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00:00:30,656\n不管是從這個學金前\n\n3\n00:00:32,901 --> 00:00:59,949\n一直到國高中大學甚至還有原民教育然後還有這個首領的教育就是針對這個長者的部分那還包含我們這個學生輔導還有很多的一個校園安全的一些問題其實我們都寫在報告當中在這裡要給教育部一個肯定就是這個部分其實我們都看了那非常的期許教育部將來可以在我們的這個整體的臺灣的教育部分我們能夠達到一定的目標\n\n4\n00:01:01,189 --> 00:01:18,743\n好那我先來看一下第一章我想凱凱案這是我第8次站在這個地方那可能部長跟您回顧一下就是過去到現在我總共質詢了7次針對凱凱案的部分從3月11日媒體報導的凱凱案全國嘩然那也震驚了全台灣\n\n5\n00:01:26,327 --> 00:01:49,652\n這是一個全台灣人的痛一直到3月18日在衛福部的部分我也去質詢了在3月21日當很多人都以為是要針對衛福部的時候其實我們發現教育部也是我們俄福聯盟的主管機關之一所以我也提出了一些質詢那包含林騰角次長他也特別說到如果最重他其實是可以\n\n6\n00:01:50,712 --> 00:02:12,725\n非指這個聯盟的設立好到3月28號我們的這個林次長他也說應該要強化財團法人法的一個管理那另外在4月10號林明裕次長因為在3月29號的時候而服聯盟提出了一個書面報告但這份報告從頭到尾看了之後發現有報告跟沒報告是一樣的\n\n7\n00:02:13,445 --> 00:02:35,072\n他還在預告2024年他們今年的支出會短缺還短缺了九千七百多萬二月份的時候他們用九千八百萬去買了臺中的不動產然後這份報告裡面就說他缺錢了好那當時的次長呢看到我們這份報告的時候他也說他看不出來F聯盟他有檢討的決心\n\n8\n00:02:37,054 --> 00:02:48,587\n4月18日我再次的質詢這是劉司長他說基本上他們的所有的包含大眾的一個捐款應該要用於處理以及照顧\n\n9\n00:02:50,188 --> 00:02:52,631\n而服聯盟應該要有的這個業務範圍之內到了5月2號我質詢了潘部長那5月13號潘部長有說不動產的購置來自捐款的餘額那這個餘額的部分\n\n10\n00:03:08,024 --> 00:03:19,926\n我今天就針對5月13日的這個質詢我來提出我個人的一些疑問也想請教一下我們的部長的部分好我們看到往下一張\n\n11\n00:03:23,105 --> 00:03:42,439\n當兒福聯盟給教育部的一個報告也就是在109年的報告是在看他們108年的所有的支出的這個現金的流量表的部分其實已經看到他們用的節約款項當中的3.7億購置完成但是他只提列了2.24億\n\n12\n00:03:44,460 --> 00:04:08,737\n他另外的1.55億他放在109年當中那我想這個部分其實有一些些很大的疑慮我不曉得教育部為什麼沒有看出來我不是學會計出身但是我跟我的辦公室討論之後發現他們有兩個目的第一個目的是他要讓他的業務支出達到所謂的\n\n13\n00:04:09,477 --> 00:04:38,428\n所得稅法當中針對非營利財團法人他的章程目的要達到六成他可以免稅所以他把3.7億拆成兩年但是他給教育部的報告當中他說他在108年購置3.7億的不動產就已經3.7億全部完成但為什麼在109年也就是說教育部會在110年的時候才看到他在109年的時候他又\n\n14\n00:04:39,068 --> 00:05:02,355\n提列了一個叫做1.55億那他還可以除了免稅以外達到六成的業務支出他還可以再提列準備金這個是他們的目的在這個部分我其實有非常大的一個質疑而當時在109年蓋章的董事長就叫做林志佳他要不要為這份\n\n15\n00:05:03,675 --> 00:05:09,515\n很讓人匪夷所思的財報做出一個說明在這裡我想請教一下部長\n\n16\n00:05:12,469 --> 00:05:32,941\n我想剛才委員所關心的這個兒福包括許多的一些本來這個單位的一個成立這個基金會成立就是希望能夠關照我們體制內透過民間的一個捐贈然後整個社區的社會的一個支援能夠關照我們這個兒童更多的一些\n\n17\n00:05:34,242 --> 00:05:49,392\n但顯然他們在財務金流的部分其實是不清楚的甚至是他是為了作帳而作帳要達到60%的業務支出才能夠得到所謂的免稅的一個條件在這個部分我非常的質疑因為2.24億再加上109年列出來的1.55億兩個加起來剛剛好就是3.7億多\n\n18\n00:05:56,624 --> 00:06:20,121\n所以他已經把3.7億多分成兩年去墊高他達到六成的業務支出這個部分就財團法人法其實這個財報是非常有問題我是一個不是學經濟不是學財務不是學會計出身的我都已經看到這個問題為什麼我們的教育部看不到呢這個跟委員報告是不是能夠請這個理事長來補充說明好\n\n19\n00:06:24,423 --> 00:06:38,127\n報告委員,我們的財團法人的財務報表都是經過專業的會計師事務所查核而蒙自己本身也聘請了專業的會計師來做簽證所以只要他們說他們專業你們就給過是這樣嗎?\n\n20\n00:06:45,598 --> 00:07:12,143\n這個是會計專業我們本身是做行政面還有依照財團法人法相關的規定在財團法人法當中就包含這一部分所以我們是不是要更嚴格的來監督他們所提供的財報這個事後因為今天時間有限這個事後麻煩給我們一個說法因為我不想要再一直質詢凱凱案的部分我們希望教育部成為他的財團法人法當中的主管機關\n\n21\n00:07:13,263 --> 00:07:28,122\n沒有針對他們的高層董事的部分做出懲處也就算了開開案成了嗎不可以成這是對全民的一個交代不是只有給我們辦公室一個交代我希望教育部印起來可以嗎\n\n22\n00:07:29,502 --> 00:07:56,758\n好那今天時間的關係第二個部分我想剛剛其實有很多位委員特別有提到所謂的現在108課綱的一些問題喔那我想我是第一個在108課綱當中提到學習歷程檔案是不是可以在將來他們升學的比例上的調整這個比例是不是可以往下降讓很多的學生跟很多的學生家長們可以稍微喘口氣喔我們來看一下這個報告的部分喔\n\n23\n00:07:59,419 --> 00:08:08,907\n學習歷程檔案我們發現了很多學生他們在學習歷程檔案的製作上面有15.6%他會去有問題請教班級導師9.1%他會請教科任老師3.5%會請教輔導老師而整個整體他們因為108課綱當中的學習歷程檔案\n\n24\n00:08:23,918 --> 00:08:45,297\n會去求助於校方的只占了28.2%其他71.8%的孩子在不知道怎麼寫學習歷程檔案的時候包含補習班也是他們要求助的管道我想這針對所謂的我們利益良好的學習歷程檔案來講\n\n25\n00:09:04,975 --> 00:09:23,853\n他們心目當中他們將來進了大學將來可能大學畢業之後他們想要的一個志向這個比任何事情都還要來得更重要因為我們發現有很多的孩子就算他從高一上下學期每一個學期都在寫學期歷程檔案的時候其實到了高三他們會發現他們還是很焦慮\n\n26\n00:09:26,536 --> 00:09:47,269\n因為我們很多的學系跟他想要的學習歷程檔案當中他將來對於職業或將來對於他的興趣其實他是會有一些背離的一個狀況這個部分我們是不是可以在比例上來做調整我不是說不要學習歷程檔案而是在比例上我們來做調整可以嗎我想謝謝委員的一個指正我們學習歷程檔案基本上就是一個\n\n27\n00:10:26,844 --> 00:10:46,574\n之前就有很多的教授他們也說60%的教授說我不知道這個學習歷程檔案到底是這個學生寫的還是學生家長寫的還是他是外面補習班寫的我不認識這個孩子啊我只光看文字的部分來決定這百分之二三十他臨門一腳進他想要學習的一個科系這是有問題的喔\n\n28\n00:10:50,996 --> 00:10:51,136\n我們會來努力\n\n29\n00:11:06,224 --> 00:11:32,622\n好那最後一點時間齁我們來看一下就是我們的公立幼兒園那麼在今年也就是上個禮拜其實5月除了是報稅以外那當然也有很多的士林的孩子的家長們他們要開始抽公立的幼兒園但是他們就說了明明就是少子化但是公立的我永遠都抽不到怎麼這麼難抽我到底該怎麼辦\n\n30\n00:11:36,044 --> 00:11:36,064\n拜訪議員\n\n31\n00:11:55,785 --> 00:12:04,377\n稍後回想當有小學閒置的教室也就是說連小學都抽不滿連小學都招不滿了怎麼可能會期待還有幼兒園要來這邊抽公立的幼兒園呢我想這是\n\n32\n00:12:13,750 --> 00:12:41,310\n對的政策放在不對的地方這是資源上分配的一個不夠不夠妥善所以這個部分是不是我們的教育部這個地方可能也要在所謂的公立幼兒園跟準公幼的部分現在很多人一窩蜂的想要往準公幼去但是問題是公立幼兒園還是有人有需要但問題是還是進不去這個部分我們是不是也要往這個部分要來再好好的來想一想\n\n33\n00:12:43,586 --> 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那我先來看一下第一章我想凱凱案這是我第8次站在這個地方那可能部長跟您回顧一下就是過去到現在我總共質詢了7次針對凱凱案的部分從3月11日媒體報導的凱凱案全國嘩然那也震驚了全台灣\n86327\t109652\t這是一個全台灣人的痛一直到3月18日在衛福部的部分我也去質詢了在3月21日當很多人都以為是要針對衛福部的時候其實我們發現教育部也是我們俄福聯盟的主管機關之一所以我也提出了一些質詢那包含林騰角次長他也特別說到如果最重他其實是可以\n110712\t132725\t非指這個聯盟的設立好到3月28號我們的這個林次長他也說應該要強化財團法人法的一個管理那另外在4月10號林明裕次長因為在3月29號的時候而服聯盟提出了一個書面報告但這份報告從頭到尾看了之後發現有報告跟沒報告是一樣的\n133445\t155072\t他還在預告2024年他們今年的支出會短缺還短缺了九千七百多萬二月份的時候他們用九千八百萬去買了臺中的不動產然後這份報告裡面就說他缺錢了好那當時的次長呢看到我們這份報告的時候他也說他看不出來F聯盟他有檢討的決心\n157054\t168587\t4月18日我再次的質詢這是劉司長他說基本上他們的所有的包含大眾的一個捐款應該要用於處理以及照顧\n170188\t172631\t而服聯盟應該要有的這個業務範圍之內到了5月2號我質詢了潘部長那5月13號潘部長有說不動產的購置來自捐款的餘額那這個餘額的部分\n188024\t199926\t我今天就針對5月13日的這個質詢我來提出我個人的一些疑問也想請教一下我們的部長的部分好 我們看到往下一張\n203105\t222439\t當兒福聯盟給教育部的一個報告也就是在109年的報告是在看他們108年的所有的支出的這個現金的流量表的部分其實已經看到他們用的節約款項當中的3.7億購置完成但是他只提列了2.24億\n224460\t248737\t他另外的1.55億他放在109年當中那我想這個部分其實有一些些很大的疑慮我不曉得教育部為什麼沒有看出來我不是學會計出身但是我跟我的辦公室討論之後發現他們有兩個目的第一個目的是他要讓他的業務支出達到所謂的\n249477\t278428\t所得稅法當中針對非營利財團法人他的章程目的要達到六成他可以免稅所以他把3.7億拆成兩年但是他給教育部的報告當中他說他在108年購置3.7億的不動產就已經3.7億全部完成但為什麼在109年也就是說教育部會在110年的時候才看到他在109年的時候他又\n279068\t302355\t提列了一個叫做1.55億那他還可以除了免稅以外達到六成的業務支出他還可以再提列準備金這個是他們的目的在這個部分我其實有非常大的一個質疑而當時在109年蓋章的董事長就叫做林志佳他要不要為這份\n303675\t309515\t很讓人匪夷所思的財報做出一個說明在這裡我想請教一下部長\n312469\t332941\t我想剛才委員所關心的這個兒福包括許多的一些本來這個單位的一個成立這個基金會成立就是希望能夠關照我們體制內透過民間的一個捐贈然後整個社區的社會的一個支援能夠關照我們這個兒童更多的一些\n334242\t349392\t但顯然他們在財務金流的部分其實是不清楚的甚至是他是為了作帳而作帳要達到60%的業務支出才能夠得到所謂的免稅的一個條件在這個部分我非常的質疑因為2.24億再加上109年列出來的1.55億兩個加起來剛剛好就是3.7億多\n356624\t380121\t所以他已經把3.7億多分成兩年去墊高他達到六成的業務支出這個部分就財團法人法其實這個財報是非常有問題我是一個不是學經濟不是學財務不是學會計出身的我都已經看到這個問題為什麼我們的教育部看不到呢這個跟委員報告是不是能夠請這個理事長來補充說明好\n384423\t398127\t報告委員,我們的財團法人的財務報表都是經過專業的會計師事務所查核而蒙自己本身也聘請了專業的會計師來做簽證所以只要他們說他們專業你們就給過是這樣嗎?\n405598\t432143\t這個是會計專業我們本身是做行政面還有依照財團法人法相關的規定在財團法人法當中就包含這一部分所以我們是不是要更嚴格的來監督他們所提供的財報這個事後因為今天時間有限這個事後麻煩給我們一個說法因為我不想要再一直質詢凱凱案的部分我們希望教育部成為他的財團法人法當中的主管機關\n433263\t448122\t沒有針對他們的高層董事的部分做出懲處也就算了 開開案成了嗎 不可以成這是對全民的一個交代 不是只有給我們辦公室一個交代 我希望教育部印起來 可以嗎\n449502\t476758\t好那今天時間的關係第二個部分我想剛剛其實有很多位委員特別有提到所謂的現在108課綱的一些問題喔那我想我是第一個在108課綱當中提到學習歷程檔案是不是可以在將來他們升學的比例上的調整這個比例是不是可以往下降讓很多的學生跟很多的學生家長們可以稍微喘口氣喔我們來看一下這個報告的部分喔\n479419\t488907\t學習歷程檔案我們發現了很多學生他們在學習歷程檔案的製作上面有15.6%他會去有問題請教班級導師9.1%他會請教科任老師3.5%會請教輔導老師而整個整體他們因為108課綱當中的學習歷程檔案\n503918\t525297\t會去求助於校方的只占了28.2%其他71.8%的孩子在不知道怎麼寫學習歷程檔案的時候包含補習班也是他們要求助的管道我想這針對所謂的我們利益良好的學習歷程檔案來講\n526698\t544855\t﹏﹏\n544975\t563853\t他們心目當中他們將來進了大學將來可能大學畢業之後他們想要的一個志向這個比任何事情都還要來得更重要因為我們發現有很多的孩子就算他從高一上下學期每一個學期都在寫學期歷程檔案的時候其實到了高三他們會發現他們還是很焦慮\n566536\t587269\t因為我們很多的學系跟他想要的學習歷程檔案當中他將來對於職業或將來對於他的興趣其實他是會有一些背離的一個狀況這個部分我們是不是可以在比例上來做調整我不是說不要學習歷程檔案而是在比例上我們來做調整可以嗎我想謝謝委員的一個指正我們學習歷程檔案基本上就是一個\n596664\t626664\t﹗\n626844\t646574\t之前就有很多的教授他們也說60%的教授說我不知道這個學習歷程檔案到底是這個學生寫的還是學生家長寫的還是他是外面補習班寫的我不認識這個孩子啊我只光看文字的部分來決定這百分之二三十他臨門一腳進他想要學習的一個科系這是有問題的喔\n650996\t651136\t我們會來努力\n666224\t692622\t好那最後一點時間齁我們來看一下就是我們的公立幼兒園那麼在今年也就是上個禮拜其實5月除了是報稅以外那當然也有很多的士林的孩子的家長們他們要開始抽公立的幼兒園但是他們就說了明明就是少子化但是公立的我永遠都抽不到怎麼這麼難抽我到底該怎麼辦\n696044\t696064\t拜訪議員\n715785\t724377\t稍後回想當有小學閒置的教室也就是說連小學都抽不滿連小學都招不滿了怎麼可能會期待還有幼兒園要來這邊抽公立的幼兒園呢我想這是\n733750\t761310\t對的政策放在不對的地方這是資源上分配的一個不夠不夠妥善所以這個部分是不是我們的教育部這個地方可能也要在所謂的公立幼兒園跟準公幼的部分現在很多人一窩蜂的想要往準公幼去但是問題是公立幼兒園還是有人有需要但問題是還是進不去這個部分我們是不是也要往這個部分要來再好好的來想一想\n763586\t776798\t議員的一個提醒我想我們會來積極來瞭解第一線上的一些這些問題來謀求改善還有另外就是學前的這個身障孩子他們的一個學就是學習的權益的一個問題然後我想現在的這個巡迴輔導師當中一個人要負擔24個孩子\n783644\t783844\t謝謝主席\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請部長來我們請部長部長辛苦了上個禮拜五其實我們就已經拿到教育部給我們的這個報告了那裡頭我大概也看了一下其實我們涵蓋的這個討論的部分其實非常非常的廣\n不管是從這個學金前\n一直到國高中大學甚至還有原民教育然後還有這個首領的教育就是針對這個長者的部分那還包含我們這個學生輔導還有很多的一個校園安全的一些問題其實我們都寫在報告當中在這裡要給教育部一個肯定就是這個部分其實我們都看了那非常的期許教育部將來可以在我們的這個整體的臺灣的教育部分我們能夠達到一定的目標\n好 那我先來看一下第一章我想凱凱案這是我第8次站在這個地方那可能部長跟您回顧一下就是過去到現在我總共質詢了7次針對凱凱案的部分從3月11日媒體報導的凱凱案全國嘩然那也震驚了全台灣\n這是一個全台灣人的痛一直到3月18日在衛福部的部分我也去質詢了在3月21日當很多人都以為是要針對衛福部的時候其實我們發現教育部也是我們俄福聯盟的主管機關之一所以我也提出了一些質詢那包含林騰角次長他也特別說到如果最重他其實是可以\n非指這個聯盟的設立好到3月28號我們的這個林次長他也說應該要強化財團法人法的一個管理那另外在4月10號林明裕次長因為在3月29號的時候而服聯盟提出了一個書面報告但這份報告從頭到尾看了之後發現有報告跟沒報告是一樣的\n他還在預告2024年他們今年的支出會短缺還短缺了九千七百多萬二月份的時候他們用九千八百萬去買了臺中的不動產然後這份報告裡面就說他缺錢了好那當時的次長呢看到我們這份報告的時候他也說他看不出來F聯盟他有檢討的決心\n4月18日我再次的質詢這是劉司長他說基本上他們的所有的包含大眾的一個捐款應該要用於處理以及照顧\n而服聯盟應該要有的這個業務範圍之內到了5月2號我質詢了潘部長那5月13號潘部長有說不動產的購置來自捐款的餘額那這個餘額的部分\n我今天就針對5月13日的這個質詢我來提出我個人的一些疑問也想請教一下我們的部長的部分好 我們看到往下一張\n當兒福聯盟給教育部的一個報告也就是在109年的報告是在看他們108年的所有的支出的這個現金的流量表的部分其實已經看到他們用的節約款項當中的3.7億購置完成但是他只提列了2.24億\n他另外的1.55億他放在109年當中那我想這個部分其實有一些些很大的疑慮我不曉得教育部為什麼沒有看出來我不是學會計出身但是我跟我的辦公室討論之後發現他們有兩個目的第一個目的是他要讓他的業務支出達到所謂的\n所得稅法當中針對非營利財團法人他的章程目的要達到六成他可以免稅所以他把3.7億拆成兩年但是他給教育部的報告當中他說他在108年購置3.7億的不動產就已經3.7億全部完成但為什麼在109年也就是說教育部會在110年的時候才看到他在109年的時候他又\n提列了一個叫做1.55億那他還可以除了免稅以外達到六成的業務支出他還可以再提列準備金這個是他們的目的在這個部分我其實有非常大的一個質疑而當時在109年蓋章的董事長就叫做林志佳他要不要為這份\n很讓人匪夷所思的財報做出一個說明在這裡我想請教一下部長\n我想剛才委員所關心的這個兒福包括許多的一些本來這個單位的一個成立這個基金會成立就是希望能夠關照我們體制內透過民間的一個捐贈然後整個社區的社會的一個支援能夠關照我們這個兒童更多的一些\n但顯然他們在財務金流的部分其實是不清楚的甚至是他是為了作帳而作帳要達到60%的業務支出才能夠得到所謂的免稅的一個條件在這個部分我非常的質疑因為2.24億再加上109年列出來的1.55億兩個加起來剛剛好就是3.7億多\n所以他已經把3.7億多分成兩年去墊高他達到六成的業務支出這個部分就財團法人法其實這個財報是非常有問題我是一個不是學經濟不是學財務不是學會計出身的我都已經看到這個問題為什麼我們的教育部看不到呢這個跟委員報告是不是能夠請這個理事長來補充說明好\n報告委員,我們的財團法人的財務報表都是經過專業的會計師事務所查核而蒙自己本身也聘請了專業的會計師來做簽證所以只要他們說他們專業你們就給過是這樣嗎?\n這個是會計專業我們本身是做行政面還有依照財團法人法相關的規定在財團法人法當中就包含這一部分所以我們是不是要更嚴格的來監督他們所提供的財報這個事後因為今天時間有限這個事後麻煩給我們一個說法因為我不想要再一直質詢凱凱案的部分我們希望教育部成為他的財團法人法當中的主管機關\n沒有針對他們的高層董事的部分做出懲處也就算了 開開案成了嗎 不可以成這是對全民的一個交代 不是只有給我們辦公室一個交代 我希望教育部印起來 可以嗎\n好那今天時間的關係第二個部分我想剛剛其實有很多位委員特別有提到所謂的現在108課綱的一些問題喔那我想我是第一個在108課綱當中提到學習歷程檔案是不是可以在將來他們升學的比例上的調整這個比例是不是可以往下降讓很多的學生跟很多的學生家長們可以稍微喘口氣喔我們來看一下這個報告的部分喔\n學習歷程檔案我們發現了很多學生他們在學習歷程檔案的製作上面有15.6%他會去有問題請教班級導師9.1%他會請教科任老師3.5%會請教輔導老師而整個整體他們因為108課綱當中的學習歷程檔案\n會去求助於校方的只占了28.2%其他71.8%的孩子在不知道怎麼寫學習歷程檔案的時候包含補習班也是他們要求助的管道我想這針對所謂的我們利益良好的學習歷程檔案來講\n﹏﹏\n他們心目當中他們將來進了大學將來可能大學畢業之後他們想要的一個志向這個比任何事情都還要來得更重要因為我們發現有很多的孩子就算他從高一上下學期每一個學期都在寫學期歷程檔案的時候其實到了高三他們會發現他們還是很焦慮\n因為我們很多的學系跟他想要的學習歷程檔案當中他將來對於職業或將來對於他的興趣其實他是會有一些背離的一個狀況這個部分我們是不是可以在比例上來做調整我不是說不要學習歷程檔案而是在比例上我們來做調整可以嗎我想謝謝委員的一個指正我們學習歷程檔案基本上就是一個\n﹗\n之前就有很多的教授他們也說60%的教授說我不知道這個學習歷程檔案到底是這個學生寫的還是學生家長寫的還是他是外面補習班寫的我不認識這個孩子啊我只光看文字的部分來決定這百分之二三十他臨門一腳進他想要學習的一個科系這是有問題的喔\n我們會來努力\n好那最後一點時間齁我們來看一下就是我們的公立幼兒園那麼在今年也就是上個禮拜其實5月除了是報稅以外那當然也有很多的士林的孩子的家長們他們要開始抽公立的幼兒園但是他們就說了明明就是少子化但是公立的我永遠都抽不到怎麼這麼難抽我到底該怎麼辦\n拜訪議員\n稍後回想當有小學閒置的教室也就是說連小學都抽不滿連小學都招不滿了怎麼可能會期待還有幼兒園要來這邊抽公立的幼兒園呢我想這是\n對的政策放在不對的地方這是資源上分配的一個不夠不夠妥善所以這個部分是不是我們的教育部這個地方可能也要在所謂的公立幼兒園跟準公幼的部分現在很多人一窩蜂的想要往準公幼去但是問題是公立幼兒園還是有人有需要但問題是還是進不去這個部分我們是不是也要往這個部分要來再好好的來想一想\n議員的一個提醒我想我們會來積極來瞭解第一線上的一些這些問題來謀求改善還有另外就是學前的這個身障孩子他們的一個學就是學習的權益的一個問題然後我想現在的這個巡迴輔導師當中一個人要負擔24個孩子\n謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.049 --> 00:10.972\n謝謝主席有請部長來我們請部長部長辛苦了上個禮拜五其實我們就已經拿到教育部給我們的這個報告了那裡頭我大概也看了一下其實我們涵蓋的這個討論的部分其實非常非常的廣\n\n00:30.253 --> 00:30.656\n不管是從這個學金前\n\n00:32.901 --> 00:59.949\n一直到國高中大學甚至還有原民教育然後還有這個首領的教育就是針對這個長者的部分那還包含我們這個學生輔導還有很多的一個校園安全的一些問題其實我們都寫在報告當中在這裡要給教育部一個肯定就是這個部分其實我們都看了那非常的期許教育部將來可以在我們的這個整體的臺灣的教育部分我們能夠達到一定的目標\n\n01:01.189 --> 01:18.743\n好那我先來看一下第一章我想凱凱案這是我第8次站在這個地方那可能部長跟您回顧一下就是過去到現在我總共質詢了7次針對凱凱案的部分從3月11日媒體報導的凱凱案全國嘩然那也震驚了全台灣\n\n01:26.327 --> 01:49.652\n這是一個全台灣人的痛一直到3月18日在衛福部的部分我也去質詢了在3月21日當很多人都以為是要針對衛福部的時候其實我們發現教育部也是我們俄福聯盟的主管機關之一所以我也提出了一些質詢那包含林騰角次長他也特別說到如果最重他其實是可以\n\n01:50.712 --> 02:12.725\n非指這個聯盟的設立好到3月28號我們的這個林次長他也說應該要強化財團法人法的一個管理那另外在4月10號林明裕次長因為在3月29號的時候而服聯盟提出了一個書面報告但這份報告從頭到尾看了之後發現有報告跟沒報告是一樣的\n\n02:13.445 --> 02:35.072\n他還在預告2024年他們今年的支出會短缺還短缺了九千七百多萬二月份的時候他們用九千八百萬去買了臺中的不動產然後這份報告裡面就說他缺錢了好那當時的次長呢看到我們這份報告的時候他也說他看不出來F聯盟他有檢討的決心\n\n02:37.054 --> 02:48.587\n4月18日我再次的質詢這是劉司長他說基本上他們的所有的包含大眾的一個捐款應該要用於處理以及照顧\n\n02:50.188 --> 02:52.631\n而服聯盟應該要有的這個業務範圍之內到了5月2號我質詢了潘部長那5月13號潘部長有說不動產的購置來自捐款的餘額那這個餘額的部分\n\n03:08.024 --> 03:19.926\n我今天就針對5月13日的這個質詢我來提出我個人的一些疑問也想請教一下我們的部長的部分好我們看到往下一張\n\n03:23.105 --> 03:42.439\n當兒福聯盟給教育部的一個報告也就是在109年的報告是在看他們108年的所有的支出的這個現金的流量表的部分其實已經看到他們用的節約款項當中的3.7億購置完成但是他只提列了2.24億\n\n03:44.460 --> 04:08.737\n他另外的1.55億他放在109年當中那我想這個部分其實有一些些很大的疑慮我不曉得教育部為什麼沒有看出來我不是學會計出身但是我跟我的辦公室討論之後發現他們有兩個目的第一個目的是他要讓他的業務支出達到所謂的\n\n04:09.477 --> 04:38.428\n所得稅法當中針對非營利財團法人他的章程目的要達到六成他可以免稅所以他把3.7億拆成兩年但是他給教育部的報告當中他說他在108年購置3.7億的不動產就已經3.7億全部完成但為什麼在109年也就是說教育部會在110年的時候才看到他在109年的時候他又\n\n04:39.068 --> 05:02.355\n提列了一個叫做1.55億那他還可以除了免稅以外達到六成的業務支出他還可以再提列準備金這個是他們的目的在這個部分我其實有非常大的一個質疑而當時在109年蓋章的董事長就叫做林志佳他要不要為這份\n\n05:03.675 --> 05:09.515\n很讓人匪夷所思的財報做出一個說明在這裡我想請教一下部長\n\n05:12.469 --> 05:32.941\n我想剛才委員所關心的這個兒福包括許多的一些本來這個單位的一個成立這個基金會成立就是希望能夠關照我們體制內透過民間的一個捐贈然後整個社區的社會的一個支援能夠關照我們這個兒童更多的一些\n\n05:34.242 --> 05:49.392\n但顯然他們在財務金流的部分其實是不清楚的甚至是他是為了作帳而作帳要達到60%的業務支出才能夠得到所謂的免稅的一個條件在這個部分我非常的質疑因為2.24億再加上109年列出來的1.55億兩個加起來剛剛好就是3.7億多\n\n05:56.624 --> 06:20.121\n所以他已經把3.7億多分成兩年去墊高他達到六成的業務支出這個部分就財團法人法其實這個財報是非常有問題我是一個不是學經濟不是學財務不是學會計出身的我都已經看到這個問題為什麼我們的教育部看不到呢這個跟委員報告是不是能夠請這個理事長來補充說明好\n\n06:24.423 --> 06:38.127\n報告委員,我們的財團法人的財務報表都是經過專業的會計師事務所查核而蒙自己本身也聘請了專業的會計師來做簽證所以只要他們說他們專業你們就給過是這樣嗎?\n\n06:45.598 --> 07:12.143\n這個是會計專業我們本身是做行政面還有依照財團法人法相關的規定在財團法人法當中就包含這一部分所以我們是不是要更嚴格的來監督他們所提供的財報這個事後因為今天時間有限這個事後麻煩給我們一個說法因為我不想要再一直質詢凱凱案的部分我們希望教育部成為他的財團法人法當中的主管機關\n\n07:13.263 --> 07:28.122\n沒有針對他們的高層董事的部分做出懲處也就算了開開案成了嗎不可以成這是對全民的一個交代不是只有給我們辦公室一個交代我希望教育部印起來可以嗎\n\n07:29.502 --> 07:56.758\n好那今天時間的關係第二個部分我想剛剛其實有很多位委員特別有提到所謂的現在108課綱的一些問題喔那我想我是第一個在108課綱當中提到學習歷程檔案是不是可以在將來他們升學的比例上的調整這個比例是不是可以往下降讓很多的學生跟很多的學生家長們可以稍微喘口氣喔我們來看一下這個報告的部分喔\n\n07:59.419 --> 08:08.907\n學習歷程檔案我們發現了很多學生他們在學習歷程檔案的製作上面有15.6%他會去有問題請教班級導師9.1%他會請教科任老師3.5%會請教輔導老師而整個整體他們因為108課綱當中的學習歷程檔案\n\n08:23.918 --> 08:45.297\n會去求助於校方的只占了28.2%其他71.8%的孩子在不知道怎麼寫學習歷程檔案的時候包含補習班也是他們要求助的管道我想這針對所謂的我們利益良好的學習歷程檔案來講\n\n09:04.975 --> 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