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00:02:21,902\n百姓真的這個上當的這個機率就會相對的提高那我們就目前這個部長也新上任那你也針對就是未來這個主詐打詐也有看起來是雄心大志看好你宣布說要來成立這個打詐的通報查詢網然後希望\n\n7\n00:02:22,422 --> 00:02:43,407\n能夠讓這個主詐成果拼立竿見影那就是說就這個打詐通報查詢網我目前我也不曉得說你們這個功能到底能夠到什麼樣的一個程度那未來就是說就您所說明的如果說針對這個可疑的簡訊網址就是可以透過通報查詢網來確認是否為詐騙訊息\n\n8\n00:02:46,748 --> 00:03:12,800\n那像目前就光是網路上臉書那每天我在看手機的時候幾乎就是有很多的這個詐騙的一個訊息我來看一下第一則就是像最常被冒用的就是我們的謝金河這個是我早上才看到的那之前真的很多很多不同的一個類型那他本人也曾經提出\n\n9\n00:03:13,713 --> 00:03:37,045\n也曾經就是去報案處理可是還是層出不窮然後第二個就是這個曹新成也是被冒用的這是在這個限動這個限動的這個部分就有可以看得到還有包括我們的這個經濟部長還沒有上任之前就被冒用了就用用他的名義來這個有這個臉書來\n\n10\n00:03:40,066 --> 00:03:50,342\n啊就是詐騙了所以這樣子的臉書的一個訊息真的是非常的多好層出不窮那未來我就這個部分你說像這個主詐打詐通報查詢網的話就這個部分你會怎麼處理\n\n11\n00:03:54,807 --> 00:04:10,837\n就是像這種東西我們當然我們自己本身會用AI技術會去scan剛講就是剛講說比如說臉書我們希望很快就發現有這樣的這樣那個所謂的疑似假訊息那我們就會處理以後\n\n12\n00:04:11,417 --> 00:04:11,597\n拜訪委員\n\n13\n00:05:09,457 --> 00:05:30,282\n謝謝委員我們有說明的機會那部長就任之後大概也積極告訴我們說要做打爆打炸的通報查詢網所以像剛剛提到的郭部長的部分大概我們透過行政指導也跟臉書協作大概那兩個都拿下來那我們林次郎因為他IT背景所以叫我們要這個現在已經在試行就名人的部分\n\n14\n00:05:30,802 --> 00:05:31,362\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n15\n00:05:46,673 --> 00:05:46,853\n以上報告,謝謝\n\n16\n00:06:12,737 --> 00:06:37,537\n我剛剛就是有聽到我們部長跟處長剛剛的回覆就是說如果說針對這樣子的一個網路的一個投資詐騙那剛剛部長說你們scan之後如果說是疑似這個詐騙的一個網頁那你們會通報LINE的話那就是由直接由你們訴發部去通報了不用再由透過警政署我們希望連線跟他們直接連就直接通報對是確實可以做到這樣子嗎\n\n17\n00:06:39,338 --> 00:06:49,427\n我們會要求他們要接受我們的那個通報對是那我們也是希望是可以這樣子那另外就是說事實上在部長你提出的這個就是\n\n18\n00:06:50,014 --> 00:06:50,894\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n19\n00:07:15,301 --> 00:07:29,267\n會合作,而且我們有說這個查證是多方驗證,不是單一技術,所以我們也會利用這些民間的查詢一起交叉比對認證我也是希望如此,因為我們也希望資源不要浪費\n\n20\n00:07:30,407 --> 00:07:56,569\n那另外一個部分就是說我聽到我有看到部長接受訪問的時候你有提到說查詢網會根據內容進行分流健康醫療的方面的詐騙訊息給衛福部農業相關的給農業部去就是交給主管機關去判斷增尾可是我覺得說這樣子的一個流程好像就是會會去delay到這個訊息假訊息的一個處理的一個效率\n\n21\n00:07:56,949 --> 00:08:19,377\n包括委員因為這個有些專業不是我們能夠直接從文字上做判斷比如健康的消息到這個叫事證之下這個藥到底有效沒效這東西還是要回去那個相關部門去處理那據我所知我剛剛有提到這個事實查核中心他們好像就是直接可以去判別真偽然後給我們回覆就是說在這個效率上是非常的快又及時\n\n22\n00:08:20,197 --> 00:08:40,126\n對但是有關專業剛講像這個藥啊這個醫藥醫學上面的東西我覺得還是要謹慎小心這樣所以我們還是會請部會處理盡速處理啦就是說其實他們也可以很快的處理但是處理結果會再跟我們講我們就會在網路上PO出來這樣但是我覺得專業還是回歸到專業的主管單位\n\n23\n00:08:40,706 --> 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