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長\n\n2\n00:00:25,374 --> 00:00:38,192\n請 教 一 下 那 一 天 部 長 到 我 辦 公 室 事 實 上 我 一 直 在 想 這 個 詐 騙 集 團 要 怎 麼 樣 去 防 堵 啦 那 當 然 詐 騙 集 團 本 來 不 見 得 是 蘇 衛 部 的 工 作 啦\n\n3\n00:00:39,013 --> 00:01:07,700\n但 是 呢 用 很 多 新 的 科 技 可 能 就 是 數 位 部 可 能 這 部 分 會 比 其 他 單 位 都 還 要 強 一 點 所 以 是 不 是 數 位 部 可 以 用 你 的 專 業 然 後 來 幫 助 可 能 警 政 署 或 者 是 電 信 公 司 或 者 是 N C C 做 一 個 平 行 的 溝 通 那 怎 麼 樣 去 創 造 一 個 防 止 詐 騙 集 團 可 以 讓 數 位 部 有 所 發 揮 的 空 間\n\n4\n00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:35,138\n好 那 這 個 部 分 不 知 道 部 長 有 想 到 方 法 來 沒 有 ? 對 這 個 跟 委 員 報 告 我 只 有 提 過 就 是 我 們 有 個 打 詐 通 報 查 詢 網 就 在 最 源 頭 就 讓 民 眾 或 是 我 們 自 己 去 網 路 去 s c a n 去 掃 描 發 現 可 疑 的 那 個 訊 息 我 們 就 會 很 快 速 的 跟 其 他 部 會 做 溝 通 會 把 訊 息 p a s s 給 他 們 做 即 時 的 處 理 所 以 就 是 說 你 要 怎 麼 去 發 現 這 個 可 能 是 詐 騙 的 電 話 或 者 是 可 能 是 詐 騙 的 網 路\n\n5\n00:01:35,879 --> 00:01:58,027\n民 眾 當 然 是 民 眾 主 動 把 它 看 到 的 東 西 P O 在 我 們 的 那 個 查 詢 網 號 我 們 會 去 查 這 個 包 括 電 話 的 來 源 網 址 或 是 銀 行 的 帳 號 等 等 等 等 還 有 訊 息 的 內 容 另 外 一 個 當 然 就 是 我 們 也 會 去 網 路 上 去 爬 可 能 看 到 的 一 些 尤 其 像 比 如 說 剛 剛 講 臉 書 這 種 就 是 平 常 看 到 很 多 的 詐 騙 的 訊 息 的 地 方 這 樣 這 個 針 對 民 眾\n\n6\n00:02:01,584 --> 00:02:16,871\n檢 舉 或 者 是 去 爬 臉 書 這 個 當 然 都 是 很 重 要 的 工 作 不 過 這 個 其 實 有 一 點 是 事 備 公 辦 所 以 我 上 一 次 有 跟 部 長 提 到 就 是 說 其 實 你 去 看 一 般 的 商 業 模 式\n\n7\n00:02:17,891 --> 00:02:39,222\n拜 託 他 B 2 B 啦 B 2 C 啦 C 2 B 啦 C 2 C 等 等 的 這 些 商 業 模 式 現 在 詐 騙 集 團 要 去 詐 騙 也 有 他 詐 騙 集 團 的 商 業 模 式 所 以 其 實 我 跟 部 長 提 過 的 就 是 說 這 個 部 分 比 如 說 現 在 中 華 電 信 跟 三 大 電 信 我 們 來 看 那 個 防 詐 的 那 個\n\n8\n00:02:40,542 --> 00:02:56,982\n我 記 得 那 個 數 位 部 好 像 有 提 到 說 他 們 你 們 自 己 也 會 發 展 一 個 防 炸 的 A P P 這 個 部 長 當 時 還 沒 到 不 知 道 裡 面 有 沒 有 人 了 解 說 數 位 部 是 不 是 有 在 規 劃 這 一 個 部 分 防 炸 電 話 的 A P P\n\n9\n00:02:58,758 --> 00:03:23,590\n電 話 是 主 要 還 是 在 那 個 電 信 公 司 嗎 ? 那 我 們 知 道 就 像 比 如 說 中 華 電 信 他 也 有 一 個 防 詐 的 一 個 服 務 他 已 經 擋 掉 百 分 之 九 十 幾 現 在 那 個 W h o ' s C a l l 啦 對 W h o ' s C a l l 也 是 那 個 是 民 間 公 司 嘛 事 實 上 他 是 免 費 的 嘛 W h o ' s C a l l 有 跟 我 們 談 過 好 幾 次 然 後 那 個 台 灣 大 哥 帶 有 一 個 反 詐 戰 警 對 他 也 是 免 費 的 嘛 對 對\n\n10\n00:03:24,827 --> 00:03:46,531\n那 其 他 的 中 華 電 信 跟 遠 傳 的 好 像 是 都 要 收 費 中 華 電 信 要 收 費 應 該 然 後 我 們 自 己 的 我 記 得 當 時 數 位 部 有 跟 我 提 過 說 你 們 自 己 也 想 要 努 力 就 類 似 一 個 這 樣 子 一 個 防 詐 的 戰 警 就 是 去 攔 截 因 為 現 在 就 是 說\n\n11\n00:03:47,813 --> 00:04:16,671\n被 電 話 詐 騙 的 大 部 分 都 是 比 較 老 人 還 是 比 較 弱 勢 啦 那 當 然 其 實 很 多 人 真 的 是 都 受 過 詐 騙 的 電 話 我 覺 得 你 如 果 先 把 網 路 的 其 實 無 影 弗 屆 而 且 網 路 廣 告 有 時 候 你 沒 有 1 0 0 % 你 靠 去 爬 書 的 也 不 容 易 通 通 讓 你 發 現 啦 但 是 我 覺 得 這 個 電 話 如 果 防 詐 電 話 可 以 處 理 的 話 從 源 頭 來 管 理 不 要 只 是 末 端 的 管 理 也 許 這 是 一 個 好 的 方 向\n\n12\n00:04:17,722 --> 00:04:38,252\n對 , 同 意 不 施 請 那 個 呂 署 長 在 這 方 面 再 做 補 充 謝 謝 委 員 讓 我 們 有 補 充 說 明 的 機 會 那 委 員 剛 剛 提 到 之 前 大 概 就 有 這 樣 的 討 論 不 過 因 為 像 富 士 庫 他 就 自 己 不 太 好 嘛 所 以 我 們 就 跟 他 協 作 這 種 有 這 個 需 求 就 請 富 士 庫 再 把 它 多 強 化 他 的 模 組 另 外 剛 剛 委 員 提 到 台 灣\n\n13\n00:04:39,352 --> 00:04:46,317\n台 灣 有 一 個 防 炸 戰 警 他 有 來 簽 我 們 的 A I 領 航 計 劃 這 就 是 研 發 的 部 分 透 過 數 據 的 分 析 把 A I 你 現 在 卡 進 來 有 時 候 那 個 量 突 然 增 多 他 怎 麼 做 我 們 沒 關 係 我 們 現 在 說 我 們 數 位 部 有 發 生 在 做\n\n14\n00:04:58,386 --> 00:05:22,290\n現 在 因 為 這 種 民 間 的 創 意 比 我 們 多 所 以 我 們 是 用 協 作 的 方 式 我 們 現 在 是 用 打 造 查 詢 網 這 個 我 們 就 自 己 做 除 了 那 個 時 候 大 概 有 這 樣 的 討 論 大 概 回 到 民 間 的 創 意 然 後 去 做 研 發 補 助 這 樣 沒 關 係 啦 我 的 意 思 就 是 說 你 要 去 想 前 端 跟 後 端 嘛 那 你 後 端 就 是 說 像 A P P 這 些 都 是 我\n\n15\n00:05:23,817 --> 00:05:51,145\n我 要 自 己 那 個 d o w n l o a d 下 來 自 己 安 裝 上 去 我 才 會 有 這 個 功 能 嘛 那 這 個 功 能 當 然 就 是 說 不 同 的 電 信 公 司 或 者 是 民 間 公 司 他 們 都 會 去 規 劃 設 計 嘛 那 我 們 處 理 末 端 的 這 個 部 分 就 是 說 我 們 也 希 望 說 數 位 部 可 以 幫 忙 啦 這 不 是 你 的 工 作 啦 但 是 數 位 部 為 什 麼 人 家 一 直 去 質 疑 說 數 位 部 的 工 作 成 效 不 髒\n\n16\n00:05:52,369 --> 00:06:21,795\n好 , 就 是 說 因 為 你 做 的 事 情 沒 有 去 凸 顯 出 來 嘛 那 你 今 天 如 果 是 因 為 你 的 數 位 專 業 可 以 去 幫 忙 的 話 也 許 你 幫 了 以 後 人 家 會 發 現 啊 數 位 部 真 的 做 這 事 情 真 的 大 家 惹 怒 了 所 以 這 個 才 能 夠 凸 顯 就 是 說 現 在 詐 騙 電 話 這 麼 多 啦 我 們 現 在 就 是 說 我 們 先 把 詐 騙 電 話 先 堵 掉 至 少 堵 掉 大 部 分 啦 你 沒 有 辦 法 1 0 0 % 至 少 堵 掉 大 部 分 所 以 就 是 就 這 個 防 詐 的 A P P 是 不 是 數 位 部 可 以 做 一 個 統 整\n\n17\n00:06:23,015 --> 00:06:41,526\n好 跟 個 電 信 公 司 也 好 民 間 公 司 也 好 在 末 端 這 裡 每 一 個 人 你 輸 入 之 後 你 可 以 去 預 防 這 個 詐 騙 電 話 這 個 部 分 是 不 是 數 位 部 可 以 有 這 個 規 劃 可 以 我 就 是 基 本 上 剛 講 的 打 炸 這 個 查 詢 網 通 報 查 詢 網 就 是 相 當 一 個 入 口 啦 p o r t a l 啦 能 夠\n\n18\n00:06:42,606 --> 00:07:01,778\n所 以 可 以 數 位 部 可 以 去 統 整 整 合 做 出 一 個 這 樣 子 一 個 末 端 的 系 統 的 防 堵 的 系 統 就 對 了 好 不 好 系 統 可 以 交 互 交 叉 比 對 就 是 在 末 端 這 邊 數 位 部 努 力 一 下 啦 就 了 解 各 個 不 同 的 單 位 嘛 能 夠 做 一 個 末 端 的 防 堵 防 炸 的 工 作 好\n\n19\n00:07:02,378 --> 00:07:22,746\n那 這 個 部 分 O K 要 做 前 段 的 也 要 做 前 段 的 就 是 說 其 實 我 一 直 去 研 究 就 是 商 業 模 式 跟 詐 騙 模 式 其 實 他 可 能 就 是 如 果 是 都 是 B t o C 的 話 事 實 上 現 在 的 電 話 電 信 公 司 都 是 B t o C 嘛 我 們 把 電 信 公 司 當 作 一 個 單 位 嘛\n\n20\n00:07:23,266 --> 00:07:50,334\n那 詐 騙 集 團 他 也 是 一 個 企 業 單 位 嘛 他 這 個 企 業 單 位 去 針 對 每 一 個 個 人 他 就 是 這 樣 一 直 打 嘛 那 如 果 你 如 果 可 以 在 電 信 公 司 或 者 是 我 們 整 體 設 一 個 H u b 那 這 個 H u b 就 是 說 你 今 天 是 B 2 B 在 吐 息 嘛 那 你 這 個 B 呢 就 可 以 說 所 有 的 電 話 來 比 如 說 我 從 海 外 電 話 一 天 打 台 灣 1 0 通 以 上 的 這 個 海 外 電 話 可 能 就 有 問 題\n\n21\n00:07:51,616 --> 00:08:03,440\n那 我 如 果 用 室 內 電 話 一 天 打 超 過 3 0 通 比 如 說 民 力 代 表 服 務 處 啦 或 者 是 企 業 單 位 他 們 業 務 單 位 這 個 就 很 正 常 那 這 個 會 登 錄 說 這 是 正 常 的 電 話 號 碼 嘛\n\n22\n00:08:04,963 --> 00:08:26,390\n阿 如 果 你 如 果 一 般 的 沒 有 登 錄 過 的 電 話 號 碼 除 了 有 這 樣 子 一 個 現 象 發 生 可 能 就 有 可 能 是 詐 騙 電 話 嘛 那 你 們 如 果 說 有 一 個 程 式 你 們 來 協 助 然 後 協 助 這 三 大 電 信 公 司 跟 N C C 來 處 理 這 樣 子 一 個 p r o g r a m 那 有 可 能 你 就 可 以 在\n\n23\n00:08:27,423 --> 00:08:27,623\n韓 國 瑜 委 員\n\n24\n00:08:44,299 --> 00:08:57,855\n對 , 就 是 前 段 這 邊 如 果 跟 電 信 公 司 的 合 作 我 們 會 跟 N C C 合 作 去 去 看 把 委 員 講 這 種 方 法 跟 這 個 異 常 政 策 會 我 現 在 就 是 先 提 出 這 個 概 念 那 希 望 說 數 位 部\n\n25\n00:08:59,605 --> 00:09:17,275\n可 以 去 幫 忙 做 這 個 部 分 的 整 合 用 你 們 的 專 業 看 怎 麼 樣 去 處 理 因 為 這 個 電 信 公 司 他 要 主 動 想 到 可 能 也 他 也 沒 想 到 啦 N C C 我 們 剛 剛 要 求 的 現 在 是 末 端 前 端 N C C 可 能 也 不 見 得 有 這 個 能 力 啦 那 前 端 這 個 部 分 是 不 是 數 位 部 正 好 是 你 們 的 專 業\n\n26\n00:09:18,975 --> 00:09:42,626\n我 們 可 以 跟 他 們 講 就 是 整 合 我 們 現 在 在 進 行 這 些 打 爆 通 訊 網 去 整 合 這 樣 一 個 能 力 能 夠 把 那 個 我 以 後 會 再 問 啦 希 望 說 這 個 部 分 我 都 能 夠 看 到 數 位 部 有 進 度 那 真 的 是 把 我 們 電 話 詐 騙 如 果 能 減 少 到 9 0 % 以 上 9 5 % 以 上 這 真 的 是 功 德 無 量 好 不 好 希 望 數 位 部 在 這 一 部 分 多 做 努 力 我 們 會 努 力 好 謝 謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5519\t6181\t謝謝主席我們請部長請部長\n25374\t38192\t請教一下那一天部長到我辦公室事實上我一直在想這個詐騙集團要怎麼樣去防堵啦那當然詐騙集團本來不見得是蘇衛部的工作啦\n39013\t67700\t但是呢用很多新的科技可能就是數位部可能這部分會比其他單位都還要強一點所以是不是數位部可以用你的專業然後來幫助可能警政署或者是電信公司或者是NCC做一個平行的溝通那怎麼樣去創造一個防止詐騙集團可以讓數位部有所發揮的空間\n68720\t95138\t好那這個部分不知道部長有想到方法來沒有?對這個跟委員報告我只有提過就是我們有個打詐通報查詢網就在最源頭就讓民眾或是我們自己去網路去scan去掃描發現可疑的那個訊息我們就會很快速的跟其他部會做溝通會把訊息pass給他們做即時的處理所以就是說你要怎麼去發現這個可能是詐騙的電話或者是可能是詐騙的網路\n95879\t118027\t民眾當然是民眾主動把它看到的東西PO在我們的那個查詢網號我們會去查這個包括電話的來源網址或是銀行的帳號等等等等還有訊息的內容另外一個當然就是我們也會去網路上去爬可能看到的一些尤其像比如說剛剛講臉書這種就是平常看到很多的詐騙的訊息的地方這樣這個針對民眾\n121584\t136871\t檢舉或者是去爬臉書這個當然都是很重要的工作不過這個其實有一點是事備公辦所以我上一次有跟部長提到就是說其實你去看一般的商業模式\n137891\t159222\t拜託他B2B啦B2C啦C2B啦C2C等等的這些商業模式現在詐騙集團要去詐騙也有他詐騙集團的商業模式所以其實我跟部長提過的就是說這個部分比如說現在中華電信跟三大電信我們來看那個防詐的那個\n160542\t176982\t我記得那個數位部好像有提到說他們你們自己也會發展一個防炸的APP這個部長當時還沒到不知道裡面有沒有人了解說數位部是不是有在規劃這一個部分防炸電話的APP\n178758\t203590\t電話是主要還是在那個電信公司嗎?那我們知道就像比如說中華電信他也有一個防詐的一個服務他已經擋掉百分之九十幾現在那個Who's Call啦對 Who's Call也是那個是民間公司嘛事實上他是免費的嘛Who's 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Call啦對 Who's Call也是那個是民間公司嘛事實上他是免費的嘛Who's Call有跟我們談過好幾次然後那個台灣大哥帶有一個反詐戰警對他也是免費的嘛對對\n那其他的中華電信跟遠傳的好像是都要收費中華電信要收費應該然後我們自己的我記得當時數位部有跟我提過說你們自己也想要努力就類似一個這樣子一個防詐的戰警就是去攔截因為現在就是說\n被電話詐騙的大部分都是比較老人還是比較弱勢啦那當然其實很多人真的是都受過詐騙的電話我覺得你如果先把網路的其實無影弗屆而且網路廣告有時候你沒有100%你靠去爬書的也不容易通通讓你發現啦但是我覺得這個電話如果防詐電話可以處理的話從源頭來管理不要只是末端的管理也許這是一個好的方向\n對,同意不施請那個呂署長在這方面再做補充謝謝委員讓我們有補充說明的機會那委員剛剛提到之前大概就有這樣的討論不過因為像富士庫他就自己不太好嘛所以我們就跟他協作這種有這個需求就請富士庫再把它多強化他的模組另外剛剛委員提到台灣\n台灣有一個防炸戰警他有來簽我們的AI領航計劃這就是研發的部分透過數據的分析把AI你現在卡進來有時候那個量突然增多他怎麼做我們沒關係我們現在說我們數位部有發生在做\n現在因為這種民間的創意比我們多所以我們是用協作的方式我們現在是用打造查詢網這個我們就自己做除了那個時候大概有這樣的討論大概回到民間的創意然後去做研發補助這樣沒關係啦我的意思就是說你要去想前端跟後端嘛那你後端就是說像APP這些都是我\n我要自己那個download下來自己安裝上去我才會有這個功能嘛那這個功能當然就是說不同的電信公司或者是民間公司他們都會去規劃設計嘛那我們處理末端的這個部分就是說我們也希望說數位部可以幫忙啦這不是你的工作啦但是數位部為什麼人家一直去質疑說數位部的工作成效不髒\n好,就是說因為你做的事情沒有去凸顯出來嘛那你今天如果是因為你的數位專業可以去幫忙的話也許你幫了以後人家會發現啊數位部真的做這事情真的大家惹怒了所以這個才能夠凸顯就是說現在詐騙電話這麼多啦我們現在就是說我們先把詐騙電話先堵掉至少堵掉大部分啦你沒有辦法100%至少堵掉大部分所以就是就這個防詐的APP是不是數位部可以做一個統整\n好跟個電信公司也好民間公司也好在末端這裡每一個人你輸入之後你可以去預防這個詐騙電話這個部分是不是數位部可以有這個規劃可以我就是基本上剛講的打炸這個查詢網通報查詢網就是相當一個入口啦portal啦能夠\n所以可以數位部可以去統整整合做出一個這樣子一個末端的系統的防堵的系統就對了好不好系統可以交互交叉比對就是在末端這邊數位部努力一下啦就了解各個不同的單位嘛能夠做一個末端的防堵防炸的工作好\n那這個部分OK要做前段的也要做前段的就是說其實我一直去研究就是商業模式跟詐騙模式其實他可能就是如果是都是B to C的話事實上現在的電話電信公司都是B to C嘛我們把電信公司當作一個單位嘛\n那詐騙集團他也是一個企業單位嘛他這個企業單位去針對每一個個人他就是這樣一直打嘛那如果你如果可以在電信公司或者是我們整體設一個Hub那這個Hub就是說你今天是B2B在吐息嘛那你這個B呢就可以說所有的電話來比如說我從海外電話一天打台灣10通以上的這個海外電話可能就有問題\n那我如果用室內電話一天打超過30通比如說民力代表服務處啦或者是企業單位他們業務單位這個就很正常那這個會登錄說這是正常的電話號碼嘛\n阿如果你如果一般的沒有登錄過的電話號碼除了有這樣子一個現象發生可能就有可能是詐騙電話嘛那你們如果說有一個程式你們來協助然後協助這三大電信公司跟NCC來處理這樣子一個program那有可能你就可以在\n韓國瑜委員\n對,就是前段這邊如果跟電信公司的合作我們會跟NCC合作去去看把委員講這種方法跟這個異常政策會我現在就是先提出這個概念那希望說數位部\n可以去幫忙做這個部分的整合用你們的專業看怎麼樣去處理因為這個電信公司他要主動想到可能也他也沒想到啦NCC我們剛剛要求的現在是末端前端NCC可能也不見得有這個能力啦那前端這個部分是不是數位部正好是你們的專業\n我們可以跟他們講就是整合我們現在在進行這些打爆通訊網去整合這樣一個能力能夠把那個我以後會再問啦希望說這個部分我都能夠看到數位部有進度那真的是把我們電話詐騙如果能減少到90%以上95%以上這真的是功德無量好不好希望數位部在這一部分多做努力我們會努力好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.519 --> 00:06.181\n謝 謝 主 席 我 們 請 部 長 請 部 長\n\n00:25.374 --> 00:38.192\n請 教 一 下 那 一 天 部 長 到 我 辦 公 室 事 實 上 我 一 直 在 想 這 個 詐 騙 集 團 要 怎 麼 樣 去 防 堵 啦 那 當 然 詐 騙 集 團 本 來 不 見 得 是 蘇 衛 部 的 工 作 啦\n\n00:39.013 --> 01:07.700\n但 是 呢 用 很 多 新 的 科 技 可 能 就 是 數 位 部 可 能 這 部 分 會 比 其 他 單 位 都 還 要 強 一 點 所 以 是 不 是 數 位 部 可 以 用 你 的 專 業 然 後 來 幫 助 可 能 警 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