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00:02:53,147\n每一個年度的工作時間相較之下還算是相對的付出時間非常的多那我國從2015年到2022年當中年度的總工時其實已經進步了就是減少了96個小時不過相較於韓國這段時間的總工時其實他們減少更多他們減少154個小時\n\n9\n00:03:02,114 --> 00:03:21,824\n所以這個降服真的是還有一些進步的空間就是說過去我們減少96個小時我們覺得是進步很多可是香港韓國之下似乎還是可以有更多的進步的空間那我們目前不知道部長知不知道我們那個勞工所訂的這個國定假日一年會有幾天\n\n10\n00:03:24,145 --> 00:03:38,768\n因為日本有16天南韓有15天我們是12天當然我們有時候會把它做一些彈性的調整變成一個連續休假讓勞工朋友在這個過程裡面可以安排更好的一些活動的部分\n\n11\n00:03:39,469 --> 00:04:02,275\n請問部長是不是有支持能夠讓總工時能夠持續的來做一些調整讓他有機會在OECD國家的這個排行裡面可以有更好一些改善的同時那能夠這個國定的假日的安排不知道部長這邊有沒有未來在希望有可以有哪一方面的這些處理的模式\n\n12\n00:04:05,191 --> 00:04:29,622\n週休二日有助於縮短工時所以我們才會看到從2016年我們一例一休落實以後其實我們年總工時都已經下降了當然可是如果要跟其他國際比較的話我們必須要看那個內涵因為日本跟韓國部分工時的勞工太多\n\n13\n00:04:30,342 --> 00:04:58,281\n他們韓國16%日本25%新加坡10%我們才3%而已部分工時就是做part-time的啦那事實上如果就我們的全時工時其實是占多數比較於日、韓、新加坡這個東西其實還蠻重要就是說勞工的幸福感跟安全感其實全時勞工一定比部分工時勞工好\n\n14\n00:04:59,982 --> 00:05:20,300\n這是很重要的喔,你只要去看日本韓國,你去看那種街頭流浪還有包括那下流老人的問題啊等等,他那個整個社會的那一個整個因為部分公使他包括貧窮化其實是相當比例是相當相當高的對,所以如果就我們可能不能單從公使本身去看這個問題\n\n15\n00:05:22,441 --> 00:05:49,307\n這要從內涵去看這樣子,我比較建議這樣子是,所以未來麻煩部長在公布這些資料的同時也可以做一些強調,可以加說明或讓我們的這個國人可以同時感受到我們在強調希望讓這個勞動朋友的工時有效的或者是得到適當的這個處理的同時也能夠去把內涵同時讓國人都能夠了解也讓我們這些勞動朋友也知道\n\n16\n00:05:49,807 --> 00:06:16,536\n原來這個比較不是只看數字而已還要看相對的狀況好那謝謝部長這部分就麻煩部長繼續來協助那有關於促進中高齡就業的部分其實本市一直很關心中高齡的這個就業那這個過程必須要兼顧這個勞資的對等還有世代的正義因為我們知道人口結構改變的同時真的我們希望能夠讓這些中高齡者有機會在\n\n17\n00:06:18,317 --> 00:06:33,351\n不管是對社會的付出也好或充還職場也好都有他更彈性的一個作業的方式我們在前幾個禮拜已經完成了相關的一些延後退休的一些修法委員會已經通過了委員提案了\n\n18\n00:06:36,434 --> 00:06:38,777\n對於勞資協商或者是這些舊制新制的部分都已經有初步的規劃也入法了\n\n19\n00:06:55,629 --> 00:07:10,060\n那針對於那個時候許部長也也知道說要要求資方提供更高的不管是健康檢查或者是身心情況的這些因應持續就業帶來的是需要有一些配套的部分那也麻煩許部長\n\n20\n00:07:27,285 --> 00:07:54,111\n有關於這個中高齡勞動率的相對比較低我們還是希望有機會來多了解尤其我們看這個2022年主要國家勞動率的參與率的部分我們看到的就是到了54歲好像還沒有那麼不好可是一旦過了55歲以後就非常明顯的遠低於南韓跟日本\n\n21\n00:07:55,371 --> 00:08:15,781\n這一部分我們很期待就是勞動部這一邊能不能夠有更多對這個數據的掌握跟理解為什麼這樣的落差會明顯的有這麼大的變化因為其實在108年所公布的中高齡者及高齡者就業促進法裡面\n\n22\n00:08:16,841 --> 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