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想有關中興堂，因為它的土地所有權還是市政府，後來輾轉的使用，其實很多單位都使用過，我想委員很瞭解，包括我們國臺交也用過。它在2012年之後又回歸給臺體大，臺體大畢竟是一個學校，它對文化場館的運用，事實上也沒有多餘的經費、人力跟人才，後來在出借的過程裡面發生了一些狀況，也因為安全的因素，所以後來就是荒廢了。當然，在地方民意代表跟市政府的關心下，目前也在做一些研究，初步也有委員說可以來做電競使用，不過對於中興堂要怎麼使用，我想我們還是尊重地方市政府的所有權，文化界人士或其他人士想要一起來把這個中興堂活化，我想是可以一起來參與，因為地方現在決策也都非常的透明。"],["陳委員培瑜：這邊我想要拜託次長，是不是由教育部來發動，邀請政委還有文化部共同協調，把中央政府該有的責任跟提供相關的資源、經費去協助地方，也讓這個地方活化？因為它活化的不會只是所謂市政府的財產跟土地，其實是整個文化權。"],["張廖次長萬堅：謝謝委員的關心，我們來努力，好不好？謝謝。"],["陳委員培瑜：好，謝謝次長。謝謝主席，謝謝。"],["主席：好，謝謝。接下來請洪孟楷委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":342,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-22-14","speakers":["柯志恩","萬美玲","陳培瑜","洪孟楷","林倩綺","葉元之","郭昱晴","葛如鈞","吳沛憶","陳秀寳","林宜瑾","張雅琳","吳春城","羅廷瑋","吳思瑤","鄭天財Sra 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00:01:26,244\n謝謝部長那可不可以先把時間給兩位次長謝謝各30秒謝謝\n\n5\n00:01:40,213 --> 00:02:06,341\n好謝謝委員我想我來到這邊我過去大家都知道我在教育文化委員會那我負責督導國教跟體育的方面那四肢培育也是那我希望將來有機會進入到教育部之後把過去我所了解的理念能夠逐步的落實配合教育部的政策剛才部長講了非常多那委員也有很多指教那我也希望教育部能夠我能夠\n\n6\n00:02:08,762 --> 00:02:24,499\n聽到更多的反應然後來協助部長來推動整個這個包括國教方面我們講到108課綱的落實素養教育等等然後體育屬這個升格為體育部的事情我也會特別特別的來加速協調跟推動謝謝\n\n7\n00:02:26,061 --> 00:02:41,499\n好謝謝張亮次長你剛剛講到說你希望聽到更多的聲音我相信這也是所有人對您的期待還有你剛剛講到體育署要升級這件事情這個部分我覺得大家更期待也許是您有機會直接擔任部長我覺得是更多人的想望接下來歡迎麻煩次長謝謝葉次長\n\n8\n00:02:45,122 --> 00:03:06,312\n謝謝委員,我想就是說在這個少子化的臺灣我們覺得現在的臺灣其實我們特別在產業的發展上面其實是蠻欠缺人才的那怎樣在少子化的臺灣可以讓臺灣有更多的人才這是我覺得是我這一次會想要加入教育部的一個大原因特別是過去因為我自己在大學然後自己又出來創業我發現就是說因為有這兩邊的\n\n9\n00:03:08,693 --> 00:03:28,040\n我發現在大學裡面對產業真的瞭解的這個學校的老師或是學生這方面其實並不是很多所以我未來我希望說我們能夠怎麼樣來做好這個橋接大學跟企業解決學用落差這件事情讓少子化台灣未來的發展不會欠缺人才我想這是我未來會很努力的目標\n\n10\n00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:53,209\n謝謝葉副部長我剛剛聽到您說的重點就產業跟學界之間的合作這件事情我想大家都非常期待好那有先先請兩位次長請回謝謝也謝謝你們的回覆我相信大家都非常期待兩位次長還有新部長那第一個想跟部長您談一下關於行政減量這件事情其實我們教育部已經喊了很多年那可是現場的困境是這樣的跟著跟部長您分享這個是新北市的某一所國小\n\n11\n00:04:12,952 --> 00:04:37,321\n拜課還有跟家長之間的互動甚至還要處理班級經營或者是學生的很多日常的突發狀況只光是國小的部分就這樣我們來看一下國中更慘43個為什麼我說更慘呢因為很多國中生的教學還有跟家長的互動其實那個日常的負荷量是非常非常大的那光是把委員會列出來就這麼多而且這個是學校老師整理給我們作為參考我想要問部長\n\n12\n00:04:39,582 --> 00:04:49,121\n我們到底該怎麼做到行政減量這件事情甚至到最近都還有投書現場老師對於行政減量是非常非常非常無感的到底我們可以怎麼做這件事情\n\n13\n00:04:51,385 --> 00:05:11,815\n謝謝委員的關心,確實我在上個禮拜在聽各部會的各司處的一些工作報告我也非常理解來自於基層第一線上國中小老師跟甚至行政這些主任校長他們也深感到這一個行政\n\n14\n00:05:12,435 --> 00:05:12,455\n委員會議\n\n15\n00:05:27,449 --> 00:05:27,529\n主席\n\n16\n00:05:52,432 --> 00:06:11,550\n教學的一個專業裡邊盡量能夠從專業的一個教學去協助我們這個新世代這個不管小學生或者年輕人的一些學習回到一個教育的一個更好的一個教學的一個品質\n\n17\n00:06:12,170 --> 00:06:29,929\n好,因為我時間有限但是我已經聽到部長您是第一時間就有關心這件事情而且您也做了相關的指示那我們非常期待後續的調整我們辦公室也會持續追蹤可是我就快速再跟部長分享另外一個狀況除了教育部可以有非常多的公文跟非常多的行政指導給學校之外\n\n18\n00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:50,780\n謝謝部長。\n\n19\n00:07:10,216 --> 00:07:37,377\n好那下一個部分我想要談關於閱讀作為一種方法的可能我們可以看一下這張投影片在告訴我們有文化資本跟兒童智慧量的研究也就是說到了3這相關的數字是家裡的文化資本越高的小孩相關的智慧量在3歲以前的累積相關的差距不會太大可是年紀越大或者是跟著孩子走進學校之後相關的學術科目的學習成績會落差越來越大\n\n20\n00:07:37,717 --> 00:07:58,903\n我相信部長您來自第一線教育現場你一定知道這個狀況所以我非常感謝教育部過往推出的所謂閱推計畫還有明日閱讀這是教育部裡面唯二兩個特殊的專案關於閱讀可是過往我自己要說很多對於閱讀的想像都認為它只是學術科目以外的外加但是部長我要告訴你根據108課綱底下素養的出題方法長的題目長的題幹\n\n21\n00:08:03,544 --> 00:08:04,205\n我們辦公室在去年辦了非常多跟樂推老師的座談\n\n22\n00:08:19,199 --> 00:08:33,504\n很多樂推老師他們在現場遇到的困境我們已經跟國教署反映也感謝國教署做一些調整可是我要這邊再次拜託部長有沒有可能去發起一個討論或者是正式的研究報告把閱讀作為一種學習方法納入新課綱裡頭或者是納入試辦計畫裡頭讓更多的孩子是帶著方法\n\n23\n00:08:40,226 --> 00:09:03,166\n去學習這些學習科目而不是回到我們以前小時候不會就一直練不會就一直寫不會就一直讀其實是沒有用的甚至要透過AI家教我也都沒有意見可是我要問的是從來沒有人好好教這些小孩所謂學習方法這件事情真的只會讓文化資源的落差表現在學術科目學習上是越差越大\n\n24\n00:09:03,726 --> 00:09:08,511\n我相信部長你一定深有同感那我也想要在這邊拜託部長那我就不再談這麼多閱讀老師的困境可是我們確實感謝教育部從去年修的國教法有相關的預算每年可以有買書相關的調整可是我要說更多還有在閱讀教育現場這件事情\n\n25\n00:09:20,823 --> 00:09:47,809\n還有很多沒有做到的但我時間有限我們之後會再跟國教署討論但是我要再次強調閱讀作為一種學習方法它真的已經是這個世代的小孩必然需要的工具它不能再只是把它認為是一種主要學習科目以外的風華學院我要再次強調這件事情也已經很多學者專家告訴我們這件事情我相信國教院一定有相關的研究也請部長積極跟國教院保持討論好嗎\n\n26\n00:09:49,472 --> 00:09:55,135\n關於特教的部分也是很多委員一直關心那我辦公室呢過去一整年跟很多特教老師特教現場的家長還有學生我想要先談分散式資源班教學的困境因為時間有限\n\n27\n00:10:12,345 --> 00:10:12,605\n教育部\n\n28\n00:11:00,683 --> 00:11:16,037\n所以空間的不足人力的不足經費的不足造成普特融合現場的困境越來越多我我絕對要說我絕對贊成普特融合可是在普特融合大理念之下現場老師的困境必須要被教育部看見必須要被國教署聽見\n\n29\n00:11:17,058 --> 00:11:42,748\n這個部分我覺得還有很多可以討論的部分也想要拜託部長後續持續在特教的議題上非常多千頭萬緒請拜託一起關心所以我們關於這個分散式資源班我們現在這邊提出有沒有可能朝一班一師一教室甚至充實相關教育經費還有五年內朝向當時修法最後說一比八邁進我覺得這是一個困難的事情但是我們必須要積極放在心上這可不可以請部長快速回應一下\n\n30\n00:11:43,846 --> 00:11:57,985\n我想這一個部分普特的融合這是我們希望這個也是有價值的必然要走的那怎麼樣讓老師在同一個空間裡邊透過這個分組的教學能不會\n\n31\n00:11:59,506 --> 00:12:19,774\n部長可是就在同一個空間有困難啦部長你自己在現場教過如果我今天教國文然後這個小孩過動戰我教他國文可是隔壁同一個空間裡面而且學校教室就這麼小不像我們這邊這麼大欸我覺得關於空間這件事情其實少子化除了很多明星學校之外很擠的學校之外其實很多學校都開始有相關空間釋出了\n\n32\n00:12:21,135 --> 00:12:31,625\n但是可能在學校的行政端他們沒有意識到這些特教老師在現場教學的困難所以我想部長我們絕對不要說我們認同同一個空間我覺得這個有很大的教學上的問題\n\n33\n00:12:32,691 --> 00:12:35,652\n我們來進一步來瞭解看怎麼樣來做一些調整。\n\n34\n00:12:52,798 --> 00:13:13,875\n市長您過去在擔任立委的時候您非常關心相關臺中的教育發展文化體育發展非常謝謝市長我想要先談一下關於臺中中心堂的部分那一直到最近我們聽到有可能有一些調整跟改變可是困境是其實臺體大接手之後關閉中心堂限制到目前為止其實很多地方人士我相信還有黃國書委員也都做過勘查\n\n35\n00:13:15,917 --> 00:13:40,380\n現在目前為止你覺得在這個題目上有沒有什麼可能性因為我自己觀察有台中歌劇院之後其實新的場地排擠了舊的場地或者是很多小型的民間表演藝術團體他們認為他們可以申請像這樣小型的場地像是大家一直想要學的韓國韓國確實有很多中小型的場地被活絡使用大家不用都去舉歌劇院所以我也想要問一下次長您身為台中出生的立委\n\n36\n00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:52,687\n你對於這一題目前你們有沒有什麼規劃有沒有機會邀請跨部會做一些討論跟協調對謝謝委員的關心我想有關中興堂因為他在他的這個土地所有權他是市政府那後來輾轉的這個使用\n\n37\n00:13:56,269 --> 00:14:16,342\n其實很多單位都使用過我想委員很了解包括我們國台教也用過那2012年之後呢又回歸給這個台體大那台體大畢竟是一個學校他對這個文化場館的運用事實上也沒有多餘的經費跟人力跟人才所以後來呢在初屆的過程裡面發生了一些狀況\n\n38\n00:14:17,463 --> 00:14:38,511\n那也因為安全的因素所以後來呢他就是換會那當然在地方的民意代表跟市政府的關心下那目前也在做一些這個研究那初步當然也有委員說可以來做電競使用不過我想他中心堂要怎麼使用我想我們還是尊重地方的市政府的所有權\n\n39\n00:14:39,011 --> 00:14:39,131\n謝謝市長謝謝主席謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n49\t2131\t發言第二位的陳培瑜委員好謝謝主席我們一定會準時好那有請部長還有張亮次長還有葉次長謝謝好我們請鄭部長還有兩位次長謝謝\n25532\t39717\t部長,兩位次長,早安。我想就一分鐘的時間可不可以請部長跟兩位次長分享一下在新上任最積極想要推動的或者是最希望讓人民看到的工作上的亮點會是什麼?可不可以就一分鐘,一人三十秒,謝謝。\n43823\t63533\t謝謝委員 事實上我上來 我想我本身學教育 我一直看到了我們事實上大家共同在努力為台灣培養人才 有一個更具有競爭力的一個人才 不管是產業或者他生涯的發展能夠在國際上能夠發光發射 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謝謝張亮次長你剛剛講到說你希望聽到更多的聲音我相信這也是所有人對您的期待還有你剛剛講到體育署要升級這件事情這個部分我覺得大家更期待也許是您有機會直接擔任部長我覺得是更多人的想望接下來歡迎麻煩次長謝謝葉次長\n165122\t186312\t謝謝委員,我想就是說在這個少子化的臺灣我們覺得現在的臺灣其實我們特別在產業的發展上面其實是蠻欠缺人才的那怎樣在少子化的臺灣可以讓臺灣有更多的人才這是我覺得是我這一次會想要加入教育部的一個大原因特別是過去因為我自己在大學然後自己又出來創業我發現就是說因為有這兩邊的\n188693\t208040\t我發現在大學裡面對產業真的瞭解的這個學校的老師或是學生這方面其實並不是很多所以我未來我希望說我們能夠怎麼樣來做好這個橋接大學跟企業解決學用落差這件事情讓少子化台灣未來的發展不會欠缺人才我想這是我未來會很努力的目標\n209280\t233209\t謝謝葉副部長我剛剛聽到您說的重點就產業跟學界之間的合作這件事情我想大家都非常期待好那有先先請兩位次長請回謝謝也謝謝你們的回覆我相信大家都非常期待兩位次長還有新部長那第一個想跟部長您談一下關於行政減量這件事情其實我們教育部已經喊了很多年那可是現場的困境是這樣的跟著跟部長您分享這個是新北市的某一所國小\n233609\t252892\t議員會議員會\n252952\t277321\t拜課還有跟家長之間的互動甚至還要處理班級經營或者是學生的很多日常的突發狀況只光是國小的部分就這樣我們來看一下國中更慘43個為什麼我說更慘呢因為很多國中生的教學還有跟家長的互動其實那個日常的負荷量是非常非常大的那光是把委員會列出來就這麼多而且這個是學校老師整理給我們作為參考我想要問部長\n279582\t289121\t我們到底該怎麼做到行政減量這件事情甚至到最近都還有投書現場老師對於行政減量是非常非常非常無感的到底我們可以怎麼做這件事情\n291385\t311815\t謝謝委員的關心,確實我在上個禮拜在聽各部會的各司處的一些工作報告我也非常理解來自於基層第一線上國中小老師跟甚至行政這些主任校長他們也深感到這一個行政\n312435\t312455\t委員會議\n327449\t327529\t主席\n352432\t371550\t教學的一個專業裡邊盡量能夠從專業的一個教學去協助我們這個新世代這個不管小學生或者年輕人的一些學習回到一個教育的一個更好的一個教學的一個品質\n372170\t389929\t好,因為我時間有限但是我已經聽到部長您是第一時間就有關心這件事情而且您也做了相關的指示那我們非常期待後續的調整我們辦公室也會持續追蹤可是我就快速再跟部長分享另外一個狀況除了教育部可以有非常多的公文跟非常多的行政指導給學校之外\n390009\t410640\t﹏﹏\n410760\t410780\t謝謝部長。\n430216\t457377\t好 那下一個部分我想要談關於閱讀作為一種方法的可能我們可以看一下這張投影片在告訴我們有文化資本跟兒童智慧量的研究也就是說到了3這相關的數字是家裡的文化資本越高的小孩相關的智慧量在3歲以前的累積相關的差距不會太大可是年紀越大或者是跟著孩子走進學校之後相關的學術科目的學習成績會落差越來越大\n457717\t478903\t我相信部長您來自第一線教育現場你一定知道這個狀況所以我非常感謝教育部過往推出的所謂閱推計畫還有明日閱讀這是教育部裡面唯二兩個特殊的專案關於閱讀可是過往我自己要說很多對於閱讀的想像都認為它只是學術科目以外的外加但是部長我要告訴你根據108課綱底下素養的出題方法長的題目長的題幹\n483544\t484205\t我們辦公室在去年辦了非常多跟樂推老師的座談\n499199\t513504\t很多樂推老師他們在現場遇到的困境我們已經跟國教署反映也感謝國教署做一些調整可是我要這邊再次拜託部長有沒有可能去發起一個討論或者是正式的研究報告把閱讀作為一種學習方法納入新課綱裡頭或者是納入試辦計畫裡頭讓更多的孩子是帶著方法\n520226\t543166\t去學習這些學習科目而不是回到我們以前小時候不會就一直練不會就一直寫不會就一直讀其實是沒有用的甚至要透過AI家教我也都沒有意見可是我要問的是從來沒有人好好教這些小孩所謂學習方法這件事情真的只會讓文化資源的落差表現在學術科目學習上是越差越大\n543726\t548511\t我相信部長你一定深有同感那我也想要在這邊拜託部長那我就不再談這麼多閱讀老師的困境可是我們確實感謝教育部從去年修的國教法有相關的預算每年可以有買書相關的調整可是我要說更多還有在閱讀教育現場這件事情\n560823\t587809\t還有很多沒有做到的但我時間有限我們之後會再跟國教署討論但是我要再次強調閱讀作為一種學習方法它真的已經是這個世代的小孩必然需要的工具它不能再只是把它認為是一種主要學習科目以外的風華學院我要再次強調這件事情也已經很多學者專家告訴我們這件事情我相信國教院一定有相關的研究也請部長積極跟國教院保持討論好嗎\n589472\t595135\t關於特教的部分也是很多委員一直關心那我辦公室呢過去一整年跟很多特教老師特教現場的家長還有學生我想要先談分散式資源班教學的困境因為時間有限\n612345\t612605\t教育部\n642005\t660503\t﹏﹏\n660683\t676037\t所以空間的不足人力的不足經費的不足造成普特融合現場的困境越來越多我我絕對要說我絕對贊成普特融合可是在普特融合大理念之下現場老師的困境必須要被教育部看見必須要被國教署聽見\n677058\t702748\t這個部分我覺得還有很多可以討論的部分也想要拜託部長後續持續在特教的議題上非常多千頭萬緒請拜託一起關心所以我們關於這個分散式資源班我們現在這邊提出有沒有可能朝一班一師一教室甚至充實相關教育經費還有五年內朝向當時修法最後說一比八邁進我覺得這是一個困難的事情但是我們必須要積極放在心上這可不可以請部長快速回應一下\n703846\t717985\t我想這一個部分普特的融合這是我們希望這個也是有價值的必然要走的那怎麼樣讓老師在同一個空間裡邊透過這個分組的教學能不會\n719506\t739774\t部長可是就在同一個空間有困難啦部長你自己在現場教過如果我今天教國文然後這個小孩過動戰我教他國文可是隔壁同一個空間裡面而且學校教室就這麼小不像我們這邊這麼大欸我覺得關於空間這件事情其實少子化除了很多明星學校之外很擠的學校之外其實很多學校都開始有相關空間釋出了\n741135\t751625\t但是可能在學校的行政端他們沒有意識到這些特教老師在現場教學的困難所以我想部長我們絕對不要說我們認同同一個空間我覺得這個有很大的教學上的問題\n752691\t755652\t我們來進一步來瞭解看怎麼樣來做一些調整。\n772798\t793875\t市長您過去在擔任立委的時候您非常關心相關臺中的教育發展文化體育發展非常謝謝市長我想要先談一下關於臺中中心堂的部分那一直到最近我們聽到有可能有一些調整跟改變可是困境是其實臺體大接手之後關閉中心堂限制到目前為止其實很多地方人士我相信還有黃國書委員也都做過勘查\n795917\t820380\t現在目前為止你覺得在這個題目上有沒有什麼可能性因為我自己觀察有台中歌劇院之後其實新的場地排擠了舊的場地或者是很多小型的民間表演藝術團體他們認為他們可以申請像這樣小型的場地像是大家一直想要學的韓國韓國確實有很多中小型的場地被活絡使用大家不用都去舉歌劇院所以我也想要問一下次長您身為台中出生的立委\n820680\t832687\t你對於這一題目前你們有沒有什麼規劃有沒有機會邀請跨部會做一些討論跟協調對謝謝委員的關心我想有關中興堂因為他在他的這個土地所有權他是市政府那後來輾轉的這個使用\n836269\t856342\t其實很多單位都使用過我想委員很了解包括我們國台教也用過那2012年之後呢又回歸給這個台體大那台體大畢竟是一個學校他對這個文化場館的運用事實上也沒有多餘的經費跟人力跟人才所以後來呢在初屆的過程裡面發生了一些狀況\n857463\t878511\t那也因為安全的因素所以後來呢他就是換會那當然在地方的民意代表跟市政府的關心下那目前也在做一些這個研究那初步當然也有委員說可以來做電競使用不過我想他中心堂要怎麼使用我想我們還是尊重地方的市政府的所有權\n879011\t879131\t謝謝市長謝謝主席謝謝\n","txt":"發言第二位的陳培瑜委員好謝謝主席我們一定會準時好那有請部長還有張亮次長還有葉次長謝謝好我們請鄭部長還有兩位次長謝謝\n部長,兩位次長,早安。我想就一分鐘的時間可不可以請部長跟兩位次長分享一下在新上任最積極想要推動的或者是最希望讓人民看到的工作上的亮點會是什麼?可不可以就一分鐘,一人三十秒,謝謝。\n謝謝委員 事實上我上來 我想我本身學教育 我一直看到了我們事實上大家共同在努力為台灣培養人才 有一個更具有競爭力的一個人才 不管是產業或者他生涯的發展能夠在國際上能夠發光發射 但是我\n﹗\n謝謝部長那可不可以先把時間給兩位次長謝謝各30秒謝謝\n好謝謝委員我想我來到這邊我過去大家都知道我在教育文化委員會那我負責督導國教跟體育的方面那四肢培育也是那我希望將來有機會進入到教育部之後把過去我所了解的理念能夠逐步的落實配合教育部的政策剛才部長講了非常多那委員也有很多指教那我也希望教育部能夠我能夠\n聽到更多的反應然後來協助部長來推動整個這個包括國教方面我們講到108課綱的落實素養教育等等然後體育屬這個升格為體育部的事情我也會特別特別的來加速協調跟推動謝謝\n好 謝謝張亮次長你剛剛講到說你希望聽到更多的聲音我相信這也是所有人對您的期待還有你剛剛講到體育署要升級這件事情這個部分我覺得大家更期待也許是您有機會直接擔任部長我覺得是更多人的想望接下來歡迎麻煩次長謝謝葉次長\n謝謝委員,我想就是說在這個少子化的臺灣我們覺得現在的臺灣其實我們特別在產業的發展上面其實是蠻欠缺人才的那怎樣在少子化的臺灣可以讓臺灣有更多的人才這是我覺得是我這一次會想要加入教育部的一個大原因特別是過去因為我自己在大學然後自己又出來創業我發現就是說因為有這兩邊的\n我發現在大學裡面對產業真的瞭解的這個學校的老師或是學生這方面其實並不是很多所以我未來我希望說我們能夠怎麼樣來做好這個橋接大學跟企業解決學用落差這件事情讓少子化台灣未來的發展不會欠缺人才我想這是我未來會很努力的目標\n謝謝葉副部長我剛剛聽到您說的重點就產業跟學界之間的合作這件事情我想大家都非常期待好那有先先請兩位次長請回謝謝也謝謝你們的回覆我相信大家都非常期待兩位次長還有新部長那第一個想跟部長您談一下關於行政減量這件事情其實我們教育部已經喊了很多年那可是現場的困境是這樣的跟著跟部長您分享這個是新北市的某一所國小\n議員會議員會\n拜課還有跟家長之間的互動甚至還要處理班級經營或者是學生的很多日常的突發狀況只光是國小的部分就這樣我們來看一下國中更慘43個為什麼我說更慘呢因為很多國中生的教學還有跟家長的互動其實那個日常的負荷量是非常非常大的那光是把委員會列出來就這麼多而且這個是學校老師整理給我們作為參考我想要問部長\n我們到底該怎麼做到行政減量這件事情甚至到最近都還有投書現場老師對於行政減量是非常非常非常無感的到底我們可以怎麼做這件事情\n謝謝委員的關心,確實我在上個禮拜在聽各部會的各司處的一些工作報告我也非常理解來自於基層第一線上國中小老師跟甚至行政這些主任校長他們也深感到這一個行政\n委員會議\n主席\n教學的一個專業裡邊盡量能夠從專業的一個教學去協助我們這個新世代這個不管小學生或者年輕人的一些學習回到一個教育的一個更好的一個教學的一個品質\n好,因為我時間有限但是我已經聽到部長您是第一時間就有關心這件事情而且您也做了相關的指示那我們非常期待後續的調整我們辦公室也會持續追蹤可是我就快速再跟部長分享另外一個狀況除了教育部可以有非常多的公文跟非常多的行政指導給學校之外\n﹏﹏\n謝謝部長。\n好 那下一個部分我想要談關於閱讀作為一種方法的可能我們可以看一下這張投影片在告訴我們有文化資本跟兒童智慧量的研究也就是說到了3這相關的數字是家裡的文化資本越高的小孩相關的智慧量在3歲以前的累積相關的差距不會太大可是年紀越大或者是跟著孩子走進學校之後相關的學術科目的學習成績會落差越來越大\n我相信部長您來自第一線教育現場你一定知道這個狀況所以我非常感謝教育部過往推出的所謂閱推計畫還有明日閱讀這是教育部裡面唯二兩個特殊的專案關於閱讀可是過往我自己要說很多對於閱讀的想像都認為它只是學術科目以外的外加但是部長我要告訴你根據108課綱底下素養的出題方法長的題目長的題幹\n我們辦公室在去年辦了非常多跟樂推老師的座談\n很多樂推老師他們在現場遇到的困境我們已經跟國教署反映也感謝國教署做一些調整可是我要這邊再次拜託部長有沒有可能去發起一個討論或者是正式的研究報告把閱讀作為一種學習方法納入新課綱裡頭或者是納入試辦計畫裡頭讓更多的孩子是帶著方法\n去學習這些學習科目而不是回到我們以前小時候不會就一直練不會就一直寫不會就一直讀其實是沒有用的甚至要透過AI家教我也都沒有意見可是我要問的是從來沒有人好好教這些小孩所謂學習方法這件事情真的只會讓文化資源的落差表現在學術科目學習上是越差越大\n我相信部長你一定深有同感那我也想要在這邊拜託部長那我就不再談這麼多閱讀老師的困境可是我們確實感謝教育部從去年修的國教法有相關的預算每年可以有買書相關的調整可是我要說更多還有在閱讀教育現場這件事情\n還有很多沒有做到的但我時間有限我們之後會再跟國教署討論但是我要再次強調閱讀作為一種學習方法它真的已經是這個世代的小孩必然需要的工具它不能再只是把它認為是一種主要學習科目以外的風華學院我要再次強調這件事情也已經很多學者專家告訴我們這件事情我相信國教院一定有相關的研究也請部長積極跟國教院保持討論好嗎\n關於特教的部分也是很多委員一直關心那我辦公室呢過去一整年跟很多特教老師特教現場的家長還有學生我想要先談分散式資源班教學的困境因為時間有限\n教育部\n﹏﹏\n所以空間的不足人力的不足經費的不足造成普特融合現場的困境越來越多我我絕對要說我絕對贊成普特融合可是在普特融合大理念之下現場老師的困境必須要被教育部看見必須要被國教署聽見\n這個部分我覺得還有很多可以討論的部分也想要拜託部長後續持續在特教的議題上非常多千頭萬緒請拜託一起關心所以我們關於這個分散式資源班我們現在這邊提出有沒有可能朝一班一師一教室甚至充實相關教育經費還有五年內朝向當時修法最後說一比八邁進我覺得這是一個困難的事情但是我們必須要積極放在心上這可不可以請部長快速回應一下\n我想這一個部分普特的融合這是我們希望這個也是有價值的必然要走的那怎麼樣讓老師在同一個空間裡邊透過這個分組的教學能不會\n部長可是就在同一個空間有困難啦部長你自己在現場教過如果我今天教國文然後這個小孩過動戰我教他國文可是隔壁同一個空間裡面而且學校教室就這麼小不像我們這邊這麼大欸我覺得關於空間這件事情其實少子化除了很多明星學校之外很擠的學校之外其實很多學校都開始有相關空間釋出了\n但是可能在學校的行政端他們沒有意識到這些特教老師在現場教學的困難所以我想部長我們絕對不要說我們認同同一個空間我覺得這個有很大的教學上的問題\n我們來進一步來瞭解看怎麼樣來做一些調整。\n市長您過去在擔任立委的時候您非常關心相關臺中的教育發展文化體育發展非常謝謝市長我想要先談一下關於臺中中心堂的部分那一直到最近我們聽到有可能有一些調整跟改變可是困境是其實臺體大接手之後關閉中心堂限制到目前為止其實很多地方人士我相信還有黃國書委員也都做過勘查\n現在目前為止你覺得在這個題目上有沒有什麼可能性因為我自己觀察有台中歌劇院之後其實新的場地排擠了舊的場地或者是很多小型的民間表演藝術團體他們認為他們可以申請像這樣小型的場地像是大家一直想要學的韓國韓國確實有很多中小型的場地被活絡使用大家不用都去舉歌劇院所以我也想要問一下次長您身為台中出生的立委\n你對於這一題目前你們有沒有什麼規劃有沒有機會邀請跨部會做一些討論跟協調對謝謝委員的關心我想有關中興堂因為他在他的這個土地所有權他是市政府那後來輾轉的這個使用\n其實很多單位都使用過我想委員很了解包括我們國台教也用過那2012年之後呢又回歸給這個台體大那台體大畢竟是一個學校他對這個文化場館的運用事實上也沒有多餘的經費跟人力跟人才所以後來呢在初屆的過程裡面發生了一些狀況\n那也因為安全的因素所以後來呢他就是換會那當然在地方的民意代表跟市政府的關心下那目前也在做一些這個研究那初步當然也有委員說可以來做電競使用不過我想他中心堂要怎麼使用我想我們還是尊重地方的市政府的所有權\n謝謝市長謝謝主席謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.049 --> 00:02.131\n發言第二位的陳培瑜委員好謝謝主席我們一定會準時好那有請部長還有張亮次長還有葉次長謝謝好我們請鄭部長還有兩位次長謝謝\n\n00:25.532 --> 00:39.717\n部長,兩位次長,早安。我想就一分鐘的時間可不可以請部長跟兩位次長分享一下在新上任最積極想要推動的或者是最希望讓人民看到的工作上的亮點會是什麼?可不可以就一分鐘,一人三十秒,謝謝。\n\n00:43.823 --> 01:03.533\n謝謝委員事實上我上來我想我本身學教育我一直看到了我們事實上大家共同在努力為台灣培養人才有一個更具有競爭力的一個人才不管是產業或者他生涯的發展能夠在國際上能夠發光發射但是我\n\n01:25.523 --> 01:26.244\n謝謝部長那可不可以先把時間給兩位次長謝謝各30秒謝謝\n\n01:40.213 --> 02:06.341\n好謝謝委員我想我來到這邊我過去大家都知道我在教育文化委員會那我負責督導國教跟體育的方面那四肢培育也是那我希望將來有機會進入到教育部之後把過去我所了解的理念能夠逐步的落實配合教育部的政策剛才部長講了非常多那委員也有很多指教那我也希望教育部能夠我能夠\n\n02:08.762 --> 02:24.499\n聽到更多的反應然後來協助部長來推動整個這個包括國教方面我們講到108課綱的落實素養教育等等然後體育屬這個升格為體育部的事情我也會特別特別的來加速協調跟推動謝謝\n\n02:26.061 --> 02:41.499\n好謝謝張亮次長你剛剛講到說你希望聽到更多的聲音我相信這也是所有人對您的期待還有你剛剛講到體育署要升級這件事情這個部分我覺得大家更期待也許是您有機會直接擔任部長我覺得是更多人的想望接下來歡迎麻煩次長謝謝葉次長\n\n02:45.122 --> 03:06.312\n謝謝委員,我想就是說在這個少子化的臺灣我們覺得現在的臺灣其實我們特別在產業的發展上面其實是蠻欠缺人才的那怎樣在少子化的臺灣可以讓臺灣有更多的人才這是我覺得是我這一次會想要加入教育部的一個大原因特別是過去因為我自己在大學然後自己又出來創業我發現就是說因為有這兩邊的\n\n03:08.693 --> 03:28.040\n我發現在大學裡面對產業真的瞭解的這個學校的老師或是學生這方面其實並不是很多所以我未來我希望說我們能夠怎麼樣來做好這個橋接大學跟企業解決學用落差這件事情讓少子化台灣未來的發展不會欠缺人才我想這是我未來會很努力的目標\n\n03:29.280 --> 03:53.209\n謝謝葉副部長我剛剛聽到您說的重點就產業跟學界之間的合作這件事情我想大家都非常期待好那有先先請兩位次長請回謝謝也謝謝你們的回覆我相信大家都非常期待兩位次長還有新部長那第一個想跟部長您談一下關於行政減量這件事情其實我們教育部已經喊了很多年那可是現場的困境是這樣的跟著跟部長您分享這個是新北市的某一所國小\n\n04:12.952 --> 04:37.321\n拜課還有跟家長之間的互動甚至還要處理班級經營或者是學生的很多日常的突發狀況只光是國小的部分就這樣我們來看一下國中更慘43個為什麼我說更慘呢因為很多國中生的教學還有跟家長的互動其實那個日常的負荷量是非常非常大的那光是把委員會列出來就這麼多而且這個是學校老師整理給我們作為參考我想要問部長\n\n04:39.582 --> 04:49.121\n我們到底該怎麼做到行政減量這件事情甚至到最近都還有投書現場老師對於行政減量是非常非常非常無感的到底我們可以怎麼做這件事情\n\n04:51.385 --> 05:11.815\n謝謝委員的關心,確實我在上個禮拜在聽各部會的各司處的一些工作報告我也非常理解來自於基層第一線上國中小老師跟甚至行政這些主任校長他們也深感到這一個行政\n\n05:12.435 --> 05:12.455\n委員會議\n\n05:27.449 --> 05:27.529\n主席\n\n05:52.432 --> 06:11.550\n教學的一個專業裡邊盡量能夠從專業的一個教學去協助我們這個新世代這個不管小學生或者年輕人的一些學習回到一個教育的一個更好的一個教學的一個品質\n\n06:12.170 --> 06:29.929\n好,因為我時間有限但是我已經聽到部長您是第一時間就有關心這件事情而且您也做了相關的指示那我們非常期待後續的調整我們辦公室也會持續追蹤可是我就快速再跟部長分享另外一個狀況除了教育部可以有非常多的公文跟非常多的行政指導給學校之外\n\n06:50.760 --> 06:50.780\n謝謝部長。\n\n07:10.216 --> 07:37.377\n好那下一個部分我想要談關於閱讀作為一種方法的可能我們可以看一下這張投影片在告訴我們有文化資本跟兒童智慧量的研究也就是說到了3這相關的數字是家裡的文化資本越高的小孩相關的智慧量在3歲以前的累積相關的差距不會太大可是年紀越大或者是跟著孩子走進學校之後相關的學術科目的學習成績會落差越來越大\n\n07:37.717 --> 07:58.903\n我相信部長您來自第一線教育現場你一定知道這個狀況所以我非常感謝教育部過往推出的所謂閱推計畫還有明日閱讀這是教育部裡面唯二兩個特殊的專案關於閱讀可是過往我自己要說很多對於閱讀的想像都認為它只是學術科目以外的外加但是部長我要告訴你根據108課綱底下素養的出題方法長的題目長的題幹\n\n08:03.544 --> 08:04.205\n我們辦公室在去年辦了非常多跟樂推老師的座談\n\n08:19.199 --> 08:33.504\n很多樂推老師他們在現場遇到的困境我們已經跟國教署反映也感謝國教署做一些調整可是我要這邊再次拜託部長有沒有可能去發起一個討論或者是正式的研究報告把閱讀作為一種學習方法納入新課綱裡頭或者是納入試辦計畫裡頭讓更多的孩子是帶著方法\n\n08:40.226 --> 09:03.166\n去學習這些學習科目而不是回到我們以前小時候不會就一直練不會就一直寫不會就一直讀其實是沒有用的甚至要透過AI家教我也都沒有意見可是我要問的是從來沒有人好好教這些小孩所謂學習方法這件事情真的只會讓文化資源的落差表現在學術科目學習上是越差越大\n\n09:03.726 --> 09:08.511\n我相信部長你一定深有同感那我也想要在這邊拜託部長那我就不再談這麼多閱讀老師的困境可是我們確實感謝教育部從去年修的國教法有相關的預算每年可以有買書相關的調整可是我要說更多還有在閱讀教育現場這件事情\n\n09:20.823 --> 09:47.809\n還有很多沒有做到的但我時間有限我們之後會再跟國教署討論但是我要再次強調閱讀作為一種學習方法它真的已經是這個世代的小孩必然需要的工具它不能再只是把它認為是一種主要學習科目以外的風華學院我要再次強調這件事情也已經很多學者專家告訴我們這件事情我相信國教院一定有相關的研究也請部長積極跟國教院保持討論好嗎\n\n09:49.472 --> 09:55.135\n關於特教的部分也是很多委員一直關心那我辦公室呢過去一整年跟很多特教老師特教現場的家長還有學生我想要先談分散式資源班教學的困境因為時間有限\n\n10:12.345 --> 10:12.605\n教育部\n\n11:00.683 --> 11:16.037\n所以空間的不足人力的不足經費的不足造成普特融合現場的困境越來越多我我絕對要說我絕對贊成普特融合可是在普特融合大理念之下現場老師的困境必須要被教育部看見必須要被國教署聽見\n\n11:17.058 --> 11:42.748\n這個部分我覺得還有很多可以討論的部分也想要拜託部長後續持續在特教的議題上非常多千頭萬緒請拜託一起關心所以我們關於這個分散式資源班我們現在這邊提出有沒有可能朝一班一師一教室甚至充實相關教育經費還有五年內朝向當時修法最後說一比八邁進我覺得這是一個困難的事情但是我們必須要積極放在心上這可不可以請部長快速回應一下\n\n11:43.846 --> 11:57.985\n我想這一個部分普特的融合這是我們希望這個也是有價值的必然要走的那怎麼樣讓老師在同一個空間裡邊透過這個分組的教學能不會\n\n11:59.506 --> 12:19.774\n部長可是就在同一個空間有困難啦部長你自己在現場教過如果我今天教國文然後這個小孩過動戰我教他國文可是隔壁同一個空間裡面而且學校教室就這麼小不像我們這邊這麼大欸我覺得關於空間這件事情其實少子化除了很多明星學校之外很擠的學校之外其實很多學校都開始有相關空間釋出了\n\n12:21.135 --> 12:31.625\n但是可能在學校的行政端他們沒有意識到這些特教老師在現場教學的困難所以我想部長我們絕對不要說我們認同同一個空間我覺得這個有很大的教學上的問題\n\n12:32.691 --> 12:35.652\n我們來進一步來瞭解看怎麼樣來做一些調整。\n\n12:52.798 --> 13:13.875\n市長您過去在擔任立委的時候您非常關心相關臺中的教育發展文化體育發展非常謝謝市長我想要先談一下關於臺中中心堂的部分那一直到最近我們聽到有可能有一些調整跟改變可是困境是其實臺體大接手之後關閉中心堂限制到目前為止其實很多地方人士我相信還有黃國書委員也都做過勘查\n\n13:15.917 --> 13:40.380\n現在目前為止你覺得在這個題目上有沒有什麼可能性因為我自己觀察有台中歌劇院之後其實新的場地排擠了舊的場地或者是很多小型的民間表演藝術團體他們認為他們可以申請像這樣小型的場地像是大家一直想要學的韓國韓國確實有很多中小型的場地被活絡使用大家不用都去舉歌劇院所以我也想要問一下次長您身為台中出生的立委\n\n13:40.680 --> 13:52.687\n你對於這一題目前你們有沒有什麼規劃有沒有機會邀請跨部會做一些討論跟協調對謝謝委員的關心我想有關中興堂因為他在他的這個土地所有權他是市政府那後來輾轉的這個使用\n\n13:56.269 --> 14:16.342\n其實很多單位都使用過我想委員很了解包括我們國台教也用過那2012年之後呢又回歸給這個台體大那台體大畢竟是一個學校他對這個文化場館的運用事實上也沒有多餘的經費跟人力跟人才所以後來呢在初屆的過程裡面發生了一些狀況\n\n14:17.463 --> 14:38.511\n那也因為安全的因素所以後來呢他就是換會那當然在地方的民意代表跟市政府的關心下那目前也在做一些這個研究那初步當然也有委員說可以來做電競使用不過我想他中心堂要怎麼使用我想我們還是尊重地方的市政府的所有權\n\n14:39.011 --> 14:39.131\n謝謝市長謝謝主席謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.049,"end":2.131,"text":"發言第二位的陳培瑜委員好謝謝主席我們一定會準時好那有請部長還有張亮次長還有葉次長謝謝好我們請鄭部長還有兩位次長謝謝"},{"start":25.532,"end":39.717,"text":"部長,兩位次長,早安。我想就一分鐘的時間可不可以請部長跟兩位次長分享一下在新上任最積極想要推動的或者是最希望讓人民看到的工作上的亮點會是什麼?可不可以就一分鐘,一人三十秒,謝謝。"},{"start":43.823,"end":63.533,"text":"謝謝委員 事實上我上來 我想我本身學教育 我一直看到了我們事實上大家共同在努力為台灣培養人才 有一個更具有競爭力的一個人才 不管是產業或者他生涯的發展能夠在國際上能夠發光發射 但是我"},{"start":65.196,"end":84.309,"text":"﹗"},{"start":85.523,"end":86.244,"text":"謝謝部長那可不可以先把時間給兩位次長謝謝各30秒謝謝"},{"start":100.213,"end":126.341,"text":"好謝謝委員我想我來到這邊我過去大家都知道我在教育文化委員會那我負責督導國教跟體育的方面那四肢培育也是那我希望將來有機會進入到教育部之後把過去我所了解的理念能夠逐步的落實配合教育部的政策剛才部長講了非常多那委員也有很多指教那我也希望教育部能夠我能夠"},{"start":128.762,"end":144.499,"text":"聽到更多的反應然後來協助部長來推動整個這個包括國教方面我們講到108課綱的落實素養教育等等然後體育屬這個升格為體育部的事情我也會特別特別的來加速協調跟推動謝謝"},{"start":146.061,"end":161.499,"text":"好 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