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有 提 到 , 我 這 邊 就 確 認 一 下 有 跟 哪 些 平 台 聯 繫 的 , 聯 繫 的 進 度 如 何 ? 廣 告 平 台 商\n\n6\n00:01:41,935 --> 00:02:04,426\n委 員 報 告 謝 謝 委 員 讓 我 們 有 說 明 的 機 會 其 實 我 們 次 長 上 禮 拜 上 任 第 一 週 禮 拜 五 就 已 經 找 G o o g l e M e t a 9 來 討 論 針 對 於 打 詐 專 法 裡 頭 相 關 的 這 些 規 範 執 行 上 怎 麼 處 理 那 以 及 跟 委 員 所 來 幫 忙 大 家 在 一 起 支 持 的 電 子 簽 詐 法 之 後 如 何 在 打 詐 專 法 草 案 的 第 3 0 條 能 夠 用\n\n7\n00:02:06,267 --> 00:02:35,655\n數 位 簽 章 或 者 F I D O 或 者 是 其 他 安 全 性 的 技 術 來 驗 證 所 以 這 些 細 節 的 部 分 應 該 一 邊 在 你 草 案 同 時 甚 至 還 有 一 些 執 法 要 討 論 所 以 林 次 長 已 經 有 主 持 會 以 上 報 告 時 間 有 限 感 謝 你 都 有 達 到 了 剛 剛 我 們 這 個 週 末 的 時 候 這 個 在 M e t a 這 個 平 台 被 洗 版 看 到 很 多 名 人 接 下 來 其 實 很 多 免 費 的 Y o u T u b e 的 用 戶 也 開 始 被 詐 騙 集 團 的 這 些 影 片 廣 告 給 這 個 投 遞 那 L I N E 更 不 用 講 更 是 一 個 大 宗\n\n8\n00:02:36,115 --> 00:03:03,938\n當 然 我 相 信 這 些 公 司 都 沒 有 意 要 這 個 協 助 犯 罪 者 那 我 想 政 府 也 必 然 有 責 任 要 來 跟 他 們 一 起 連 結 啦 那 我 們 另 外 一 個 問 題 也 想 請 教 一 下 這 個 通 查 網 在 建 制 的 時 候 很 可 能 也 是 希 望 大 家 來 通 報 嘛 對 不 對 那 讓 你 們 可 以 查 詢 有 沒 有 要 導 入 電 子 簽 章 或 數 位 身 份 的 驗 證 行 動 自 然 人 憑 證 T W C A 的 身 份 驗 證 讓 檢 舉 人 可 以 更 快 的 驗 證 檢 舉 人 的 身 份 來 幫 助 你 們 通 知 這 些 平 台 更 快 的 下 架 這 些 廣 告\n\n9\n00:03:04,218 --> 00:03:25,876\n因 為 這 些 平 台 在 意 的 是 什 麼 ? 到 底 是 不 是 真 正 的 人 在 檢 舉 ? 有 沒 有 思 考 過 要 導 入 這 個 ? 這 個 當 然 是 如 果 這 個 是 就 是 如 果 我 們 要 驗 證 通 報 人 的 身 份 當 然 要 用 這 些 工 具 好 謝 謝 希 望 考 慮 一 下 那 同 時 呢 也 部 長 也 提 到 強 化 數 位 韌 性 是 你 的 第 二 支 箭 那 資 安 非 常 重 要 你 們 有 這 個 資 安 檢 測 協 助 的 服 務 但 是 目 前 只 針 對 企 業 來 提 供 資 安 檢 測 的 服 務\n\n10\n00:03:30,140 --> 00:03:47,307\n二 零 二 二 年 臺 大 的 兩 個 網 站 被 害 二 零 二 三 年 臺 大 教 務 處 的 網 站 被 害 二 零 二 四 年 期 間 大 高 中 呢 這 個 這 個 相 關 的 被 害 兩 萬 筆 資 料 流 出 那 有 沒 有 要 提 供 民 間 團 體 學 校 數 發 部 有 沒 有 來 輔 導 這 個 能 不 能 稍 微 回 應 一 下 我 們 請 那 個\n\n11\n00:03:48,627 --> 00:03:59,995\n那 個 署 長 還 是 那 個 我 們 這 個 當 然 我 們 這 個 我 們 當 然 這 個 治 安 署 跟 治 安 院 會 對 這 個 有 些 服 務 團 幫 助 做 一 些 服 務 那 過 去 有 些 績 效 我 是 不 是 請 那 個 署 長 先 說\n\n12\n00:04:01,834 --> 00:04:02,395\n知 安 檢 測 服 務 網 知 安 檢 測 服 務 目 前 只 針 對 企 業 提 供 服 務\n\n13\n00:04:20,970 --> 00:04:45,518\n而 且 還 有 3 0 家 優 惠 名 額 那 學 校 呢 ? 民 間 團 體 呢 ? 政 府 單 位 呢 ? 我 們 剛 剛 提 到 的 全 部 都 不 是 企 業 除 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Meta9來討論針對於打詐專法裡頭相關的這些規範執行上怎麼處理那以及跟委員所來幫忙大家在一起支持的電子簽詐法之後如何在打詐專法草案的第30條能夠用\n126267\t155655\t數位簽章或者FIDO或者是其他安全性的技術來驗證所以這些細節的部分應該一邊在你草案同時甚至還有一些執法要討論所以林次長已經有主持會以上報告時間有限感謝你都有達到了剛剛我們這個週末的時候這個在Meta這個平台被洗版看到很多名人接下來其實很多免費的YouTube的用戶也開始被詐騙集團的這些影片廣告給這個投遞那LINE更不用講更是一個大宗\n156115\t183938\t當然我相信這些公司都沒有意要這個協助犯罪者那我想政府也必然有責任要來跟他們一起連結啦那我們另外一個問題也想請教一下這個通查網在建制的時候很可能也是希望大家來通報嘛對不對那讓你們可以查詢有沒有要導入電子簽章或數位身份的驗證行動自然人憑證TWCA的身份驗證讓檢舉人可以更快的驗證檢舉人的身份來幫助你們通知這些平台更快的下架這些廣告\n184218\t205876\t因為這些平台在意的是什麼?到底是不是真正的人在檢舉?有沒有思考過要導入這個?這個當然是如果這個是就是如果我們要驗證通報人的身份當然要用這些工具好謝謝希望考慮一下那同時呢也部長也提到強化數位韌性是你的第二支箭那資安非常重要你們有這個資安檢測協助的服務但是目前只針對企業來提供資安檢測的服務\n210140\t227307\t二零二二年臺大的兩個網站被害二零二三年臺大教務處的網站被害二零二四年期間大高中呢這個這個相關的被害兩萬筆資料流出那有沒有要提供民間團體學校數發部有沒有來輔導這個能不能稍微回應一下我們請那個\n228627\t239995\t那個署長還是那個我們這個當然我們這個我們當然這個治安署跟治安院會對這個有些服務團幫助做一些服務那過去有些績效我是不是請那個署長先說\n241834\t242395\t知安檢測服務網知安檢測服務目前只針對企業提供服務\n260970\t285518\t而且還有30家優惠名額那學校呢?民間團體呢?政府單位呢?我們剛剛提到的全部都不是企業除了政府機關以外我們那個中小企業的部分我們今年會來擴大來協助提供這樣的服務對不起我時間有限我打斷你因為我剛剛問的是政府我不要問中小企業我也沒有要問企業麻煩回去稍微了解一下這個資安檢測服務應該要幫助更多人\n287659\t308438\t第三支箭部長提到數位經濟我想數位經濟這兩字很微妙又有數位又有經濟我在這邊這個過去8年我們作為公民來觀察以及本席上任以來100天的質詢經驗裡面我已經發現只要有一個產業超過一個以上的部位在負責相安無事的時候有錢大家分\n309099\t318645\t但是出事的時候沒有人要扛,最後都在踢皮球。你踢給他,他再踢給你。請問一下部長,數位經濟既然是數位又是經濟,數位部打算怎麼和相關部會分工?\n319636\t322618\t希望注意一下分工那南北AI生態園區有預算規模有實成了嗎?到底是著重軟體還是硬體?\n345368\t360183\t那個我們跟那個國發會的那個劉部長劉主委現在還在討論中不過現在是這樣子就是基本上我們是希望全島都是一個AI島然後這個AI所謂生態園區應該是跨全島而且是軟硬整合\n360563\t368312\t好,真的是有很多事要做,真的拜託這個部長我們一起努力,那最後我問一下這個剛剛我有聽到您的答詢說這個問您說怎麼來這個阻止這個詐騙盛行,您有提到說這個聲音這個被偽造的部分\n379024\t380204\t通關密語方式\n394335\t414276\t應該已經知道公告出來了嘛 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對不對已經公告了但是呢這個我們這個電子簽章法呢這一次有排除電子簽章法的公告原則上路以後一年以後各部會都不可以排除這一年已經開始倒數到今天已經過了13天過了3%了有沒有建立輔導的機制跟掌握時程的規劃對不起主席再借30秒\n謝謝委員其實交通委員會在討論這個的時候那以及呢在立法院這個二堵三堵其實我們都努力的這個來完成這樣的現在有一年的時間來輔導有沒有輔導機制和進度對話因為也有在法案的時候有三個附帶結議那我們會跟訴證師一起來去推動讓各\n政府機關能夠把電子簽章法能夠快速來做導入好如果有的話請提供給本席那也特別希望數發部真的要持續幫忙尤其司法體系真的他們的工作量能應該要用數位來協助同時電子簽章法也已經上路總統也公告了我相信各單位還有所有的民眾也都非常的期待希望我們可以一起努力達到便利民眾便利公務人員的流程減輕工作負擔的任務謝謝謝謝葛如鈞委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.319 --> 00:07.120\n謝 謝 主 席 有 請 黃 彥 男 部 長 備 詢 請 部 長\n\n00:18.872 --> 00:43.272\n王 部 長 好 , 好 久 不 見 其 實 我 們 1 0 多 年 前 就 已 經 見 過 面 了 當 時 我 坐 在 您 旁 邊 有 很 多 的 學 習 很 高 興 今 天 有 機 會 在 交 通 委 員 會 透 過 質 詢 來 跟 您 交 流 那 部 長 今 天 的 業 務 報 告 和 媒 體 專 訪 當 中 都 有 提 到 數 位 部 接 下 來 要 推 出 的 這 個 三 件 啟 發 的 策 略 那 內 容 當 中 有 許 多 方 向 是 與 本 席 的 想 法 相 近 的 同 時 我 也 非 常 肯 定 您 提 到 這 個 數 位 經 濟\n\n00:44.873 --> 01:01.468\n所 以 經 濟 是 A I 未 來 發 展 的 這 個 康 莊 大 道 同 時 也 是 元 宇 宙 的 基 石 我 相 信 這 個 這 幾 支 箭 都 是 非 常 有 希 望 的 那 以 下 就 來 針 對 部 長 的 這 三 支 箭 來 跟 您 交 流 第 一 點 數 位 發 展 部 過 去 在 電 子 信 箱 法 的 修 正 案 的 討 論 過 程 當 中 其 實 非 常 的 支 持\n\n01:02.068 --> 01:19.735\n那 也 說 會 拿 來 打 擊 詐 騙 。 各 界 的 共 識 之 下 也 順 利 的 在 4 月 底 刪 除 通 過 。 那 本 席 非 常 樂 見 這 個 部 長 的 第 一 支 箭 就 是 推 動 打 詐 工 作 。 剛 剛 也 提 到 3 個 月 內 要 成 立 這 個 打 詐 通 查 網 。 那 你 也 提 到 這 個 裡 面 希 望 仰 賴 民 間 業 者 的 協 助 。\n\n01:20.735 --> 01:39.373\n除 了 剛 剛 提 到 的 很 多 廠 商 之 外 , 廣 告 平 台 商 也 是 有 能 力 去 偵 測 詐 騙 帳 號 的 。 如 果 這 些 G A F A 可 以 多 做 一 點 事 情 的 話 , 可 能 會 減 少 很 多 詐 騙 。 請 問 一 下 部 長 , 有 跟 哪 些 平 台 聯 繫 的 ? 因 為 剛 剛 都 零 星 人 有 提 到 , 我 這 邊 就 確 認 一 下 有 跟 哪 些 平 台 聯 繫 的 , 聯 繫 的 進 度 如 何 ? 廣 告 平 台 商\n\n01:41.935 --> 02:04.426\n委 員 報 告 謝 謝 委 員 讓 我 們 有 說 明 的 機 會 其 實 我 們 次 長 上 禮 拜 上 任 第 一 週 禮 拜 五 就 已 經 找 G o o g l e M e t a 9 來 討 論 針 對 於 打 詐 專 法 裡 頭 相 關 的 這 些 規 範 執 行 上 怎 麼 處 理 那 以 及 跟 委 員 所 來 幫 忙 大 家 在 一 起 支 持 的 電 子 簽 詐 法 之 後 如 何 在 打 詐 專 法 草 案 的 第 3 0 條 能 夠 用\n\n02:06.267 --> 02:35.655\n數 位 簽 章 或 者 F I D O 或 者 是 其 他 安 全 性 的 技 術 來 驗 證 所 以 這 些 細 節 的 部 分 應 該 一 邊 在 你 草 案 同 時 甚 至 還 有 一 些 執 法 要 討 論 所 以 林 次 長 已 經 有 主 持 會 以 上 報 告 時 間 有 限 感 謝 你 都 有 達 到 了 剛 剛 我 們 這 個 週 末 的 時 候 這 個 在 M e t a 這 個 平 台 被 洗 版 看 到 很 多 名 人 接 下 來 其 實 很 多 免 費 的 Y o u T u b e 的 用 戶 也 開 始 被 詐 騙 集 團 的 這 些 影 片 廣 告 給 這 個 投 遞 那 L I N E 更 不 用 講 更 是 一 個 大 宗\n\n02:36.115 --> 03:03.938\n當 然 我 相 信 這 些 公 司 都 沒 有 意 要 這 個 協 助 犯 罪 者 那 我 想 政 府 也 必 然 有 責 任 要 來 跟 他 們 一 起 連 結 啦 那 我 們 另 外 一 個 問 題 也 想 請 教 一 下 這 個 通 查 網 在 建 制 的 時 候 很 可 能 也 是 希 望 大 家 來 通 報 嘛 對 不 對 那 讓 你 們 可 以 查 詢 有 沒 有 要 導 入 電 子 簽 章 或 數 位 身 份 的 驗 證 行 動 自 然 人 憑 證 T W C A 的 身 份 驗 證 讓 檢 舉 人 可 以 更 快 的 驗 證 檢 舉 人 的 身 份 來 幫 助 你 們 通 知 這 些 平 台 更 快 的 下 架 這 些 廣 告\n\n03:04.218 --> 03:25.876\n因 為 這 些 平 台 在 意 的 是 什 麼 ? 到 底 是 不 是 真 正 的 人 在 檢 舉 ? 有 沒 有 思 考 過 要 導 入 這 個 ? 這 個 當 然 是 如 果 這 個 是 就 是 如 果 我 們 要 驗 證 通 報 人 的 身 份 當 然 要 用 這 些 工 具 好 謝 謝 希 望 考 慮 一 下 那 同 時 呢 也 部 長 也 提 到 強 化 數 位 韌 性 是 你 的 第 二 支 箭 那 資 安 非 常 重 要 你 們 有 這 個 資 安 檢 測 協 助 的 服 務 但 是 目 前 只 針 對 企 業 來 提 供 資 安 檢 測 的 服 務\n\n03:30.140 --> 03:47.307\n二 零 二 二 年 臺 大 的 兩 個 網 站 被 害 二 零 二 三 年 臺 大 教 務 處 的 網 站 被 害 二 零 二 四 年 期 間 大 高 中 呢 這 個 這 個 相 關 的 被 害 兩 萬 筆 資 料 流 出 那 有 沒 有 要 提 供 民 間 團 體 學 校 數 發 部 有 沒 有 來 輔 導 這 個 能 不 能 稍 微 回 應 一 下 我 們 請 那 個\n\n03:48.627 --> 03:59.995\n那 個 署 長 還 是 那 個 我 們 這 個 當 然 我 們 這 個 我 們 當 然 這 個 治 安 署 跟 治 安 院 會 對 這 個 有 些 服 務 團 幫 助 做 一 些 服 務 那 過 去 有 些 績 效 我 是 不 是 請 那 個 署 長 先 說\n\n04:01.834 --> 04:02.395\n知 安 檢 測 服 務 網 知 安 檢 測 服 務 目 前 只 針 對 企 業 提 供 服 務\n\n04:20.970 --> 04:45.518\n而 且 還 有 3 0 家 優 惠 名 額 那 學 校 呢 ? 民 間 團 體 呢 ? 政 府 單 位 呢 ? 我 們 剛 剛 提 到 的 全 部 都 不 是 企 業 除 了 政 府 機 關 以 外 我 們 那 個 中 小 企 業 的 部 分 我 們 今 年 會 來 擴 大 來 協 助 提 供 這 樣 的 服 務 對 不 起 我 時 間 有 限 我 打 斷 你 因 為 我 剛 剛 問 的 是 政 府 我 不 要 問 中 小 企 業 我 也 沒 有 要 問 企 業 麻 煩 回 去 稍 微 了 解 一 下 這 個 資 安 檢 測 服 務 應 該 要 幫 助 更 多 人\n\n04:47.659 --> 05:08.438\n第 三 支 箭 部 長 提 到 數 位 經 濟 我 想 數 位 經 濟 這 兩 字 很 微 妙 又 有 數 位 又 有 經 濟 我 在 這 邊 這 個 過 去 8 年 我 們 作 為 公 民 來 觀 察 以 及 本 席 上 任 以 來 1 0 0 天 的 質 詢 經 驗 裡 面 我 已 經 發 現 只 要 有 一 個 產 業 超 過 一 個 以 上 的 部 位 在 負 責 相 安 無 事 的 時 候 有 錢 大 家 分\n\n05:09.099 --> 05:18.645\n但 是 出 事 的 時 候 沒 有 人 要 扛 , 最 後 都 在 踢 皮 球 。 你 踢 給 他 , 他 再 踢 給 你 。 請 問 一 下 部 長 , 數 位 經 濟 既 然 是 數 位 又 是 經 濟 , 數 位 部 打 算 怎 麼 和 相 關 部 會 分 工 ?\n\n05:19.636 --> 05:22.618\n希 望 注 意 一 下 分 工 那 南 北 A I 生 態 園 區 有 預 算 規 模 有 實 成 了 嗎 ? 到 底 是 著 重 軟 體 還 是 硬 體 ?\n\n05:45.368 --> 06:00.183\n那 個 我 們 跟 那 個 國 發 會 的 那 個 劉 部 長 劉 主 委 現 在 還 在 討 論 中 不 過 現 在 是 這 樣 子 就 是 基 本 上 我 們 是 希 望 全 島 都 是 一 個 A I 島 然 後 這 個 A I 所 謂 生 態 園 區 應 該 是 跨 全 島 而 且 是 軟 硬 整 合\n\n06:00.563 --> 06:08.312\n好 , 真 的 是 有 很 多 事 要 做 , 真 的 拜 託 這 個 部 長 我 們 一 起 努 力 , 那 最 後 我 問 一 下 這 個 剛 剛 我 有 聽 到 您 的 答 詢 說 這 個 問 您 說 怎 麼 來 這 個 阻 止 這 個 詐 騙 盛 行 , 您 有 提 到 說 這 個 聲 音 這 個 被 偽 造 的 部 分\n\n06:19.024 --> 06:20.204\n通 關 密 語 方 式\n\n06:34.335 --> 06:54.276\n應 該 已 經 知 道 公 告 出 來 了 嘛 對 不 對 已 經 公 告 了 但 是 呢 這 個 我 們 這 個 電 子 簽 章 法 呢 這 一 次 有 排 除 電 子 簽 章 法 的 公 告 原 則 上 路 以 後 一 年 以 後 各 部 會 都 不 可 以 排 除 這 一 年 已 經 開 始 倒 數 到 今 天 已 經 過 了 1 3 天 過 了 3 % 了 有 沒 有 建 立 輔 導 的 機 制 跟 掌 握 時 程 的 規 劃 對 不 起 主 席 再 借 3 0 秒\n\n06:55.718 --> 07:07.128\n謝 謝 委 員 其 實 交 通 委 員 會 在 討 論 這 個 的 時 候 那 以 及 呢 在 立 法 院 這 個 二 堵 三 堵 其 實 我 們 都 努 力 的 這 個 來 完 成 這 樣 的 現 在 有 一 年 的 時 間 來 輔 導 有 沒 有 輔 導 機 制 和 進 度 對 話 因 為 也 有 在 法 案 的 時 候 有 三 個 附 帶 結 議 那 我 們 會 跟 訴 證 師 一 起 來 去 推 動 讓 各\n\n07:16.016 --> 07:40.749\n政 府 機 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