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--> 00:02:10,269\n我 的 了 解 是 我 們 那 個 法 案 通 過 後 我 們 是 可 以 罰 款 你 們 是 可 以 罰 款 目 前 的 想 法 是 罰 款 對 好 後 面 限 制 到 的 速 度 或 封 網 也 可 以 評 估 好 不 好 對 好 再 往 下 看 那 另 外 呢 行 政 院 把 他 說 一 定 規 模 他 才 去 處 理 這 個 廣 告 平 台 業 者 啦 那 這 個 規 模 的 計 算 他 包 括 數 位 部 或 星 際 你 們 數 位 部 有 想 法 了 嗎 什 麼 叫 一 定 規 模 以 上 一 定 規 模 以 上 是 不 是 姓 陳\n\n7\n00:02:11,330 --> 00:02:34,009\n簡 單 講 , 因 為 時 間 有 限 。 謝 謝 委 員 。 你 正 在 想 嗎 ? 對 不 對 ? 因 為 這 個 有 得 討 論 。 一 定 規 模 就 是 . . . 還 沒 申 請 出 來 沒 有 ? 你 剛 才 講 那 個 裡 面 , M e t a 、 G o o g l e , 這 些 都 會 在 裡 面 。 好 , 來 , 那 個 部 長 。 但 是 如 果 未 達 你 們 的 規 模 , 不 管 你 們 的 規 模 有 多 大 , 那 詐 欺 廣 告 也 會 化 整 為 零 啊 , 專 門 找 小 規 模 的 平 台 業 者 啊 , 找 廣 告 平 台 。 舉 例 來 說 , 以 我 們 的 年 紀 , 我 們 成 長 的 時 候 ,\n\n8\n00:02:34,730 --> 00:02:52,240\n以 前 的 報 紙 加 廣 告 也 都 很 氾 濫 射 情 啊 詐 騙 啊 後 來 要 實 名 登 記 制 結 果 呢 這 些 廣 告 就 往 哪 裡 往 樓 梯 間 啊 大 樓 的 牆 面 就 亂 貼 那 這 些 怎 麼 管 那 時 候 的 中 央 政 府 是 新 聞 局 管 但 是 呢 小 零 星 的 流 竄 的 呢 就 地 方 政 府 環 保 局 是 不 是 這 樣\n\n9\n00:02:53,260 --> 00:03:20,720\n所 以 如 果 大 規 模 的 廣 告 平 台 你 們 管 那 小 規 模 的 你 們 要 怎 麼 樣 分 工 分 流 有 沒 有 想 法 小 規 模 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家 有 同 櫃 啊 來 因 為 以 前 還 會 陸 陸 續 征 啊 我 們 會 去 審 查 所 以 只 要 他 沒 有 做 到 洗 錢 房 子 服 務 能 量 登 錄 他 就 不 得 提 供 境 外 公 司 也 是 如 此 嘛 對 不 對 然 後 我 們 會 有 一 些 洗 錢 房 子 的 查 核 這 個 洗 房 法 也 有 幾 點 那 你 們 用 什 麼 手 段 來 防 止 限 制 他 提 供 服 務 ?\n\n13\n00:04:40,236 --> 00:05:08,202\n有 沒 有 辦 法 禁 止 金 融 機 構 跟 他 交 易 ? 他 就 沒 有 那 個 虛 擬 帳 號 所 以 你 如 果 不 是 這 5 3 金 融 就 不 給 他 虛 擬 帳 號 來 部 長 請 聽 現 在 我 們 金 融 會 配 合 協 調 的 就 是 已 經 不 合 與 虛 擬 帳 號 如 果 他 不 完 成 登 錄 但 是 我 認 為 不 合 與 虛 擬 帳 號 是 減 少 他 的 殺 傷 力 並 沒 有 完 全 禁 止 他 的 破 壞 力 啦 簡 單 講 這 些 三 支 呢 只 要 沒 有 完 成 登 錄 他 高 風 險 金 融 機 構 不 可 以 虛 擬 帳 戶 但 是 根 據 銀 行 法 第 4 5 條 之 一\n\n14\n00:05:10,387 --> 00:05:22,057\n銀 行 要 建 立 內 機 內 控 銀 行 法 第 1 2 9 條 第 1 項 第 7 款 他 可 以 處 於 華 凡 你 們 可 不 可 以 協 調 金 管 會 直 接 禁 止 金 融 機 構 跟 他 交 易 或 者 停 止 解 析 境 外 網 域 可 以 做 到 這 一 點 嗎\n\n15\n00:05:23,095 --> 00:05:36,359\n我 們 在 跟 金 管 會 就 是 在 這 裡 面 有 一 些 共 識 所 以 所 以 會 那 個 那 這 個 這 個 停 止 解 析 金 管 委 員 這 個 如 果 有 法 如 果 有 有 法 員 對 有 法 員 那 趕 快 跟 我 們 講 我 們 訂 進 去 好 不 好 跟 我 們 報 告 這 因 為 過 去 這 多 少 委 員 提 醒 啊 這 樣 子 我 們 會 後 我 們 跟 金 管 會 看 他 在 銀 行 法 或 是 銀 行 法 相 關 規 定 裡 頭 怎 麼 去 做 執 行 因 為 這 種\n\n16\n00:05:46,502 --> 00:06:10,103\n我 們 一 併 來 修 嘛 好 不 好 我 過 去 有 在 財 政 委 員 會 啦 我 來 去 協 調 最 後 主 席 站 起 來 了 我 就 做 個 結 論 希 望 你 們 比 照 金 融 機 構 第 三 方 支 付 要 成 立 工 會 啦 他 律 也 要 自 律 啦 那 是 不 是 請 今 晚 會 我 們 去 請 他 徵 詢 相 關 工 會 的 意 見 第 三 方 支 付 也 有 專 屬 的 工 會 比 照 金 融 機 構 成 立 專 屬 工 會 建 立 自 律 塊 你 們 樂 不 樂 見\n\n17\n00:06:11,804 --> 00:06:12,025\n謝 謝 鍾 佳 濱 委 員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3656\t10042\t主席、在場委員先進。列席的政府教授、官員、會場工作夥伴、媒體記者女士先生,有請黃部長。請黃部長。\n18639\t41815\t委員好部長好你有沒有發現今天大家都問打詐有沒有在你意料之中可以期盼對因為這是很重要的議題所以對沒錯那我想很多委員的前面的都講出來了我來自於司法法制委員會法務部一直希望能夠增加檢察官助理或檢察事務官就是說要等守其實我們知道上游們最好隨頭保持底下防堵最困難大家都同意嘛要源頭管理是不是這樣\n43284\t58278\t來到源頭管理嘛源頭管理很重要但是對我講說大家一起努力這應該是都要一起都要做好那源頭管理大家都提到了網路廣告是一切榨氣的源頭三個月高達三萬件這些內容就是榨氣的源頭你同意嗎\n59159\t59259\t韓國瑜委員\n77625\t78125\t他們應該有能力\n108266\t130269\t我的了解是我們那個法案通過後我們是可以罰款你們是可以罰款目前的想法是罰款對好後面限制到的速度或封網也可以評估好不好對好再往下看那另外呢行政院把他說一定規模他才去處理這個廣告平台業者啦那這個規模的計算他包括數位部或星際你們數位部有想法了嗎什麼叫一定規模以上一定規模以上是不是姓陳\n131330\t154009\t簡單講,因為時間有限。謝謝委員。你正在想嗎?對不對?因為這個有得討論。一定規模就是...還沒申請出來沒有?你剛才講那個裡面,Meta、Google,這些都會在裡面。好,來,那個部長。但是如果未達你們的規模,不管你們的規模有多大,那詐欺廣告也會化整為零啊,專門找小規模的平台業者啊,找廣告平台。舉例來說,以我們的年紀,我們成長的時候,\n154730\t172240\t以前的報紙加廣告也都很氾濫射情啊詐騙啊後來要實名登記制結果呢這些廣告就往哪裡往樓梯間啊大樓的牆面就亂貼那這些怎麼管那時候的中央政府是新聞局管但是呢小零星的流竄的呢就地方政府環保局是不是這樣\n173260\t200720\t所以如果大規模的廣告平台你們管那小規模的你們要怎麼樣分工分流有沒有想法小規模這個不好委員這個第一個當然是先管大規模當然先抓大但是小的也不能放小的話再來看如果他的那個到變成是一個問題的時候我們當然也要進去管好很好你們有積極齁好如果你不完全納管他就逃入了法外之地如果你們只管一定規模上的廣告平台小規模的未歸管就容易詐欺那這個時候如果要他實名制有沒有法源\n201621\t220212\t小規模實名制我想如果他的平台到來那個一旦你還是要一來一定規模吧對對對跟委員報告齁因為這個規模因為呃只是授權執法所以若他這樣跑去的時候啊然後社會就覺得說這個要處理我們那個機動可以處理啊應該都是執法嘛對對對對就是執法上面然後做一些聯繫做公報這樣子往下看對\n226595\t252903\t來過去呢我跟郭委員曾經對於第三方智庫輪迴詐團的幫手召開記者會那當時呢要求呢要比照虛擬通貨提出法尊聲明才能而且要兩個月內完成登記好現在來了過去在他的營燈事項頁目營業項目當中有列三隻的一萬兩千家實際經營的大概上百家目前通過審核的有82家登錄只通過53家是不是這樣子對那未來未來我們是不是要繼續審查\n255656\t279896\t會嘛齁?只要他做三支你們要審查嗎?這個再請署長拍照跟我們報告齁 現在有13家有同櫃啊來 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