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00:00:50,975\n委員長早安今天非常感謝我們主席今天安排有關刑法第八十條或者是八十三條的修正大致上就是有關刑法追溯權檢討對兒少的性侵害案件的追溯權的這些檢討\n\n3\n00:01:00,458 --> 00:01:26,602\n那這裡這裡我們看到的幾個目前的委員的提案齁大概一個是一個是要完希望就是希望能夠完全排除時效的規定齁那另外一個是這個希望這個時效的起算從這個成年期開始嘛對不對那這個我想齁今天之所以這個案子齁這個我們今天主席會排審那\n\n4\n00:01:27,574 --> 00:01:46,646\n我們這個社會也對這個案子高度的關注那我想這個大概有幾個原因第一個就是說說這個確實有許多對於這個這個兒少的這個性侵害犯罪他就是因為這個追訴期間\n\n5\n00:01:48,291 --> 00:02:17,778\n的這個的的已過了吼那所以他造成這個對兒少性侵害難以確實的定罪了吼是那這個這個狀況很多原因來自於這個這個因為受害對受害者而言在他可能在在這個未成年之前吼他完全對對於這樣子的這個相關性侵害的這些相關的的法法令或者是他的感受吼\n\n6\n00:02:18,941 --> 00:02:42,995\n這個可能並不清楚那成年之後也不是說成年之後清楚他就一定會提起提起告訴然後或者告發這是因為這個有很多有諸多成年之後他會有諸多的這個社會性的考量讓很多人在經過相當長時間的考慮之後他才會決定是不是定義告發所以如果時效從\n\n7\n00:02:43,916 --> 00:02:44,397\n則不予審查閱讀委員\n\n8\n00:03:04,318 --> 00:03:32,473\n另外呢我想這個因為進行這個之前一段時間發生的這些咪吐以及相關的這些對於兒少的這些性犯罪激起了社會的公憤那當然這個對國民來講這個國民的法感情來講這個逍遙法外讓這些犯罪因為時間的關係而逍遙法外目前可能造成這個國民的法感情沒有辦法接受\n\n9\n00:03:34,332 --> 00:03:56,337\n那所以我在這裡就是要那但是我剛剛聽了我們這個法務部的報告大致上對於這樣子的修法基本上是覺得應該要在審慎在通盤的考量這部分我同意但是就是因為有這樣子的提案就是希望我們法務部就針對這些相關的時效規定能夠進行通盤的考量\n\n10\n00:03:57,711 --> 00:04:25,175\n那我想先救救這個市長目前目前我們我國的這個刑法有沒有其他的其他的這個犯罪樣態他完全排除時效之規定目前現行法完全排除時效的規定不是那個暫時停止原因就是說他的因為因為犯罪構成要件形態而這個這個排除完全排除時效之的的適用\n\n11\n00:04:25,816 --> 00:04:53,802\n目前的規定目前的規定就是在八十條的第一項第一款裡面那個是停止對就如果有發生就是犯罪重視為本行死刑無期徒刑十年以上有期徒刑是三十年但是如果發生死亡結果的話對發生死亡結果我是說他就不再此現就這個都是跟這個後面的這個停止要件是一樣的還有國家情報的我現在是說有沒有針對犯罪的太陽\n\n12\n00:04:55,182 --> 00:05:19,947\n對於這個構成要點而排除這個追溯時效的。就是只有這一個,這一款。當事人死亡。不是死亡,死亡是...國家情報工作法裡面也有規定。國家情報工作法有一條有規定完全排除時效嗎?來來來,要不要說明一下?我們請副市長。副市長。\n\n13\n00:05:22,349 --> 00:05:47,008\n不好意思跟委員報告就是說國家情報工作法裡面三十條之一針對間諜若有洩密的這個情形的話那在國家情報工作法的規定就是他特別排除了刑法八十條追訴權失效的適用所以目前就我們所知有排除適用的這一條加上刑法剛才次長有提到的八十條第一項第一款發生死亡結果這個死亡情況這不一樣了他是他是他我現在要講的是說犯罪形態但是你剛剛講的這個\n\n14\n00:05:48,749 --> 00:05:57,114\n國家情報工作法國家情報工作法好像只有這一條啦齁所以我個人是這樣子的齁\n\n15\n00:05:58,446 --> 00:06:19,567\n剛剛我講到說國民的法感情對於對於這個犯罪的逍遙法外齁基本上沒有辦法接受尤其是每當發生大家認為人神共憤齁認為說應該言語懲治的案件的時候大家就認為說這個時效的規定齁因為時間而讓犯罪逍遙法外認為不妥但是這個這個市長這個\n\n16\n00:06:24,335 --> 00:06:28,712\n全世界的這些成文法的規定相關規定他都有這個追溯實效的規定\n\n17\n00:06:29,822 --> 00:06:54,055\n有這個追溯權時效規定他一定有他的道理為什麼會規定一個時間來讓犯罪犯罪者消耗法外呢報告委員這是一個法的安定性的考量就是在限制執法機關要擅進追溯的義務在一定時間之後如果沒有擅進這個義務應該追溯權的時效就要完成\n\n18\n00:06:55,600 --> 00:07:17,214\n所以假設啦就是說當然對國民法感情來講逍遙法外這件事大家是無法接受的但是它實效規定有實效規定它本身在法秩序的安定它有它的必要啦所以這個部分我個人認為說這個部分應該要檢討如果法務部覺得說應該通盤檢討那就趕快通盤檢討\n\n19\n00:07:20,373 --> 00:07:45,588\n每一次有委員提案提案說這個部分的這個時效應該要檢討的時候你們就說啊這個不要不宜針對這個個案來檢討我們應該通盤檢討一句話退完之後就從來再沒有沒有再通盤檢討你們說市長能不能說明一下目前我們針對相關的這些時效的這些規定我們有沒有在進行進行檢討去年我們行修的時候有討論過有討論過是有沒有有沒有有沒有去年討論有沒有結論\n\n20\n00:07:47,591 --> 00:07:55,754\n副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長�\n\n21\n00:08:15,481 --> 00:08:22,552\n所以討論的結論大家最後是傾向認為說暫時可能沒有修正八十條或是八十三條的必要。那是那一次行修和操作討論結論。這是兩個層面。我講第一個層面是你們所說的通盤檢討。\n\n22\n00:08:28,055 --> 00:08:44,855\n因為我們要衡量各種不一樣的這個刑事犯罪態樣各種不一樣的這個過程之間他法律的橫平性嘛不能說這個對社會侵害法案比較高的結果他他他在這個相關的時效計算或他的行動之間失去平衡嘛對不對這個所以要通盤檢討所以我剛講的第一個是通盤檢討\n\n23\n00:08:48,419 --> 00:09:11,785\n第二個是個案就是說針對這個這個這個這個兒少性侵害案件就是這次才是剛剛這個我們副副司長的副司長所講這是針對這個這個這個特別針對性侵害犯件案件的這個追溯前時的追溯時效做的檢討嗎我現在是要求這兩個都必須要做通盤檢討了那我個人是是是認為說\n\n24\n00:09:13,342 --> 00:09:24,547\n我們在在你們剛剛法務部的這個書面說明裡面吼我個人認為說這個這個沒有辦法對社會交代啦吼就是說你們你們認為說應該通盤檢討但你們沒有拿出你們真正的有通盤檢討\n\n25\n00:09:26,428 --> 00:09:44,526\n我剛剛聽到的就只有針對這個個案而且檢討的結果是說認為說這個刑度已經夠了或者是這個相關的時效已經比世界各國要長了事實上也也並不盡然啦齁並不盡然剛剛提案委員也有提到有一些國家他是真的就把就把這個像這種\n\n26\n00:09:46,207 --> 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長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長�\n所以討論的結論大家最後是傾向認為說暫時可能沒有修正八十條或是八十三條的必要。那是那一次行修和操作討論結論。這是兩個層面。我講第一個層面是你們所說的通盤檢討。\n因為我們要衡量各種不一樣的這個刑事犯罪態樣各種不一樣的這個過程之間他法律的橫平性嘛不能說這個對社會侵害法案比較高的結果他他他在這個相關的時效計算或他的行動之間失去平衡嘛對不對這個所以要通盤檢討所以我剛講的第一個是通盤檢討\n第二個是個案就是說針對這個這個這個這個兒少性侵害案件就是這次才是剛剛這個我們副副司長的副司長所講這是針對這個這個這個特別針對性侵害犯件案件的這個追溯前時的追溯時效做的檢討嗎我現在是要求這兩個都必須要做通盤檢討了那我個人是是是認為說\n我們在在你們剛剛法務部的這個書面說明裡面吼我個人認為說這個這個沒有辦法對社會交代啦吼就是說你們你們認為說應該通盤檢討但你們沒有拿出你們真正的有通盤檢討\n我剛剛聽到的就只有針對這個個案而且檢討的結果是說認為說這個刑度已經夠了或者是這個相關的時效已經比世界各國要長了事實上也也並不盡然啦齁並不盡然剛剛提案委員也有提到有一些國家他是真的就把就把這個像這種\n刑罪犯罪的追溯懸殊下整個就拿掉確實是有不是沒有只是說因此我是希望說我們法務部還是要針對這個來進行整個的通盤檢討不能每一次委員提案之後只是說這個有這個會有可能上市橫平性這個我都知道問題是你們就真的要進行通盤檢討不是說說而已好不好市長是好謝謝沈委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.262 --> 00:26.742\n沈發惠委員發言主席有請法務部次長請次長不好意思次長謝謝主席委員長\n\n00:30.650 --> 00:50.975\n委員長早安今天非常感謝我們主席今天安排有關刑法第八十條或者是八十三條的修正大致上就是有關刑法追溯權檢討對兒少的性侵害案件的追溯權的這些檢討\n\n01:00.458 --> 01:26.602\n那這裡這裡我們看到的幾個目前的委員的提案齁大概一個是一個是要完希望就是希望能夠完全排除時效的規定齁那另外一個是這個希望這個時效的起算從這個成年期開始嘛對不對那這個我想齁今天之所以這個案子齁這個我們今天主席會排審那\n\n01:27.574 --> 01:46.646\n我們這個社會也對這個案子高度的關注那我想這個大概有幾個原因第一個就是說說這個確實有許多對於這個這個兒少的這個性侵害犯罪他就是因為這個追訴期間\n\n01:48.291 --> 02:17.778\n的這個的的已過了吼那所以他造成這個對兒少性侵害難以確實的定罪了吼是那這個這個狀況很多原因來自於這個這個因為受害對受害者而言在他可能在在這個未成年之前吼他完全對對於這樣子的這個相關性侵害的這些相關的的法法令或者是他的感受吼\n\n02:18.941 --> 02:42.995\n這個可能並不清楚那成年之後也不是說成年之後清楚他就一定會提起提起告訴然後或者告發這是因為這個有很多有諸多成年之後他會有諸多的這個社會性的考量讓很多人在經過相當長時間的考慮之後他才會決定是不是定義告發所以如果時效從\n\n02:43.916 --> 02:44.397\n則不予審查閱讀委員\n\n03:04.318 --> 03:32.473\n另外呢我想這個因為進行這個之前一段時間發生的這些咪吐以及相關的這些對於兒少的這些性犯罪激起了社會的公憤那當然這個對國民來講這個國民的法感情來講這個逍遙法外讓這些犯罪因為時間的關係而逍遙法外目前可能造成這個國民的法感情沒有辦法接受\n\n03:34.332 --> 03:56.337\n那所以我在這裡就是要那但是我剛剛聽了我們這個法務部的報告大致上對於這樣子的修法基本上是覺得應該要在審慎在通盤的考量這部分我同意但是就是因為有這樣子的提案就是希望我們法務部就針對這些相關的時效規定能夠進行通盤的考量\n\n03:57.711 --> 04:25.175\n那我想先救救這個市長目前目前我們我國的這個刑法有沒有其他的其他的這個犯罪樣態他完全排除時效之規定目前現行法完全排除時效的規定不是那個暫時停止原因就是說他的因為因為犯罪構成要件形態而這個這個排除完全排除時效之的的適用\n\n04:25.816 --> 04:53.802\n目前的規定目前的規定就是在八十條的第一項第一款裡面那個是停止對就如果有發生就是犯罪重視為本行死刑無期徒刑十年以上有期徒刑是三十年但是如果發生死亡結果的話對發生死亡結果我是說他就不再此現就這個都是跟這個後面的這個停止要件是一樣的還有國家情報的我現在是說有沒有針對犯罪的太陽\n\n04:55.182 --> 05:19.947\n對於這個構成要點而排除這個追溯時效的。就是只有這一個,這一款。當事人死亡。不是死亡,死亡是...國家情報工作法裡面也有規定。國家情報工作法有一條有規定完全排除時效嗎?來來來,要不要說明一下?我們請副市長。副市長。\n\n05:22.349 --> 05:47.008\n不好意思跟委員報告就是說國家情報工作法裡面三十條之一針對間諜若有洩密的這個情形的話那在國家情報工作法的規定就是他特別排除了刑法八十條追訴權失效的適用所以目前就我們所知有排除適用的這一條加上刑法剛才次長有提到的八十條第一項第一款發生死亡結果這個死亡情況這不一樣了他是他是他我現在要講的是說犯罪形態但是你剛剛講的這個\n\n05:48.749 --> 05:57.114\n國家情報工作法國家情報工作法好像只有這一條啦齁所以我個人是這樣子的齁\n\n05:58.446 --> 06:19.567\n剛剛我講到說國民的法感情對於對於這個犯罪的逍遙法外齁基本上沒有辦法接受尤其是每當發生大家認為人神共憤齁認為說應該言語懲治的案件的時候大家就認為說這個時效的規定齁因為時間而讓犯罪逍遙法外認為不妥但是這個這個市長這個\n\n06:24.335 --> 06:28.712\n全世界的這些成文法的規定相關規定他都有這個追溯實效的規定\n\n06:29.822 --> 06:54.055\n有這個追溯權時效規定他一定有他的道理為什麼會規定一個時間來讓犯罪犯罪者消耗法外呢報告委員這是一個法的安定性的考量就是在限制執法機關要擅進追溯的義務在一定時間之後如果沒有擅進這個義務應該追溯權的時效就要完成\n\n06:55.600 --> 07:17.214\n所以假設啦就是說當然對國民法感情來講逍遙法外這件事大家是無法接受的但是它實效規定有實效規定它本身在法秩序的安定它有它的必要啦所以這個部分我個人認為說這個部分應該要檢討如果法務部覺得說應該通盤檢討那就趕快通盤檢討\n\n07:20.373 --> 07:45.588\n每一次有委員提案提案說這個部分的這個時效應該要檢討的時候你們就說啊這個不要不宜針對這個個案來檢討我們應該通盤檢討一句話退完之後就從來再沒有沒有再通盤檢討你們說市長能不能說明一下目前我們針對相關的這些時效的這些規定我們有沒有在進行進行檢討去年我們行修的時候有討論過有討論過是有沒有有沒有有沒有去年討論有沒有結論\n\n07:47.591 --> 07:55.754\n副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長副市長�\n\n08:15.481 --> 08:22.552\n所以討論的結論大家最後是傾向認為說暫時可能沒有修正八十條或是八十三條的必要。那是那一次行修和操作討論結論。這是兩個層面。我講第一個層面是你們所說的通盤檢討。\n\n08:28.055 --> 08:44.855\n因為我們要衡量各種不一樣的這個刑事犯罪態樣各種不一樣的這個過程之間他法律的橫平性嘛不能說這個對社會侵害法案比較高的結果他他他在這個相關的時效計算或他的行動之間失去平衡嘛對不對這個所以要通盤檢討所以我剛講的第一個是通盤檢討\n\n08:48.419 --> 09:11.785\n第二個是個案就是說針對這個這個這個這個兒少性侵害案件就是這次才是剛剛這個我們副副司長的副司長所講這是針對這個這個這個特別針對性侵害犯件案件的這個追溯前時的追溯時效做的檢討嗎我現在是要求這兩個都必須要做通盤檢討了那我個人是是是認為說\n\n09:13.342 --> 09:24.547\n我們在在你們剛剛法務部的這個書面說明裡面吼我個人認為說這個這個沒有辦法對社會交代啦吼就是說你們你們認為說應該通盤檢討但你們沒有拿出你們真正的有通盤檢討\n\n09:26.428 --> 09:44.526\n我剛剛聽到的就只有針對這個個案而且檢討的結果是說認為說這個刑度已經夠了或者是這個相關的時效已經比世界各國要長了事實上也也並不盡然啦齁並不盡然剛剛提案委員也有提到有一些國家他是真的就把就把這個像這種\n\n09:46.207 --> 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