在去年的時候蔡總統參加國際太空年會的時候又再加碼了這400億那我想問國主委就是說預算增加了任務增加了牽扯到第三期的太空計畫修正但是目前我想了解的是目前的修正計畫到了哪邊然後呢任務增加這些人是不是也需要增加呢那這部分規劃又是什麼是那我請太空中心主任\n573793\t599776\t謝謝委員,跟委員報告一下這個第三期的太空的修正期我們現在正在緊密的討論當中我們希望是今年可以投到今年大概是什麼時候呢?因為這個好像也蠻長一段時間的去年10月到現在都已經加碼要那現在來講的話就是在裡面內容細節的一些嚴明那大概是今年年底的時候呢我們希望能夠提出來\n600376\t624849\t今年年底提出來是嗎那我們目前人數上面招募的工作人力我們真的招募是預定到2028的時候有670個根據我們原來這樣的擴展的計畫今年是應該107明年大概是我印象是五十幾個不是八十個我們是逐步這樣增加所以我們在增加人數的計畫是根據我們想要做的擴展計畫\n625789\t640197\t對可是因為我但是主任不好意思想請教一下喔這個有點時間齁讓我問完這一題就是說因為我們其實原本的計畫齁但是我們加碼超過400億了欸那我們的人數還是在跟之前的600人的規模是不是那這些錢\n642219\t662996\t計劃的人力在哪裡?其實原來是有一個太空三棋250億但是在2021開始就有一個比較搭檔像B5G低軌道通訊衛星但是它沒有掛在裡面其實那時候已經有政策預算一直在進行所以我們有根據這一個兩個加總起來人數的鋪排就是你聽到了670個就是這樣所以那次已經250億加410之後你的編制就是671嗎?基本上是往這個方向\n668681\t668842\t張雅琳委員\n","txt":"請主委\n主委,還要再喝一口嗎?沒關係沒關係,真的可以有點時間,還需要嗎?好好好,那我們就繼續,就是說首先非常恭喜這個主委就任,您的經歷非常的豐富,也備受肯定在清大跟成大服務的期間,大家都是戰略有價。當然所以我們對你的期待也是非常非常深,希望可以為我國的科學跟學術發展帶來一個嶄新的氣象。\n首先我想要請教主委的是說未來是AI的世代新的內閣也不停的提到說像是左院長也有說主行中內閣賴總統就職演說你有提到現在的台灣掌握半導體先進製程技術站在AI革命的中心是全球民主供應鏈的關鍵也影響世界的經濟發展以及人類的幸福\n昨天主委在受訪的時候也有提到說AI導入全產業除了學界開發技術之外關鍵在於應用落地那陳秉宇副主委就是AI的專家那因為其實像我自己從2022年CheckGPT剛上線的時候我就開始使用我自己是非常的樂中的在使用這個CheckGPT\n那包括像最近的這個Copilot啊或是我之前也常常用這個Gamma去做的簡報那但是呢我就丟了這個問題為了checkGPT就是說欸AI可以做什麼那它會帶來危害又是什麼\nAI技術可能導致的問題包含了駭客攻擊、假新聞、虛假信息和網路攻擊。\n所以就是說AI可能會帶來好處也有壞處所以AI要發展但也需要控管像例如剛剛我問的這些AI可以做什麼它就可以有得到我們有很多不同的一些好處的回答那例如我們現在也知道說這個其實已經應用在許多的教學場域包含剛剛大家也都有提到這個台語學習的機器人\n但是如果錯誤的使用AI有可能會有負面的問題有譬如說可能會造成詐騙更難的防範或是這個包括它直接像偽造影像啊偽造聲音等等的所以我想請教主委就是說你對於AI可能帶來的影響你的看法是什麼那我們是樂觀呢那還是持平還是我們需要擔憂什麼\n我們其實同意委員的看法就是他是一個非常重要非常有用的工具但是這個工具可以做好的事情也可以做壞的事情所以一定要有所規範所以我們現在在制定AIG本法的時候我們會兩者兼顧也就是說在保障人權維護我們的安全的狀態之下\n議員吳誠文列席報告\n我國先是參考了因每日的做法先有指引才去立法那目前也都已經有做這個今年年主委副主委昨天也有說基本法會在今年底就會出爐了那所以我想確認一下這個時程上面是還是在今年底呢還是你們預計規劃我們再把這時程往前提\n翻台也有幾位委員也關心這個事情那我們會努力的來提前希望在10月底可以送到行政院10月底齁那這邊我想要插一個題目就是我剛好聽到秀寶委員在網講那個台德GPT這件事情那我也想要再請教一下主委就是說你認為台德中文版跟CHAT GPT因為現在大家都在做中文版喔我們台德的競爭優勢到底在哪裡\n這個好問題當然我們訓練的這個資料很重要但是即使我們建了這個平台它本身是一個平台我們當然鼓勵各行各業來應用它但是應用的時候其實在應用的範圍裡面的資料也很重要\n需要是一個把它客製化就像人在學習一樣人可以學習不同的專長你要讓他全能很困難我了解我了解但是我只是很好奇就是說我們做的台德GPT這個台德的版本跟CHAT GPT跟這麼多的到底競爭力在哪裡我覺得這是非常重要因為我們如果還要持續投資這件事情上我們的獨特性跟差異性\n這就非常重要,像我們在半導體的製程上也許醫學或是等等的領域可能還是我們應該要發展的重點那這個部分我想我們可以會後再繼續的跟邀請主委來繼續討論好不好那接下來就是回到就是說因為AI是趨勢那AI的這個除了剛剛講的安全控管那它跟超級電腦的算力大有關係就是說\n我們的算力越高我們的模組的效能就越高現在我們是用台灣32號在運算但是我們應該都非常清楚知道我們的算力從全球排名第20名掉到第86名而且日本跟韓國都積極的在部署而且現在排名都比我們更前面了但是因為這個算力不僅是影響到經濟發展或半導體等等\n他對於我們的地震、氣候的資訊還有我們的災害因應部署都非常重要所以我非常關心這件事情那我們現在預計在112年底要完成台灣三四號的主機建制\n可不可以允許我請國防中心主任 可以\n報告委員今年16這只是第一期先期的建制明年會投入另外40億會建一個大概120配搭符號所以今年是完成16還是在今年底的時候完成今年年底的時候年底16然後明年是今年會有一個對會大概120左右100到120左右100到120對那總共5年的期程希望能建到200到300配搭符號之間\n但是我想要因為這個的部分因為其實日本跟韓國都已經達到非常非常高的一個算力了那我們現在這樣子的速度是不是有點太慢了我們是不是要再來檢討一下因為這真的是攸關到像賴總統一直非常強調這件事情引導了整個國家的發展所以這件事情我希望主委一定要來\n關於一個延續性的政策問題就是太空中心因為太空計畫也是在這一次賴總統的在就職演說也有講到這個是我們非常重中之重的一個重點\n那太空中心在2005年成立的時候呢當時是設立這個國家實驗研究院在2022年的時候三讀通過這個國家太空中心設置條例所以現在已經變成一個行政法人那依照我們現在中心的規劃呢2023年是要招募300人擴充人力到600人的規模\n預估希望可以在2025年達到600人但是我想問因為現在行政院其實已經核定了第三期國家太空科技的發展長程計畫主要投入了經費有251億元要發展高解析度光學遙測衛星超高解析度光學衛星以及合成孔徑雷達衛星組成完整的衛星星系來守護台灣保障國人的生命安全\n然後在去年的時候蔡總統參加國際太空年會的時候又再加碼了這400億那我想問國主委就是說預算增加了任務增加了牽扯到第三期的太空計畫修正但是目前我想了解的是目前的修正計畫到了哪邊然後呢任務增加這些人是不是也需要增加呢那這部分規劃又是什麼是那我請太空中心主任\n謝謝委員,跟委員報告一下這個第三期的太空的修正期我們現在正在緊密的討論當中我們希望是今年可以投到今年大概是什麼時候呢?因為這個好像也蠻長一段時間的去年10月到現在都已經加碼要那現在來講的話就是在裡面內容細節的一些嚴明那大概是今年年底的時候呢我們希望能夠提出來\n今年年底提出來是嗎那我們目前人數上面招募的工作人力我們真的招募是預定到2028的時候有670個根據我們原來這樣的擴展的計畫今年是應該107明年大概是我印象是五十幾個不是八十個我們是逐步這樣增加所以我們在增加人數的計畫是根據我們想要做的擴展計畫\n對可是因為我但是主任不好意思想請教一下喔這個有點時間齁讓我問完這一題就是說因為我們其實原本的計畫齁但是我們加碼超過400億了欸那我們的人數還是在跟之前的600人的規模是不是那這些錢\n計劃的人力在哪裡?其實原來是有一個太空三棋250億但是在2021開始就有一個比較搭檔像B5G低軌道通訊衛星但是它沒有掛在裡面其實那時候已經有政策預算一直在進行所以我們有根據這一個兩個加總起來人數的鋪排就是你聽到了670個就是這樣所以那次已經250億加410之後你的編制就是671嗎?基本上是往這個方向\n張雅琳委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.797 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