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上 的 觀 察 那 還 有 剛 剛 范 議 員 的 質 詢 內 容 裡 面 有 提 到 全 教 總 也 有 發 布 一 個 消 息 是 七 成 的 老 師 喊 負 擔 重 那 以 這 個 我 在 第 一 線 上 觀 察 到 很 多 家 長 高 中 生 的 家 長 或 者 是 國 教 的 這 些 孩 子 的 家 長 事 實 上 他 們 也 認 為 說\n\n7\n00:02:06,674 --> 00:02:30,553\n1 0 8 課 綱 當 時 我 們 認 為 要 教 育 改 革 就 要 解 除 所 謂 的 軍 備 競 賽 可 是 到 目 前 我 們 在 實 務 面 上 看 我 不 知 道 臺 北 如 何 啦 起 碼 我 們 在 中 南 部 看 到 的 這 個 軍 備 競 賽 的 一 個 狀 況 沒 有 解 除 甚 至 更 加 重 那 不 僅 僅 是 孩 子 累 家 長 也 跟 著 累 那 如 果 按 照 全 教 總 說 七 成 的 老 師 也 認 為 負 擔 重 那 孩 子 也 認 為 他 加 重 了\n\n8\n00:02:31,374 --> 00:02:38,121\n家 長 也 認 為 他 累 了 那 請 問 一 下 我 們 與 時 俱 進 的 一 個 滾 動 要 如 何 來 面 對 因 應 這 樣 的 狀 況 部 長 其 實 我 們 也 聽 到 第 一 線 上 的 一 些 老 師 的 聲 音 包 括 家 長 所 以 也 跟 委 員 報 告 這 一 次 為 什 麼 我 後 來 這 個 決 定 挺 身 而 出 決 定 挺 身 而 出 來 但 是 部 長 這 是 你 一 個 重 責 大 任 之 一 對 不 對\n\n9\n00:02:55,618 --> 00:03:02,128\n我 希 望 我 們 有 很 多 有 理 想 的 人 他 能 夠 大 家 一 起 來 這 個 守 護 這 個 台 灣 的 教 育 讓 他 家 長 少 一 點 擔 心 老 師 能 夠 少 一 點 壓 力 學 生 也 能 夠 更 安 心 的 學 習 要 做 到 這 三 者 真 的 不 容 易\n\n10\n00:03:12,102 --> 00:03:14,523\n以 剛 剛 很 多 委 員 都 討 論 過 的 這 個 學 習 歷 程 來 看 的 話 事 實 上 我 們 在 講 的 教 育 平 權 軍 備 競 賽 這 兩 大 這 個 我 們 認 為 的 目 標 第 一 個 要 讓 教 育 平 權 要 減 輕 軍 備 競 賽 但 是 以 學 習 歷 程 的 這 個 議 題 來 講 的 話 事 實 上 要 做 到 不 容 易 部 長\n\n11\n00:03:33,328 --> 00:03:54,055\n有 期 的 在 呃 對 不 起 我 不 能 幫 南 部 發 言 我 身 在 中 部 喔 那 在 中 部 我 們 看 到 的 學 習 歷 程 的 這 個 不 管 是 準 備 從 高 中 高 中 端 的 準 備 到 家 長 為 孩 子 的 準 備 到 可 能 還 要 到 正 規 教 育 以 外 的 民 間 教 育 產 業 裡 面 的 準 備 這 方 方 面 面\n\n12\n00:03:54,855 --> 00:03:55,195\n我 想 有\n\n13\n00:04:24,980 --> 00:04:41,641\n部 份 的 包 括 從 課 程 或 者 從 剛 才 委 員 所 提 的 這 個 學 習 歷 程 我 相 信 有 一 些 東 西 我 們 確 實 是 可 以 調 整 的 比 如 剛 才 也 有 許 多 委 員 關 心 這 個 你 高 一 高 二 他 可 能 會 興 趣 上 會 有 一 些 改 變\n\n14\n00:04:42,302 --> 00:05:06,670\n那 我 們 怎 麼 樣 讓 整 個 這 個 機 制 能 夠 考 慮 到 學 生 的 一 些 更 多 的 一 些 發 展 跟 興 趣 上 的 一 個 改 變 我 想 這 都 是 我 們 可 以 這 個 就 牽 涉 到 我 講 的 城 鄉 差 距 裡 面 學 校 高 中 端 的 資 源 夠 不 夠 這 個 我 們 是 不 是 還 有 機 會 再 來 討 論 好 不 好 4 分 鐘 到 了 我 知 道 主 席 站 起 來 了 這 很 重 要 部 長 你 挺 身 而 出 來 擔 任 部 長 就 是 要 解 決 剛 剛 講 的 這 些 問 題 我 們 期 待 謝 謝\n\n15\n00:05:10,392 --> 00:05:14,883\n好 謝 謝 部 長 那 部 長 我 們 就 繼 續 了 我 們 中 間 不 休 息 的 我 們 就 繼 續 了 可 以 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--> 00:00.973\n請 教 育 部 部 長 鄭 英 耀\n\n00:10.950 --> 00:13.752\n部 長 辛 苦 了 謝 謝 委 員 因 為 我 只 有 4 分 鐘 我 就 專 注 再 跟 您 討 教 一 下 就 是 國 教 部 分 剛 剛 其 實 范 雲 委 員 有 點 到 國 教 裡 面 對 1 0 8 課 綱 我 們 現 在 實 行 到 現 在 第 5 年 那 我 就 想 請 教 部 長 一 下 你 個 人 對 1 0 8 課 綱 到 現 在 第 5 年 你 的 看 法 如 何\n\n00:35.779 --> 00:36.099\n有 理 想 有 價 值\n\n00:54.180 --> 01:14.614\n我 肯 定 這 是 1 0 8 課 綱 我 們 認 為 應 該 給 我 們 新 世 代 的 孩 子 未 來 的 台 灣 的 學 子 要 有 一 個 學 習 自 主 獨 立 甚 至 讓 他 的 這 個 理 想 價 值 夢 想 可 以 透 過 1 0 8 課 綱 一 步 一 步 的 自 我 實 現 但 是 呢 理 想 價 值 跟\n\n01:16.075 --> 01:29.065\n實 際 的 狀 況 有 沒 有 落 差 部 長 我 同 意 有 部 分 的 在 人 才 培 育 裡 面 他 確 實 有 需 要 去 與 時 俱 進 去 做 一 些 調 整 所 以 我 現 在 就 是 要 建 議 部 長 是 不 是 我 們 1 0 8 課 綱 裡 面 的 滾 動 式 的 一 個 與 時 俱 進 的 一 個 檢 討 是 不 是 應 該 我 們 把 它 列 為 是 部 裡 面 應 該 最 要 緊 的 事 情\n\n01:38.092 --> 02:03.211\n我 想 我 們 內 部 事 實 上 整 個 團 隊 都 已 經 有 把 因 為 剛 剛 就 我 在 第 一 線 上 的 觀 察 那 還 有 剛 剛 范 議 員 的 質 詢 內 容 裡 面 有 提 到 全 教 總 也 有 發 布 一 個 消 息 是 七 成 的 老 師 喊 負 擔 重 那 以 這 個 我 在 第 一 線 上 觀 察 到 很 多 家 長 高 中 生 的 家 長 或 者 是 國 教 的 這 些 孩 子 的 家 長 事 實 上 他 們 也 認 為 說\n\n02:06.674 --> 02:30.553\n1 0 8 課 綱 當 時 我 們 認 為 要 教 育 改 革 就 要 解 除 所 謂 的 軍 備 競 賽 可 是 到 目 前 我 們 在 實 務 面 上 看 我 不 知 道 臺 北 如 何 啦 起 碼 我 們 在 中 南 部 看 到 的 這 個 軍 備 競 賽 的 一 個 狀 況 沒 有 解 除 甚 至 更 加 重 那 不 僅 僅 是 孩 子 累 家 長 也 跟 著 累 那 如 果 按 照 全 教 總 說 七 成 的 老 師 也 認 為 負 擔 重 那 孩 子 也 認 為 他 加 重 了\n\n02:31.374 --> 02:38.121\n家 長 也 認 為 他 累 了 那 請 問 一 下 我 們 與 時 俱 進 的 一 個 滾 動 要 如 何 來 面 對 因 應 這 樣 的 狀 況 部 長 其 實 我 們 也 聽 到 第 一 線 上 的 一 些 老 師 的 聲 音 包 括 家 長 所 以 也 跟 委 員 報 告 這 一 次 為 什 麼 我 後 來 這 個 決 定 挺 身 而 出 決 定 挺 身 而 出 來 但 是 部 長 這 是 你 一 個 重 責 大 任 之 一 對 不 對\n\n02:55.618 --> 03:02.128\n我 希 望 我 們 有 很 多 有 理 想 的 人 他 能 夠 大 家 一 起 來 這 個 守 護 這 個 台 灣 的 教 育 讓 他 家 長 少 一 點 擔 心 老 師 能 夠 少 一 點 壓 力 學 生 也 能 夠 更 安 心 的 學 習 要 做 到 這 三 者 真 的 不 容 易\n\n03:12.102 --> 03:14.523\n以 剛 剛 很 多 委 員 都 討 論 過 的 這 個 學 習 歷 程 來 看 的 話 事 實 上 我 們 在 講 的 教 育 平 權 軍 備 競 賽 這 兩 大 這 個 我 們 認 為 的 目 標 第 一 個 要 讓 教 育 平 權 要 減 輕 軍 備 競 賽 但 是 以 學 習 歷 程 的 這 個 議 題 來 講 的 話 事 實 上 要 做 到 不 容 易 部 長\n\n03:33.328 --> 03:54.055\n有 期 的 在 呃 對 不 起 我 不 能 幫 南 部 發 言 我 身 在 中 部 喔 那 在 中 部 我 們 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