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00:00:39,304\n好部長好部長這個其實以我們選區民意代表來說那選區民意代表大概最關心的應該是選區內的一個網路的一個普及度的一個問題那我們數位發展部有針對就是有定性一些辦法就是針對法定的偏遠地區那有一些補助的要點對不對\n\n3\n00:00:41,065 --> 00:00:47,013\n好那這些補助的要點我不曉得您上任後有沒有同仁跟您報告怎樣叫做法定的偏遠地區\n\n4\n00:00:50,131 --> 00:01:14,430\n委員長,這是平原地區的服務的普及,那個矽脂東山里。第一個我想Fundamental原則是我們希望這個數位落差能夠縮減。所以各個鄉里應該都有很好的數位建設,包括網路的建設。所以這是我們推動的一個主要的一個方向。再來未來我上的也是一個操作方向去努力。\n\n5\n00:01:14,750 --> 00:01:40,375\n所以原則上我們現在的辦法大概是用行政區的平均人口來當作一個畫色的要點嘛對不對但是其實如果說有接觸過地方民政、理政的這個政府體系應該很清楚其實同一個行政區它的人口密度也會有相當大的落差可能就像一個新北市有一個新北市有一個板橋區可能新北市也有平溪區那在每一個行政區下面它可能\n\n6\n00:01:41,380 --> 00:02:07,571\n每個區可能像有的林口它一個里就兩萬多人了那有些像比較在平溪啊或者是比較偏向的地方它一個里可能就幾百人而已一百多個人所以說如果說單純以行政區來做一個補助的一個當作一個單位的話那可能會發現一個行政區它有的地方它的人口很密集它有些地方的人口它是非常稀少那它的通訊網路是非常的脆弱的\n\n7\n00:02:08,231 --> 00:02:19,584\n那我不曉得這個補助要點或者是這個補助的對象的這個基準有沒有放寬的一個可能性不是放寬應該是說因地制宜的調整這樣子這個我請我們這市長來做個更進一步的說明謝謝委員\n\n8\n00:02:24,588 --> 00:02:45,746\n我想就以委員的以細節我們來為例我們舉例那剛剛委員其實說得很好我們針對普及服務這個機制已經從鄉鎮因為剛剛我們說的很多區他雖然人口低於51%或高於50%平均的五分之一但是他其實很多村里\n\n9\n00:02:46,246 --> 00:02:48,068\n所以之後會再調整嗎?是是\n\n10\n00:03:04,401 --> 00:03:28,793\n那接下來請問一下另外一個問題就是我前一陣子也有去太平島啦那當然我們的這個這一次的業務概況報告裡面有提到我們太平島的通訊嘛那我們在113年4月的時候有提供太平島SES的中軌衛星訊號嘛強化島上的通訊衛星但我們同樣的在我們報告裡面有看到說\n\n11\n00:03:30,137 --> 00:03:55,675\n第12頁的部分有提到說我們目前有關於軌道衛星的申請SES目前是只有阿爾康資料處理股份有限公司有在有申請嘛申請許可那我們中華電信股份有限公司是以OneWeb的這個衛星來當作一個衛星的一個合作對象嘛那我想確認一下因為太平島他算是比較軍事這個\n\n12\n00:03:59,014 --> 00:04:00,436\n中華電信目前有取得SES的合作會信嗎?夥伴啊?\n\n13\n00:04:21,428 --> 00:04:44,279\n報告委員因為現在的剛剛提的衛星有兩種一個是用驗證的方式所以中華電信在太平島上面現在SES是驗證是透過POC的方式在處理那原先它有ST2是用商轉的方式是高軌衛星目前太平島因為是軍事區就像委員說的它是管制區所以它的這個管制上比較嚴格\n\n14\n00:04:45,439 --> 00:05:05,062\n所以他上面的通訊網路不需要透過這個另外的一個申請的一個評估的一個申請嗎他也可以跟中華電信申請用商轉的評估那我們現在用為了補強加強他的韌性我們用驗證的方式來先用中軌衛星來證明他用另外一個辦法來提升他的網路韌性是的\n\n15\n00:05:05,623 --> 00:05:31,443\n好那因為現在這個衛星網路算是慢慢的臺灣要去跟國際接軌嘛對不對那我想確認部長原則上衛星網路將來如果說普及之後就以不管是我們臺灣本島或是外島將來應該都是可以以100%的涵蓋率來改善我們全臺灣的通訊網路設備這應該是沒有問題嗎應該沒問題啊衛星在天上那個應該沒有什麼特別的視角除非你在山谷裡面\n\n16\n00:05:31,863 --> 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申請許可那我們中華電信股份有限公司是以OneWeb的這個衛星來當作一個衛星的一個合作對象嘛那我想確認一下因為太平島他算是比較軍事這個\n中華電信目前有取得SES的合作會信嗎?夥伴啊?\n報告委員因為現在的剛剛提的衛星有兩種一個是用驗證的方式所以中華電信在太平島上面現在SES是驗證是透過POC的方式在處理那原先它有ST2是用商轉的方式是高軌衛星目前太平島因為是軍事區就像委員說的它是管制區所以它的這個管制上比較嚴格\n所以他上面的通訊網路不需要透過這個另外的一個申請的一個評估的一個申請嗎他也可以跟中華電信申請用商轉的評估那我們現在用為了補強加強他的韌性我們用驗證的方式來先用中軌衛星來證明他用另外一個辦法來提升他的網路韌性是的\n好那因為現在這個衛星網路算是慢慢的臺灣要去跟國際接軌嘛對不對那我想確認部長原則上衛星網路將來如果說普及之後就以不管是我們臺灣本島或是外島將來應該都是可以以100%的涵蓋率來改善我們全臺灣的通訊網路設備這應該是沒有問題嗎應該沒問題啊衛星在天上那個應該沒有什麼特別的視角除非你在山谷裡面\n是,所以100%那我們這樣子數位我們數發部啦如果說以100%為目標的話我們有沒有設定一個目標年希望能夠我們全台灣利用衛星網路在民國幾年之前可以達到100%的數位網路的服務\n今年底他現在的目標是今年底所以就是今年2024年底2024年底我們全台灣可以透過衛星網路達到全台灣除了剛剛部長講的可能地形的關係原則上是涵蓋全台灣100%的網路通訊設備的服務\n好那這部分的一些基礎設置設備建制啦因為微信網路還是有一些需要有一些資訊接收的一些設備嘛那原來上這些東西是我們也是會同步都會把它建制好嗎對都會引進好就是今年為目標然後全台灣100%的涵蓋率來完成這樣子好謝謝部長謝謝謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.616 --> 00:08.989\n好那就麻煩主席邀請我們黃部長請黃部長\n\n00:17.236 --> 00:39.304\n好部長好部長這個其實以我們選區民意代表來說那選區民意代表大概最關心的應該是選區內的一個網路的一個普及度的一個問題那我們數位發展部有針對就是有定性一些辦法就是針對法定的偏遠地區那有一些補助的要點對不對\n\n00:41.065 --> 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