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謝謝邱志偉委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:01.109\n委員所以先感謝跟肯定主席在這邊發言還有4分鐘比在院會發言還長院會發言只有3分鐘本席得票有12萬多只給我3分鐘針對立法院執行新制法\n\n00:27.045 --> 00:28.005\n議員吳誠文列席報告業務概況．\n\n00:50.582 --> 01:10.107\n目前營業額最高是哪一個園區?南科一兆五千多億超越竹科、超越松科目前三個園區管理局的預算跟人力配置是哪一個局最少?南科很奇怪產值最高、轄區最廣\n\n01:13.311 --> 01:37.037\n南科之外還有高雄科學園區,高雄科學園區包括路竹包括橋頭,未來還有嘉義,再來屏東我會來監促,我會來監促人不夠人,有時候又不夠,殘疾他管不是要台灣要均衡嗎?總統說台灣要均衡,均衡台灣總統有交代了,總統有交代所以我會來爭取你從人力從預算就要增加\n\n01:38.700 --> 02:04.885\n從夏威夷要審預算,我希望夏威夷就可以立竿見影,可以嗎?好,謝謝委員支持。你平平點頭啊。好,謝謝委員支持。一定要預算反映出來喔。那個,市長,你們有話要說嗎?他一定同意的,他一定同意的。你們有苦呢?你們要訴苦一下呢?沒有嗎?辛苦啦齁,人家管那麼多圓曲圓曲真的是不簡單啦。還是要努力啊。\n\n02:07.286 --> 02:26.625\n海外設置科學園區把科學園區的這個我們成功的經驗這個模式來到海外那當然郭志輝這個部長也有這個概念對不對最有可能成型的是哪一個區域東北亞的日本韓國還是東南亞的越南還是哪些國家\n\n02:27.850 --> 02:55.942\n我想日本他們自己在經營園區已經很有經驗了大概不需要我們協助日本反而需要日本需要我們的廠商進駐我們去把這個海外台灣的這個科學園區科學園區的海外版我們在那邊生產比如說那個台積電去熊本對不對所以九州就是一個非常好的區域\n\n02:57.287 --> 02:57.487\n議員吳誠文列席\n\n03:10.939 --> 03:28.473\n日本政府願意學習台灣經驗,我們當然很樂意。據我瞭解,郭部長也跟他們接觸過,他們是很有意願,也不是相對於本州或者是四國,九州的條件,第一個離台灣近,\n\n03:29.810 --> 03:35.856\n二、半導體的產業鏈慢慢逐漸在形成除了日本之外東南亞\n\n03:40.100 --> 04:05.700\n哪一個國家比較有可能複製台灣的海外版的科學園區?其實我們目前已經有協助民間業者到印度去經營這個...印度,印度勞動力充沛,而且相關的半導體相關能財也多。除了印度之外,越南有沒有可能?越南其實也是一個我們設想中有可能的國家。所以這個概念很好,那怎麼要具體落實?\n\n04:06.781 --> 04:07.001\n議員吳誠文列席報告\n\n04:31.041 --> 04:48.533\n邱志偉我本身還沒有去過有空去看一下這個正在這個有些在建廠那行政中心已經發包出去了是是所以未來是這個護國神山聚集的地方是未來這個台灣半導體的產業鏈的重鎮\n\n04:50.874 --> 04:51.575\n議員吳誠文列席報告\n\n05:20.165 --> 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