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00:02:31,658\n我目前所收到訊息並沒有說會有問題所以我們還是朝這個目標在努力就是朝這個目標在努力是不是我希望是不是書面報告給我因為這個關係到未來台灣不管是在戰略上或者是在一個廣泛的服務上甚至他在緊急救災的時候那這個衛星的一個\n\n8\n00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:47,851\n確保這個網路訊號能夠正常能夠讓我們所有的訊息都能夠接收得到這個很重要而且接收到的訊息要安全要正常而且要精準對不對然後訊號不能斷嘛\n\n9\n00:02:51,413 --> 00:03:08,459\n所以我希望你給我一個詳細的書面報告好不好而且我希望的這個帝國衛星的一個oneweb的合作這個服務到年底的770個點不會跳票而且甚至要希望能夠增加這樣子才能夠廣泛而且全方位的一個服務那接著呢\n\n10\n00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:29,581\n部長來訪問外訪我的時候有在講到說現在從上到下從行政院到我們幾個都在講打詐那剛剛林俊憲委員有提到這一個我們現在詐騙案量是持續的增加投資詐騙又是增幅最大數字我就不要再講了但是我要講的問題是什麼來下一頁\n\n11\n00:03:32,321 --> 00:03:49,836\n我們只有阻絕社團的投資詐騙廣告真的只有通報下架還不夠因為刑事局公布了第一季的網路平台違法的投資廣告臉書拘手我們努力的去反映努力的去要求下架也達到3.2萬則\n\n12\n00:03:51,457 --> 00:04:14,465\n但是只有這樣子還不夠因為呢這樣子的投資詐騙廣告層出不窮剛剛陳淑月委員有提到嘛對不對那我就想我們去年3月6月30號通過了一個投顧法70-1條就是呢希望能夠採實名制的一個這個投資理財廣告採實名制但是呢光是這一個投顧法修法之後到現在\n\n13\n00:04:15,905 --> 00:04:41,243\n何欣純無所謂因為為什麼這個投顧法的第71條的實名制只是要加強投放方的自我資訊的揭露而已並沒有強制性的要求平台一定要怎樣怎樣怎樣所以部長你剛剛好像也回其他委員說你要邀請這些平台業者來喝咖啡或者是邀請他們來商量因為還無法可管的情況之下但是\n\n14\n00:04:41,963 --> 00:04:58,675\n部長只有喝咖啡夠嗎你剛剛講威脅兩個字我是覺得用字不太妥但是呢嚴格的督促甚至用其他的一個政策工具是不是可以來拜託是不是可以來督促我們平台業者可以來\n\n15\n00:04:59,455 --> 00:05:26,011\n更進一步的在源頭管理開始來採更積極的落實實名制?部長你覺得勒?那個對沒有錯我剛剛講就是說一個是要用法去管那法沒有通過以前就是用各式各樣管道跟他們溝通那剛剛有講就是說我們第一個就是還是希望說有這個打造通報這個查詢網能夠把這個通報時間縮短讓下架時間快一點\n\n16\n00:05:26,952 --> 00:05:27,632\n你這個查詢的這個平台要建立要多久?\n\n17\n00:05:51,821 --> 00:06:07,354\n三個月之內會上架三個月之內可以更快一點好嗎可以更快一點好嗎因為你們的專業技術還要到三個月以後那至於說那個那我就跟你講還有其他的政策工具還有其他我們已經立法的一個工具啊修法的工具啊\n\n18\n00:06:08,821 --> 00:06:24,898\n在唐峰部長時代我們修的這個電子簽章法嗎因為你們一直在講說我們要推平台上架的投資廣告要驗證驗什麼驗數位簽章嘛對不對那現在我們社群平台如何驗證現在你們驗證我的意思是說電子簽章法三讀通過到現在你們的驗證第一個\n\n19\n00:06:31,528 --> 00:06:57,908\n對,所以說要強迫業者對,強迫業者要能夠...你們強迫業者但是你們用什麼工具去強迫業者啊對,那個打詐法打詐法的第3、4條有這樣的一個他專法3、4條有這樣的一個要求所以專法還沒通過之前你們也沒有辦法強制業者啊就是說現在投資廣告詐騙正在進行是但是你們還是沒有辦法第二個第二個我們現在這些平台\n\n20\n00:06:59,071 --> 00:07:27,635\n業者協調嫁接的進度如何?嫁接我們電子簽章法的這個所謂的驗證數位驗證平台接受嗎?技術面跟委員報告就是說其實我們部長對這個非常重視因為他列為我們第一個要務那上個禮拜五我們林政務次長已經找了GoogleMeta9來開會電子簽章法因為他本來就是做數位簽章或電子簽章這樣的做法\n\n21\n00:07:27,975 --> 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Meta9來開會電子簽章法因為他本來就是做數位簽章或電子簽章這樣的做法\n447975\t452218\t那我們在打詐專法的第30條目前行政院送到立法院的版本裡頭就是要用數位簽章或是所謂快速身份識別機制或是就叫FIDO那因為業者上禮拜五來說這兩個他有時候要改系統要到母公司去所以其實我們打詐專法裡頭有或其他安全性相當的技術或方式來驗證來跟你們開會的這業者說如果要改系統要回到母公司就有時間\n477939\t500056\t對一個要時間啊對一個要門口門檻要件比較高嘛是是是而且第三個不見得做得到不見得母公司願意改系統嘛跟委員報告齁現在因為沒這個法啊所以我們立法院喔快點過去啊我們其實那個母公司應該都是國際公司所以他是法尊啊他開會是說你這個法沒有啊現在就先用行政指導再加上我們部長做的這個打詐的查詢網用行政指導行政指導的你們所謂的其他方法是什麼\n511262\t529029\t委員你好。的確上個禮拜我們在跟那個Google、Line還有Facebook他們在談論這件事情的時候他們就一直跟我們講說因為他們是國外的公司所以他們都要依照他們母國的法律然後另外他們改系統有的說要18個月有的說多久\n529409\t545854\t那我就跟他們講說第一個你在雖然是你母國可能是美國可能是日本但是你到台灣來你就得遵守台灣法律就像我們台灣的各種網路公司到國外去進行營業的時候我們到美國到日本也必須遵守當地的法律\n546474\t573429\t那另外一件事情呢是像是Facebook他們雖然說他們改系統要18個月但是我也提醒他們說他們之前就是在已經就是政治類的廣告他們會做那個實名認證有程度的實名認證那我就是想說其實你也不用改系統只是把原來這個政治廣告的那套機制把它擴大實施的範圍我們希望在這些投資方面的廣告也都能使用同樣的機制他有答應嗎?\n574769\t593644\t他們說他們會盡量配合那我們會持續的跟他溝通除了法律面以外我們也希望就是說利用因為台灣現在民意對於這個詐騙尤其這幾個廣告平台上面的詐騙已經非常非常不滿了那我們希望也利用輿論的壓力給他們更大的就是在商業上給他們更大的壓力\n594685\t595005\t何欣純委員發言完畢\n","txt":"好謝謝主席李坤哲召委我們請黃部長請黃部長\n我另外一位次長不在黃部長好在我進入我的質詢之前我想再請教一件事因為今天有媒體報導這個我們台灣的低軌衛星的一個進度因為在唐鳳部長的時代在花蓮地震的時候我們首次在啟用了低軌衛星那我根據媒體的報導跟唐鳳部長之前跟我講的\n不僅也是低軌衛星還有中低軌衛星並用用於花蓮的救災當時候的唐鳳部長說訊號優於預期所以我不知道你們預期中的是怎麼樣又是怎樣的判斷優於預期我們合作的是英國的OneWeb而不是馬斯克的星鏈當然這個有一些考量我知道\n那尤其這個馬斯克的這個很多的事業重心是在中國那甚至可能因為他是比較親中的態度所以對我們來講是有一點疑慮所以我們沒有選擇星鏈而是one way那我就想請教黃部長那未來台灣在這個帝國衛星的這樣子的一個發展裡面部長你的態度如何?你的預期如何?\n報告委員本來這個韌性就需要各式各樣的通信管道衛星是一個非常重要的管道那當然這個OneWeb是目前跟我們合作比較密切的那當然是OneWeb但是我們還有中那是低軌還有中軌那當然還有同步衛星我們都會一起用那所以這會是一個整合那個細節是不是請牛司長\n我只是想問部長一下當時的唐峰部長是說第一回衛星我們跟one web合作你剛剛說是多方的合作多元的合作但是one web現在起碼是我們選擇的重點合作的對象那唐峰部長說到今年下半年度這個one web提供的服務應該到年底會有770個點那這個預期這個進度如期如實嗎\n我目前所收到訊息並沒有說會有問題所以我們還是朝這個目標在努力就是朝這個目標在努力是不是我希望是不是書面報告給我因為這個關係到未來台灣不管是在戰略上或者是在一個廣泛的服務上甚至他在緊急救災的時候那這個衛星的一個\n確保這個網路訊號能夠正常能夠讓我們所有的訊息都能夠接收得到這個很重要而且接收到的訊息要安全要正常而且要精準對不對然後訊號不能斷嘛\n所以我希望你給我一個詳細的書面報告好不好而且我希望的這個帝國衛星的一個one web的合作這個服務到年底的770個點不會跳票而且甚至要希望能夠增加這樣子才能夠廣泛而且全方位的一個服務那接著呢\n部長來訪問外訪我的時候有在講到說現在從上到下從行政院到我們幾個都在講打詐那剛剛林俊憲委員有提到這一個我們現在詐騙案量是持續的增加投資詐騙又是增幅最大數字我就不要再講了但是我要講的問題是什麼來下一頁\n我們只有阻絕社團的投資詐騙廣告真的只有通報下架還不夠因為刑事局公布了第一季的網路平台違法的投資廣告臉書拘手我們努力的去反映努力的去要求下架也達到3.2萬則\n但是只有這樣子還不夠因為呢這樣子的投資詐騙廣告層出不窮剛剛陳淑月委員有提到嘛對不對那我就想我們去年3月6月30號通過了一個投顧法70-1條就是呢希望能夠採實名制的一個這個投資理財廣告採實名制但是呢光是這一個投顧法修法之後到現在\n何欣純無所謂因為為什麼這個投顧法的第71條的實名制只是要加強投放方的自我資訊的揭露而已並沒有強制性的要求平台一定要怎樣怎樣怎樣所以部長你剛剛好像也回其他委員說你要邀請這些平台業者來喝咖啡或者是邀請他們來商量因為還無法可管的情況之下但是\n部長只有喝咖啡夠嗎你剛剛講威脅兩個字我是覺得用字不太妥但是呢嚴格的督促甚至用其他的一個政策工具是不是可以來拜託是不是可以來督促我們平台業者可以來\n更進一步的在源頭管理開始來採更積極的落實實名制?部長你覺得勒?那個對沒有錯我剛剛講就是說一個是要用法去管那法沒有通過以前就是用各式各樣管道跟他們溝通那剛剛有講就是說我們第一個就是還是希望說有這個打造通報這個查詢網能夠把這個通報時間縮短讓下架時間快一點\n你這個查詢的這個平台要建立要多久?\n三個月之內會上架三個月之內可以更快一點好嗎可以更快一點好嗎因為你們的專業技術還要到三個月以後那至於說那個那我就跟你講還有其他的政策工具還有其他我們已經立法的一個工具啊修法的工具啊\n在唐峰部長時代我們修的這個電子簽章法嗎因為你們一直在講說我們要推平台上架的投資廣告要驗證驗什麼驗數位簽章嘛對不對那現在我們社群平台如何驗證現在你們驗證我的意思是說電子簽章法三讀通過到現在你們的驗證第一個\n對,所以說要強迫業者對,強迫業者要能夠...你們強迫業者但是你們用什麼工具去強迫業者啊對,那個打詐法打詐法的第3、4條有這樣的一個他專法3、4條有這樣的一個要求所以專法還沒通過之前你們也沒有辦法強制業者啊就是說現在投資廣告詐騙正在進行是但是你們還是沒有辦法第二個第二個我們現在這些平台\n業者協調嫁接的進度如何?嫁接我們電子簽章法的這個所謂的驗證數位驗證平台接受嗎?技術面跟委員報告就是說其實我們部長對這個非常重視因為他列為我們第一個要務那上個禮拜五我們林政務次長已經找了Google Meta9來開會電子簽章法因為他本來就是做數位簽章或電子簽章這樣的做法\n那我們在打詐專法的第30條目前行政院送到立法院的版本裡頭就是要用數位簽章或是所謂快速身份識別機制或是就叫FIDO那因為業者上禮拜五來說這兩個他有時候要改系統要到母公司去所以其實我們打詐專法裡頭有或其他安全性相當的技術或方式來驗證來跟你們開會的這業者說如果要改系統要回到母公司就有時間\n對一個要時間啊對一個要門口門檻要件比較高嘛是是是而且第三個不見得做得到不見得母公司願意改系統嘛跟委員報告齁現在因為沒這個法啊所以我們立法院喔快點過去啊我們其實那個母公司應該都是國際公司所以他是法尊啊他開會是說你這個法沒有啊現在就先用行政指導再加上我們部長做的這個打詐的查詢網用行政指導行政指導的你們所謂的其他方法是什麼\n委員你好。的確上個禮拜我們在跟那個Google、Line還有Facebook他們在談論這件事情的時候他們就一直跟我們講說因為他們是國外的公司所以他們都要依照他們母國的法律然後另外他們改系統有的說要18個月有的說多久\n那我就跟他們講說第一個你在雖然是你母國可能是美國可能是日本但是你到台灣來你就得遵守台灣法律就像我們台灣的各種網路公司到國外去進行營業的時候我們到美國到日本也必須遵守當地的法律\n那另外一件事情呢是像是Facebook他們雖然說他們改系統要18個月但是我也提醒他們說他們之前就是在已經就是政治類的廣告他們會做那個實名認證有程度的實名認證那我就是想說其實你也不用改系統只是把原來這個政治廣告的那套機制把它擴大實施的範圍我們希望在這些投資方面的廣告也都能使用同樣的機制他有答應嗎?\n他們說他們會盡量配合那我們會持續的跟他溝通除了法律面以外我們也希望就是說利用因為台灣現在民意對於這個詐騙尤其這幾個廣告平台上面的詐騙已經非常非常不滿了那我們希望也利用輿論的壓力給他們更大的就是在商業上給他們更大的壓力\n何欣純委員發言完畢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.785 --> 00:04.299\n好謝謝主席李坤哲召委我們請黃部長請黃部長\n\n00:07.523 --> 00:29.511\n我另外一位次長不在黃部長好在我進入我的質詢之前我想再請教一件事因為今天有媒體報導這個我們台灣的低軌衛星的一個進度因為在唐鳳部長的時代在花蓮地震的時候我們首次在啟用了低軌衛星那我根據媒體的報導跟唐鳳部長之前跟我講的\n\n00:31.672 --> 00:34.755\n不僅也是低軌衛星還有中低軌衛星並用用於花蓮的救災當時候的唐鳳部長說訊號優於預期所以我不知道你們預期中的是怎麼樣又是怎樣的判斷優於預期我們合作的是英國的OneWeb而不是馬斯克的星鏈當然這個有一些考量我知道\n\n00:58.152 --> 01:19.326\n那尤其這個馬斯克的這個很多的事業重心是在中國那甚至可能因為他是比較親中的態度所以對我們來講是有一點疑慮所以我們沒有選擇星鏈而是oneway那我就想請教黃部長那未來台灣在這個帝國衛星的這樣子的一個發展裡面部長你的態度如何?你的預期如何?\n\n01:22.268 --> 01:40.510\n報告委員本來這個韌性就需要各式各樣的通信管道衛星是一個非常重要的管道那當然這個OneWeb是目前跟我們合作比較密切的那當然是OneWeb但是我們還有中那是低軌還有中軌那當然還有同步衛星我們都會一起用那所以這會是一個整合那個細節是不是請牛司長\n\n01:42.792 --> 02:04.840\n我只是想問部長一下當時的唐峰部長是說第一回衛星我們跟oneweb合作你剛剛說是多方的合作多元的合作但是oneweb現在起碼是我們選擇的重點合作的對象那唐峰部長說到今年下半年度這個oneweb提供的服務應該到年底會有770個點那這個預期這個進度如期如實嗎\n\n02:11.397 --> 02:31.658\n我目前所收到訊息並沒有說會有問題所以我們還是朝這個目標在努力就是朝這個目標在努力是不是我希望是不是書面報告給我因為這個關係到未來台灣不管是在戰略上或者是在一個廣泛的服務上甚至他在緊急救災的時候那這個衛星的一個\n\n02:33.880 --> 02:47.851\n確保這個網路訊號能夠正常能夠讓我們所有的訊息都能夠接收得到這個很重要而且接收到的訊息要安全要正常而且要精準對不對然後訊號不能斷嘛\n\n02:51.413 --> 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