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00:03:37,081\n有我們協助台積電在台灣繼續擴散他的製造基地應該有的協助政府一定都會幫政府都一定會協助嘛一定會協助我現在跟主委分享一件事啦事實上以台積電來說齁他們不用說台積電如果以半導體來說整個半導體我們知道它的原料都是進口的\n\n11\n00:03:38,018 --> 00:03:59,298\n那我們台積電或者是所有的半導體廠商他們所生產出來的不管是成熟製程或者是先進製程我們目的就是要出口我們準備看出口的錢那我們現在所有的出口不管是我們的設備原料的進口那跟他們產品的出口我們是靠什麼靠靠哪一種運輸\n\n12\n00:04:04,355 --> 00:04:22,119\n出口啊?當然海運空運都有吧?應該都是空運吧?你如果是晶片當然是空運啊?晶片是空運嗎?那原料都不一定?原料是不一定。那所以咧?那如果以現在空運,如果我們出口好,出口是走空運的話,那我們現在空運的機場夠嗎?機場?要走到空運的?空運是OK啦。夠嗎?是夠的嗎?\n\n13\n00:04:33,666 --> 00:04:40,088\n依舊我所知啦,要空運的,台灣的空運超過百分之九十都是走東向國際基礎,是吧?你說基礎的數量就對了?對啊,基礎的數量,都是走東向啦。這樣我們南部應該要有就對了,你意思是什麼?對啦,好,好,南部。\n\n14\n00:04:56,673 --> 00:05:22,516\n我現在要跟主委說你現在都遭逮捕了我們現在南部從高雄、台南甚至未來嘉義的封莊它已經變成一個半導體的聚落基地了那是這些半導體它要出口它又要通過一個很長途的陸運運到了桃園的國際機場然後再轉空運然後運到全世界去\n\n15\n00:05:24,177 --> 00:05:46,812\n現在的生態就是這樣那如果日本你看他對他為了要雄本台積電設廠他們可以願意花了這麼多錢只是為了台積電設廠讓我們台灣很幸福我們已經有台積電而且台積電持續在我們台灣在佈局那為什麼我們的基礎設施不能因應半導體產業我們來做這個強化勒\n\n16\n00:05:50,002 --> 00:06:02,435\n欸這個很好的見解喔我也很希望有啊好啊那主委我覺得這件事就麻煩國科會跳進來主導那南部有一個巨規模的加國機場\n\n17\n00:06:04,774 --> 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