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Science，你們有人文沙龍，有TTA 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00:02:03,230\n一、國際的拓展我們跟很多的國家簽訂了雙邊的科技協議再來就是說我們在促進台灣的產業發展雖然國科會\n\n7\n00:02:05,211 --> 00:02:30,564\n以這個學界的力量做研發的工作但是最後還是要落地到能夠協助產業發展這一部分他也很努力那我也希望能夠持續那這個產業的發展不但是我們的科技業我剛剛有提到我們將來也是想要協助比較傳統的產業也可以利用我們的科技的優勢來互相的這個合作能夠把我們的傳統產業也能夠把它拉升上來\n\n8\n00:02:31,024 --> 00:02:35,168\n好,謝謝主委,您剛剛提到了現有的科技產業或是正在發展的科技產業還有傳統產業都希望有學界研究的力量加以支持我們當然也非常認同可是除此之外我也要拜託主委跟您分享\n\n9\n00:02:45,998 --> 00:02:51,259\n從我去年上任到現在我們一直在跟前主委談的事情就是關於對於台灣兒童跟青少年的研究其中我們一直標榜我們一直在意拜託國科會開啟相關兒少身心健康的研究我想要先給主委看一下這張報表15歲到24歲自殺死亡率近10年持續上升我想您身為科學家你看到這個數字就不用我再多說\n\n10\n00:03:13,304 --> 00:03:38,880\n這張數字、這張表格我想更清楚它告訴我們15歲到24歲自殺通報最多但更令人擔心害怕的是0到14歲持續上升之前在賴總統跟青少年作談當中其實也有很多小學生也提出來他們確實也因為功課壓力家庭或是社區文化或是整個網路環境的變遷確實有越來越多的孩子們感覺到自己身心健康而且是需要大人幫忙的\n\n11\n00:03:39,861 --> 00:03:54,506\n之前在跟國科會的討論當中國科會也告訴我們確實有很多專家學者表示對於數位時代青少年身心健康的狀態其實大家是不熟悉的那我們來看一下我們之前一直在跟國科會講\n\n12\n00:03:55,506 --> 00:04:22,842\n其實在國外已經有非常非常多的相關研究已經在開展甚至已經有很多研究成果在分享出來但是回到台灣本地對於台灣自己的社區議題家庭議題、教育議題其實跟國外非常多國家非常多的不同那我們有沒有機會在這個不同點上促使台灣更多專家學者願意在國科會的支持下投入相關研究不知道主委您聽到目前為止您有什麼看法不知道主委您認不認同\n\n13\n00:04:23,863 --> 00:04:42,332\n用國科會的力量來支持臺灣的專家學者教授進行兒少身心健康的相關研究我認同希望能夠增加所以主委在您的認知底下我們到底還能夠做哪些事情在去年的10月18號我們拜託前主委在相關的研究可以開啟\n\n14\n00:04:43,172 --> 00:05:00,647\n我們也非常感謝國科會確實當時也協同教育部還有衛福部開啟了相關會議的討論可是看起來大家認為有跨部會的問題或者是如何取得這些學生資料的問題或者是一旦有很多研究他必須要進入校園當中他可能會有很多實務上的困境\n\n15\n00:05:01,167 --> 00:05:28,376\n所以我要再次強調這件事情在新主委您上任之後您剛剛也說你非常認同那您覺得在實際的做法上您可以怎麼樣鼓勵相關專案研究的開啟或者是一個更大的計畫來主動積極的邀請台灣不同領域但是跟身心健康有關跟認識兒少有關甚至是跟家庭教育學校學習環境有關共同開啟一個跨部會的研究或是跨科別的研究主委這邊可以簡單表示一下意見嗎\n\n16\n00:05:29,690 --> 00:05:39,897\n我們據同仁跟我講我們已經在啟動了就是委員關心這個事情已經在啟動那我會關注這個事我會持續來協助來連結我們其他的部會\n\n17\n00:05:45,201 --> 00:05:47,283\n接下來我們要談一下主委您自己的LINE裡面有沒有加入災防中心的這個社群?\n\n18\n00:06:02,889 --> 00:06:17,786\n你這樣微笑看就是沒有啦我跟你分享一下這個也是去年我們在跟國科會開會的時候國科會建議我說委員你可以加入我們就真的有加入囉然後在地震之後呢果然是很有幫助的齁那主委你知不知道我們這個災防中心的LINE帳號\n\n19\n00:06:18,787 --> 00:06:44,187\n他不僅可以闢謠,重點是他可以第一時間提供正確資訊。0403大地震的時候當天除了很多各地的災情回報之外,第一個我的手機所收到的謠言就是龜山島的那個頭啊,掉了。大家就很緊張瘋傳,但是呢當時就有正確資訊出來闢謠。那主委你知道嗎目前台灣有多少人加入這個災防中心的LINE帳號?\n\n20\n00:06:45,487 --> 00:07:05,394\n一百六十三萬有有你的同仁很近者一百六十三萬可是少你一個主委拜託要加入這樣那我們去年呢這個災防中心的LINE帳號發出了三億七千萬則訊息主委你眉毛抬了一下你很驚訝對不對這個數字而且這些訊息非常非常重要我們來往下看\n\n21\n00:07:08,342 --> 00:07:30,660\n好,那這麼多訊息他如何協助國人這個事情非常非常重要可是呢在0403正後一個月災防中心因為發送LINE訊息超過1億則導致系統熔斷無法發出訊息你們很快做出回應也做出調整從此以後呢這個訊息標榜是沒有上線這個部分可不可以請主委或是請您的幕僚說明一下好我請主任來討論好謝謝\n\n22\n00:07:31,861 --> 00:07:38,164\n委員你好也就是4月22號啊他因為超過了一個月是超過了8000萬折對那現在我們跟那公司啊這個談妥了他要給我們吳上線也就是吃到飽啊那後續這個合作會持續下去嗎會持續下去好我們希望這個要持續\n\n23\n00:07:48,709 --> 00:07:49,169\n主委您是來自運客中心\n\n24\n00:08:09,258 --> 00:08:09,338\n您認同嗎?\n\n25\n00:08:27,754 --> 00:08:41,097\n那你認為在運動科學是這樣那一般的科學呢或是更廣泛包含剛剛有非常多委員問到AI你覺得這些科學知識需不需要更花力氣更花很多的方法跟新時代的公民溝通\n\n26\n00:08:43,241 --> 00:09:03,329\n除了這個溝通之外您認為我們其實照國科會在過往在科普活動上你們做了列車然後也做了這個競效員的活動那甚至呢在去年吧今年新增了這所謂小孩的角度的視角KidsScience你們有人文沙龍有TTATalk活動但是我們要再一次提醒國科會\n\n27\n00:09:04,733 --> 00:09:23,792\n其實在科學技術基本法入法之後相關會與所謂科學普及這件事情在立法說明裡面有一段我想要再次拜託國科會也許過往不在國科會的視野當中但是未來我希望國科會可以努力提升這件事情就是所有的科學技術研究發展預算的研究計畫制定的時候應納入科普推廣的考量\n\n28\n00:09:28,277 --> 00:09:44,309\n要讓國人可以進一步了解國內科研預算的使用成果提高一般民眾對於科學知識了解跟興趣還可以成為知識經濟產業升級的動力主委您怎麼看這件事情不管是知識的傳播或是知識經濟產業升級\n\n29\n00:09:47,730 --> 00:09:54,338\n您可以請您的幕僚回答。我個人認為這是很正面的,我們應該做。好,謝謝。其實這個概念是非常正確的,因為各行各業\n\n30\n00:10:02,329 --> 00:10:03,209\n主委﹗主席再給我30秒就好了。\n\n31\n00:10:31,784 --> 00:10:53,289\n這件事情很重要性別平權教育不能等相關的國科會推廣研究或是相關政策推進拜託主委在您的人內一定要持續關注這件事情當然我們剛剛說青少年身經營康科普推廣或是知識經濟產業升級這件事情也非常重要但我覺得這個基本公民常識也要拜託主委跟國科會拜託更多學者專家一起努力謝謝謝謝主席謝謝\n\n32\n00:11:00,436 --> 00:11:02,401\n主委請回。那我們現在就先來處理解凍案7案。請議事委員員宣讀。\n\n33\n00:11:11,312 --> 00:11:30,145\n國家科學及技術委員會行為1月23年度中央政府總預算決議解凍財團法人國家實驗研究院發展計劃預算凍結1000萬元書面報告請查照案國家科學及技術委員會行為113年度中央政府總預算決議解凍財團法人國家同步輻射研究中心發展計劃預算凍結500萬元書面報告請查照案\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5898\t10144\t謝謝主席 那有請新的國科會主委吳主委 謝謝好有請吳主委主委早安辛苦了我想先請問主委一個問題\n21476\t36387\t剛剛國民黨葉元之委員在跟您質詢的時候他提了那五個字我實在是不想再念一次喔對於長年從事性別平等教育的我來說我不想再念剛剛葉元之委員講的那五個字我想主委應該也不想重複齁\n37788\t58134\t但是我要強調從剛剛葉元芝的委員發言主委你認不認同性別平權教育不能再等待他應該也要是國科會從之前很多位主委一直流傳下來到未來應該也會是您非常重要的施政方向請您做回應是是你要不要再多說一點\n59329\t84398\t同意同意同意好同意那我們就不要再講那五個字了啦我也希望所有的不管是哪一黨的委員自己的性別平權相關概念如果不足是不是應該更加強應該加強這也是國科會不管是在做相關政策的推動或者是相關研究的關懷甚至是你們我們等一下會提到的科普列車我也期許主委您在相關的性別平權這件事情上絕對絕對要再持續好嗎\n87479\t103045\t免得又發生像剛剛那樣的發言。好,謝謝主委。昨天您跟舊的主委交接了,前吳主委。我很好奇他有沒有跟您說到什麼是他任內還來不及做完的,他還有一些關懷跟有些熱情的,希望您可以持續推動的。他其實有很多的想法。\n110126\t123230\t一、國際的拓展我們跟很多的國家簽訂了雙邊的科技協議再來就是說我們在促進台灣的產業發展雖然國科會\n125211\t150564\t以這個學界的力量做研發的工作但是最後還是要落地到能夠協助產業發展這一部分他也很努力那我也希望能夠持續那這個產業的發展不但是我們的科技業我剛剛有提到我們將來也是想要協助比較傳統的產業也可以利用我們的科技的優勢來互相的這個合作能夠把我們的傳統產業也能夠把它拉升上來\n151024\t155168\t好,謝謝主委,您剛剛提到了現有的科技產業或是正在發展的科技產業還有傳統產業都希望有學界研究的力量加以支持我們當然也非常認同可是除此之外我也要拜託主委跟您分享\n165998\t171259\t從我去年上任到現在我們一直在跟前主委談的事情就是關於對於台灣兒童跟青少年的研究其中我們一直標榜我們一直在意拜託國科會開啟相關兒少身心健康的研究我想要先給主委看一下這張報表15歲到24歲自殺死亡率近10年持續上升我想您身為科學家你看到這個數字就不用我再多說\n193304\t218880\t這張數字、這張表格我想更清楚它告訴我們15歲到24歲自殺通報最多但更令人擔心害怕的是0到14歲持續上升之前在賴總統跟青少年作談當中其實也有很多小學生也提出來他們確實也因為功課壓力家庭或是社區文化或是整個網路環境的變遷確實有越來越多的孩子們感覺到自己身心健康而且是需要大人幫忙的\n219861\t234506\t之前在跟國科會的討論當中國科會也告訴我們確實有很多專家學者表示對於數位時代青少年身心健康的狀態其實大家是不熟悉的那我們來看一下我們之前一直在跟國科會講\n235506\t262842\t其實在國外已經有非常非常多的相關研究已經在開展甚至已經有很多研究成果在分享出來但是回到台灣本地對於台灣自己的社區議題家庭議題、教育議題其實跟國外非常多國家非常多的不同那我們有沒有機會在這個不同點上促使台灣更多專家學者願意在國科會的支持下投入相關研究不知道主委您聽到目前為止您有什麼看法不知道主委您認不認同\n263863\t282332\t用國科會的力量來支持臺灣的專家學者教授進行兒少身心健康的相關研究我認同希望能夠增加所以主委在您的認知底下我們到底還能夠做哪些事情在去年的10月18號我們拜託前主委在相關的研究可以開啟\n283172\t300647\t我們也非常感謝國科會確實當時也協同教育部還有衛福部開啟了相關會議的討論可是看起來大家認為有跨部會的問題或者是如何取得這些學生資料的問題或者是一旦有很多研究他必須要進入校園當中他可能會有很多實務上的困境\n301167\t328376\t所以我要再次強調這件事情在新主委您上任之後您剛剛也說你非常認同那您覺得在實際的做法上您可以怎麼樣鼓勵相關專案研究的開啟或者是一個更大的計畫來主動積極的邀請台灣不同領域但是跟身心健康有關跟認識兒少有關甚至是跟家庭教育學校學習環境有關共同開啟一個跨部會的研究或是跨科別的研究主委這邊可以簡單表示一下意見嗎\n329690\t339897\t我們據同仁跟我講我們已經在啟動了就是委員關心這個事情已經在啟動那我會關注這個事我會持續來協助來連結我們其他的部會\n345201\t347283\t接下來我們要談一下主委您自己的LINE裡面有沒有加入災防中心的這個社群?\n362889\t377786\t你這樣微笑看就是沒有啦我跟你分享一下這個也是去年我們在跟國科會開會的時候國科會建議我說委員你可以加入我們就真的有加入囉然後在地震之後呢果然是很有幫助的齁那主委你知不知道我們這個災防中心的LINE帳號\n378787\t404187\t他不僅可以闢謠,重點是他可以第一時間提供正確資訊。0403大地震的時候當天除了很多各地的災情回報之外,第一個我的手機所收到的謠言就是龜山島的那個頭啊,掉了。大家就很緊張瘋傳,但是呢當時就有正確資訊出來闢謠。那主委你知道嗎目前台灣有多少人加入這個災防中心的LINE帳號?\n405487\t425394\t一百六十三萬有有你的同仁很近者一百六十三萬可是少你一個主委拜託要加入這樣那我們去年呢這個災防中心的LINE帳號發出了三億七千萬則訊息主委你眉毛抬了一下你很驚訝對不對這個數字而且這些訊息非常非常重要我們來往下看\n428342\t450660\t好,那這麼多訊息他如何協助國人這個事情非常非常重要可是呢在0403正後一個月災防中心因為發送LINE訊息超過1億則導致系統熔斷無法發出訊息你們很快做出回應也做出調整從此以後呢這個訊息標榜是沒有上線這個部分可不可以請主委或是請您的幕僚說明一下好我請主任來討論好謝謝\n451861\t458164\t委員你好也就是4月22號啊他因為超過了一個月是超過了8000萬折對那現在我們跟那公司啊這個談妥了他要給我們吳上線也就是吃到飽啊那後續這個合作會持續下去嗎會持續下去好我們希望這個要持續\n468709\t469169\t主委您是來自運客中心\n489258\t489338\t您認同嗎?\n507754\t521097\t那你認為在運動科學是這樣那一般的科學呢或是更廣泛包含剛剛有非常多委員問到AI你覺得這些科學知識需不需要更花力氣更花很多的方法跟新時代的公民溝通\n523241\t543329\t除了這個溝通之外您認為我們其實照國科會在過往在科普活動上你們做了列車然後也做了這個競效員的活動那甚至呢在去年吧今年新增了這所謂小孩的角度的視角Kids Science你們有人文沙龍有TTA Talk活動但是我們要再一次提醒國科會\n544733\t563792\t其實在科學技術基本法入法之後相關會與所謂科學普及這件事情在立法說明裡面有一段我想要再次拜託國科會也許過往不在國科會的視野當中但是未來我希望國科會可以努力提升這件事情就是所有的科學技術研究發展預算的研究計畫制定的時候應納入科普推廣的考量\n568277\t584309\t要讓國人可以進一步了解國內科研預算的使用成果提高一般民眾對於科學知識了解跟興趣還可以成為知識經濟產業升級的動力主委您怎麼看這件事情不管是知識的傳播或是知識經濟產業升級\n587730\t594338\t您可以請您的幕僚回答。我個人認為這是很正面的,我們應該做。好,謝謝。其實這個概念是非常正確的,因為各行各業\n602329\t603209\t主委﹗主席再給我30秒就好了。\n631784\t653289\t這件事情很重要性別平權教育不能等相關的國科會推廣研究或是相關政策推進拜託主委在您的人內一定要持續關注這件事情當然我們剛剛說青少年身經營康科普推廣或是知識經濟產業升級這件事情也非常重要但我覺得這個基本公民常識也要拜託主委跟國科會拜託更多學者專家一起努力謝謝謝謝主席謝謝\n660436\t662401\t主委請回。那我們現在就先來處理解凍案7案。請議事委員員宣讀。\n671312\t690145\t國家科學及技術委員會行為1月23年度中央政府總預算決議解凍財團法人國家實驗研究院發展計劃預算凍結1000萬元書面報告請查照案國家科學及技術委員會行為113年度中央政府總預算決議解凍財團法人國家同步輻射研究中心發展計劃預算凍結500萬元書面報告請查照案\n","txt":"謝謝主席 那有請新的國科會主委吳主委 謝謝好有請吳主委主委早安辛苦了我想先請問主委一個問題\n剛剛國民黨葉元之委員在跟您質詢的時候他提了那五個字我實在是不想再念一次喔對於長年從事性別平等教育的我來說我不想再念剛剛葉元之委員講的那五個字我想主委應該也不想重複齁\n但是我要強調從剛剛葉元芝的委員發言主委你認不認同性別平權教育不能再等待他應該也要是國科會從之前很多位主委一直流傳下來到未來應該也會是您非常重要的施政方向請您做回應是是你要不要再多說一點\n同意同意同意好同意那我們就不要再講那五個字了啦我也希望所有的不管是哪一黨的委員自己的性別平權相關概念如果不足是不是應該更加強應該加強這也是國科會不管是在做相關政策的推動或者是相關研究的關懷甚至是你們我們等一下會提到的科普列車我也期許主委您在相關的性別平權這件事情上絕對絕對要再持續好嗎\n免得又發生像剛剛那樣的發言。好,謝謝主委。昨天您跟舊的主委交接了,前吳主委。我很好奇他有沒有跟您說到什麼是他任內還來不及做完的,他還有一些關懷跟有些熱情的,希望您可以持續推動的。他其實有很多的想法。\n一、國際的拓展我們跟很多的國家簽訂了雙邊的科技協議再來就是說我們在促進台灣的產業發展雖然國科會\n以這個學界的力量做研發的工作但是最後還是要落地到能夠協助產業發展這一部分他也很努力那我也希望能夠持續那這個產業的發展不但是我們的科技業我剛剛有提到我們將來也是想要協助比較傳統的產業也可以利用我們的科技的優勢來互相的這個合作能夠把我們的傳統產業也能夠把它拉升上來\n好,謝謝主委,您剛剛提到了現有的科技產業或是正在發展的科技產業還有傳統產業都希望有學界研究的力量加以支持我們當然也非常認同可是除此之外我也要拜託主委跟您分享\n從我去年上任到現在我們一直在跟前主委談的事情就是關於對於台灣兒童跟青少年的研究其中我們一直標榜我們一直在意拜託國科會開啟相關兒少身心健康的研究我想要先給主委看一下這張報表15歲到24歲自殺死亡率近10年持續上升我想您身為科學家你看到這個數字就不用我再多說\n這張數字、這張表格我想更清楚它告訴我們15歲到24歲自殺通報最多但更令人擔心害怕的是0到14歲持續上升之前在賴總統跟青少年作談當中其實也有很多小學生也提出來他們確實也因為功課壓力家庭或是社區文化或是整個網路環境的變遷確實有越來越多的孩子們感覺到自己身心健康而且是需要大人幫忙的\n之前在跟國科會的討論當中國科會也告訴我們確實有很多專家學者表示對於數位時代青少年身心健康的狀態其實大家是不熟悉的那我們來看一下我們之前一直在跟國科會講\n其實在國外已經有非常非常多的相關研究已經在開展甚至已經有很多研究成果在分享出來但是回到台灣本地對於台灣自己的社區議題家庭議題、教育議題其實跟國外非常多國家非常多的不同那我們有沒有機會在這個不同點上促使台灣更多專家學者願意在國科會的支持下投入相關研究不知道主委您聽到目前為止您有什麼看法不知道主委您認不認同\n用國科會的力量來支持臺灣的專家學者教授進行兒少身心健康的相關研究我認同希望能夠增加所以主委在您的認知底下我們到底還能夠做哪些事情在去年的10月18號我們拜託前主委在相關的研究可以開啟\n我們也非常感謝國科會確實當時也協同教育部還有衛福部開啟了相關會議的討論可是看起來大家認為有跨部會的問題或者是如何取得這些學生資料的問題或者是一旦有很多研究他必須要進入校園當中他可能會有很多實務上的困境\n所以我要再次強調這件事情在新主委您上任之後您剛剛也說你非常認同那您覺得在實際的做法上您可以怎麼樣鼓勵相關專案研究的開啟或者是一個更大的計畫來主動積極的邀請台灣不同領域但是跟身心健康有關跟認識兒少有關甚至是跟家庭教育學校學習環境有關共同開啟一個跨部會的研究或是跨科別的研究主委這邊可以簡單表示一下意見嗎\n我們據同仁跟我講我們已經在啟動了就是委員關心這個事情已經在啟動那我會關注這個事我會持續來協助來連結我們其他的部會\n接下來我們要談一下主委您自己的LINE裡面有沒有加入災防中心的這個社群?\n你這樣微笑看就是沒有啦我跟你分享一下這個也是去年我們在跟國科會開會的時候國科會建議我說委員你可以加入我們就真的有加入囉然後在地震之後呢果然是很有幫助的齁那主委你知不知道我們這個災防中心的LINE帳號\n他不僅可以闢謠,重點是他可以第一時間提供正確資訊。0403大地震的時候當天除了很多各地的災情回報之外,第一個我的手機所收到的謠言就是龜山島的那個頭啊,掉了。大家就很緊張瘋傳,但是呢當時就有正確資訊出來闢謠。那主委你知道嗎目前台灣有多少人加入這個災防中心的LINE帳號?\n一百六十三萬有有你的同仁很近者一百六十三萬可是少你一個主委拜託要加入這樣那我們去年呢這個災防中心的LINE帳號發出了三億七千萬則訊息主委你眉毛抬了一下你很驚訝對不對這個數字而且這些訊息非常非常重要我們來往下看\n好,那這麼多訊息他如何協助國人這個事情非常非常重要可是呢在0403正後一個月災防中心因為發送LINE訊息超過1億則導致系統熔斷無法發出訊息你們很快做出回應也做出調整從此以後呢這個訊息標榜是沒有上線這個部分可不可以請主委或是請您的幕僚說明一下好我請主任來討論好謝謝\n委員你好也就是4月22號啊他因為超過了一個月是超過了8000萬折對那現在我們跟那公司啊這個談妥了他要給我們吳上線也就是吃到飽啊那後續這個合作會持續下去嗎會持續下去好我們希望這個要持續\n主委您是來自運客中心\n您認同嗎?\n那你認為在運動科學是這樣那一般的科學呢或是更廣泛包含剛剛有非常多委員問到AI你覺得這些科學知識需不需要更花力氣更花很多的方法跟新時代的公民溝通\n除了這個溝通之外您認為我們其實照國科會在過往在科普活動上你們做了列車然後也做了這個競效員的活動那甚至呢在去年吧今年新增了這所謂小孩的角度的視角Kids Science你們有人文沙龍有TTA Talk活動但是我們要再一次提醒國科會\n其實在科學技術基本法入法之後相關會與所謂科學普及這件事情在立法說明裡面有一段我想要再次拜託國科會也許過往不在國科會的視野當中但是未來我希望國科會可以努力提升這件事情就是所有的科學技術研究發展預算的研究計畫制定的時候應納入科普推廣的考量\n要讓國人可以進一步了解國內科研預算的使用成果提高一般民眾對於科學知識了解跟興趣還可以成為知識經濟產業升級的動力主委您怎麼看這件事情不管是知識的傳播或是知識經濟產業升級\n您可以請您的幕僚回答。我個人認為這是很正面的,我們應該做。好,謝謝。其實這個概念是非常正確的,因為各行各業\n主委﹗主席再給我30秒就好了。\n這件事情很重要性別平權教育不能等相關的國科會推廣研究或是相關政策推進拜託主委在您的人內一定要持續關注這件事情當然我們剛剛說青少年身經營康科普推廣或是知識經濟產業升級這件事情也非常重要但我覺得這個基本公民常識也要拜託主委跟國科會拜託更多學者專家一起努力謝謝謝謝主席謝謝\n主委請回。那我們現在就先來處理解凍案7案。請議事委員員宣讀。\n國家科學及技術委員會行為1月23年度中央政府總預算決議解凍財團法人國家實驗研究院發展計劃預算凍結1000萬元書面報告請查照案國家科學及技術委員會行為113年度中央政府總預算決議解凍財團法人國家同步輻射研究中心發展計劃預算凍結500萬元書面報告請查照案\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.898 --> 00:10.144\n謝謝主席那有請新的國科會主委吳主委謝謝好有請吳主委主委早安辛苦了我想先請問主委一個問題\n\n00:21.476 --> 00:36.387\n剛剛國民黨葉元之委員在跟您質詢的時候他提了那五個字我實在是不想再念一次喔對於長年從事性別平等教育的我來說我不想再念剛剛葉元之委員講的那五個字我想主委應該也不想重複齁\n\n00:37.788 --> 00:58.134\n但是我要強調從剛剛葉元芝的委員發言主委你認不認同性別平權教育不能再等待他應該也要是國科會從之前很多位主委一直流傳下來到未來應該也會是您非常重要的施政方向請您做回應是是你要不要再多說一點\n\n00:59.329 --> 01:24.398\n同意同意同意好同意那我們就不要再講那五個字了啦我也希望所有的不管是哪一黨的委員自己的性別平權相關概念如果不足是不是應該更加強應該加強這也是國科會不管是在做相關政策的推動或者是相關研究的關懷甚至是你們我們等一下會提到的科普列車我也期許主委您在相關的性別平權這件事情上絕對絕對要再持續好嗎\n\n01:27.479 --> 01:43.045\n免得又發生像剛剛那樣的發言。好,謝謝主委。昨天您跟舊的主委交接了,前吳主委。我很好奇他有沒有跟您說到什麼是他任內還來不及做完的,他還有一些關懷跟有些熱情的,希望您可以持續推動的。他其實有很多的想法。\n\n01:50.126 --> 02:03.230\n一、國際的拓展我們跟很多的國家簽訂了雙邊的科技協議再來就是說我們在促進台灣的產業發展雖然國科會\n\n02:05.211 --> 02:30.564\n以這個學界的力量做研發的工作但是最後還是要落地到能夠協助產業發展這一部分他也很努力那我也希望能夠持續那這個產業的發展不但是我們的科技業我剛剛有提到我們將來也是想要協助比較傳統的產業也可以利用我們的科技的優勢來互相的這個合作能夠把我們的傳統產業也能夠把它拉升上來\n\n02:31.024 --> 02:35.168\n好,謝謝主委,您剛剛提到了現有的科技產業或是正在發展的科技產業還有傳統產業都希望有學界研究的力量加以支持我們當然也非常認同可是除此之外我也要拜託主委跟您分享\n\n02:45.998 --> 02:51.259\n從我去年上任到現在我們一直在跟前主委談的事情就是關於對於台灣兒童跟青少年的研究其中我們一直標榜我們一直在意拜託國科會開啟相關兒少身心健康的研究我想要先給主委看一下這張報表15歲到24歲自殺死亡率近10年持續上升我想您身為科學家你看到這個數字就不用我再多說\n\n03:13.304 --> 03:38.880\n這張數字、這張表格我想更清楚它告訴我們15歲到24歲自殺通報最多但更令人擔心害怕的是0到14歲持續上升之前在賴總統跟青少年作談當中其實也有很多小學生也提出來他們確實也因為功課壓力家庭或是社區文化或是整個網路環境的變遷確實有越來越多的孩子們感覺到自己身心健康而且是需要大人幫忙的\n\n03:39.861 --> 03:54.506\n之前在跟國科會的討論當中國科會也告訴我們確實有很多專家學者表示對於數位時代青少年身心健康的狀態其實大家是不熟悉的那我們來看一下我們之前一直在跟國科會講\n\n03:55.506 --> 04:22.842\n其實在國外已經有非常非常多的相關研究已經在開展甚至已經有很多研究成果在分享出來但是回到台灣本地對於台灣自己的社區議題家庭議題、教育議題其實跟國外非常多國家非常多的不同那我們有沒有機會在這個不同點上促使台灣更多專家學者願意在國科會的支持下投入相關研究不知道主委您聽到目前為止您有什麼看法不知道主委您認不認同\n\n04:23.863 --> 04:42.332\n用國科會的力量來支持臺灣的專家學者教授進行兒少身心健康的相關研究我認同希望能夠增加所以主委在您的認知底下我們到底還能夠做哪些事情在去年的10月18號我們拜託前主委在相關的研究可以開啟\n\n04:43.172 --> 05:00.647\n我們也非常感謝國科會確實當時也協同教育部還有衛福部開啟了相關會議的討論可是看起來大家認為有跨部會的問題或者是如何取得這些學生資料的問題或者是一旦有很多研究他必須要進入校園當中他可能會有很多實務上的困境\n\n05:01.167 --> 05:28.376\n所以我要再次強調這件事情在新主委您上任之後您剛剛也說你非常認同那您覺得在實際的做法上您可以怎麼樣鼓勵相關專案研究的開啟或者是一個更大的計畫來主動積極的邀請台灣不同領域但是跟身心健康有關跟認識兒少有關甚至是跟家庭教育學校學習環境有關共同開啟一個跨部會的研究或是跨科別的研究主委這邊可以簡單表示一下意見嗎\n\n05:29.690 --> 05:39.897\n我們據同仁跟我講我們已經在啟動了就是委員關心這個事情已經在啟動那我會關注這個事我會持續來協助來連結我們其他的部會\n\n05:45.201 --> 05:47.283\n接下來我們要談一下主委您自己的LINE裡面有沒有加入災防中心的這個社群?\n\n06:02.889 --> 06:17.786\n你這樣微笑看就是沒有啦我跟你分享一下這個也是去年我們在跟國科會開會的時候國科會建議我說委員你可以加入我們就真的有加入囉然後在地震之後呢果然是很有幫助的齁那主委你知不知道我們這個災防中心的LINE帳號\n\n06:18.787 --> 06:44.187\n他不僅可以闢謠,重點是他可以第一時間提供正確資訊。0403大地震的時候當天除了很多各地的災情回報之外,第一個我的手機所收到的謠言就是龜山島的那個頭啊,掉了。大家就很緊張瘋傳,但是呢當時就有正確資訊出來闢謠。那主委你知道嗎目前台灣有多少人加入這個災防中心的LINE帳號?\n\n06:45.487 --> 07:05.394\n一百六十三萬有有你的同仁很近者一百六十三萬可是少你一個主委拜託要加入這樣那我們去年呢這個災防中心的LINE帳號發出了三億七千萬則訊息主委你眉毛抬了一下你很驚訝對不對這個數字而且這些訊息非常非常重要我們來往下看\n\n07:08.342 --> 07:30.660\n好,那這麼多訊息他如何協助國人這個事情非常非常重要可是呢在0403正後一個月災防中心因為發送LINE訊息超過1億則導致系統熔斷無法發出訊息你們很快做出回應也做出調整從此以後呢這個訊息標榜是沒有上線這個部分可不可以請主委或是請您的幕僚說明一下好我請主任來討論好謝謝\n\n07:31.861 --> 07:38.164\n委員你好也就是4月22號啊他因為超過了一個月是超過了8000萬折對那現在我們跟那公司啊這個談妥了他要給我們吳上線也就是吃到飽啊那後續這個合作會持續下去嗎會持續下去好我們希望這個要持續\n\n07:48.709 --> 07:49.169\n主委您是來自運客中心\n\n08:09.258 --> 08:09.338\n您認同嗎?\n\n08:27.754 --> 08:41.097\n那你認為在運動科學是這樣那一般的科學呢或是更廣泛包含剛剛有非常多委員問到AI你覺得這些科學知識需不需要更花力氣更花很多的方法跟新時代的公民溝通\n\n08:43.241 --> 09:03.329\n除了這個溝通之外您認為我們其實照國科會在過往在科普活動上你們做了列車然後也做了這個競效員的活動那甚至呢在去年吧今年新增了這所謂小孩的角度的視角KidsScience你們有人文沙龍有TTATalk活動但是我們要再一次提醒國科會\n\n09:04.733 --> 09:23.792\n其實在科學技術基本法入法之後相關會與所謂科學普及這件事情在立法說明裡面有一段我想要再次拜託國科會也許過往不在國科會的視野當中但是未來我希望國科會可以努力提升這件事情就是所有的科學技術研究發展預算的研究計畫制定的時候應納入科普推廣的考量\n\n09:28.277 --> 09:44.309\n要讓國人可以進一步了解國內科研預算的使用成果提高一般民眾對於科學知識了解跟興趣還可以成為知識經濟產業升級的動力主委您怎麼看這件事情不管是知識的傳播或是知識經濟產業升級\n\n09:47.730 --> 09:54.338\n您可以請您的幕僚回答。我個人認為這是很正面的,我們應該做。好,謝謝。其實這個概念是非常正確的,因為各行各業\n\n10:02.329 --> 10:03.209\n主委﹗主席再給我30秒就好了。\n\n10:31.784 --> 10:53.289\n這件事情很重要性別平權教育不能等相關的國科會推廣研究或是相關政策推進拜託主委在您的人內一定要持續關注這件事情當然我們剛剛說青少年身經營康科普推廣或是知識經濟產業升級這件事情也非常重要但我覺得這個基本公民常識也要拜託主委跟國科會拜託更多學者專家一起努力謝謝謝謝主席謝謝\n\n11:00.436 --> 11:02.401\n主委請回。那我們現在就先來處理解凍案7案。請議事委員員宣讀。\n\n11:11.312 --> 11:30.145\n國家科學及技術委員會行為1月23年度中央政府總預算決議解凍財團法人國家實驗研究院發展計劃預算凍結1000萬元書面報告請查照案國家科學及技術委員會行為113年度中央政府總預算決議解凍財團法人國家同步輻射研究中心發展計劃預算凍結500萬元書面報告請查照案\n\n","segments":[{"start":5.898,"end":10.144,"text":"謝謝主席 那有請新的國科會主委吳主委 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