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00:03:04,928\n報告委員我們現在就是因為我們那個倒下去洗錢防制處是我國的金融情報中心那我們有參加那個愛格蒙聯盟那透過愛格蒙聯盟的安全網路我們會跟其他的會員國做情資的交換好那我再來我想請教我們銀行局莊局長我們除了在法制面上的這個修正以外在務實上的執行部分想請教和第一線的這個金融機構在修法上溝通是否順暢\n\n10\n00:03:06,575 --> 00:03:32,692\n報告委員其實這次的修正其實現行金融機構他本來就已經固定在執行他防制洗錢的義務所以其實這一次不用這一次的修正以前我們其實現行的條文裡面就賦予金融機構很多的義務比如說KYC啊或者是交易監控那這些資訊如果他們覺得有任何可疑的部分他們會\n\n11\n00:03:33,473 --> 00:03:34,454\n則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．\n\n12\n00:03:58,267 --> 00:04:05,752\n此次修正的重點主要是虛擬資產業者。此次修正的重點主要是虛擬資產業者。此次修正的重點主要是虛擬資產業者。此次修正的重點主要是虛擬資產業者。此次修正的重點主要是虛擬資產業者。此次修正的重點主要是虛擬資產業者。\n\n13\n00:04:14,537 --> 00:04:37,165\n好,那剛剛問的這個部分再請我們相關部會是不是可以會後給我一份比較詳細的這個書面資料。好,是。好,那那個局長跟那個次長跟局長請回。好,我們請那個周秘書長。請周秘書長。好,秘書長好。我想\n\n14\n00:04:38,137 --> 00:05:04,529\n就這個立法院解凍的報告當中國會助理法制化的部分來做一個討論我想這個問題也不是新的這個議題了過去不管是公會還是民團都有在倡議那希望透過法制的修訂以避免發生爭議改善工作條件等等那現行有關規定是依據我們立法院組織法第32條及第33條包括每位立法委員可以聘用的這個助理人數\n\n15\n00:05:05,309 --> 00:05:21,425\n以及各黨團公費助理的人數,那秘書長您在這個立法院已經30多年了,多年來來來去去也看到很多的案例,那想請教秘書長一個問題就是您認為國會助理在立法院裡面是扮演什麼樣的角色?\n\n16\n00:05:28,134 --> 00:05:29,615\n則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．\n\n17\n00:05:51,704 --> 00:06:09,945\n這個我們先前調查的結果可以看到國會助理的平均年資僅有兩年多甚至大部分都做不到四年也就是少於立法委員一屆的這個任期那想請問秘書長說針對這個部分您的經驗來看造成這個流動率偏高的主因是什麼\n\n18\n00:06:10,776 --> 00:06:14,837\n其實除了生涯規劃以外這個待遇可能是最重要的原因之一\n\n19\n00:06:38,061 --> 00:07:03,377\n所以現在公費助理的薪水來自立法院每年所編列的預算那我想請問秘書長如果助理的這個待遇能夠這個明文規範公開透明讓有志投入國會的這個工作的助理在待遇上能夠有保障有可能比較能夠避免投機的行為或是違法的這個爭議事件發生那我想請教秘書長您的看法如何\n\n20\n00:07:04,161 --> 00:07:26,175\n對於委員的助理,因為長期來從七十幾年我們在互動中,我對於委員的助理是有相當是曾肯定的這個態度啦。就當然能夠讓他提升的一個他的職位,比如舉個例來講,委員的這個工會助理的這個費用,原來就是一從三萬四萬到現在是五萬嘛。\n\n21\n00:07:26,775 --> 00:07:28,215\n則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．\n\n22\n00:07:44,548 --> 00:07:44,868\n謝謝指導,我在在\n\n23\n00:08:11,849 --> 00:08:27,031\n此下我會再來做比較嚴厲的讓他比較讓助理本身對這一個他的工作他有一個成就好那在就我們這個國會擴建的部分我想再就叫我們秘書長目前進度為何\n\n24\n00:08:28,516 --> 00:08:45,273\n現在還沒有已經都提報還沒有是私下的一個希望能夠透過黨團協商因為陳委員也非常關心那麼多次所以能夠透過黨團協商來就能夠去推動啦在這裡就跟大概總務處也上前了也跟院長有稍微就報告過了\n\n25\n00:08:47,695 --> 00:09:13,534\n我還是期待我們周秘書長您能夠加快這個速度因為就我們這個報告資料來看不論選擇目前規劃的這個其中六個點之一的其中一個點他所必須要這個期程要在14到19年左右那這時間算是蠻冗長的那這個整個過程你如果沒有趕快啟動的話我相信這是遙遙無期\n\n26\n00:09:15,063 --> 00:09:40,428\n那針對這個遙遙無期的情況之下我們現況的立法院有沒有可能就限職來做簡單的擴建包括我們走進來這個警衛住所還是這個商店街還是這個康園這個區塊有沒有辦法在這個地方先就第一期的這個擴建讓我們未來整個立法院所有同仁在使用空間上可以更加的這個符合現在的期待\n\n27\n00:09:41,277 --> 00:10:05,253\n您要不要來跟他說明一下?處長要回答嗎?我請處長,因為有一些規劃。因為有一些規劃在...報告委員,因為本院在今年度有編列預算,等...原本是等到朝以後決定地點後,我們會進行這個相關的規劃。那所以這個是有做準備,但是需要先決定地點。好,那處長,會後麻煩您剛剛講的這一個部分,我剛剛詢問的部分,\n\n28\n00:10:10,350 --> 00:10:10,771\n則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．\n\n29\n00:10:30,836 --> 00:10:54,978\n所以是韓院長在當家嗎?院長因為從法條規定他是總理緣無憾那為什麼國民黨在這近期的這個院會裡面全副武裝進入這個院會裡面就像這個政報人員一樣並且在這個過程裡面發生這個肢體衝突的時候導致民進黨的多位這個委員受傷?\n\n30\n00:11:02,686 --> 00:11:25,460\n應該秘書長您都在議場裡面所以到底是誰在當家鬧事?好那我想請教517跟521秘書長您有聽到外面民眾吶喊的聲音有看到民眾聚集的現象嗎?你沒有回家嗎?\n\n31\n00:11:28,450 --> 00:11:32,311\n我想整個過程所有媒體現在披露出來都是民眾看到這個立法院裡面這麼混亂的情況\n\n32\n00:11:49,502 --> 00:12:15,436\n在通過大家所不希望看到的法案,所以自發性的走上街頭。啊怎麼會剛剛我聽到說什麼是民進黨去動員的?您認為勒?我不太了解。好,那主席再一分鐘。那我想請教,議事規則。我們正式會議要進行表決之前,清點人數應該是最基本的吧?\n\n33\n00:12:17,126 --> 00:12:44,365\n這一個當然有清點人數阿在過程當然有清點人數可是為什麼沒有每一次要表決就要因為在有一個以前曾經有這樣的一個例過在當時也做這樣宣告所以大概一個大概一個案他都會有一個接續他就沒有再做清點那會議開始應該也要告知所有的委員說等一下我們將進行的這個表決方式是要用什麼方式表決應該是這樣子吧\n\n34\n00:12:45,788 --> 00:12:50,412\n五一七當天可能是混亂的情況導致這個表決卡出了問題五二一並沒有混亂的情況為什麼會是用舉手表決\n\n35\n00:13:13,387 --> 00:13:22,415\n五一七跟五二一接續?那我想請教我們設置記名表決器的用意何在?是要裝飾的嗎?民主國家為什麼會走民主的倒退路?怎麼這麼奇怪?\n\n36\n00:13:39,554 --> 00:13:43,158\n我希望秘書長您應該是要站在這個歷史的軌道上,未來要為歷史負責。好,以上。好,謝謝陳委員。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n16295\t23440\t好謝謝主席主席我們先請法務部我們的次長及\n26369\t31816\t經管會的莊局長請次長及局長主席 謝主席 委員好 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那我想請教517跟521秘書長您有聽到外面民眾吶喊的聲音有看到民眾聚集的現象嗎?你沒有回家嗎?\n688450\t692311\t我想整個過程所有媒體現在披露出來都是民眾看到這個立法院裡面這麼混亂的情況\n709502\t735436\t在通過大家所不希望看到的法案,所以自發性的走上街頭。啊怎麼會剛剛我聽到說什麼是民進黨去動員的?您認為勒?我不太了解。好,那主席再一分鐘。那我想請教,議事規則。我們正式會議要進行表決之前,清點人數應該是最基本的吧?\n737126\t764365\t這一個當然有清點人數阿在過程當然有清點人數可是為什麼沒有每一次要表決就要因為在有一個以前曾經有這樣的一個例過在當時也做這樣宣告所以大概一個大概一個案他都會有一個接續他就沒有再做清點那會議開始應該也要告知所有的委員說等一下我們將進行的這個表決方式是要用什麼方式表決應該是這樣子吧\n765788\t770412\t五一七當天可能是混亂的情況導致這個表決卡出了問題五二一並沒有混亂的情況為什麼會是用舉手表決\n793387\t802415\t五一七跟五二一接續?那我想請教我們設置記名表決器的用意何在?是要裝飾的嗎?民主國家為什麼會走民主的倒退路?怎麼這麼奇怪?\n819554\t823158\t我希望秘書長您應該是要站在這個歷史的軌道上,未來要為歷史負責。好,以上。好,謝謝陳委員。\n","txt":"好謝謝主席主席我們先請法務部我們的次長及\n經管會的莊局長請次長及局長主席 謝主席 委員好 次長好\n市長我先請教您我們今天排審的這個洗錢防制法修正草案是在這個會期的一個重點法案之一那我也希望說能夠透過修法來回應民眾最關心的這個詐騙防制的相關問題那也是相關部會在打擊詐騙和這個新興洗錢防制上急需擁有的一個武器那這邊我想先就兩個部分來請教\n有關這個洗錢防制的這個跨機關整合應該要如何來進行?\n我們這個法就是本身就是整合在我們母法定好以後相關的執法然後相關的經管會或者是訴發部他們就根據這些母法的他們會制定相關的執寫的執法那就對於業者的管理以及申報的義務以及集合內機跟他們的內控的機制跟集合機制都會接著就會出來相關的法則會出來這都是跨\n則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．\n那其他的像剛才調查局的同仁也報告過我們很多的資金的資料他們事實上我們在國際互惠的原則之下是有做交換這都是屬於跨國的合作那我們目前是有哪一個機關在負責這個工作就是跨國的合作部分\n那個法務部調查局的洗房處。洗房處。好。那那個洗房處嗎?\n報告委員我們現在就是因為我們那個倒下去洗錢防制處是我國的金融情報中心那我們有參加那個愛格蒙聯盟那透過愛格蒙聯盟的安全網路我們會跟其他的會員國做情資的交換好那我再來我想請教我們銀行局莊局長我們除了在法制面上的這個修正以外在務實上的執行部分想請教和第一線的這個金融機構在修法上溝通是否順暢\n報告委員其實這次的修正其實現行金融機構他本來就已經固定在執行他防制洗錢的義務所以其實這一次不用這一次的修正以前我們其實現行的條文裡面就賦予金融機構很多的義務比如說KYC啊或者是交易監控那這些資訊如果他們覺得有任何可疑的部分他們會\n則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．\n此次修正的重點主要是虛擬資產業者。此次修正的重點主要是虛擬資產業者。此次修正的重點主要是虛擬資產業者。此次修正的重點主要是虛擬資產業者。此次修正的重點主要是虛擬資產業者。此次修正的重點主要是虛擬資產業者。\n好,那剛剛問的這個部分再請我們相關部會是不是可以會後給我一份比較詳細的這個書面資料。好,是。好,那那個局長跟那個次長跟局長請回。好,我們請那個周秘書長。請周秘書長。好,秘書長好。我想\n就這個立法院解凍的報告當中國會助理法制化的部分來做一個討論我想這個問題也不是新的這個議題了過去不管是公會還是民團都有在倡議那希望透過法制的修訂以避免發生爭議改善工作條件等等那現行有關規定是依據我們立法院組織法第32條及第33條包括每位立法委員可以聘用的這個助理人數\n以及各黨團公費助理的人數,那秘書長您在這個立法院已經30多年了,多年來來來去去也看到很多的案例,那想請教秘書長一個問題就是您認為國會助理在立法院裡面是扮演什麼樣的角色?\n則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．\n這個我們先前調查的結果可以看到國會助理的平均年資僅有兩年多甚至大部分都做不到四年也就是少於立法委員一屆的這個任期那想請問秘書長說針對這個部分您的經驗來看造成這個流動率偏高的主因是什麼\n其實除了生涯規劃以外這個待遇可能是最重要的原因之一\n所以現在公費助理的薪水來自立法院每年所編列的預算那我想請問秘書長如果助理的這個待遇能夠這個明文規範公開透明讓有志投入國會的這個工作的助理在待遇上能夠有保障有可能比較能夠避免投機的行為或是違法的這個爭議事件發生那我想請教秘書長您的看法如何\n對於委員的助理,因為長期來從七十幾年我們在互動中,我對於委員的助理是有相當是曾肯定的這個態度啦。就當然能夠讓他提升的一個他的職位,比如舉個例來講,委員的這個工會助理的這個費用,原來就是一從三萬四萬到現在是五萬嘛。\n則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．\n謝謝指導,我在在\n此下我會再來做比較嚴厲的讓他比較讓助理本身對這一個他的工作他有一個成就好那在就我們這個國會擴建的部分我想再就叫我們秘書長目前進度為何\n現在還沒有已經都提報還沒有是私下的一個希望能夠透過黨團協商因為陳委員也非常關心那麼多次所以能夠透過黨團協商來就能夠去推動啦在這裡就跟大概總務處也上前了也跟院長有稍微就報告過了\n我還是期待我們周秘書長您能夠加快這個速度因為就我們這個報告資料來看不論選擇目前規劃的這個其中六個點之一的其中一個點他所必須要這個期程要在14到19年左右那這時間算是蠻冗長的那這個整個過程你如果沒有趕快啟動的話我相信這是遙遙無期\n那針對這個遙遙無期的情況之下我們現況的立法院有沒有可能就限職來做簡單的擴建包括我們走進來這個警衛住所還是這個商店街還是這個康園這個區塊有沒有辦法在這個地方先就第一期的這個擴建讓我們未來整個立法院所有同仁在使用空間上可以更加的這個符合現在的期待\n您要不要來跟他說明一下?處長要回答嗎?我請處長,因為有一些規劃。因為有一些規劃在...報告委員,因為本院在今年度有編列預算,等...原本是等到朝以後決定地點後,我們會進行這個相關的規劃。那所以這個是有做準備,但是需要先決定地點。好,那處長,會後麻煩您剛剛講的這一個部分,我剛剛詢問的部分,\n則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．\n所以是韓院長在當家嗎?院長因為從法條規定他是總理緣無憾那為什麼國民黨在這近期的這個院會裡面全副武裝進入這個院會裡面就像這個政報人員一樣並且在這個過程裡面發生這個肢體衝突的時候導致民進黨的多位這個委員受傷?\n應該秘書長您都在議場裡面所以到底是誰在當家鬧事?好 那我想請教517跟521秘書長您有聽到外面民眾吶喊的聲音有看到民眾聚集的現象嗎?你沒有回家嗎?\n我想整個過程所有媒體現在披露出來都是民眾看到這個立法院裡面這麼混亂的情況\n在通過大家所不希望看到的法案,所以自發性的走上街頭。啊怎麼會剛剛我聽到說什麼是民進黨去動員的?您認為勒?我不太了解。好,那主席再一分鐘。那我想請教,議事規則。我們正式會議要進行表決之前,清點人數應該是最基本的吧?\n這一個當然有清點人數阿在過程當然有清點人數可是為什麼沒有每一次要表決就要因為在有一個以前曾經有這樣的一個例過在當時也做這樣宣告所以大概一個大概一個案他都會有一個接續他就沒有再做清點那會議開始應該也要告知所有的委員說等一下我們將進行的這個表決方式是要用什麼方式表決應該是這樣子吧\n五一七當天可能是混亂的情況導致這個表決卡出了問題五二一並沒有混亂的情況為什麼會是用舉手表決\n五一七跟五二一接續?那我想請教我們設置記名表決器的用意何在?是要裝飾的嗎?民主國家為什麼會走民主的倒退路?怎麼這麼奇怪?\n我希望秘書長您應該是要站在這個歷史的軌道上,未來要為歷史負責。好,以上。好,謝謝陳委員。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:16.295 --> 00:23.440\n好謝謝主席主席我們先請法務部我們的次長及\n\n00:26.369 --> 00:31.816\n經管會的莊局長請次長及局長主席謝主席委員好次長好\n\n00:34.488 --> 01:00.059\n市長我先請教您我們今天排審的這個洗錢防制法修正草案是在這個會期的一個重點法案之一那我也希望說能夠透過修法來回應民眾最關心的這個詐騙防制的相關問題那也是相關部會在打擊詐騙和這個新興洗錢防制上急需擁有的一個武器那這邊我想先就兩個部分來請教\n\n01:01.840 --> 01:06.207\n有關這個洗錢防制的這個跨機關整合應該要如何來進行?\n\n01:13.482 --> 01:39.900\n我們這個法就是本身就是整合在我們母法定好以後相關的執法然後相關的經管會或者是訴發部他們就根據這些母法的他們會制定相關的執寫的執法那就對於業者的管理以及申報的義務以及集合內機跟他們的內控的機制跟集合機制都會接著就會出來相關的法則會出來這都是跨\n\n01:40.520 --> 01:41.141\n則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．\n\n01:58.237 --> 02:23.167\n那其他的像剛才調查局的同仁也報告過我們很多的資金的資料他們事實上我們在國際互惠的原則之下是有做交換這都是屬於跨國的合作那我們目前是有哪一個機關在負責這個工作就是跨國的合作部分\n\n02:23.627 --> 02:31.008\n那個法務部調查局的洗房處。洗房處。好。那那個洗房處嗎?\n\n02:36.259 --> 03:04.928\n報告委員我們現在就是因為我們那個倒下去洗錢防制處是我國的金融情報中心那我們有參加那個愛格蒙聯盟那透過愛格蒙聯盟的安全網路我們會跟其他的會員國做情資的交換好那我再來我想請教我們銀行局莊局長我們除了在法制面上的這個修正以外在務實上的執行部分想請教和第一線的這個金融機構在修法上溝通是否順暢\n\n03:06.575 --> 03:32.692\n報告委員其實這次的修正其實現行金融機構他本來就已經固定在執行他防制洗錢的義務所以其實這一次不用這一次的修正以前我們其實現行的條文裡面就賦予金融機構很多的義務比如說KYC啊或者是交易監控那這些資訊如果他們覺得有任何可疑的部分他們會\n\n03:33.473 --> 03:34.454\n則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．\n\n03:58.267 --> 04:05.752\n此次修正的重點主要是虛擬資產業者。此次修正的重點主要是虛擬資產業者。此次修正的重點主要是虛擬資產業者。此次修正的重點主要是虛擬資產業者。此次修正的重點主要是虛擬資產業者。此次修正的重點主要是虛擬資產業者。\n\n04:14.537 --> 04:37.165\n好,那剛剛問的這個部分再請我們相關部會是不是可以會後給我一份比較詳細的這個書面資料。好,是。好,那那個局長跟那個次長跟局長請回。好,我們請那個周秘書長。請周秘書長。好,秘書長好。我想\n\n04:38.137 --> 05:04.529\n就這個立法院解凍的報告當中國會助理法制化的部分來做一個討論我想這個問題也不是新的這個議題了過去不管是公會還是民團都有在倡議那希望透過法制的修訂以避免發生爭議改善工作條件等等那現行有關規定是依據我們立法院組織法第32條及第33條包括每位立法委員可以聘用的這個助理人數\n\n05:05.309 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