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來\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2196\t5119\t謝謝主席啊部長有請好請部長謝謝委員部長辛苦了午安啊這個因為時間只有4分鐘啊這教育題目這個暴露萬象我們今天聚焦一個題目本席非常關心台灣技職教育的未來所以今天這花這4分鐘的時間我們就討論技職教育就好了這個\n27239\t50726\t我看你們的報告內容大體上來講談技職教育大部分都還是在寫這個私立技職大專院校等等的轉型跟退場的機制這看起來是新政府的一個施政重點但是我想請問一下部長我們開放式給你一分鐘的時間來回答如果讓你點出台灣技職教育現在面對的三個最重大的問題的話你會把哪三件事情視為最重大的問題來請部長回答\n52711\t67438\t我覺得我們即使因為現在確實面臨到少子化的挑戰那我們過去所定的還是學校的一個形態是在招18歲的這一個高中畢業生高中子的畢業生我覺得也許我們在未來\n69019\t69920\t對第一個問題是少子化對不對學生人數可能不夠的問題對不對\n86311\t108000\t好來還有沒有其他的問題我想另外一個就是說我們整個在課程裡面當然隨著產業的一個快速的一個發展我們怎麼樣在人才培育雖然大學不管基專院校或者普通大學他的一個人才培育不是只是為這個就業做準備但是相當程度我們怎麼樣讓\n108940\t109060\t第3個問題勒\n127332\t156475\t第三個問題我覺得我們也許可以更積極來思考讓私校鼓勵私校不要再有太多的這些堅韌的老師應該要有更多的一些專業老師讓他能夠在整個教育品質上在學生的一個受效權上能夠更多的不僅只是上課他還能夠有一些許多非課堂上的一些互動跟學習好所以第三個是私校的轉型跟教育品質提升的問題\n157276\t183128\t不錯我覺得部長這樣回答算有準備但沒關係我們今天第一次質詢我們做政策對話本席的了解我們也自己做了一些功課我提了三個問題其實有些一樣有些小落差第一個叫學生逐年遞減的問題那加上產業基層缺工的問題這個從數字上可以來看基本上現在高中生的比重已經超過高職生的比重雖然兩者都因為少子化正在下滑這是第一個問題也就是說大家現在都是慢慢慢慢往升學的方向去走這個願意\n184989\t205868\t好好的在技職體系裡面蹲點的其實數量是變少的我想這是臺灣技職教育面對的第一個大的挑戰大的問題那麼第二個問題這個本期發現叫做政府投入在高等技職教育的資源其實跟投入在一般大學裡面它其實是有蠻大的落差它有蠻大的落差這些數字的資料會我們用書面的方式提供給教育部做參考\n206588\t230448\t這是我認為的第二個問題施衡的問題重視大學但相對來講比較不重視技職的教育第三個問題是技職體系的學術化的問題導致技職教育的定位走向模糊的問題也就是說其實很多的技職生大概接近八成左右基本上進了高職體系他還是想我怎麼樣考上一個科技大學或怎麼樣他還是走向升學的方向但相對來講定位就很模糊\n230828\t232769\t希望教育部長做好準備我們後續做深入的研討好嗎?\n258541\t259704\t謝謝我們4分鐘應該沒有差太久謝謝謝謝牛委員的準時很好來\n","txt":"謝謝主席啊部長有請好請部長謝謝委員部長辛苦了午安啊這個因為時間只有4分鐘啊這教育題目這個暴露萬象我們今天聚焦一個題目本席非常關心台灣技職教育的未來所以今天這花這4分鐘的時間我們就討論技職教育就好了這個\n我看你們的報告內容大體上來講談技職教育大部分都還是在寫這個私立技職大專院校等等的轉型跟退場的機制這看起來是新政府的一個施政重點但是我想請問一下部長我們開放式給你一分鐘的時間來回答如果讓你點出台灣技職教育現在面對的三個最重大的問題的話你會把哪三件事情視為最重大的問題來請部長回答\n我覺得我們即使因為現在確實面臨到少子化的挑戰那我們過去所定的還是學校的一個形態是在招18歲的這一個高中畢業生高中子的畢業生我覺得也許我們在未來\n對第一個問題是少子化對不對學生人數可能不夠的問題對不對\n好來還有沒有其他的問題我想另外一個就是說我們整個在課程裡面當然隨著產業的一個快速的一個發展我們怎麼樣在人才培育雖然大學不管基專院校或者普通大學他的一個人才培育不是只是為這個就業做準備但是相當程度我們怎麼樣讓\n第3個問題勒\n第三個問題我覺得我們也許可以更積極來思考讓私校鼓勵私校不要再有太多的這些堅韌的老師應該要有更多的一些專業老師讓他能夠在整個教育品質上在學生的一個受效權上能夠更多的不僅只是上課他還能夠有一些許多非課堂上的一些互動跟學習好所以第三個是私校的轉型跟教育品質提升的問題\n不錯我覺得部長這樣回答算有準備但沒關係我們今天第一次質詢我們做政策對話本席的了解我們也自己做了一些功課我提了三個問題其實有些一樣有些小落差第一個叫學生逐年遞減的問題那加上產業基層缺工的問題這個從數字上可以來看基本上現在高中生的比重已經超過高職生的比重雖然兩者都因為少子化正在下滑這是第一個問題也就是說大家現在都是慢慢慢慢往升學的方向去走這個願意\n好好的在技職體系裡面蹲點的其實數量是變少的我想這是臺灣技職教育面對的第一個大的挑戰大的問題那麼第二個問題這個本期發現叫做政府投入在高等技職教育的資源其實跟投入在一般大學裡面它其實是有蠻大的落差它有蠻大的落差這些數字的資料會我們用書面的方式提供給教育部做參考\n這是我認為的第二個問題施衡的問題重視大學但相對來講比較不重視技職的教育第三個問題是技職體系的學術化的問題導致技職教育的定位走向模糊的問題也就是說其實很多的技職生大概接近八成左右基本上進了高職體系他還是想我怎麼樣考上一個科技大學或怎麼樣他還是走向升學的方向但相對來講定位就很模糊\n希望教育部長做好準備我們後續做深入的研討好嗎?\n謝謝我們4分鐘應該沒有差太久謝謝謝謝牛委員的準時很好來\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.196 --> 00:05.119\n謝 謝 主 席 啊 部 長 有 請 好 請 部 長 謝 謝 委 員 部 長 辛 苦 了 午 安 啊 這 個 因 為 時 間 只 有 4 分 鐘 啊 這 教 育 題 目 這 個 暴 露 萬 象 我 們 今 天 聚 焦 一 個 題 目 本 席 非 常 關 心 台 灣 技 職 教 育 的 未 來 所 以 今 天 這 花 這 4 分 鐘 的 時 間 我 們 就 討 論 技 職 教 育 就 好 了 這 個\n\n00:27.239 --> 00:50.726\n我 看 你 們 的 報 告 內 容 大 體 上 來 講 談 技 職 教 育 大 部 分 都 還 是 在 寫 這 個 私 立 技 職 大 專 院 校 等 等 的 轉 型 跟 退 場 的 機 制 這 看 起 來 是 新 政 府 的 一 個 施 政 重 點 但 是 我 想 請 問 一 下 部 長 我 們 開 放 式 給 你 一 分 鐘 的 時 間 來 回 答 如 果 讓 你 點 出 台 灣 技 職 教 育 現 在 面 對 的 三 個 最 重 大 的 問 題 的 話 你 會 把 哪 三 件 事 情 視 為 最 重 大 的 問 題 來 請 部 長 回 答\n\n00:52.711 --> 01:07.438\n我 覺 得 我 們 即 使 因 為 現 在 確 實 面 臨 到 少 子 化 的 挑 戰 那 我 們 過 去 所 定 的 還 是 學 校 的 一 個 形 態 是 在 招 1 8 歲 的 這 一 個 高 中 畢 業 生 高 中 子 的 畢 業 生 我 覺 得 也 許 我 們 在 未 來\n\n01:09.019 --> 01:09.920\n對 第 一 個 問 題 是 少 子 化 對 不 對 學 生 人 數 可 能 不 夠 的 問 題 對 不 對\n\n01:26.311 --> 01:48.000\n好 來 還 有 沒 有 其 他 的 問 題 我 想 另 外 一 個 就 是 說 我 們 整 個 在 課 程 裡 面 當 然 隨 著 產 業 的 一 個 快 速 的 一 個 發 展 我 們 怎 麼 樣 在 人 才 培 育 雖 然 大 學 不 管 基 專 院 校 或 者 普 通 大 學 他 的 一 個 人 才 培 育 不 是 只 是 為 這 個 就 業 做 準 備 但 是 相 當 程 度 我 們 怎 麼 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