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00:02:07,970\n那個刑法八十條所列的這些都是以刑度來決定說追訴權的實效。那這個概念大概就是當然我們追訴不法這是我們的義務但是有時候會考慮到法的安定性的問題法秩序的安定性的問題那就是在督促執法機關要善盡了追訴的義務這是科與執法機關的一個義務所以在執法機關待於行使一段期間之後\n\n6\n00:02:08,370 --> 00:02:08,450\n議員魯明哲\n\n7\n00:02:27,759 --> 00:02:27,799\n拜訪委員\n\n8\n00:02:43,783 --> 00:03:12,097\n這個今天一個成年人對一個毫無抵抗能力的幼童性侵猥褻卻只要等20年之後就可以不用負任何的法律責任受害人卻要承受這份傷痛一輩子那看著加害人逍遙法外我自己都不太能夠接受那相信社會大眾也應該很難接受那我想請問是不是追溯期所設定的時效反而成了加害者脫罪的一個救命符\n\n9\n00:03:13,106 --> 00:03:37,151\n追溯報言追溯權的時效你從另外一個角度來看執法機關上市的這個追溯權其實對被告來講他就是在訴訟上得到一個利益那如果用這個角度來看幾乎所有的案子好像都不應該有追溯權時效的問題如果是真的一個被告他做錯壞事情本來就應該被懲罰\n\n10\n00:03:38,711 --> 00:03:39,272\n則不復議同意書．則不復議同意書\n\n11\n00:04:02,711 --> 00:04:19,663\n我們從這個2023年的這個衛福部的統計資料來看未成年受害者佔了整體的55%那我想法律應該是要保護弱勢的一方受到這個性侵的兒少應該有更極端的這個弱勢從過去的這個調查結果來看\n\n12\n00:04:22,165 --> 00:04:22,545\n委員．陳俊宇\n\n13\n00:04:45,353 --> 00:04:56,013\n多多的和這個衛福部來溝通看看想加考慮性犯罪的特殊性也多站在受害者的立場讓這個法律能夠更貼近現實的狀況市長您認為\n\n14\n00:04:59,057 --> 00:05:00,079\n我對於這個狀況其實我是很清楚的。\n\n15\n00:05:15,438 --> 00:05:35,209\n那這個是一個在制度上設計是我們到底是要好放棄所有的這個這個我們追溯權的政策我們來就是完全保護這個這個未成年人呢我這個也是一種選擇那還是說我們尊重這一個追溯權這個制度的一個的設計啊我想這個是一個選擇\n\n16\n00:05:38,510 --> 00:06:03,237\n我們尊重委員所提出來的這些修正的意見我們真的是非常的尊重我們只是現在目前是針對制度面的考量要不要這樣設計提供建議法務部並沒有站在反對的立場我們只是建議說在制度有些事不明確這個有時候會將來好像特別就有些特別的犯罪到底指的是什麼\n\n17\n00:06:03,677 --> 00:06:03,777\n則不予審查\n\n18\n00:06:26,164 --> 00:06:48,217\n蔡清祥前部長就曾經到立法院來進行專案報告當時就有委員提出部分的這個歐美國家對於性犯罪完全沒有追溯實效蔡部長也回應而稍後的部分可以討論會收集各國這個狀況來進行綜合的研究那我想請問我們法務部這邊是否已經有研擬各國的這個實施的情況還有相關的辦法\n\n19\n00:06:53,503 --> 00:07:13,781\n我們剛才副市長有特別報告去年我們有研修小組針對這個部分已經做過討論那討論的結果認為以目前的制度應該不影響那個是未成年人他在成年之後他的追溯其實有一個很大的因素這個案子不好辦就是\n\n20\n00:07:14,462 --> 00:07:15,983\n我們也看到這個他國的相關的這個\n\n21\n00:07:44,935 --> 00:08:11,592\n那在智利的總統智利總統曾經在2019年簽署了廢除兒童這個性犯罪追溯期的法律那加拿大的也並沒有針對這個性犯罪的法律追溯期來做一個期限的這個訂定那假設我國也取消兒少性犯罪的追溯時效的目標然後法務部我們這邊認為可能會遇到什麼樣的困難或是或是有什麼其他的問題嗎\n\n22\n00:08:14,824 --> 00:08:16,046\n副市長回答就好了。副市長\n\n23\n00:08:30,426 --> 00:08:52,401\n報告委員就是說有關於那個取消追訴權時效會不會造成問題的這個部分那就誠如剛才我們書面報告所講的基本上我們就是要考慮一下各罪之間法醫的平衡因為目前我們現在大概就只有國家情報工作法的三十條之一是特別排除時效的規定還有八十條第一項第一款有造成死亡結果的部分那要不要再納入其他的犯罪或者說有沒有其他犯罪其實跟兒少\n\n24\n00:08:53,241 --> 00:09:21,754\n罪的性質可能也是相當。這個部分就是必須要做一個通盤性的檢討。不然怕也許會有一些輕重失衡的疑慮。因為畢竟那個沒有追出權時效是一個例外的情形。市長那其實對於這個兒少性侵相關問題我真的希望我們法務部應該是要這個用更多的這個心思去關心。讓我們這個因為小孩子他在這個未成年的當下他可能對於這個事情都一知半解。\n\n25\n00:09:22,214 --> 00:09:47,128\n只是到成年之後他才會去了解所以我希望說我們國家要保護我們的這個兒童保護我們的這個幼兒應該是從這個法律面應該去制定比較符合大家所期待的一個這個制度讓未來可以遵循以外也能夠讓這個加害者能夠這個有警惕之心不要說因為我們訂的法如果不夠重的話反而這個變成他們這個\n\n26\n00:09:49,589 --> 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