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00:03:08,336\n那麼你們的專案報告裡面基本上大概都不太支持立法委員所提的提案雖然說寫得很保守可是呢這個仔細看起來你們的結論就是不支持但是你們不支持的理由是什麼那為什麼其他國家可以做可是我們國家不能做我覺得你們還要更努力一些把這個你們認為不適當的地方還有其他國家為什麼可做我們不可以做要把這個相關的報告都要\n\n9\n00:03:13,195 --> 00:03:34,914\n在報告裡面都要講清楚才可以讓我們更清楚的了解到底在司法實務界你們的看法是什麼以這一次談的有關於這個我們幾位委員們他們所提出來的兒少性侵就是對於未成年的這性侵犯罪要排除追溯時效的這個議題來說其實\n\n10\n00:03:39,442 --> 00:03:56,510\n這個排除追溯時效其實有一個很重要的目的其實我覺得也是要保障人民的訴訟權利是不是?包括委員是因為憲法第16條裡面就講得很清楚人民有請願訴願及訴訟的權利在我們憲法其實是並沒有這個\n\n11\n00:04:03,183 --> 00:04:03,263\n﹚翁曉玲\n\n12\n00:04:11,988 --> 00:04:12,348\n則不予審查．則不予審查．\n\n13\n00:04:40,339 --> 00:04:42,282\n此事發生的那等到他長大了有能力或他的心智足夠成熟的時候他再來提起相關的這個這個訴訟這不可能至於說這個證據上面是不是可以保存的完整完完良好\n\n14\n00:04:57,642 --> 00:04:59,003\n則不予審查．則不予審查．\n\n15\n00:05:45,523 --> 00:06:00,172\n可以提供這相關的其他國家的做法嗎至少韓國他們現在已經已經修法了排除了我們可以提供立法例但是數據的話我們可能沒有辦法一時之間可能沒有辦法拿到\n\n16\n00:06:00,779 --> 00:06:04,522\n拜託提供相關的立法律、立法理由而且如果說能夠在其他國家的網站上面或是相信應該有很多的法學者對這方面有研究就一併要把相關的資料、數據都提供這個可以作為我們之後在研商相關法案的時候一個非常重要的參考那麼簡單來說我\n\n17\n00:06:24,659 --> 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00:02.409\n有請次長請次長\n\n00:13.891 --> 00:43.352\n委員好是次長好是這樣的我們剛剛看聽到很多的委員都有提到在這次的修法其實早在蔡部長這個在任的時候當時就已經有承諾說要針對相關這個兒少的這個性侵害犯罪等等的追訴時效的問題要進行研議可是看起來法務部好像動作很慢\n\n00:43.892 --> 01:09.778\n到現在都還沒有你演繹出來一個成果是嗎?包委員我們去年有召開行修小組討論過他們認為說這個現有的制度應該足以保障被害人。我要講的就是其實從剛剛林士明委員談到最近大法官所做出來的這個五入公務員罪違憲的這個解釋那到\n\n01:12.711 --> 01:41.828\n嗯這個近期一連串在民間團體還有立法院這裡呼籲希望能夠要強化刑法相關良心的標準的這個罪行那麼可以知道其實司法不管是司法院或法務部似乎都背離國民的法情感好像不了解現在社會的期待社會的需求是什麼\n\n01:42.968 --> 01:58.782\n那這個部分的話是我希望新內閣法務部這個部長還有次長您應該也是新任的就是可以多瞭解我們現在民間民意在想什麼我們的期待我們的訴求是什麼\n\n02:00.043 --> 02:08.706\n而不要每一次就是大家都很積極的在討論某一些法律的議題可是呢你們好像就是作弊上官或是冷冷的看待就是大家現在這個討論很熱烈的這些法案這些法律議題我必須說我現在感受到雖然說本席才進到立法院大概三個多月可是我已經感受到我們其實現在這一屆的立法委員們是很用功的\n\n02:30.629 --> 02:39.829\n我們非常積極的提出很多具有前瞻性的法案可是我看到的是司法院還有法務部是非常消極\n\n02:41.383 --> 03:08.336\n那麼你們的專案報告裡面基本上大概都不太支持立法委員所提的提案雖然說寫得很保守可是呢這個仔細看起來你們的結論就是不支持但是你們不支持的理由是什麼那為什麼其他國家可以做可是我們國家不能做我覺得你們還要更努力一些把這個你們認為不適當的地方還有其他國家為什麼可做我們不可以做要把這個相關的報告都要\n\n03:13.195 --> 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