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00:00:54,639\n不知道是故意的是不是最近有變化還是有受到賴總統壓力還是怎麼樣否則為什麼之前受訪提到這個是第一件事情但是現在業務報告卻沒有提到謝謝委員的一個關心我想這是我個人的一個疏忽所以是疏忽不是說受到壓力所以不能講沒有沒有沒有我想國家還是要推就對了那現在具體來說要怎麼開訪\n\n4\n00:01:13,615 --> 00:01:34,702\n我們現在事實上以目前的辦法因為我們也知道在COVID之前連續有三四年確實是兩岸就變成這個學衛生就騎乘上是怎樣騎乘上騎乘我們希望說學衛生做博士班大概在明年二月的這一個檢張出來五月就可以決定然後\n\n5\n00:01:35,362 --> 00:02:03,687\n大學決定所以你現在是會有名額限制嗎還是讓各大學自己開名額我們現在目前法令都有的各校的一個啊招生年度的一個招生額度的2%他就是用原來的原來的額度的規定而且兩兩邊也都有一個招生的一個啊這個合作的一個OKOK好好那就是說明年就要開始開放招生嗎其實實際上是這樣然後第二個大家非常關心的是說因為我們現在對陸生有一個三線六部嗎\n\n6\n00:02:04,267 --> 00:02:32,399\n比如說不能夠有獎權金不能打工等等那如果在尊嚴平等情況之下因為我們對於一般的外籍紳士沒有這樣的規定有考慮要開放這三線六部其中的部分的一些限制嗎謝謝委員的關心事實上我們目前已經都在這個部分獎學金鼓勵學校或者地方政府去募款然後提供獎學金甚至這一個他也可以當TARA沒有我知道我現在是講因為\n\n7\n00:02:33,579 --> 00:02:34,300\n打工打工\n\n8\n00:03:01,974 --> 00:03:17,337\n獎學金獎學金是有的所以獎學金現在三線六部裡面有一個沒獎學金這個要開放是我們是鼓勵學校是這個學生的一個學習他的一個表現提供獎學金這個我們是支持的所以三線六部\n\n9\n00:03:18,683 --> 00:03:27,390\n我們事實上是有一些在調整包括跟委員報告從今年2月1號開始陸森也全面這個納入這個健保我想這個部分都是展現我們希望我跟你講了就是說我們不要一直回圈好不好部長第一次見面不要這樣子不要一直回圈我講是說他們不見得要打工也不見得要現在是一個平等問題嘛陸森來這邊\n\n10\n00:03:43,863 --> 00:04:00,535\n那他跟比如說越南籍的或其他的新南向的學生就感覺不一樣嘛你有這個限制我沒有這個或我有這個限制你沒這個限制感覺好像我在這邊就是被當作異類對待嘛我現在講的是這件事情啦那有沒有考慮到說針對剛剛講的問題有有要去調整有沒有我想這一個部分我再來進一步了解然後你再進一步了解好不好所以現在沒有沒有想法就對了\n\n11\n00:04:11,185 --> 00:04:29,838\n對不起我確實有一些業務還沒有還沒有很了解第二個那既然部長到這邊來就是沒有很了解業務但我就針對我們之前有關心的還有一些家長老師的反應的意見來跟你請教了因為我在你的報告裡面有提到有看到你準備要著手118課綱的研擬了那108課綱已經實施到現在已經五六年的時間不知道部長您滿意這個執行結果嗎\n\n12\n00:04:41,519 --> 00:04:50,082\n應該是這麼講那個大方向是沒有問題的大方向沒問題啦我現在問的是執行結果因為108課綱我幾個字來形容啦理想很豐滿現實很骨感啦所以我現在問你的執行你滿意嗎?應該說我們部門是需要微調哪一部分需要微調?就是說我們在98課綱的時候在科技素養這一部分到108往事用融入造型的方向來形容\n\n13\n00:05:14,673 --> 00:05:38,605\n你講的是要增加AI我講的是執行狀況啦執行狀況這樣好不好不然部長我來直接講好不好我來反映一下家長跟學生心聲好嗎第一個因為108課剛是把必修少四分之一增加學科嘛學科沒有考試學科很多都是用報告田野調查寫一個學術論文那你現在是用碩士學生的標準去看待這些國中高中學生啊\n\n14\n00:05:39,963 --> 00:06:03,206\n所以這個給他們帶來非常大的壓力那很多學生報告有時候也寫不太出來所以用CHAPGBT不然就是用其他方式來處理這沒有辦法達到你原本想要的目標第二個就是說因為我們的很多學科的時數變少所以我們現在知識變得很破碎我們的基礎知識也不夠現在很多大學的老師跟我們反映\n\n15\n00:06:03,666 --> 00:06:21,382\n比如說他可能是我看到你有一個目標是希望能夠增加我們前瞻技術人才嘛增加前瞻技術人才當然需要很扎實的基礎的知識來做支撐可是這些學生108課高學生到大學之後大學必須要重新教比如說普通物理或微積分為什麼\n\n16\n00:06:22,603 --> 00:06:27,608\n因為高中你把人家學科的時數減少了嘛所以這個都是一個非常大的問題啊然後對於老師而言老師的壓力也變大因為你現在要他們自己要開選修課那這家選修課選修課他要花更多的時間來備課然後他要改很多這個所謂碩士論文級的這些高中生的報告\n\n17\n00:06:44,346 --> 00:06:58,855\n可是他時數沒有減少但他壓力增加所以老師的壓力也非常大所以我們當然是可以認同說108課綱他所謂的我們要多元我們要增加選修讓學生探索可是實際的執行狀況就出現很大的落差\n\n18\n00:07:01,617 --> 00:07:23,394\n這就是說給部長參考吧你現在要做118課綱的時候這個問題是必須要面臨要解決的然後再來就是大家比如說舉很多課程比如歷史課歷史現在很多學生讀歷史覺得很無聊啊因為歷史現在因為他的那個時數變得很少所以變得非常破碎他在讀歷史的時候他只記年份跟他發生什麼事情但整體來說沒有脈絡\n\n19\n00:07:25,205 --> 00:07:44,324\n所以這個都會讓他他產生對歷史的興趣的減少好不好這個108課剛我剛講那幾件問題幾件事情我希望部長你之後可以瞭解一下那你也可以看之前那個上一週開始做一個調查現在我們要讀私立高中私立國中的學生暴增現在已經到15%要讀私立國中的這個是不是一個\n\n20\n00:07:50,290 --> 00:08:14,060\n往上的趨勢那不然你要了解一下為什麼會出現這個情形嗎除了108課綱的問題之外校園安全啊你現在在公立國中公立國中有的學生被記十字大過都無所謂啊你現在校規對學生沒有辦法帶來任何的規範啊學生認為說被記大過好給你記啊那老師覺得說對啊我記你十字大過二十字大過你也不關痛癢我記我也懶得記啦\n\n21\n00:08:15,987 --> 00:08:22,789\n所以校園安全本身也出現問題啊不然我不知道說你最近剛上任有沒有瞭解這些情形有嗎\n\n22\n00:08:26,696 --> 00:08:46,594\n謝謝委員的關心我想校園的一個安全確實不是不只校園安全印巴克綱整個整理的問題印巴克綱事實上我從過去的一個工作的一個經驗當然我有一定程度的理解譬如說剛才委員所提到的這個在數學物理對你有沒有發現說我們到了大學我們要重新把高中應該教的物理化學為積分再繳一遍有沒有\n\n23\n00:08:52,739 --> 00:09:13,066\n我們看到有一些有一些單元確實我們看到這個大學利用這個暑假的之前有一些補救的這些大學的對嘛就是108剛實施之後我們大學還要補救嗎這就是問題所在的嗎不過我想108課綱基本上他就強調自主協議對人探索剛才委員提到現在理想很豐滿\n\n24\n00:09:15,327 --> 00:09:30,001\n好不好現實很骨感所以我現在問的是執行的狀況我想我們會問好不好再來就是雙語教育啦現在那個我們現在政府要推2030雙語教育嘛2024年說雙語的師資到6000名現在幾名了2024說要到6000位雙語教師現在幾位了\n\n25\n00:09:44,707 --> 00:10:02,017\n跟委員報告我們目前是有這個四千四千多位將近五千有辦法到六千位嗎一直在努力繼續努力啦我跟部長報告很多國小的家長跟我反映啊國小的英文不知道在上什麼\n\n26\n00:10:03,580 --> 00:10:26,895\n說在某一個國小五年級找一個英語找一個老師用全英文方式上自然課上的時候所有的學生都聽不懂完全對自然失去興趣一個月後老師先用英文教一遍之後用中文再教一遍大家中文的時候就聽了再一個月放棄英文教學直接用中文現在雙語教育在國小的實施也遇到了非常多的問題\n\n27\n00:10:28,830 --> 00:10:44,838\n然後像譬如說他因為他們也沒有其他的教材他們就背課文背課文在國小的時候課文背得很厲害所以有95分可是以這樣的英文能力他連英文過去式都不知道到國中才發現原來有英文過去式\n\n28\n00:10:45,822 --> 00:11:11,488\n所以國小的雙語教育推動也面臨到一樣的狀況我們當然都希望大家英文可以好啊可是在推動過程當中不了解現實就出現了很大的落差那我剛剛講的幾件事情都是很多家長跟老師的反應啊因為我們知道部長你才剛上來而且你是高教的嘛你也不是國民教育這些希望說部長可以了解一下針對未來這些政策看看是要修正因為新的部長上任總是有新的想法嘛好不好好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10510\t11131\t麻煩請教育部長謝謝好請鄭部長\n19366\t45197\t委員好部長好第一次見面因為教育部的業務非常龐雜千頭萬緒每一項都非常重要所以今天只有12分鐘可能也沒辦法問太細那就針對部長您自己提到的幾個優先順序要做來跟您請教第一個放在你的首位的就是您希望在兩岸平等尊嚴情況之下讓大陸學會生來台但是非常遺憾在你們的業務報告裡面完全沒有看到這個部分\n45737\t54639\t不知道是故意的是不是最近有變化還是有受到賴總統壓力還是怎麼樣否則為什麼之前受訪提到這個是第一件事情但是現在業務報告卻沒有提到謝謝委員的一個關心我想這是我個人的一個疏忽所以是疏忽不是說受到壓力所以不能講沒有沒有沒有我想國家還是要推就對了那現在具體來說要怎麼開訪\n73615\t94702\t我們現在事實上以目前的辦法因為我們也知道在COVID之前連續有三四年確實是兩岸就變成這個學衛生就騎乘上是怎樣騎乘上騎乘我們希望說學衛生做博士班大概在明年二月的這一個檢張出來五月就可以決定然後\n95362\t123687\t大學決定所以你現在是會有名額限制嗎還是讓各大學自己開名額我們現在目前法令都有的各校的一個啊招生年度的一個招生額度的2%他就是用原來的原來的額度的規定而且兩兩邊也都有一個招生的一個啊這個合作的一個OKOK好好那就是說明年就要開始開放招生嗎其實實際上是這樣然後第二個大家非常關心的是說因為我們現在對陸生有一個三線六部嗎\n124267\t152399\t比如說不能夠有獎權金不能打工等等那如果在尊嚴平等情況之下因為我們對於一般的外籍紳士沒有這樣的規定有考慮要開放這三線六部其中的部分的一些限制嗎謝謝委員的關心事實上我們目前已經都在這個部分獎學金鼓勵學校或者地方政府去募款然後提供獎學金甚至這一個他也可以當TARA沒有我知道我現在是講因為\n153579\t154300\t打工打工\n181974\t197337\t獎學金獎學金是有的所以獎學金現在三線六部裡面有一個沒獎學金這個要開放是我們是鼓勵學校是這個學生的一個學習他的一個表現提供獎學金這個我們是支持的所以三線六部\n198683\t207390\t我們事實上是有一些在調整包括跟委員報告從今年2月1號開始陸森也全面這個納入這個健保我想這個部分都是展現我們希望我跟你講了就是說我們不要一直回圈好不好部長第一次見面不要這樣子不要一直回圈我講是說他們不見得要打工也不見得要現在是一個平等問題嘛陸森來這邊\n223863\t240535\t那他跟比如說越南籍的或其他的新南向的學生就感覺不一樣嘛你有這個限制我沒有這個或我有這個限制你沒這個限制感覺好像我在這邊就是被當作異類對待嘛我現在講的是這件事情啦那有沒有考慮到說針對剛剛講的問題有有要去調整有沒有我想這一個部分我再來進一步了解然後你再進一步了解好不好所以現在沒有沒有想法就對了\n251185\t269838\t對不起我確實有一些業務還沒有還沒有很了解第二個那既然部長到這邊來就是沒有很了解業務但我就針對我們之前有關心的還有一些家長老師的反應的意見來跟你請教了因為我在你的報告裡面有提到有看到你準備要著手118課綱的研擬了那108課綱已經實施到現在已經五六年的時間不知道部長您滿意這個執行結果嗎\n281519\t290082\t應該是這麼講那個大方向是沒有問題的大方向沒問題啦我現在問的是執行結果因為108課綱我幾個字來形容啦理想很豐滿現實很骨感啦所以我現在問你的執行你滿意嗎?應該說我們部門是需要微調哪一部分需要微調?就是說我們在98課綱的時候在科技素養這一部分到108往事用融入造型的方向來形容\n314673\t338605\t你講的是要增加AI我講的是執行狀況啦執行狀況這樣好不好不然部長我來直接講好不好我來反映一下家長跟學生心聲好嗎第一個因為108課剛是把必修少四分之一增加學科嘛學科沒有考試學科很多都是用報告田野調查寫一個學術論文那你現在是用碩士學生的標準去看待這些國中高中學生啊\n339963\t363206\t所以這個給他們帶來非常大的壓力那很多學生報告有時候也寫不太出來所以用CHAPGBT不然就是用其他方式來處理這沒有辦法達到你原本想要的目標第二個就是說因為我們的很多學科的時數變少所以我們現在知識變得很破碎我們的基礎知識也不夠現在很多大學的老師跟我們反映\n363666\t381382\t比如說他可能是我看到你有一個目標是希望能夠增加我們前瞻技術人才嘛增加前瞻技術人才當然需要很扎實的基礎的知識來做支撐可是這些學生108課高學生到大學之後大學必須要重新教比如說普通物理或微積分為什麼\n382603\t387608\t因為高中你把人家學科的時數減少了嘛所以這個都是一個非常大的問題啊然後對於老師而言老師的壓力也變大因為你現在要他們自己要開選修課那這家選修課選修課他要花更多的時間來備課然後他要改很多這個所謂碩士論文級的這些高中生的報告\n404346\t418855\t可是他時數沒有減少但他壓力增加所以老師的壓力也非常大所以我們當然是可以認同說108課綱他所謂的我們要多元我們要增加選修讓學生探索可是實際的執行狀況就出現很大的落差\n421617\t443394\t這就是說給部長參考吧你現在要做118課綱的時候這個問題是必須要面臨要解決的然後再來就是大家比如說舉很多課程比如歷史課歷史現在很多學生讀歷史覺得很無聊啊因為歷史現在因為他的那個時數變得很少所以變得非常破碎他在讀歷史的時候他只記年份跟他發生什麼事情但整體來說沒有脈絡\n445205\t464324\t所以這個都會讓他他產生對歷史的興趣的減少好不好這個108課剛我剛講那幾件問題幾件事情我希望部長你之後可以瞭解一下那你也可以看之前那個上一週開始做一個調查現在我們要讀私立高中私立國中的學生暴增現在已經到15%要讀私立國中的這個是不是一個\n470290\t494060\t往上的趨勢那不然你要了解一下為什麼會出現這個情形嗎除了108課綱的問題之外校園安全啊你現在在公立國中公立國中有的學生被記十字大過都無所謂啊你現在校規對學生沒有辦法帶來任何的規範啊學生認為說被記大過好給你記啊那老師覺得說對啊我記你十字大過二十字大過你也不關痛癢我記我也懶得記啦\n495987\t502789\t所以校園安全本身也出現問題啊不然我不知道說你最近剛上任有沒有瞭解這些情形有嗎\n506696\t526594\t謝謝委員的關心我想校園的一個安全確實不是不只校園安全 印巴克綱整個整理的問題印巴克綱事實上我從過去的一個工作的一個經驗當然我有一定程度的理解譬如說剛才委員所提到的這個在數學物理對你有沒有發現說我們到了大學我們要重新把高中應該教的物理化學為積分再繳一遍有沒有\n532739\t553066\t我們看到有一些有一些單元確實我們看到這個大學利用這個暑假的之前有一些補救的這些大學的對嘛就是108剛實施之後我們大學還要補救嗎這就是問題所在的嗎不過我想108課綱基本上他就強調自主協議對人探索剛才委員提到現在理想很豐滿\n555327\t570001\t好不好現實很骨感所以我現在問的是執行的狀況我想我們會問好不好再來就是雙語教育啦現在那個我們現在政府要推2030雙語教育嘛2024年說雙語的師資到6000名現在幾名了2024說要到6000位雙語教師現在幾位了\n584707\t602017\t跟委員報告我們目前是有這個四千四千多位將近五千有辦法到六千位嗎一直在努力繼續努力啦我跟部長報告很多國小的家長跟我反映啊國小的英文不知道在上什麼\n603580\t626895\t說在某一個國小五年級找一個英語找一個老師用全英文方式上自然課上的時候所有的學生都聽不懂完全對自然失去興趣一個月後老師先用英文教一遍之後用中文再教一遍大家中文的時候就聽了再一個月放棄英文教學直接用中文現在雙語教育在國小的實施也遇到了非常多的問題\n628830\t644838\t然後像譬如說他因為他們也沒有其他的教材他們就背課文背課文在國小的時候課文背得很厲害所以有95分可是以這樣的英文能力他連英文過去式都不知道到國中才發現原來有英文過去式\n645822\t671488\t所以國小的雙語教育推動也面臨到一樣的狀況我們當然都希望大家英文可以好啊可是在推動過程當中不了解現實就出現了很大的落差那我剛剛講的幾件事情都是很多家長跟老師的反應啊因為我們知道部長你才剛上來而且你是高教的嘛你也不是國民教育這些希望說部長可以了解一下針對未來這些政策看看是要修正因為新的部長上任總是有新的想法嘛好不好好謝謝\n","txt":"麻煩請教育部長謝謝好請鄭部長\n委員好部長好第一次見面因為教育部的業務非常龐雜千頭萬緒每一項都非常重要所以今天只有12分鐘可能也沒辦法問太細那就針對部長您自己提到的幾個優先順序要做來跟您請教第一個放在你的首位的就是您希望在兩岸平等尊嚴情況之下讓大陸學會生來台但是非常遺憾在你們的業務報告裡面完全沒有看到這個部分\n不知道是故意的是不是最近有變化還是有受到賴總統壓力還是怎麼樣否則為什麼之前受訪提到這個是第一件事情但是現在業務報告卻沒有提到謝謝委員的一個關心我想這是我個人的一個疏忽所以是疏忽不是說受到壓力所以不能講沒有沒有沒有我想國家還是要推就對了那現在具體來說要怎麼開訪\n我們現在事實上以目前的辦法因為我們也知道在COVID之前連續有三四年確實是兩岸就變成這個學衛生就騎乘上是怎樣騎乘上騎乘我們希望說學衛生做博士班大概在明年二月的這一個檢張出來五月就可以決定然後\n大學決定所以你現在是會有名額限制嗎還是讓各大學自己開名額我們現在目前法令都有的各校的一個啊招生年度的一個招生額度的2%他就是用原來的原來的額度的規定而且兩兩邊也都有一個招生的一個啊這個合作的一個OKOK好好那就是說明年就要開始開放招生嗎其實實際上是這樣然後第二個大家非常關心的是說因為我們現在對陸生有一個三線六部嗎\n比如說不能夠有獎權金不能打工等等那如果在尊嚴平等情況之下因為我們對於一般的外籍紳士沒有這樣的規定有考慮要開放這三線六部其中的部分的一些限制嗎謝謝委員的關心事實上我們目前已經都在這個部分獎學金鼓勵學校或者地方政府去募款然後提供獎學金甚至這一個他也可以當TARA沒有我知道我現在是講因為\n打工打工\n獎學金獎學金是有的所以獎學金現在三線六部裡面有一個沒獎學金這個要開放是我們是鼓勵學校是這個學生的一個學習他的一個表現提供獎學金這個我們是支持的所以三線六部\n我們事實上是有一些在調整包括跟委員報告從今年2月1號開始陸森也全面這個納入這個健保我想這個部分都是展現我們希望我跟你講了就是說我們不要一直回圈好不好部長第一次見面不要這樣子不要一直回圈我講是說他們不見得要打工也不見得要現在是一個平等問題嘛陸森來這邊\n那他跟比如說越南籍的或其他的新南向的學生就感覺不一樣嘛你有這個限制我沒有這個或我有這個限制你沒這個限制感覺好像我在這邊就是被當作異類對待嘛我現在講的是這件事情啦那有沒有考慮到說針對剛剛講的問題有有要去調整有沒有我想這一個部分我再來進一步了解然後你再進一步了解好不好所以現在沒有沒有想法就對了\n對不起我確實有一些業務還沒有還沒有很了解第二個那既然部長到這邊來就是沒有很了解業務但我就針對我們之前有關心的還有一些家長老師的反應的意見來跟你請教了因為我在你的報告裡面有提到有看到你準備要著手118課綱的研擬了那108課綱已經實施到現在已經五六年的時間不知道部長您滿意這個執行結果嗎\n應該是這麼講那個大方向是沒有問題的大方向沒問題啦我現在問的是執行結果因為108課綱我幾個字來形容啦理想很豐滿現實很骨感啦所以我現在問你的執行你滿意嗎?應該說我們部門是需要微調哪一部分需要微調?就是說我們在98課綱的時候在科技素養這一部分到108往事用融入造型的方向來形容\n你講的是要增加AI我講的是執行狀況啦執行狀況這樣好不好不然部長我來直接講好不好我來反映一下家長跟學生心聲好嗎第一個因為108課剛是把必修少四分之一增加學科嘛學科沒有考試學科很多都是用報告田野調查寫一個學術論文那你現在是用碩士學生的標準去看待這些國中高中學生啊\n所以這個給他們帶來非常大的壓力那很多學生報告有時候也寫不太出來所以用CHAPGBT不然就是用其他方式來處理這沒有辦法達到你原本想要的目標第二個就是說因為我們的很多學科的時數變少所以我們現在知識變得很破碎我們的基礎知識也不夠現在很多大學的老師跟我們反映\n比如說他可能是我看到你有一個目標是希望能夠增加我們前瞻技術人才嘛增加前瞻技術人才當然需要很扎實的基礎的知識來做支撐可是這些學生108課高學生到大學之後大學必須要重新教比如說普通物理或微積分為什麼\n因為高中你把人家學科的時數減少了嘛所以這個都是一個非常大的問題啊然後對於老師而言老師的壓力也變大因為你現在要他們自己要開選修課那這家選修課選修課他要花更多的時間來備課然後他要改很多這個所謂碩士論文級的這些高中生的報告\n可是他時數沒有減少但他壓力增加所以老師的壓力也非常大所以我們當然是可以認同說108課綱他所謂的我們要多元我們要增加選修讓學生探索可是實際的執行狀況就出現很大的落差\n這就是說給部長參考吧你現在要做118課綱的時候這個問題是必須要面臨要解決的然後再來就是大家比如說舉很多課程比如歷史課歷史現在很多學生讀歷史覺得很無聊啊因為歷史現在因為他的那個時數變得很少所以變得非常破碎他在讀歷史的時候他只記年份跟他發生什麼事情但整體來說沒有脈絡\n所以這個都會讓他他產生對歷史的興趣的減少好不好這個108課剛我剛講那幾件問題幾件事情我希望部長你之後可以瞭解一下那你也可以看之前那個上一週開始做一個調查現在我們要讀私立高中私立國中的學生暴增現在已經到15%要讀私立國中的這個是不是一個\n往上的趨勢那不然你要了解一下為什麼會出現這個情形嗎除了108課綱的問題之外校園安全啊你現在在公立國中公立國中有的學生被記十字大過都無所謂啊你現在校規對學生沒有辦法帶來任何的規範啊學生認為說被記大過好給你記啊那老師覺得說對啊我記你十字大過二十字大過你也不關痛癢我記我也懶得記啦\n所以校園安全本身也出現問題啊不然我不知道說你最近剛上任有沒有瞭解這些情形有嗎\n謝謝委員的關心我想校園的一個安全確實不是不只校園安全 印巴克綱整個整理的問題印巴克綱事實上我從過去的一個工作的一個經驗當然我有一定程度的理解譬如說剛才委員所提到的這個在數學物理對你有沒有發現說我們到了大學我們要重新把高中應該教的物理化學為積分再繳一遍有沒有\n我們看到有一些有一些單元確實我們看到這個大學利用這個暑假的之前有一些補救的這些大學的對嘛就是108剛實施之後我們大學還要補救嗎這就是問題所在的嗎不過我想108課綱基本上他就強調自主協議對人探索剛才委員提到現在理想很豐滿\n好不好現實很骨感所以我現在問的是執行的狀況我想我們會問好不好再來就是雙語教育啦現在那個我們現在政府要推2030雙語教育嘛2024年說雙語的師資到6000名現在幾名了2024說要到6000位雙語教師現在幾位了\n跟委員報告我們目前是有這個四千四千多位將近五千有辦法到六千位嗎一直在努力繼續努力啦我跟部長報告很多國小的家長跟我反映啊國小的英文不知道在上什麼\n說在某一個國小五年級找一個英語找一個老師用全英文方式上自然課上的時候所有的學生都聽不懂完全對自然失去興趣一個月後老師先用英文教一遍之後用中文再教一遍大家中文的時候就聽了再一個月放棄英文教學直接用中文現在雙語教育在國小的實施也遇到了非常多的問題\n然後像譬如說他因為他們也沒有其他的教材他們就背課文背課文在國小的時候課文背得很厲害所以有95分可是以這樣的英文能力他連英文過去式都不知道到國中才發現原來有英文過去式\n所以國小的雙語教育推動也面臨到一樣的狀況我們當然都希望大家英文可以好啊可是在推動過程當中不了解現實就出現了很大的落差那我剛剛講的幾件事情都是很多家長跟老師的反應啊因為我們知道部長你才剛上來而且你是高教的嘛你也不是國民教育這些希望說部長可以了解一下針對未來這些政策看看是要修正因為新的部長上任總是有新的想法嘛好不好好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.510 --> 00:11.131\n麻煩請教育部長謝謝好請鄭部長\n\n00:19.366 --> 00:45.197\n委員好部長好第一次見面因為教育部的業務非常龐雜千頭萬緒每一項都非常重要所以今天只有12分鐘可能也沒辦法問太細那就針對部長您自己提到的幾個優先順序要做來跟您請教第一個放在你的首位的就是您希望在兩岸平等尊嚴情況之下讓大陸學會生來台但是非常遺憾在你們的業務報告裡面完全沒有看到這個部分\n\n00:45.737 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04:00.535\n那他跟比如說越南籍的或其他的新南向的學生就感覺不一樣嘛你有這個限制我沒有這個或我有這個限制你沒這個限制感覺好像我在這邊就是被當作異類對待嘛我現在講的是這件事情啦那有沒有考慮到說針對剛剛講的問題有有要去調整有沒有我想這一個部分我再來進一步了解然後你再進一步了解好不好所以現在沒有沒有想法就對了\n\n04:11.185 --> 04:29.838\n對不起我確實有一些業務還沒有還沒有很了解第二個那既然部長到這邊來就是沒有很了解業務但我就針對我們之前有關心的還有一些家長老師的反應的意見來跟你請教了因為我在你的報告裡面有提到有看到你準備要著手118課綱的研擬了那108課綱已經實施到現在已經五六年的時間不知道部長您滿意這個執行結果嗎\n\n04:41.519 --> 04:50.082\n應該是這麼講那個大方向是沒有問題的大方向沒問題啦我現在問的是執行結果因為108課綱我幾個字來形容啦理想很豐滿現實很骨感啦所以我現在問你的執行你滿意嗎?應該說我們部門是需要微調哪一部分需要微調?就是說我們在98課綱的時候在科技素養這一部分到108往事用融入造型的方向來形容\n\n05:14.673 --> 05:38.605\n你講的是要增加AI我講的是執行狀況啦執行狀況這樣好不好不然部長我來直接講好不好我來反映一下家長跟學生心聲好嗎第一個因為108課剛是把必修少四分之一增加學科嘛學科沒有考試學科很多都是用報告田野調查寫一個學術論文那你現在是用碩士學生的標準去看待這些國中高中學生啊\n\n05:39.963 --> 06:03.206\n所以這個給他們帶來非常大的壓力那很多學生報告有時候也寫不太出來所以用CHAPGBT不然就是用其他方式來處理這沒有辦法達到你原本想要的目標第二個就是說因為我們的很多學科的時數變少所以我們現在知識變得很破碎我們的基礎知識也不夠現在很多大學的老師跟我們反映\n\n06:03.666 --> 06:21.382\n比如說他可能是我看到你有一個目標是希望能夠增加我們前瞻技術人才嘛增加前瞻技術人才當然需要很扎實的基礎的知識來做支撐可是這些學生108課高學生到大學之後大學必須要重新教比如說普通物理或微積分為什麼\n\n06:22.603 --> 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