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讓 老 師 能 夠 更 專 業 然 後 讓 學 生 也 能 夠 擴 大 這 一 個 學 生 的 一 些 對 校 務 發 展 的 一 個 參 與 我 想 那 都 是 大 家 都 那 個 方 向 基 本 上 大 家 都 有 一 些 共 識 也 有 一 些 想 法\n\n14\n00:05:00,503 --> 00:05:01,464\n教 育 部 長 鄭 英 耀 列 席 報 告\n\n15\n00:05:23,861 --> 00:05:46,273\n謝 謝 委 員 我 想 那 個 方 向 是 我 們 怎 麼 樣 去 理 解 利 害 關 係 人 相 關 的 一 些 權 益 我 想 那 都 是 用 什 麼 樣 的 一 個 形 式 能 夠 展 現 重 點 是 能 夠 真 正 聽 到 第 一 線 上 不 管 老 師 學 生 或 者 在 大 學 治 理 裡 面 的 實 質 的 經 營 者 的 一 些 聲 音 我 想 我 們 來 努 力\n\n16\n00:05:47,953 --> 00:06:13,340\n謝 謝 部 長 願 意 努 力 另 外 我 也 想 提 醒 部 長 的 是 這 個 私 校 退 場 條 例 2 4 條 版 本 最 近 在 我 們 大 院 被 禁 服 惡 毒 那 外 界 非 常 的 憂 慮 除 了 程 序 上 完 全 跳 過 我 們 過 去 這 個 常 常 都 有 跨 黨 派 共 識 的 教 育 文 化 委 員 會 之 外 外 界 憂 慮 的 是 這 個 版 本 裡 面 在 私 校 列 專 府 後\n\n17\n00:06:13,780 --> 00:06:35,527\n增 加 了 一 年 徵 求 財 團 接 續 辦 學 的 期 間 那 這 會 不 會 讓 財 團 透 過 各 種 租 稅 土 地 優 惠 然 後 累 積 起 來 的 效 產 就 是 變 成 只 是 好 像 沒 有 經 過 很 好 的 評 估 被 奪 取 那 當 然 這 個 有 可 能 是 過 濾 可 是 因 為 沒 有 在 教 育 文 化 委 員 會 裡 面 討 論 那 我 們 擔 心 專 業 度 會 有 問 題 那 這 部 分 也 請 那 個 部 長 要 關 切\n\n18\n00:06:42,169 --> 00:07:04,506\n另 外 一 個 相 關 的 問 題 是 不 知 道 部 長 知 不 知 道 上 個 月 楊 交 大 跟 群 聯 電 子 以 產 學 合 作 的 名 義 在 他 們 的 客 家 學 院 沒 有 需 求 的 情 況 下 破 壞 了 六 家 聚 落 說 要 興 建 大 樓 後 來 是 因 為 師 生 強 烈 抗 議 之 後 才 作 罷 部 長 您 知 道 這 件 事 嗎 ?\n\n19\n00:07:05,778 --> 00:07:20,127\n我 知 道 你 知 道 齁 那 我 想 這 件 事 情 讓 我 們 去 反 思 我 們 過 去 推 動 過 的 產 創 條 例 或 者 是 相 關 的 規 定 是 不 是 也 應 該 要 仔 細 檢 視 因 為 這 個 不 是 單 一 的 個 案 還 有 蠻 多 其 他 的 相 關 爭 議 的 那 當 時 是 一 個 非 常 就 是 用 意 良 好 的 一 個 產 創 條 例 可 是 如 果 變 成 就 是 變 相 的 搶 奪 資 源\n\n20\n00:07:34,215 --> 00:07:54,677\n那 卻 沒 有 產 學 合 作 支 持 的 話 我 想 就 會 失 去 了 當 時 的 這 個 良 好 的 用 意 那 是 不 是 也 請 部 長 注 意 這 件 事 情 把 幾 個 個 案 請 我 們 高 教 司 讓 我 們 也 有 高 教 出 身 的 次 長 一 起 協 僱 好 好 的 檢 視 看 相 關 的 條 例 或 者 是 規 定 有 沒 有 檢 討 的 必 要 好 不 好\n\n21\n00:07:55,932 --> 00:08:18,405\n謝 謝 委 員 提 醒 這 樣 才 講 完 高 教 就 只 剩 兩 分 鐘 了 我 想 國 教 的 部 分 剛 剛 很 多 委 員 都 提 到 了 1 0 8 課 綱 我 個 人 覺 得 執 行 上 他 理 念 初 中 很 好 剛 剛 大 家 都 講 到 執 行 上 學 生 有 很 多 壓 力 多 元 選 修 的 城 鄉 差 距 也 需 要 解 決\n\n22\n00:08:19,325 --> 00:08:34,291\n畢 竟 我 們 是 鼓 勵 學 生 自 我 探 索 可 是 如 何 在 壓 力 不 要 增 加 那 麼 多 的 情 況 下 自 我 探 索 我 覺 得 這 是 相 關 要 去 努 力 的 另 外 我 也 接 受 到 教 師 們 的 陳 情 以 全 教 種 來 講 他 們 看 到 的 是 其 實 他 們 不 少 人 是 已 經 感 受 到 1 0 8 課 綱 的 正 面 的 空 間 只 是 教 師 覺 得 負 擔 過 重\n\n23\n00:08:45,575 --> 00:08:45,595\n﹚ 范 雲\n\n24\n00:09:05,282 --> 00:09:05,602\n委 員 會 委 員 會 委 員 會 委 員 會 委 員 會\n\n25\n00:09:31,241 --> 00:09:47,336\n還 有 最 近 補 教 界 出 現 的 狼 獅 未 來 如 何 跟 校 園 系 統 連 結 這 件 事 情 過 去 我 們 有 努 力 過 也 要 請 教 育 部 進 一 步 關 切 最 後 國 教 的 部 分 我 也 特 別 想 講 校 園 霸 凌 這 個 部 分\n\n26\n00:09:47,856 --> 00:10:08,564\n范 部 長 的 未 經 之 夜 學 生 輔 導 法 本 身 那 可 能 會 對 這 個 霸 凌 的 事 情 我 相 信 能 夠 幫 忙 來 協 助 那 這 部 分 我 們 也 是 為 什 麼 會 希 望 學 生 輔 導 法 能 夠 盡 早 出 來 的 原 因 之 一 好 嗎 好 那 這 部 分 我 講 我 的 關 鍵 那 最 後 剩 一 點 時 間 講 幼 教 其 實 剛 剛 鍾 嘉 賓 委 員 講 的 幼 教 也 就 是 講 第 一 線 現 場 的 問 題 那 本 來 想 問\n\n27\n00:10:15,487 --> 00:10:15,927\n政 府 的 0 到 6 歲 國 家 養 的 政 策 很 好\n\n28\n00:10:36,457 --> 00:10:51,945\n但 是 撒 了 錢 卻 治 標 不 治 本 又 托 工 作 者 還 是 面 臨 三 高 高 工 時 高 情 緒 高 壓 力 三 低 薪 資 低 福 利 低 保 障 低 剛 剛 中 嘉 賓 委 員 的 屏 東 的 資 料 我 們 剛 好 看 到 我 們 補 貼 了 家 長 的 錢 然 後 給 了\n\n29\n00:10:54,927 --> 00:11:16,633\n私 立 的 誘 託 可 是 老 師 的 薪 水 沒 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潘部長說哪兩個不曉得所以他沒有沒有沒有沒有應該跟委員報告我基本上是有一些訊息我並沒有充分掌握是好\n96616\t100419\t沒關係顯然這個部分交接我們還需要繼續努力當天潘部長有上新聞立委范雲關心他要做的事情是學生輔導法營養午餐條例還有大學法那潘部長當時的這三大未完成的重要\n119292\t120013\t部長您是不是可以承諾就是會展開布板的工程\n146977\t160618\t我知道有些你們已經有準備了有些還沒有準備了因為對我們來講我們委員都有版本在立法院裡面一讀通過但是蠻需要教育部全盤的考量到時候一起討論的話我想那個修法可行性才會最高\n162790\t178804\t我想謝謝委員的一個關心那潘部長當時所提到的這個學生輔導法營養午餐條例以及大學法我想他確實都是我們現在對教育學校教育裡邊從不同面向共同關心的一些議題我們會來努力\n180205\t209165\t好 那就請那個教育部積極努力那能夠及早在準備好的情況下提出來那今天我另外想就三大主軸跟三大教育階段跟您交換意見那對我來講我一直看待教育的話第一個教師權益教師權益沒有顧好的話教育就很難做好第二個當然就是學生的受教權要如何讓學生安心學習第三個就是我們的制度環境\n210406\t228592\t教育階段我想您也非常了解我們有高教就是我們新來的次長還有國教兩位都會協助您高教國教另外還有教育部還有一個右教所以我想就這三大主軸跟三大教育跟您交換意見首先當然就是高教那高教\n229492\t254028\t剛剛已經提到了就是大學這個治理的法制目前不只是學生不滿意教育團體教師也不滿意甚至校長也其實都有一些也許跟教師跟學生方向不一樣可是也都覺得有蠻多議題需要就大學治理的方式能夠有討論那之前潘部長跟劉次長最後一次被選的時候有答應說會去規劃高教國式會議\n258210\t275678\t還答應要納入交接清單要請新部長來研議不知道那個交接清單你有收到嗎藉由高教國式會議廣邀教育團體大學教師然後校長和學生一起來討論看看能不能達成共識\n277264\t299502\t我想高等教育從我當時在擔任中山大學校長的時候大概大家都有一些想像怎麼讓老師能夠更專業然後讓學生也能夠擴大這一個學生的一些對校務發展的一個參與我想那都是大家都那個方向基本上大家都有一些共識也有一些想法\n300503\t301464\t教育部長鄭英耀列席報告\n323861\t346273\t謝謝委員我想那個方向是我們怎麼樣去理解利害關係人相關的一些權益我想那都是用什麼樣的一個形式能夠展現重點是能夠真正聽到第一線上不管老師學生或者在大學治理裡面的實質的經營者的一些聲音我想我們來努力\n347953\t373340\t謝謝部長願意努力另外我也想提醒部長的是這個私校退場條例24條版本最近在我們大院被禁服惡毒那外界非常的憂慮除了程序上完全跳過我們過去這個常常都有跨黨派共識的教育文化委員會之外外界憂慮的是這個版本裡面在私校列專府後\n373780\t395527\t增加了一年徵求財團接續辦學的期間那這會不會讓財團透過各種租稅土地優惠然後累積起來的效產就是變成只是好像沒有經過很好的評估被奪取那當然這個有可能是過濾可是因為沒有在教育文化委員會裡面討論那我們擔心專業度會有問題那這部分也請那個部長要關切\n402169\t424506\t另外一個相關的問題是不知道部長知不知道上個月楊交大跟群聯電子以產學合作的名義在他們的客家學院沒有需求的情況下破壞了六家聚落說要興建大樓後來是因為師生強烈抗議之後才作罷部長您知道這件事嗎?\n425778\t440127\t我知道你知道齁那我想這件事情讓我們去反思我們過去推動過的產創條例或者是相關的規定是不是也應該要仔細檢視因為這個不是單一的個案還有蠻多其他的相關爭議的那當時是一個非常就是用意良好的一個產創條例可是如果變成就是變相的搶奪資源\n454215\t474677\t那卻沒有產學合作支持的話我想就會失去了當時的這個良好的用意那是不是也請部長注意這件事情把幾個個案請我們高教司讓我們也有高教出身的次長一起協僱好好的檢視看相關的條例或者是規定有沒有檢討的必要好不好\n475932\t498405\t謝謝委員提醒這樣才講完高教就只剩兩分鐘了我想國教的部分剛剛很多委員都提到了108課綱我個人覺得執行上他理念初中很好剛剛大家都講到執行上學生有很多壓力多元選修的城鄉差距也需要解決\n499325\t514291\t畢竟我們是鼓勵學生自我探索可是如何在壓力不要增加那麼多的情況下自我探索我覺得這是相關要去努力的另外我也接受到教師們的陳情以全教種來講他們看到的是其實他們不少人是已經感受到108課綱的正面的空間只是教師覺得負擔過重\n525575\t525595\t﹚范雲\n545282\t545602\t委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會\n571241\t587336\t還有最近補教界出現的狼獅未來如何跟校園系統連結這件事情過去我們有努力過也要請教育部進一步關切最後國教的部分我也特別想講校園霸凌這個部分\n587856\t608564\t范部長的未經之夜學生輔導法本身那可能會對這個霸凌的事情我相信能夠幫忙來協助那這部分我們也是為什麼會希望學生輔導法能夠盡早出來的原因之一好嗎好那這部分我講我的關鍵那最後剩一點時間講幼教其實剛剛鍾嘉賓委員講的幼教也就是講第一線現場的問題那本來想問\n615487\t615927\t政府的0到6歲國家養的政策很好\n636457\t651945\t但是撒了錢卻治標不治本又托工作者還是面臨三高高工時高情緒高壓力三低薪資低福利低保障低剛剛中嘉賓委員的屏東的資料我們剛好看到我們補貼了家長的錢然後給了\n654927\t676633\t私立的誘託可是老師的薪水沒有漲錢拿去付房租了這是一個蠻大的問題回到剛講的如果老師的勞動環境不好影響教師那也會造成不當對待所以虐童案頻傳我們如果仔細去看的話其實都是以私立的誘託為主\n678473\t700520\t﹏﹏﹏\n700520\t701340\t我想謝謝委員的一個指導\n717363\t742637\t對﹖\n742757\t742777\t謝謝謝謝委員\n772585\t772605\t范雲\n","txt":"請教育部長鄭英耀列席報告業務概況．\n首先我想您應該有看到新聞我有看到剛剛委員也問過您要做的三件事那我想您要做的三件事都蠻好的那我在潘部長最後一次備詢的時候我有問他說潘部長有哪三大修法是您想完成卻未完成的就是未盡之業那不知道您有沒有看到這個新聞鄭部長\n是跟委員報告有那您知道他講的那個三大他想要修但是來不及完成的法是哪三法嗎答錯沒關係我只是想說不曉得您知不知道一個是應該是學生心理對學夫法那一個是青年\n我主要印象比較深刻的是在心理 心理輔導法一個是學輔法對那另外兩個是哪兩個 潘部長說哪兩個不曉得所以他沒有沒有沒有沒有應該跟委員報告我基本上是有一些訊息我並沒有充分掌握是好\n沒關係顯然這個部分交接我們還需要繼續努力當天潘部長有上新聞立委范雲關心他要做的事情是學生輔導法營養午餐條例還有大學法那潘部長當時的這三大未完成的重要\n部長您是不是可以承諾就是會展開布板的工程\n我知道有些你們已經有準備了有些還沒有準備了因為對我們來講我們委員都有版本在立法院裡面一讀通過但是蠻需要教育部全盤的考量到時候一起討論的話我想那個修法可行性才會最高\n我想謝謝委員的一個關心那潘部長當時所提到的這個學生輔導法營養午餐條例以及大學法我想他確實都是我們現在對教育學校教育裡邊從不同面向共同關心的一些議題我們會來努力\n好 那就請那個教育部積極努力那能夠及早在準備好的情況下提出來那今天我另外想就三大主軸跟三大教育階段跟您交換意見那對我來講我一直看待教育的話第一個教師權益教師權益沒有顧好的話教育就很難做好第二個當然就是學生的受教權要如何讓學生安心學習第三個就是我們的制度環境\n教育階段我想您也非常了解我們有高教就是我們新來的次長還有國教兩位都會協助您高教國教另外還有教育部還有一個右教所以我想就這三大主軸跟三大教育跟您交換意見首先當然就是高教那高教\n剛剛已經提到了就是大學這個治理的法制目前不只是學生不滿意教育團體教師也不滿意甚至校長也其實都有一些也許跟教師跟學生方向不一樣可是也都覺得有蠻多議題需要就大學治理的方式能夠有討論那之前潘部長跟劉次長最後一次被選的時候有答應說會去規劃高教國式會議\n還答應要納入交接清單要請新部長來研議不知道那個交接清單你有收到嗎藉由高教國式會議廣邀教育團體大學教師然後校長和學生一起來討論看看能不能達成共識\n我想高等教育從我當時在擔任中山大學校長的時候大概大家都有一些想像怎麼讓老師能夠更專業然後讓學生也能夠擴大這一個學生的一些對校務發展的一個參與我想那都是大家都那個方向基本上大家都有一些共識也有一些想法\n教育部長鄭英耀列席報告\n謝謝委員我想那個方向是我們怎麼樣去理解利害關係人相關的一些權益我想那都是用什麼樣的一個形式能夠展現重點是能夠真正聽到第一線上不管老師學生或者在大學治理裡面的實質的經營者的一些聲音我想我們來努力\n謝謝部長願意努力另外我也想提醒部長的是這個私校退場條例24條版本最近在我們大院被禁服惡毒那外界非常的憂慮除了程序上完全跳過我們過去這個常常都有跨黨派共識的教育文化委員會之外外界憂慮的是這個版本裡面在私校列專府後\n增加了一年徵求財團接續辦學的期間那這會不會讓財團透過各種租稅土地優惠然後累積起來的效產就是變成只是好像沒有經過很好的評估被奪取那當然這個有可能是過濾可是因為沒有在教育文化委員會裡面討論那我們擔心專業度會有問題那這部分也請那個部長要關切\n另外一個相關的問題是不知道部長知不知道上個月楊交大跟群聯電子以產學合作的名義在他們的客家學院沒有需求的情況下破壞了六家聚落說要興建大樓後來是因為師生強烈抗議之後才作罷部長您知道這件事嗎?\n我知道你知道齁那我想這件事情讓我們去反思我們過去推動過的產創條例或者是相關的規定是不是也應該要仔細檢視因為這個不是單一的個案還有蠻多其他的相關爭議的那當時是一個非常就是用意良好的一個產創條例可是如果變成就是變相的搶奪資源\n那卻沒有產學合作支持的話我想就會失去了當時的這個良好的用意那是不是也請部長注意這件事情把幾個個案請我們高教司讓我們也有高教出身的次長一起協僱好好的檢視看相關的條例或者是規定有沒有檢討的必要好不好\n謝謝委員提醒這樣才講完高教就只剩兩分鐘了我想國教的部分剛剛很多委員都提到了108課綱我個人覺得執行上他理念初中很好剛剛大家都講到執行上學生有很多壓力多元選修的城鄉差距也需要解決\n畢竟我們是鼓勵學生自我探索可是如何在壓力不要增加那麼多的情況下自我探索我覺得這是相關要去努力的另外我也接受到教師們的陳情以全教種來講他們看到的是其實他們不少人是已經感受到108課綱的正面的空間只是教師覺得負擔過重\n﹚范雲\n委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會\n還有最近補教界出現的狼獅未來如何跟校園系統連結這件事情過去我們有努力過也要請教育部進一步關切最後國教的部分我也特別想講校園霸凌這個部分\n范部長的未經之夜學生輔導法本身那可能會對這個霸凌的事情我相信能夠幫忙來協助那這部分我們也是為什麼會希望學生輔導法能夠盡早出來的原因之一好嗎好那這部分我講我的關鍵那最後剩一點時間講幼教其實剛剛鍾嘉賓委員講的幼教也就是講第一線現場的問題那本來想問\n政府的0到6歲國家養的政策很好\n但是撒了錢卻治標不治本又托工作者還是面臨三高高工時高情緒高壓力三低薪資低福利低保障低剛剛中嘉賓委員的屏東的資料我們剛好看到我們補貼了家長的錢然後給了\n私立的誘託可是老師的薪水沒有漲錢拿去付房租了這是一個蠻大的問題回到剛講的如果老師的勞動環境不好影響教師那也會造成不當對待所以虐童案頻傳我們如果仔細去看的話其實都是以私立的誘託為主\n﹏﹏﹏\n我想謝謝委員的一個指導\n對﹖\n謝謝謝謝委員\n范雲\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:01.430\n請 教 育 部 長 鄭 英 耀 列 席 報 告 業 務 概 況 ．\n\n00:30.579 --> 00:53.836\n首 先 我 想 您 應 該 有 看 到 新 聞 我 有 看 到 剛 剛 委 員 也 問 過 您 要 做 的 三 件 事 那 我 想 您 要 做 的 三 件 事 都 蠻 好 的 那 我 在 潘 部 長 最 後 一 次 備 詢 的 時 候 我 有 問 他 說 潘 部 長 有 哪 三 大 修 法 是 您 想 完 成 卻 未 完 成 的 就 是 未 盡 之 業 那 不 知 道 您 有 沒 有 看 到 這 個 新 聞 鄭 部 長\n\n00:56.796 --> 01:14.863\n是 跟 委 員 報 告 有 那 您 知 道 他 講 的 那 個 三 大 他 想 要 修 但 是 來 不 及 完 成 的 法 是 哪 三 法 嗎 答 錯 沒 關 係 我 只 是 想 說 不 曉 得 您 知 不 知 道 一 個 是 應 該 是 學 生 心 理 對 學 夫 法 那 一 個 是 青 年\n\n01:18.689 --> 01:36.296\n我 主 要 印 象 比 較 深 刻 的 是 在 心 理 心 理 輔 導 法 一 個 是 學 輔 法 對 那 另 外 兩 個 是 哪 兩 個 潘 部 長 說 哪 兩 個 不 曉 得 所 以 他 沒 有 沒 有 沒 有 沒 有 應 該 跟 委 員 報 告 我 基 本 上 是 有 一 些 訊 息 我 並 沒 有 充 分 掌 握 是 好\n\n01:36.616 --> 01:40.419\n沒 關 係 顯 然 這 個 部 分 交 接 我 們 還 需 要 繼 續 努 力 當 天 潘 部 長 有 上 新 聞 立 委 范 雲 關 心 他 要 做 的 事 情 是 學 生 輔 導 法 營 養 午 餐 條 例 還 有 大 學 法 那 潘 部 長 當 時 的 這 三 大 未 完 成 的 重 要\n\n01:59.292 --> 02:00.013\n部 長 您 是 不 是 可 以 承 諾 就 是 會 展 開 布 板 的 工 程\n\n02:26.977 --> 02:40.618\n我 知 道 有 些 你 們 已 經 有 準 備 了 有 些 還 沒 有 準 備 了 因 為 對 我 們 來 講 我 們 委 員 都 有 版 本 在 立 法 院 裡 面 一 讀 通 過 但 是 蠻 需 要 教 育 部 全 盤 的 考 量 到 時 候 一 起 討 論 的 話 我 想 那 個 修 法 可 行 性 才 會 最 高\n\n02:42.790 --> 02:58.804\n我 想 謝 謝 委 員 的 一 個 關 心 那 潘 部 長 當 時 所 提 到 的 這 個 學 生 輔 導 法 營 養 午 餐 條 例 以 及 大 學 法 我 想 他 確 實 都 是 我 們 現 在 對 教 育 學 校 教 育 裡 邊 從 不 同 面 向 共 同 關 心 的 一 些 議 題 我 們 會 來 努 力\n\n03:00.205 --> 03:29.165\n好 那 就 請 那 個 教 育 部 積 極 努 力 那 能 夠 及 早 在 準 備 好 的 情 況 下 提 出 來 那 今 天 我 另 外 想 就 三 大 主 軸 跟 三 大 教 育 階 段 跟 您 交 換 意 見 那 對 我 來 講 我 一 直 看 待 教 育 的 話 第 一 個 教 師 權 益 教 師 權 益 沒 有 顧 好 的 話 教 育 就 很 難 做 好 第 二 個 當 然 就 是 學 生 的 受 教 權 要 如 何 讓 學 生 安 心 學 習 第 三 個 就 是 我 們 的 制 度 環 境\n\n03:30.406 --> 03:48.592\n教 育 階 段 我 想 您 也 非 常 了 解 我 們 有 高 教 就 是 我 們 新 來 的 次 長 還 有 國 教 兩 位 都 會 協 助 您 高 教 國 教 另 外 還 有 教 育 部 還 有 一 個 右 教 所 以 我 想 就 這 三 大 主 軸 跟 三 大 教 育 跟 您 交 換 意 見 首 先 當 然 就 是 高 教 那 高 教\n\n03:49.492 --> 04:14.028\n剛 剛 已 經 提 到 了 就 是 大 學 這 個 治 理 的 法 制 目 前 不 只 是 學 生 不 滿 意 教 育 團 體 教 師 也 不 滿 意 甚 至 校 長 也 其 實 都 有 一 些 也 許 跟 教 師 跟 學 生 方 向 不 一 樣 可 是 也 都 覺 得 有 蠻 多 議 題 需 要 就 大 學 治 理 的 方 式 能 夠 有 討 論 那 之 前 潘 部 長 跟 劉 次 長 最 後 一 次 被 選 的 時 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