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所以你還認為他們是個別嗎\n所以他們才不在乎公平會的調查\n我的意思是說外送人在去年陳情的時候就是外送平台聯合在砍價第二個全台統一黑箱價不公開不透明現在他們要合併了他們的時間點同時降低外送人的報酬現在那個時候已經形同聯合行為現在進行合併他事實上就是將來合併之後就不用再聯合砍價他就自己砍價就好了\n所以我想問的是八個月你的調查有報告有相關的內容可以提供給我們嗎?所以就算你調查了但是你也沒有做任何處分你有找這些外送產業工會的人溝通過嗎?有瞭解他們的狀況嗎?有瞭解他們個案的情形嗎?有調查他們嗎?\n因為他們告訴我他們什麼都不知道也沒有或許的相關的追蹤我們對於就是這個調查有找這個就是FuPanda兩個平台主委他們來澄清委員來反映然後你們調查不找他們來不找工會來找FuPanda跟相關的平台業者來有什麼用嗎?如果今天公平會是這樣的方式我現在就很懷疑你們對於將來這個合併案的態度\n有很多委員已經說了如果台灣的公平會不能站在消費者的立場保障消費者的權益保障這些從業人員的權益這個公平會可以廢掉算了八個月前的調查你說沒有證據也沒有找公會的人討論這件事情我們怎麼能夠相信你接下來會公允的討論到底有沒有找公會的人過有沒有討論過有沒有調查過\n主委知道嗎?時間暫停,他有同仁可以幫他補充嗎?有報告嗎?有內容嗎?\n提供意見之後有調查嗎?有結果嗎?有相關的內容回覆給委員嗎?都沒有啊,這是怎麼回事啊?公平會的調查是自己調查完並高興,然後就結案,結束。誒,陳琴,那你要回報人家一下啊。\n我希望一個禮拜之內把相關的報告拿過來第二個如果這個部分當時有這種相關的誠信案件你們如果沒有調查事實的話我希望你們重啟調查第二部分就是現在的病案合併案合併案你剛剛說有很多的因素要考慮沒有錯但是我們只有幾個要求\n第一個合作的變價權益要保障消費者的權益羊毛出在羊身上他只要統一調帳消費者一定要付出更高的代價第三個外送員的權益就剛剛講有工會在把他們當成正常人14萬的從業人員他是你必須要考慮而且必須要保護的對象最重要的是美國跟韓國都有制定沖繩的上限\n如果我們的公平會不能在合併案裡面對於他們將來對於商家抽成有相關的規範的話這個公平會也可以廢掉了主委以上是我的意見我希望你一個禮拜把剛剛那個報告交過來那對於本案我們會開公聽會會邀請相關的我再說一次如果我們在合併案裡面不能訂定制定抽成的上限比照韓國跟美國公平會也可以廢掉了\n黃珊珊委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.481 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