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, t h e a b u s e o f p o w e r a n d v i o l e n c e , t h e a b u s e o f p o w e r a n d v i o l e n c e , t h e a b u s e o f p o w e r a n d v i o l e n c e , t h e a b u s e o f p o w e r a n d v i o l e n c e , t h e a b u s e o f p o w e r a n d v i o l e n c e , t h e a b u s e o f p o w e r a n d v i o l e n c e ,\n\n5\n00:01:39,770 --> 00:01:43,812\n確 實 在 吳 宗 憲 召 委 的 主 持 下 企 圖 要 打 包 快 速 協 商 沒 有 任 何 一 個 條 文 進 入 實 質 的 討 論 甚 至 在 召 委 主 持 的 黨 團 協 商 上 6 8 個 條 文 只 進 行 了 四 個 條 文 那 因 為 在 野 黨 的 黨 鞭 離 席 因 此 主 席 也 宣 告 了 那 就 全 案 包 裹 交 付 朝 野 協 商 我 在 此 用 了 四 分 鐘 的 時 間 因 為 事 實 不 容 抹 滅\n\n6\n00:02:07,822 --> 00:02:35,825\n事 實 不 容 扭 曲 真 相 就 是 如 此 我 再 一 次 做 補 充 好 徐 司 長 好 您 的 經 歷 非 常 的 有 趣 我 覺 得 這 是 非 常 豐 富 的 職 場 訓 練 您 過 去 擔 任 國 小 教 師 嗎 是 那 您 認 為 在 您 國 小 教 師 的 整 個 教 育 的 歷 程 上 到 您 後 來 來 擔 任 檢 查 體 系 現 在 服 務 於 我 們 的 公 職 教 育 對 於 我 們 所 有 的 正 向 意 義 在 哪 裡\n\n7\n00:02:37,059 --> 00:02:38,781\n您 認 為 人 性 本 善 或 是 人 性 本 惡 就 您 的 教 育 理 念 ?\n\n8\n00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:26,719\n人 性 沒 有 辦 法 用 三 二 直 接 劃 定 很 好 這 是 一 個 好 的 回 答 我 也 認 為 每 一 個 人 有 不 同 的 養 成 有 不 同 的 社 會 所 給 予 的 能 量 但 是 教 育 就 是 一 個 非 常 重 要 的 媒 介 那 我 今 天 要 破 題 的 就 是 我 曾 經 跟 蔡 新 祥 部 長 所 質 詢 過 的 那 因 為 是 新 任 的 部 長 次 長 我 有 機 會 再 一 次 來 表 達 我 的 關 切 就 是 吳 思 瑤 本 是 我\n\n9\n00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:51,159\n認 為 每 個 人 都 有 他 非 常 良 善 的 本 質 的 地 方 。 我 有 靠 透 過 教 育 跟 教 化 可 以 更 加 的 指 引 跟 導 引 出 他 的 正 能 量 。 所 以 我 要 就 教 于 您 啊 監 獄 的 友 善 犬 貓 的 計 畫 到 底 有 沒 有 可 能 從 蔡 清 祥 部 長 的 S a y Y e s 來 下 一 頁 來 讓 新 任 的 證 明 圈 部 長 也 能 夠 持 續 來 推 動 下 一 頁 。\n\n10\n00:03:55,305 --> 00:03:55,665\n委 員 魯 明 哲 等 1 6 人 擬 具\n\n11\n00:04:25,465 --> 00:04:43,000\n所 以 國 際 的 案 例 我 不 再 贅 述 了 哈 從 歐 洲 到 美 洲 只 要 在 監 獄 裡 頭 有 友 善 的 犬 貓 都 能 夠 讓 凶 神 惡 煞 一 夕 之 間 成 為 暖 男 去 勾 出 他 人 性 人 性 最 柔 軟 的 那 個 部 分 而 且 養 成 獸 型 人 的 責 任 感 下 一 頁 一 樣 美 國 的 這 個 華 盛 頓 女 子 監 獄 的\n\n12\n00:04:50,816 --> 00:04:52,417\n委 員 魯 明 哲 等 1 6 人 擬 具 《 中 華 民 國 刑 法 第 三 百 三 十 九 條 之 四 條 文 修 正 草 案 》 案 。\n\n13\n00:05:15,313 --> 00:05:26,068\n那 當 然 美 國 的 這 個 四 爪 監 獄 計 劃 我 也 再 次 提 供 給 您 大 家 可 以 持 續 再 去 做 研 究 好 下 一 頁 台 灣 也 有 這 樣 的 計 劃 喔 好 下 一 頁\n\n14\n00:05:27,119 --> 00:05:47,342\n在 我 們 桃 園 的 太 原 監 獄 曾 經 呢 由 受 刑 人 來 照 顧 在 太 原 監 獄 四 周 的 流 浪 貓 那 藉 由 照 顧 流 浪 貓 收 留 流 浪 貓 到 最 後 全 數 的 送 養 成 功 而 很 多 是 跟 著 受 刑 人 回 家 的 他 們 都 培 養 出 濃 厚 的 感 情 下 一 頁\n\n15\n00:05:48,183 --> 00:06:13,740\n同 樣 的 新 竹 的 監 獄 犬 訓 班 呢 這 是 一 個 非 常 好 的 案 例 從 2 0 0 6 年 到 2 0 2 2 年 他 們 創 下 了 4 7 名 獸 行 人 成 功 訓 練 了 8 4 隻 流 浪 犬 事 後 認 養 率 高 達 百 分 之 百 建 立 起 收 容 人 的 自 我 認 同 自 我 價 值 也 培 育 了 他 們 新 的 職 能 這 是 一 個 好 的 案 例 下 一 頁\n\n16\n00:06:15,003 --> 00:06:39,144\n所 以 上 一 次 我 跟 鍾 嘉 斌 委 員 非 常 的 湊 巧 我 們 在 同 一 天 都 拋 出 同 樣 的 質 詢 很 快 的 我 們 法 務 部 呢 就 直 接 跟 嘉 斌 委 員 的 選 區 評 科 大 開 始 攜 手 合 作 了 監 獄 關 懷 犬 的 訓 練 課 程 那 矯 正 署 也 一 起 來 納 入 了 很 多 可 以 來 做 的 雙 方 應 當 是 簽 了 一 個 M O U\n\n17\n00:06:42,026 --> 00:07:04,181\n那 這 是 一 個 好 的 嘗 試 。 那 台 灣 有 這 樣 子 的 民 間 的 學 校 的 訓 練 也 好 或 是 民 間 的 團 體 包 括 受 益 師 公 會 很 多 的 動 保 團 體 也 好 其 實 我 們 可 以 擴 大 的 串 聯 合 作 的 面 向 更 多 。 所 以 我 不 曉 得 次 長 您 心 認 您 對 於 這 個 屏 東 開 始 起 跑 的 監 獄 關 懷 犬 屏 間 帶 頭 來 做 有 沒 有 掌 握 有 沒 有 持 續 擴 大 推 動 的 計 畫 。\n\n18\n00:07:11,761 --> 00:07:20,261\n我 剛 接 業 務 那 這 個 部 分 我 個 人 我 是 當 然 樂 觀 其 成 但 是 部 裡 面 目 前 的 規 劃 可 能\n\n19\n00:07:22,605 --> 00:07:37,938\n好 , 沒 關 係 , 來 。 好 , 矯 正 署 今 天 有 來 嗎 ? 沒 關 係 , 好 , 下 一 頁 。 我 跟 新 任 的 次 長 做 說 明 啦 。 今 天 再 一 次 再 把 這 個 i s s u e 再 針 對 新 任 的 次 長 , 當 然 我 原 本 以 為 部 長 會 來 , 沒 有 關 係 。 一 個 已 經 上 路 的 計 畫 , 政 策 就 要 延 續 , 而 且 它 是 對 的 政 策 跟 對 的 方 向 。\n\n20\n00:07:45,564 --> 00:08:10,320\n但 是 我 在 這 裡 提 點 出 來 幾 個 要 項 可 能 讓 你 們 回 去 進 一 步 精 進 我 很 怕 你 們 呢 有 些 壓 力 有 些 障 礙 在 就 不 敢 再 推 下 去 了 我 提 供 一 些 我 具 體 的 建 議 譬 如 說 很 多 監 獄 友 善 犬 貓 大 家 都 知 道 他 是 正 面 他 不 敢 推 是 因 為 現 在 監 獄 本 身 就 有 超 收 的 問 題 所 以 他 的 環 境 空 間 難 以 改 善 其 實 這 是 可 以 克 服 的\n\n21\n00:08:11,221 --> 00:08:11,241\n議 員 吳 思 瑤 議 員\n\n22\n00:08:29,375 --> 00:08:34,318\n以 及 經 費 編 列 不 足 的 部 分 我 提 供 的 建 議 是 農 委 會 已 經 成 立 了 成 為 農 業 部 他 也 成 立 了 專 門 的 動 物 保 護 司 所 以 未 來 他 能 夠 像 我 過 去 在 推 動 校 園 友 善 犬 貓 的 經 驗 一 樣 農 業 部 有 相 關 編 列 的 預 算 因 為 他 是 協 助 送 養 協 助 訓 練 這 都 有 相 關 的 包 括 飼 料\n\n23\n00:08:55,891 --> 00:09:23,593\n還 有 醫 療 費 用 的 補 貼 可 以 擴 大 跟 農 業 部 來 合 作 那 至 於 國 力 有 限 民 力 無 窮 只 要 我 們 法 務 部 登 高 一 呼 民 間 的 動 保 團 體 獸 醫 師 公 會 大 家 都 願 意 來 協 助 進 入 必 要 提 供 免 費 無 償 的 這 種 醫 療 服 務 甚 至 捐 贈 善 心 的 飼 料 各 類 的 貓 罐 頭 狗 罐 頭 這 都 是 可 行 的\n\n24\n00:09:24,033 --> 00:09:45,579\n所 以 我 針 對 超 收 的 問 題 空 間 的 問 題 經 費 不 足 的 問 題 以 及 機 關 人 力 不 足 的 問 題 我 都 提 出 一 個 具 體 可 行 的 多 元 方 案 希 望 讓 你 們 能 夠 去 從 多 方 面 來 努 力 讓 這 樣 一 個 好 的 政 策 方 向 不 要 因 為 這 麼 多 困 難 這 麼 多 困 境 就 不 敢 大 力 去 推 這 樣 好 嗎 是 我 們 會 仔 細 的 評 估 好\n\n25\n00:09:50,060 --> 00:09:50,240\n謝 謝 主 席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2846\t28699\t謝謝主席有請徐市長麻煩市長委員好市長早安早大家早安那其實也借一點點時間因為剛剛有聆聽到主席的補充意見本席也是司法法制的委員在審查所謂的立法院職權刑事法目前確實只有藍白的版本被直接交付可以在院會表決\n29939\t43386\t現在有超過十多萬的公民朋友站上街頭他們反對的就是這樣一個擴權的黑箱的沒有程序正義的法案而事實上我以司法法治委員會的參與者見證人我想中嘉賓委員所說是事實沒有錯誤\n50189\t54331\t在我們這一個會場所討論的國民黨版民眾黨版的立法院職權行使法確實在吳宗憲委員的主持之下呢是企圖直接將條文保留沒有經過實質條文的審查這就是民主進步黨在場一直強調要求實質進入每一個條文的討論這樣才是民主的審議也因此民進黨為了阻撓這種\n79500\t98289\t包括 the abuse of power and violence, the abuse of power and violence, the abuse of power and violence, the abuse of power and violence, the abuse of power and violence, the abuse of power and violence, the abuse of power and violence,\n99770\t103812\t確實在吳宗憲召委的主持下企圖要打包快速協商沒有任何一個條文進入實質的討論甚至在召委主持的黨團協商上68個條文只進行了四個條文那因為在野黨的黨鞭離席因此主席也宣告了那就全案包裹交付朝野協商我在此用了四分鐘的時間因為事實不容抹滅\n127822\t155825\t事實不容扭曲真相就是如此我再一次做補充好徐司長好您的經歷非常的有趣我覺得這是非常豐富的職場訓練您過去擔任國小教師嗎是那您認為在您國小教師的整個教育的歷程上到您後來來擔任檢查體系現在服務於我們的公職教育對於我們所有的正向意義在哪裡\n157059\t158781\t您認為人性本善或是人性本惡就您的教育理念?\n180680\t206719\t人性沒有辦法用三二直接劃定很好這是一個好的回答我也認為每一個人有不同的養成有不同的社會所給予的能量但是教育就是一個非常重要的媒介那我今天要破題的就是我曾經跟蔡新祥部長所質詢過的那因為是新任的部長次長我有機會再一次來表達我的關切就是吳思瑤本是我\n208640\t231159\t認為每個人都有他非常良善的本質的地方。我有靠透過教育跟教化可以更加的指引跟導引出他的正能量。所以我要就教于您啊監獄的友善犬貓的計畫到底有沒有可能從蔡清祥部長的Say Yes來下一頁來讓新任的證明圈部長也能夠持續來推動下一頁。\n235305\t235665\t委員魯明哲等16人擬具\n265465\t283000\t所以國際的案例我不再贅述了哈從歐洲到美洲只要在監獄裡頭有友善的犬貓都能夠讓凶神惡煞一夕之間成為暖男去勾出他人性人性最柔軟的那個部分而且養成獸型人的責任感下一頁一樣美國的這個華盛頓女子監獄的\n290816\t292417\t委員魯明哲等16人擬具《中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案》案。\n315313\t326068\t那當然美國的這個四爪監獄計劃我也再次提供給您大家可以持續再去做研究好下一頁台灣也有這樣的計劃喔好下一頁\n327119\t347342\t在我們桃園的太原監獄曾經呢由受刑人來照顧在太原監獄四周的流浪貓那藉由照顧流浪貓收留流浪貓到最後全數的送養成功而很多是跟著受刑人回家的他們都培養出濃厚的感情下一頁\n348183\t373740\t同樣的新竹的監獄犬訓班呢這是一個非常好的案例從2006年到2022年他們創下了47名獸行人成功訓練了84隻流浪犬事後認養率高達百分之百建立起收容人的自我認同自我價值也培育了他們新的職能這是一個好的案例下一頁\n375003\t399144\t所以上一次我跟鍾嘉斌委員非常的湊巧我們在同一天都拋出同樣的質詢很快的我們法務部呢就直接跟嘉斌委員的選區評科大開始攜手合作了監獄關懷犬的訓練課程那矯正署也一起來納入了很多可以來做的雙方應當是簽了一個MOU\n402026\t424181\t那這是一個好的嘗試。那台灣有這樣子的民間的學校的訓練也好或是民間的團體包括受益師公會很多的動保團體也好其實我們可以擴大的串聯合作的面向更多。所以我不曉得次長您心認您對於這個屏東開始起跑的監獄關懷犬屏間帶頭來做有沒有掌握有沒有持續擴大推動的計畫。\n431761\t440261\t我剛接業務那這個部分我個人我是當然樂觀其成但是部裡面目前的規劃可能\n442605\t457938\t好,沒關係,來。好,矯正署今天有來嗎?沒關係,好,下一頁。我跟新任的次長做說明啦。今天再一次再把這個issue再針對新任的次長,當然我原本以為部長會來,沒有關係。一個已經上路的計畫,政策就要延續,而且它是對的政策跟對的方向。\n465564\t490320\t但是我在這裡提點出來幾個要項可能讓你們回去進一步精進我很怕你們呢有些壓力有些障礙在就不敢再推下去了我提供一些我具體的建議譬如說很多監獄友善犬貓大家都知道他是正面他不敢推是因為現在監獄本身就有超收的問題所以他的環境空間難以改善其實這是可以克服的\n491221\t491241\t議員吳思瑤議員\n509375\t514318\t以及經費編列不足的部分我提供的建議是農委會已經成立了成為農業部他也成立了專門的動物保護司所以未來他能夠像我過去在推動校園友善犬貓的經驗一樣農業部有相關編列的預算因為他是協助送養協助訓練這都有相關的包括飼料\n535891\t563593\t還有醫療費用的補貼可以擴大跟農業部來合作那至於國力有限民力無窮只要我們法務部登高一呼民間的動保團體獸醫師公會大家都願意來協助進入必要提供免費無償的這種醫療服務甚至捐贈善心的飼料各類的貓罐頭狗罐頭這都是可行的\n564033\t585579\t所以我針對超收的問題空間的問題經費不足的問題以及機關人力不足的問題我都提出一個具體可行的多元方案希望讓你們能夠去從多方面來努力讓這樣一個好的政策方向不要因為這麼多困難這麼多困境就不敢大力去推這樣好嗎是我們會仔細的評估好\n590060\t590240\t謝謝主席\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請徐市長麻煩市長委員好市長早安早大家早安那其實也借一點點時間因為剛剛有聆聽到主席的補充意見本席也是司法法制的委員在審查所謂的立法院職權刑事法目前確實只有藍白的版本被直接交付可以在院會表決\n現在有超過十多萬的公民朋友站上街頭他們反對的就是這樣一個擴權的黑箱的沒有程序正義的法案而事實上我以司法法治委員會的參與者見證人我想中嘉賓委員所說是事實沒有錯誤\n在我們這一個會場所討論的國民黨版民眾黨版的立法院職權行使法確實在吳宗憲委員的主持之下呢是企圖直接將條文保留沒有經過實質條文的審查這就是民主進步黨在場一直強調要求實質進入每一個條文的討論這樣才是民主的審議也因此民進黨為了阻撓這種\n包括 the abuse of power and violence, the abuse of power and violence, the abuse of power and violence, the abuse of power and violence, the abuse of power and violence, the abuse of power and violence, the abuse of power and violence,\n確實在吳宗憲召委的主持下企圖要打包快速協商沒有任何一個條文進入實質的討論甚至在召委主持的黨團協商上68個條文只進行了四個條文那因為在野黨的黨鞭離席因此主席也宣告了那就全案包裹交付朝野協商我在此用了四分鐘的時間因為事實不容抹滅\n事實不容扭曲真相就是如此我再一次做補充好徐司長好您的經歷非常的有趣我覺得這是非常豐富的職場訓練您過去擔任國小教師嗎是那您認為在您國小教師的整個教育的歷程上到您後來來擔任檢查體系現在服務於我們的公職教育對於我們所有的正向意義在哪裡\n您認為人性本善或是人性本惡就您的教育理念?\n人性沒有辦法用三二直接劃定很好這是一個好的回答我也認為每一個人有不同的養成有不同的社會所給予的能量但是教育就是一個非常重要的媒介那我今天要破題的就是我曾經跟蔡新祥部長所質詢過的那因為是新任的部長次長我有機會再一次來表達我的關切就是吳思瑤本是我\n認為每個人都有他非常良善的本質的地方。我有靠透過教育跟教化可以更加的指引跟導引出他的正能量。所以我要就教于您啊監獄的友善犬貓的計畫到底有沒有可能從蔡清祥部長的Say Yes來下一頁來讓新任的證明圈部長也能夠持續來推動下一頁。\n委員魯明哲等16人擬具\n所以國際的案例我不再贅述了哈從歐洲到美洲只要在監獄裡頭有友善的犬貓都能夠讓凶神惡煞一夕之間成為暖男去勾出他人性人性最柔軟的那個部分而且養成獸型人的責任感下一頁一樣美國的這個華盛頓女子監獄的\n委員魯明哲等16人擬具《中華民國刑法第三百三十九條之四條文修正草案》案。\n那當然美國的這個四爪監獄計劃我也再次提供給您大家可以持續再去做研究好下一頁台灣也有這樣的計劃喔好下一頁\n在我們桃園的太原監獄曾經呢由受刑人來照顧在太原監獄四周的流浪貓那藉由照顧流浪貓收留流浪貓到最後全數的送養成功而很多是跟著受刑人回家的他們都培養出濃厚的感情下一頁\n同樣的新竹的監獄犬訓班呢這是一個非常好的案例從2006年到2022年他們創下了47名獸行人成功訓練了84隻流浪犬事後認養率高達百分之百建立起收容人的自我認同自我價值也培育了他們新的職能這是一個好的案例下一頁\n所以上一次我跟鍾嘉斌委員非常的湊巧我們在同一天都拋出同樣的質詢很快的我們法務部呢就直接跟嘉斌委員的選區評科大開始攜手合作了監獄關懷犬的訓練課程那矯正署也一起來納入了很多可以來做的雙方應當是簽了一個MOU\n那這是一個好的嘗試。那台灣有這樣子的民間的學校的訓練也好或是民間的團體包括受益師公會很多的動保團體也好其實我們可以擴大的串聯合作的面向更多。所以我不曉得次長您心認您對於這個屏東開始起跑的監獄關懷犬屏間帶頭來做有沒有掌握有沒有持續擴大推動的計畫。\n我剛接業務那這個部分我個人我是當然樂觀其成但是部裡面目前的規劃可能\n好,沒關係,來。好,矯正署今天有來嗎?沒關係,好,下一頁。我跟新任的次長做說明啦。今天再一次再把這個issue再針對新任的次長,當然我原本以為部長會來,沒有關係。一個已經上路的計畫,政策就要延續,而且它是對的政策跟對的方向。\n但是我在這裡提點出來幾個要項可能讓你們回去進一步精進我很怕你們呢有些壓力有些障礙在就不敢再推下去了我提供一些我具體的建議譬如說很多監獄友善犬貓大家都知道他是正面他不敢推是因為現在監獄本身就有超收的問題所以他的環境空間難以改善其實這是可以克服的\n議員吳思瑤議員\n以及經費編列不足的部分我提供的建議是農委會已經成立了成為農業部他也成立了專門的動物保護司所以未來他能夠像我過去在推動校園友善犬貓的經驗一樣農業部有相關編列的預算因為他是協助送養協助訓練這都有相關的包括飼料\n還有醫療費用的補貼可以擴大跟農業部來合作那至於國力有限民力無窮只要我們法務部登高一呼民間的動保團體獸醫師公會大家都願意來協助進入必要提供免費無償的這種醫療服務甚至捐贈善心的飼料各類的貓罐頭狗罐頭這都是可行的\n所以我針對超收的問題空間的問題經費不足的問題以及機關人力不足的問題我都提出一個具體可行的多元方案希望讓你們能夠去從多方面來努力讓這樣一個好的政策方向不要因為這麼多困難這麼多困境就不敢大力去推這樣好嗎是我們會仔細的評估好\n謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.846 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c e , t h e a b u s e o f p o w e r a n d v i o l e n c e ,\n\n01:39.770 --> 01:43.812\n確 實 在 吳 宗 憲 召 委 的 主 持 下 企 圖 要 打 包 快 速 協 商 沒 有 任 何 一 個 條 文 進 入 實 質 的 討 論 甚 至 在 召 委 主 持 的 黨 團 協 商 上 6 8 個 條 文 只 進 行 了 四 個 條 文 那 因 為 在 野 黨 的 黨 鞭 離 席 因 此 主 席 也 宣 告 了 那 就 全 案 包 裹 交 付 朝 野 協 商 我 在 此 用 了 四 分 鐘 的 時 間 因 為 事 實 不 容 抹 滅\n\n02:07.822 --> 02:35.825\n事 實 不 容 扭 曲 真 相 就 是 如 此 我 再 一 次 做 補 充 好 徐 司 長 好 您 的 經 歷 非 常 的 有 趣 我 覺 得 這 是 非 常 豐 富 的 職 場 訓 練 您 過 去 擔 任 國 小 教 師 嗎 是 那 您 認 為 在 您 國 小 教 師 的 整 個 教 育 的 歷 程 上 到 您 後 來 來 擔 任 檢 查 體 系 現 在 服 務 於 我 們 的 公 職 教 育 對 於 我 們 所 有 的 正 向 意 義 在 哪 裡\n\n02:37.059 --> 02:38.781\n您 認 為 人 性 本 善 或 是 人 性 本 惡 就 您 的 教 育 理 念 ?\n\n03:00.680 --> 03:26.719\n人 性 沒 有 辦 法 用 三 二 直 接 劃 定 很 好 這 是 一 個 好 的 回 答 我 也 認 為 每 一 個 人 有 不 同 的 養 成 有 不 同 的 社 會 所 給 予 的 能 量 但 是 教 育 就 是 一 個 非 常 重 要 的 媒 介 那 我 今 天 要 破 題 的 就 是 我 曾 經 跟 蔡 新 祥 部 長 所 質 詢 過 的 那 因 為 是 新 任 的 部 長 次 長 我 有 機 會 再 一 次 來 表 達 我 的 關 切 就 是 吳 思 瑤 本 是 我\n\n03:28.640 --> 03:51.159\n認 為 每 個 人 都 有 他 非 常 良 善 的 本 質 的 地 方 。 我 有 靠 透 過 教 育 跟 教 化 可 以 更 加 的 指 引 跟 導 引 出 他 的 正 能 量 。 所 以 我 要 就 教 于 您 啊 監 獄 的 友 善 犬 貓 的 計 畫 到 底 有 沒 有 可 能 從 蔡 清 祥 部 長 的 S a y Y e s 來 下 一 頁 來 讓 新 任 的 證 明 圈 部 長 也 能 夠 持 續 來 推 動 下 一 頁 。\n\n03:55.305 --> 03:55.665\n委 員 魯 明 哲 等 1 6 人 擬 具\n\n04:25.465 --> 04:43.000\n所 以 國 際 的 案 例 我 不 再 贅 述 了 哈 從 歐 洲 到 美 洲 只 要 在 監 獄 裡 頭 有 友 善 的 犬 貓 都 能 夠 讓 凶 神 惡 煞 一 夕 之 間 成 為 暖 男 去 勾 出 他 人 性 人 性 最 柔 軟 的 那 個 部 分 而 且 養 成 獸 型 人 的 責 任 感 下 一 頁 一 樣 美 國 的 這 個 華 盛 頓 女 子 監 獄 的\n\n04:50.816 --> 04:52.417\n委 員 魯 明 哲 等 1 6 人 擬 具 《 中 華 民 國 刑 法 第 三 百 三 十 九 條 之 四 條 文 修 正 草 案 》 案 。\n\n05:15.313 --> 05:26.068\n那 當 然 美 國 的 這 個 四 爪 監 獄 計 劃 我 也 再 次 提 供 給 您 大 家 可 以 持 續 再 去 做 研 究 好 下 一 頁 台 灣 也 有 這 樣 的 計 劃 喔 好 下 一 頁\n\n05:27.119 --> 05:47.342\n在 我 們 桃 園 的 太 原 監 獄 曾 經 呢 由 受 刑 人 來 照 顧 在 太 原 監 獄 四 周 的 流 浪 貓 那 藉 由 照 顧 流 浪 貓 收 留 流 浪 貓 到 最 後 全 數 的 送 養 成 功 而 很 多 是 跟 著 受 刑 人 回 家 的 他 們 都 培 養 出 濃 厚 的 感 情 下 一 頁\n\n05:48.183 --> 06:13.740\n同 樣 的 新 竹 的 監 獄 犬 訓 班 呢 這 是 一 個 非 常 好 的 案 例 從 2 0 0 6 年 到 2 0 2 2 年 他 們 創 下 了 4 7 名 獸 行 人 成 功 訓 練 了 8 4 隻 流 浪 犬 事 後 認 養 率 高 達 百 分 之 百 建 立 起 收 容 人 的 自 我 認 同 自 我 價 值 也 培 育 了 他 們 新 的 職 能 這 是 一 個 好 的 案 例 下 一 頁\n\n06:15.003 --> 06:39.144\n所 以 上 一 次 我 跟 鍾 嘉 斌 委 員 非 常 的 湊 巧 我 們 在 同 一 天 都 拋 出 同 樣 的 質 詢 很 快 的 我 們 法 務 部 呢 就 直 接 跟 嘉 斌 委 員 的 選 區 評 科 大 開 始 攜 手 合 作 了 監 獄 關 懷 犬 的 訓 練 課 程 那 矯 正 署 也 一 起 來 納 入 了 很 多 可 以 來 做 的 雙 方 應 當 是 簽 了 一 個 M O U\n\n06:42.026 --> 07:04.181\n那 這 是 一 個 好 的 嘗 試 。 那 台 灣 有 這 樣 子 的 民 間 的 學 校 的 訓 練 也 好 或 是 民 間 的 團 體 包 括 受 益 師 公 會 很 多 的 動 保 團 體 也 好 其 實 我 們 可 以 擴 大 的 串 聯 合 作 的 面 向 更 多 。 所 以 我 不 曉 得 次 長 您 心 認 您 對 於 這 個 屏 東 開 始 起 跑 的 監 獄 關 懷 犬 屏 間 帶 頭 來 做 有 沒 有 掌 握 有 沒 有 持 續 擴 大 推 動 的 計 畫 。\n\n07:11.761 --> 07:20.261\n我 剛 接 業 務 那 這 個 部 分 我 個 人 我 是 當 然 樂 觀 其 成 但 是 部 裡 面 目 前 的 規 劃 可 能\n\n07:22.605 --> 07:37.938\n好 , 沒 關 係 , 來 。 好 , 矯 正 署 今 天 有 來 嗎 ? 沒 關 係 , 好 , 下 一 頁 。 我 跟 新 任 的 次 長 做 說 明 啦 。 今 天 再 一 次 再 把 這 個 i s s u e 再 針 對 新 任 的 次 長 , 當 然 我 原 本 以 為 部 長 會 來 , 沒 有 關 係 。 一 個 已 經 上 路 的 計 畫 , 政 策 就 要 延 續 , 而 且 它 是 對 的 政 策 跟 對 的 方 向 。\n\n07:45.564 --> 08:10.320\n但 是 我 在 這 裡 提 點 出 來 幾 個 要 項 可 能 讓 你 們 回 去 進 一 步 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