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Call主要是電話但是我們現在很多詐騙的訊息來自比如說Line或是來自Facebook那沒有跨部會的合作嗎\n181565\t196746\t那部分現在像福斯科可能暫時就就是說我們希望有個東西就是不管你是哪個管道進來訊息能夠把它PO在我們這樣一個服務網然後就可以協助來判斷這樣訊息是不是可能詐騙這樣所以會大於只是電話的偵測\n199480\t202262\t那剛才提到的強化模組是什麼意思?強化模組跟委員報告齁就是因為詐騙這個有不同的樣態嘛按夫斯科因為過去我們在這樣的業務討論上面他也會持續去做研發所以呢诶詐騙有時候新的模態譬如說剛剛前面幾位委員有一位舉的就是這個謝金河先生嘛他以前都是名子\n227699\t250422\t那他就會轉成說就不是名字了,可能是謝社長但是他的圖像那這個都是要透過科技的方式讓這個我們在後台處理的時候抓得到說這個其實也是假冒因為一般人因為這是名人嘛看起來就知道這個是就自己會映射成一些就知道是謝社長的人\n252003\t273085\t那這些都是模組上他在AI訓練model的時候都會用到那我們其實跟剛剛講跟FoodCore他就持續去做研發那另外呢像幾個電信業者因為他們也會做這樣的研發然後大家這種都是有點像機位酒料法大家都盡他的能力 沒關係那我們是希望那個數發部主要有自己作為讓民眾有感\n274926\t295251\t謝謝委員我們會努力因為過去一直大家都說都會在想為什麼不能從源頭落實啊很多民眾都不解那包括我們委員在內那在我們桃園我們市長張先生市長成立打造桃園隊那儘管再怎麼努力啊成功的攔截很多重大詐騙案但是風氣還是沒有辦法克制就不知道有什麼資本的政策\n296471\t296672\t拜訪委員\n316164\t332283\t但是呢我覺得最後結果還是希望我們提升民眾視詐的能力就是說能夠能夠看了以後能夠知道說這是一個詐騙那這個方法可以從剛講這個達照通報查詢網去問以外另外就是說我們會推動向短短馬現在部長還是請署發部從源頭的這方面對對源頭我知道就源頭就說源頭的資訊\n337148\t337268\t委員會主席\n357961\t382072\t部長與國發為合作設置AI生態園區要扶植AI新創還有投資還有吸引投資要打造打造我們台版的AI矽谷那希望也是在同樣3個月內提出計劃那我們桃園市政府也有正在爭取推動AI的應用還有引導新創產業的進駐那我們地方資源有限必須要中央的協助相信部長清楚桃園有很多重點的科技產業那部長這方面可以提供\n382852\t403971\t我想我們可以跟桃園的有些密切合作沒問題就是希望可以把桃園納入計畫的重點區這個要提供我想我們在在在我們會去會接再再去可能去拜訪桃園市的一些就是關於這個計畫的細節好看怎麼跟中央配合或中怎麼協助來讓桃園將能夠發展能夠\n405092\t405352\t好謝謝部長\n","txt":"主席好 請黃部長 請黃部長\n委員好部長好首先先恭喜黃部長上任期待部長可以重建數發部成立的價值因為數發部成立不到成立還不到兩年但已經讓很多國人從期待變到失望從過去的期望演變成失望那前面很多委員都提到詐騙已經是高民怨了那部長的報告中也提到了\n要打詐先從打詐給民眾一個安心無論是行政院還是黃部長都有推新的措施都是希望可以改善過去的打詐成果那第一支箭推動打詐工作將設置打詐通報查詢網請問部長何時可以檢視這個成效現在預定是三個月三個月是建制那我想請問就是成效對這個次長是不是可以回答未計成效我們這個\n報告委員我們這個要成立這個打詐通報查詢網那個因為這個的目標算是蠻大的我們會分階段實行那我們剛開始我們會集中在幾個部分第一個部分就是一些公眾人物他的身份被假冒然後有一些詐騙的廣告這是第一部分那第二個部分呢是很多那種假冒政府單位的訊息\n公眾人物的假冒是指廣告嗎?商業廣告?對,就是那個投資詐騙廣告就像那個謝金河先生他常常就是就是短期那中期跟長期的計畫呢?我們剛開始短期的話我們先會用人工來處理等我們熟悉這個處理的流程之後呢那我們就會漸漸轉為用科技的手段用科技來對付科技詐騙\n用AI來對付AI的那個詐騙這是我們中長期的計畫那我剛才有聽到部長有說跟Who's Call也有做過去也有做\n對那個報告委員對我們跟因為這個現在民間技術也蠻多也蠻進步的所以我們也將來我是希望這是一個整合啦就是說我們會剛剛講電信公司有些有些這個這個防詐和堵詐的方法然後還有一些金融單位也有一些方法我們都會試著把它整合進來這樣\n我相信很多民眾都有下載包括我在內海小屋包括在座的很多就是在座各位都也有下載Who's Call嗎那為什麼民間可以做到我們政府還有速發部做不到的因為這個速發部的感覺起來像是被動式的Who's Call是主動只要我們接到電話就可以看到是誰來電那為什麼我們不能報告委員Who's Call主要是電話但是我們現在很多詐騙的訊息來自比如說Line或是來自Facebook那沒有跨部會的合作嗎\n那部分現在像福斯科可能暫時就就是說我們希望有個東西就是不管你是哪個管道進來訊息能夠把它PO在我們這樣一個服務網然後就可以協助來判斷這樣訊息是不是可能詐騙這樣所以會大於只是電話的偵測\n那剛才提到的強化模組是什麼意思?強化模組跟委員報告齁就是因為詐騙這個有不同的樣態嘛按夫斯科因為過去我們在這樣的業務討論上面他也會持續去做研發所以呢诶詐騙有時候新的模態譬如說剛剛前面幾位委員有一位舉的就是這個謝金河先生嘛他以前都是名子\n那他就會轉成說就不是名字了,可能是謝社長但是他的圖像那這個都是要透過科技的方式讓這個我們在後台處理的時候抓得到說這個其實也是假冒因為一般人因為這是名人嘛看起來就知道這個是就自己會映射成一些就知道是謝社長的人\n那這些都是模組上他在AI訓練model的時候都會用到那我們其實跟剛剛講跟FoodCore他就持續去做研發那另外呢像幾個電信業者因為他們也會做這樣的研發然後大家這種都是有點像機位酒料法大家都盡他的能力 沒關係那我們是希望那個數發部主要有自己作為讓民眾有感\n謝謝委員我們會努力因為過去一直大家都說都會在想為什麼不能從源頭落實啊很多民眾都不解那包括我們委員在內那在我們桃園我們市長張先生市長成立打造桃園隊那儘管再怎麼努力啊成功的攔截很多重大詐騙案但是風氣還是沒有辦法克制就不知道有什麼資本的政策\n拜訪委員\n但是呢我覺得最後結果還是希望我們提升民眾視詐的能力就是說能夠能夠看了以後能夠知道說這是一個詐騙那這個方法可以從剛講這個達照通報查詢網去問以外另外就是說我們會推動向短短馬現在部長還是請署發部從源頭的這方面對對源頭我知道就源頭就說源頭的資訊\n委員會主席\n部長與國發為合作設置AI生態園區要扶植AI新創還有投資還有吸引投資要打造打造我們台版的AI矽谷那希望也是在同樣3個月內提出計劃那我們桃園市政府也有正在爭取推動AI的應用還有引導新創產業的進駐那我們地方資源有限必須要中央的協助相信部長清楚桃園有很多重點的科技產業那部長這方面可以提供\n我想我們可以跟桃園的有些密切合作沒問題就是希望可以把桃園納入計畫的重點區這個要提供我想我們在在在我們會去會接再再去可能去拜訪桃園市的一些就是關於這個計畫的細節好看怎麼跟中央配合或中怎麼協助來讓桃園將能夠發展能夠\n好謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.440 --> 00:05.885\n主 席 好 請 黃 部 長 請 黃 部 長\n\n00:13.075 --> 00:36.825\n委 員 好 部 長 好 首 先 先 恭 喜 黃 部 長 上 任 期 待 部 長 可 以 重 建 數 發 部 成 立 的 價 值 因 為 數 發 部 成 立 不 到 成 立 還 不 到 兩 年 但 已 經 讓 很 多 國 人 從 期 待 變 到 失 望 從 過 去 的 期 望 演 變 成 失 望 那 前 面 很 多 委 員 都 提 到 詐 騙 已 經 是 高 民 怨 了 那 部 長 的 報 告 中 也 提 到 了\n\n00:37.225 --> 01:02.697\n要 打 詐 先 從 打 詐 給 民 眾 一 個 安 心 無 論 是 行 政 院 還 是 黃 部 長 都 有 推 新 的 措 施 都 是 希 望 可 以 改 善 過 去 的 打 詐 成 果 那 第 一 支 箭 推 動 打 詐 工 作 將 設 置 打 詐 通 報 查 詢 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請黃部長"},{"start":13.075,"end":36.825,"text":"委員好部長好首先先恭喜黃部長上任期待部長可以重建數發部成立的價值因為數發部成立不到成立還不到兩年但已經讓很多國人從期待變到失望從過去的期望演變成失望那前面很多委員都提到詐騙已經是高民怨了那部長的報告中也提到了"},{"start":37.225,"end":62.697,"text":"要打詐先從打詐給民眾一個安心無論是行政院還是黃部長都有推新的措施都是希望可以改善過去的打詐成果那第一支箭推動打詐工作將設置打詐通報查詢網請問部長何時可以檢視這個成效現在預定是三個月三個月是建制那我想請問就是成效對這個次長是不是可以回答未計成效我們這個"},{"start":66.892,"end":90.472,"text":"報告委員我們這個要成立這個打詐通報查詢網那個因為這個的目標算是蠻大的我們會分階段實行那我們剛開始我們會集中在幾個部分第一個部分就是一些公眾人物他的身份被假冒然後有一些詐騙的廣告這是第一部分那第二個部分呢是很多那種假冒政府單位的訊息"},{"start":91.072,"end":116.368,"text":"公眾人物的假冒是指廣告嗎?商業廣告?對,就是那個投資詐騙廣告就像那個謝金河先生他常常就是就是短期那中期跟長期的計畫呢?我們剛開始短期的話我們先會用人工來處理等我們熟悉這個處理的流程之後呢那我們就會漸漸轉為用科技的手段用科技來對付科技詐騙"},{"start":117.208,"end":126.955,"text":"用AI來對付AI的那個詐騙這是我們中長期的計畫那我剛才有聽到部長有說跟Who's Call也有做過去也有做"},{"start":128.334,"end":150.857,"text":"對那個報告委員對我們跟因為這個現在民間技術也蠻多也蠻進步的所以我們也將來我是希望這是一個整合啦就是說我們會剛剛講電信公司有些有些這個這個防詐和堵詐的方法然後還有一些金融單位也有一些方法我們都會試著把它整合進來這樣"},{"start":151.618,"end":180.885,"text":"我相信很多民眾都有下載包括我在內海小屋包括在座的很多就是在座各位都也有下載Who's 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