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?\n\n3\n00:00:57,250 --> 00:01:00,636\n但 是 怎 麼 在 今 天 的 報 告 上 面 沒 有 看 到 你 第 一 件 想 要 落 實 的 事 情 ?\n\n4\n00:01:04,042 --> 00:01:12,290\n跟 委 員 報 告 確 實 因 為 剛 上 任 有 許 多 的 這 些 這 一 個 書 面 上 的 一 些 這 個 報 告 我 想 我 們 也 許 還 有 許 多 可 以 經 濟 的 空 間 那 部 長 根 據 我 們 看 到 媒 體 的 報 導 也 就 是 說 是 在 明 年 的 2 月 份 我 們 對 於 陸 生 的 碩 博 士 就 要 來 這 個 簡 章 公 佈 然 後 5 月 份 就 會 放 榜\n\n5\n00:01:28,546 --> 00:01:38,954\n對 於 陸 生 的 學 士 班 在 5 月 份 我 們 會 簡 章 公 佈 7 月 份 會 放 榜 甚 至 於 最 快 可 能 會 7 月 份 就 來 入 學 這 是 真 的 嗎 ? 是 的 , 我 目 前 是 朝 這 個 方 向 在 努 力\n\n6\n00:01:42,864 --> 00:01:43,285\n教 育 部 部 長 鄭 英 耀 列 席\n\n7\n00:01:58,584 --> 00:02:05,714\n呼 應 賴 慶 德 總 統 在 就 職 演 說 來 做 一 個 政 治 性 的 演 出 為 什 麼 本 席 這 樣 說 呢 因 為 其 實 在 1 0 9 年 的 時 候 呢 其 實 陸 方 就 已 經 公 告 暫 停 陸 生 來 台 那 這 個 我 相 信 部 長 您 一 定 知 道 那 在 這 段 時 間 當 中\n\n8\n00:02:15,588 --> 00:02:25,398\n過 去 我 們 蔡 英 文 政 府 時 代 我 們 的 部 長 不 是 沒 有 努 力 過 他 們 也 曾 經 多 次 的 呼 籲 想 進 各 種 的 管 道 那 麼 希 望 對 岸 能 夠 重 新 來 開 放 陸 生 來 台 但 是 都 是 溝 通 無 效 同 時 對 岸 已 讀 不 回\n\n9\n00:02:31,684 --> 00:02:47,854\n現 在 您 這 麼 有 把 握 而 且 連 時 辰 點 做 法 都 出 來 了 那 是 不 是 現 在 我 們 已 經 開 始 進 行 溝 通 了 對 岸 有 開 始 回 了 嗎 而 這 件 事 情 應 該 是 一 個 雙 向 的 事 情 它 不 是 一 個 單 一 的 意 願 所 以 呢 部 長 您 現 在 是 怎 麼 看 待 這 樣 的 事 情\n\n10\n00:02:48,654 --> 00:03:09,454\n是 的 謝 謝 委 員 的 一 個 關 心 我 想 我 們 在 跟 陸 委 會 在 這 個 部 分 我 們 事 實 上 在 合 作 的 那 我 也 同 意 委 員 過 去 確 實 不 管 基 於 什 麼 樣 的 一 個 原 因 但 是 能 夠 讓 兩 岸 有 更 和 平 和 協 的 一 些 發 展 互 動 我 想\n\n11\n00:03:10,114 --> 00:03:20,924\n特 別 是 在 教 育 這 個 區 塊 , 我 們 還 是 希 望 讓 年 輕 人 有 更 多 的 彼 此 透 過 學 習 、 交 流 往 好 的 那 一 個 方 面 來 發 展 。 我 想 這 個 訊 息 出 來 , 我 們 很 多 大 學 端 的 校 長 、 教 授 其 實 都 非 常 樂 見 。\n\n12\n00:03:45,603 --> 00:03:46,323\n教 育 部 推 動 國 際 人 才 教 育 專 班\n\n13\n00:04:06,049 --> 00:04:09,770\n這 是 希 望 我 們 在 1 1 3 年 到 1 1 6 年 能 夠 招 到 1 8 5 6 8 名 外 籍 生 1 8 0 0 0 名 左 右 但 是 我 們 看 到 其 實 過 去 我 們 兩 岸 其 實 在 非 常 和 諧 的 交 流 跟 發 展 的 時 候 陸 生 在 台 灣 累 積 在 台 灣 的 人 數 就 高 達 了 4 1 9 7 5 人 而 現 在 大 概 剩 下 一 成 左 右 所 以 我 們 看 到 這 個 數 字 本 身 是 要 講 其 實 如 果 能 夠 真 的\n\n14\n00:04:34,497 --> 00:04:54,987\n大 家 好 好 溝 通 能 夠 開 放 陸 生 來 台 你 看 我 們 那 麼 辛 苦 做 一 個 心 情 專 班 也 不 會 要 招 一 萬 八 千 多 個 這 個 學 生 而 陸 生 在 我 們 這 個 狀 況 最 好 的 時 候 我 們 看 到 在 巔 峰 四 萬 一 千 多 個 人 我 相 信 這 個 數 字 要 給 這 個 部 長 做 一 個 參 考 那 另 外 當 然 同 時 提 醒 部 長 我 想 從 2 0 1 1 年 開 始 事 實 上 我 們 也 持 續 做 了 很 多 檢 討 放 寬 陸 生 來 台 各 項 很 有 善 很 便 利 的 措 施 非 常 多 項 十 幾 項\n\n15\n00:05:04,372 --> 00:05:22,660\n那 這 些 友 善 的 措 施 部 長 你 都 知 道 是 哪 些 嗎 ? 你 只 要 回 答 我 知 不 知 道 就 好 知 道 嗎 ? 好 那 既 然 我 們 開 放 這 麼 多 這 個 友 善 便 利 的 措 施 那 為 什 麼 這 四 五 年 以 來 始 終 啊 陸 方 還 是 沒 有 辦 法 去 開 放 陸 生 來 台 那 真 正 的 原 因 您 認 為 是 什 麼 ?\n\n16\n00:05:26,113 --> 00:05:37,970\n呃 事 實 上 就 這 一 個 我 事 實 上 是 我 不 方 不 宜 這 個 啊 這 個 猜 測 因 為 從 一 個 教 育 的 觀 點 我 們 就 希 望 能 夠 有 一 個 好 的 一 個 方 向 來 發 展 那 當 然\n\n17\n00:05:40,147 --> 00:05:47,814\n但 是 部 長 我 需 要 提 醒 您 如 果 你 不 方 便 或 是 不 宜 或 是 甚 至 於 不 知 道 為 什 麼 這 問 題 很 嚴 重 那 你 怎 麼 對 症 效 藥 你 怎 麼 說 你 怎 麼 能 夠 說 我 現 在 什 麼 明 年 的 五 月 學 士 班 就 要 這 個 招 生 什 麼 七 月 他 們 就 要 來 你 怎 麼 有 辦 法 那 麼 肯 定 去 對 外 公 布 這 樣 的 事 情 你 甚 至 於 不 知 道 為 什 麼 我 們 有 這 麼 多 便 利 的 措 施 給 他 們 都 不 來\n\n18\n00:06:03,849 --> 00:06:30,835\n不 知 道 問 題 如 何 去 解 決 問 題 我 想 跟 委 員 報 告 事 實 上 這 些 年 來 他 會 有 比 較 明 顯 的 一 個 這 一 個 停 止 雙 方 的 一 些 這 一 個 學 術 或 者 這 一 個 學 習 上 的 交 流 主 要 我 們 知 道 在 這 幾 年 這 幾 年 來 事 實 上 因 為 C O V I D 的 一 個 關 係 使 得 我 們 我 剛 才 有 看 到 您 後 面 這 一 位 不 知 道 哪 一 位 了 他 的 那 個 嘴 形 我 有 看 到 他 提 供 給 您 這 個 答 案 這 樣 不 好 這 樣 不 好 部 長\n\n19\n00:06:33,175 --> 00:06:50,570\n我 想 這 個 嘴 形 太 明 顯 了 啦 那 部 長 要 有 自 己 的 想 法 跟 思 考 但 是 呢 看 起 來 部 長 剛 剛 也 其 實 有 稍 微 脫 口 說 了 其 實 不 方 便 我 相 信 你 有 很 多 不 方 便 可 以 去 說 明 或 是 猜 想 的 一 個 地 方 但 是 本 期 要 提 醒 您 這 個 開 放 路 線 來 台 既 然 賴 清 德 總 統 在 就 職 演 說 這 麼 重 要 的 這 個 場 所 都 在 呼 籲 了 那 過 去 蔡 英 文 總 統 也 呼 籲 賴 清 德 總 統 也 呼 籲\n\n20\n00:06:59,518 --> 00:07:14,358\n錄 委 會 也 呼 籲 , 過 去 的 教 育 部 也 呼 籲 , 您 又 說 這 個 是 您 上 任 最 重 要 的 落 實 的 , 但 是 本 身 要 提 醒 不 能 只 靠 呼 籲 , 如 果 靠 呼 籲 怎 麼 會 過 去 這 四 五 年 來 對 方 已 讀 不 回 , 所 以 您 必 須 要 知 道 真 正 問 題 點 在 哪 裡 , 好 嗎 ?\n\n21\n00:07:16,059 --> 00:07:21,923\n這 樣 才 能 夠 明 年 我 們 可 以 看 到 真 的 這 樣 子 一 個 這 個 宣 誓 是 會 有 進 展 的 那 當 然 我 們 再 來 討 論 我 想 這 2 0 年 來 我 們 在 談 的 就 是 教 改 我 們 的 孩 子 不 斷 的 被 教 改 我 們 的 老 師 不 斷 的 被 迫\n\n22\n00:07:31,849 --> 00:07:39,499\n調 適 一 次 又 一 次 適 應 教 改 的 新 的 制 度 我 們 要 知 道 老 師 孩 子 跟 家 長 真 的 非 常 的 辛 苦 在 這 2 0 年 當 中 那 部 長 您 曾 經 參 與 過 審 議 1 0 8 課 綱 那 所 以 呢 我 們 來 稍 微 討 論 一 下 1 0 8 課 綱 眾 多 面 向 問 題 當 中 的 一 兩 項 那 在 過 去 的 5 年 當 中\n\n23\n00:07:49,352 --> 00:08:02,087\n您 認 為 這 個 學 習 歷 程 檔 案 這 個 制 度 有 沒 有 達 成 我 們 原 本 希 望 幫 孩 子 進 行 生 涯 探 索 還 有 減 輕 孩 子 升 學 壓 力 準 備 這 些 資 料 的 目 標 您 認 為 有 達 到 嗎\n\n24\n00:08:05,404 --> 00:08:22,045\n我 想 那 個 方 向 是 有 價 值 的 但 是 在 執 行 的 過 程 難 免 會 有 一 些 考 慮 不 周 延 的 我 想 我 們 應 該 肯 定 就 一 個 年 輕 學 子 他 們 的 學 習 過 程 裡 邊 那 個 學 習 歷 程 檔 案 他 的 一 個 價 值 性\n\n25\n00:08:22,906 --> 00:08:27,550\n我 相 信 任 何 一 個 制 度 提 出 來 一 定 他 利 益 良 善 也 有 價 值 性 但 是 我 們 來 看 根 據 我 們 學 生 團 體 提 出 來 2 0 2 4 年 1 0 8 課 綱 的 觀 察 報 告 經 過 調 查 竟 然 有 高 達 5 6 . 7 % 的 學 生\n\n26\n00:08:37,597 --> 00:08:50,500\n他 希 望 這 個 學 習 歷 程 檔 案 是 能 夠 符 合 他 申 請 的 科 系 所 以 他 一 直 朝 著 這 個 特 定 方 向 去 做 一 個 準 備 所 以 另 外 還 有 5 5 . 4 1 % 的 學 生 認 為 製 作 學 習 歷 程 檔 案 是 無 助 於 生 涯 探 索 的 所 以 剛 剛 這 個 數 據 顯 現 一 個 什 麼 樣 的 結 果 呢 就 是 我 們 學 習 歷 程 檔 案 再 度 成 為 新 的 升 學 工 具 了\n\n27\n00:09:02,102 --> 00:09:02,502\n我 剛 才 跟 委 員 報 告 的\n\n28\n00:09:22,045 --> 00:09:48,291\n這 個 學 習 歷 程 檔 案 它 確 實 是 有 價 值 的 但 是 怎 麼 樣 去 讓 高 中 生 更 清 楚 然 後 減 少 他 們 不 必 要 的 一 些 擔 憂 這 是 我 們 要 來 努 力 的 好 要 努 力 的 地 方 真 的 還 蠻 多 的 那 我 想 過 去 我 們 在 學 習 歷 程 檔 案 之 前 叫 備 審 資 料 那 我 們 都 知 道 備 審 資 料 每 次 到 高 三 的 時 候 大 家 一 窩 蜂 的 才 來 擠 來 做 把 過 去 的 資 料 把 它 找 出 來\n\n29\n00:09:49,051 --> 00:10:13,190\n甚 至 於 發 生 了 很 多 代 寫 甚 至 於 作 為 商 品 買 賣 在 備 審 資 料 的 時 候 那 現 在 呢 我 們 希 望 來 分 散 這 個 壓 力 所 以 在 高 一 高 二 高 三 然 後 陸 陸 續 續 來 做 可 是 我 們 看 到 高 一 高 二 的 學 生 四 個 學 期 他 有 沒 有 能 力 可 以 把 這 個 學 期 立 正 答 案 做 得 很 好 再 來 他 的 志 向 跟 志 趣 在 高 一 高 二 就 一 定 能 夠 定 下 而 不 改 變 嗎\n\n30\n00:10:14,531 --> 00:10:28,263\n我 相 信 部 長 你 來 自 這 個 大 學 端 喔 你 一 定 知 道 其 實 到 了 高 三 也 許 有 些 孩 子 他 的 志 趣 改 變 了 他 發 現 他 的 這 個 興 趣 在 另 外 的 地 方 了 這 時 候 不 能 更 改 啊 這 時 候 不 能 更 改 那 有 沒 有 辦 法 可 以 解 套 這 樣 的 一 件 事 情\n\n31\n00:10:29,885 --> 00:10:40,771\n我 想 我 非 常 同 意 委 員 剛 才 所 提 的 學 生 在 生 涯 的 一 個 發 展 裡 邊 任 何 一 個 時 刻 都 有 可 能 因 為 學 習 的 一 個 經 驗 對 那 所 以 我 們 可 以 調 整 嗎 他 的 興 趣 可 能 會 改 變 我 想 這 個 細 部 我 這 個 會 後 我 來 更 進 一 步 了 解 我 看 怎 麼 樣 來 做 一 些 可 以 微 調 或 者 怎 麼 樣 來 好 謝 謝 部 長\n\n32\n00:10:54,179 --> 00:10:54,199\n為 什 麼 會 這 樣 ?\n\n33\n00:10:54,199 --> 00:10:54,559\n原 因 你 知 道 嗎 ?\n\n34\n00:11:23,868 --> 00:11:36,803\n我 想 有 一 些 學 校 因 為 大 小 的 規 模 不 同 當 然 師 資 上 本 身 也 會 有 一 些 限 制 我 想 這 個 我 們 怎 麼 樣 在 未 來 結 合 大 學 端 來 看 怎 麼 樣 來 協 助 部 長 我 想\n\n35\n00:11:38,925 --> 00:11:53,257\n您 有 答 對 我 想 失 智 不 足 這 件 事 情 很 嚴 重 所 以 我 們 希 望 會 後 部 長 能 不 能 夠 去 了 解 一 下 我 們 目 前 開 課 數 是 持 續 下 降 失 智 不 足 的 地 方 大 小 不 平 均 的 資 源 到 什 麼 程 度 我 希 望 能 夠 部 長 了 解 以 後 能 夠 跟 本 席 做 一 個 說 明 那 最 後 我 們 談 1 0 8 課 綱 的 問 題 是 非 常 多 上 路 五 年 了 我 們 必 須 要 講 在 準 備 上 面\n\n36\n00:12:03,866 --> 00:12:08,488\n對 於 像 這 個 秩 序 未 定 的 孩 子 們 你 一 次 要 他 定 下 來 我 覺 得 那 個 壓 力 很 大 第 二 個 到 了 以 前 說 這 個 學 期 定 成 檔 案 是 高 山 才 做 可 是 事 實 上 現 在 是 軍 備 競 賽 的 延 長 賽 那 再 來 呢 我 們 採 用 現 在 還 是 以 分 數 為 導 向\n\n37\n00:12:20,254 --> 00:12:40,550\n因 為 我 們 要 知 道 第 一 階 段 沒 有 達 到 一 個 標 準 第 二 階 段 教 授 根 本 不 可 能 看 到 我 們 學 習 歷 程 檔 案 做 了 他 的 目 的 在 哪 裡 最 後 我 想 你 有 沒 有 發 現 一 件 事 情 我 們 現 在 學 用 落 差 一 樣 非 常 嚴 重 如 果 學 習 歷 程 檔 案 是 有 辦 法 探 索 我 們 這 個 學 生 的 這 個 秩 序 的 話 學 用 落 差 就 不 會 那 麼 嚴 重 了 我 期 許 部 長 在 1 1 8 課 綱 我 們 馬 上 1 1 4 年 就 要 檢 討 了 我 們 可 以 把 這 些 問 題 都 帶 進 去 然 後 在 1 1 8 課 綱 的 時 候 我 們 來 審 慎 的 評 估 思 考 好 不 好\n\n38\n00:12:49,618 --> 00:12:49,778\n謝 謝 謝 謝 委 員 的 關 心\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t9933\t美林委員質詢。好,謝謝抓位。我們有請鄭部長。好,鄭部長。部長準備好了嗎?好,那我們就開始囉。好。\n29229\t55168\t部長,我想教育是百年大計也是國家的根本那您現在在這個時刻接下教育部長一職我相信接下的不是只有一個職位而是一個非常神聖的使命那您也說到上任要落實的第一件事情就是要在兩岸尊嚴對等的條件之下讓入生的學衛生來台那麼兩岸的青年恢復交流有助於了解彼此往好的方向發展,對嗎?\n57250\t60636\t但是怎麼在今天的報告上面沒有看到你第一件想要落實的事情?\n64042\t72290\t跟委員報告確實因為剛上任有許多的這些這一個書面上的一些這個報告我想我們也許還有許多可以經濟的空間那部長根據我們看到媒體的報導也就是說是在明年的2月份我們對於陸生的碩博士就要來這個簡章公佈然後5月份就會放榜\n88546\t98954\t對於陸生的學士班在5月份我們會簡章公佈7月份會放榜甚至於最快可能會7月份就來入學這是真的嗎?是的,我目前是朝這個方向在努力\n102864\t103285\t教育部部長鄭英耀列席\n118584\t125714\t呼應賴慶德總統在就職演說來做一個政治性的演出為什麼本席這樣說呢因為其實在109年的時候呢其實陸方就已經公告暫停陸生來台那這個我相信部長您一定知道那在這段時間當中\n135588\t145398\t過去我們蔡英文政府時代我們的部長不是沒有努力過他們也曾經多次的呼籲想進各種的管道那麼希望對岸能夠重新來開放陸生來台但是都是溝通無效同時對岸已讀不回\n151684\t167854\t現在您這麼有把握而且連時辰點做法都出來了那是不是現在我們已經開始進行溝通了對岸有開始回了嗎而這件事情應該是一個雙向的事情它不是一個單一的意願所以呢部長您現在是怎麼看待這樣的事情\n168654\t189454\t是的謝謝委員的一個關心我想我們在跟陸委會在這個部分我們事實上在合作的那我也同意委員過去確實不管基於什麼樣的一個原因但是能夠讓兩岸有更和平和協的一些發展互動我想\n190114\t200924\t特別是在教育這個區塊,我們還是希望讓年輕人有更多的彼此透過學習、交流往好的那一個方面來發展。我想這個訊息出來,我們很多大學端的校長、教授其實都非常樂見。\n209531\t225503\t﹏﹏\n225603\t226323\t教育部推動國際人才教育專班\n246049\t249770\t這是希望我們在113年到116年能夠招到18568名外籍生18000名左右但是我們看到其實過去我們兩岸其實在非常和諧的交流跟發展的時候陸生在台灣累積在台灣的人數就高達了41975人而現在大概剩下一成左右所以我們看到這個數字本身是要講其實如果能夠真的\n274497\t294987\t大家好好溝通能夠開放陸生來台你看我們那麼辛苦做一個心情專班也不會要招一萬八千多個這個學生而陸生在我們這個狀況最好的時候我們看到在巔峰四萬一千多個人我相信這個數字要給這個部長做一個參考那另外當然同時提醒部長我想從2011年開始事實上我們也持續做了很多檢討放寬陸生來台各項很有善很便利的措施非常多項十幾項\n304372\t322660\t那這些友善的措施部長你都知道是哪些嗎?你只要回答我知不知道就好知道嗎?好那既然我們開放這麼多這個友善便利的措施那為什麼這四五年以來始終啊陸方還是沒有辦法去開放陸生來台那真正的原因您認為是什麼?\n326113\t337970\t呃事實上就這一個我事實上是我不方不宜這個啊這個猜測因為從一個教育的觀點我們就希望能夠有一個好的一個方向來發展那當然\n340147\t347814\t但是部長我需要提醒您如果你不方便或是不宜或是甚至於不知道為什麼這問題很嚴重那你怎麼對症效藥你怎麼說你怎麼能夠說我現在什麼明年的五月學士班就要這個招生什麼七月他們就要來你怎麼有辦法那麼肯定去對外公布這樣的事情你甚至於不知道為什麼我們有這麼多便利的措施給他們都不來\n363849\t390835\t不知道問題如何去解決問題我想跟委員報告事實上這些年來他會有比較明顯的一個這一個停止雙方的一些這一個學術或者這一個學習上的交流主要我們知道在這幾年這幾年來事實上因為COVID的一個關係使得我們我剛才有看到您後面這一位不知道哪一位了他的那個嘴形我有看到他提供給您這個答案這樣不好這樣不好部長\n393175\t410570\t我想這個嘴形太明顯了啦那部長要有自己的想法跟思考但是呢看起來部長剛剛也其實有稍微脫口說了其實不方便我相信你有很多不方便可以去說明或是猜想的一個地方但是本期要提醒您這個開放路線來台既然賴清德總統在就職演說這麼重要的這個場所都在呼籲了那過去蔡英文總統也呼籲賴清德總統也呼籲\n419518\t434358\t錄委會也呼籲,過去的教育部也呼籲,您又說這個是您上任最重要的落實的,但是本身要提醒不能只靠呼籲,如果靠呼籲怎麼會過去這四五年來對方已讀不回,所以您必須要知道真正問題點在哪裡,好嗎?\n436059\t441923\t這樣才能夠明年我們可以看到真的這樣子一個這個宣誓是會有進展的那當然我們再來討論我想這20年來我們在談的就是教改我們的孩子不斷的被教改我們的老師不斷的被迫\n451849\t459499\t調適一次又一次適應教改的新的制度我們要知道老師孩子跟家長真的非常的辛苦在這20年當中那部長您曾經參與過審議108課綱那所以呢我們來稍微討論一下108課綱眾多面向問題當中的一兩項那在過去的5年當中\n469352\t482087\t您認為這個學習歷程檔案這個制度有沒有達成我們原本希望幫孩子進行生涯探索還有減輕孩子升學壓力準備這些資料的目標您認為有達到嗎\n485404\t502045\t我想那個方向是有價值的但是在執行的過程難免會有一些考慮不周延的我想我們應該肯定就一個年輕學子他們的學習過程裡邊那個學習歷程檔案他的一個價值性\n502906\t507550\t我相信任何一個制度提出來一定他利益良善也有價值性但是我們來看根據我們學生團體提出來2024年108課綱的觀察報告經過調查竟然有高達56.7%的學生\n517597\t530500\t他希望這個學習歷程檔案是能夠符合他申請的科系所以他一直朝著這個特定方向去做一個準備所以另外還有55.41%的學生認為製作學習歷程檔案是無助於生涯探索的所以剛剛這個數據顯現一個什麼樣的結果呢就是我們學習歷程檔案再度成為新的升學工具了\n542102\t542502\t我剛才跟委員報告的\n562045\t588291\t這個學習歷程檔案它確實是有價值的但是怎麼樣去讓高中生更清楚然後減少他們不必要的一些擔憂這是我們要來努力的好 要努力的地方真的還蠻多的那我想過去我們在學習歷程檔案之前叫備審資料那我們都知道備審資料每次到高三的時候大家一窩蜂的才來擠來做把過去的資料把它找出來\n589051\t613190\t甚至於發生了很多代寫甚至於作為商品買賣在備審資料的時候那現在呢我們希望來分散這個壓力所以在高一高二高三然後陸陸續續來做可是我們看到高一高二的學生四個學期他有沒有能力可以把這個學期立正答案做得很好再來他的志向跟志趣在高一高二就一定能夠定下而不改變嗎\n614531\t628263\t我相信部長你來自這個大學端喔你一定知道其實到了高三也許有些孩子他的志趣改變了他發現他的這個興趣在另外的地方了這時候不能更改啊這時候不能更改那有沒有辦法可以解套這樣的一件事情\n629885\t640771\t我想我非常同意委員剛才所提的學生在生涯的一個發展裡邊任何一個時刻都有可能因為學習的一個經驗對那所以我們可以調整嗎他的興趣可能會改變我想這個細部我這個會後我來更進一步了解我看怎麼樣來做一些可以微調或者怎麼樣來好謝謝部長\n654179\t654199\t為什麼會這樣?\n654199\t654559\t原因你知道嗎?\n683868\t696803\t我想有一些學校因為大小的規模不同當然師資上本身也會有一些限制我想這個我們怎麼樣在未來結合大學端來看怎麼樣來協助部長我想\n698925\t713257\t您有答對我想失智不足這件事情很嚴重所以我們希望會後部長能不能夠去了解一下我們目前開課數是持續下降失智不足的地方大小不平均的資源到什麼程度我希望能夠部長了解以後能夠跟本席做一個說明那最後我們談108課綱的問題是非常多上路五年了我們必須要講在準備上面\n723866\t728488\t對於像這個秩序未定的孩子們你一次要他定下來我覺得那個壓力很大第二個到了以前說這個學期定成檔案是高山才做可是事實上現在是軍備競賽的延長賽那再來呢我們採用現在還是以分數為導向\n740254\t760550\t因為我們要知道第一階段沒有達到一個標準第二階段教授根本不可能看到我們學習歷程檔案做了他的目的在哪裡最後我想你有沒有發現一件事情我們現在學用落差一樣非常嚴重如果學習歷程檔案是有辦法探索我們這個學生的這個秩序的話學用落差就不會那麼嚴重了我期許部長在118課綱我們馬上114年就要檢討了我們可以把這些問題都帶進去然後在118課綱的時候我們來審慎的評估思考好不好\n769618\t769778\t謝謝謝謝委員的關心\n","txt":"美林委員質詢。好,謝謝抓位。我們有請鄭部長。好,鄭部長。部長準備好了嗎?好,那我們就開始囉。好。\n部長,我想教育是百年大計也是國家的根本那您現在在這個時刻接下教育部長一職我相信接下的不是只有一個職位而是一個非常神聖的使命那您也說到上任要落實的第一件事情就是要在兩岸尊嚴對等的條件之下讓入生的學衛生來台那麼兩岸的青年恢復交流有助於了解彼此往好的方向發展,對嗎?\n但是怎麼在今天的報告上面沒有看到你第一件想要落實的事情?\n跟委員報告確實因為剛上任有許多的這些這一個書面上的一些這個報告我想我們也許還有許多可以經濟的空間那部長根據我們看到媒體的報導也就是說是在明年的2月份我們對於陸生的碩博士就要來這個簡章公佈然後5月份就會放榜\n對於陸生的學士班在5月份我們會簡章公佈7月份會放榜甚至於最快可能會7月份就來入學這是真的嗎?是的,我目前是朝這個方向在努力\n教育部部長鄭英耀列席\n呼應賴慶德總統在就職演說來做一個政治性的演出為什麼本席這樣說呢因為其實在109年的時候呢其實陸方就已經公告暫停陸生來台那這個我相信部長您一定知道那在這段時間當中\n過去我們蔡英文政府時代我們的部長不是沒有努力過他們也曾經多次的呼籲想進各種的管道那麼希望對岸能夠重新來開放陸生來台但是都是溝通無效同時對岸已讀不回\n現在您這麼有把握而且連時辰點做法都出來了那是不是現在我們已經開始進行溝通了對岸有開始回了嗎而這件事情應該是一個雙向的事情它不是一個單一的意願所以呢部長您現在是怎麼看待這樣的事情\n是的謝謝委員的一個關心我想我們在跟陸委會在這個部分我們事實上在合作的那我也同意委員過去確實不管基於什麼樣的一個原因但是能夠讓兩岸有更和平和協的一些發展互動我想\n特別是在教育這個區塊,我們還是希望讓年輕人有更多的彼此透過學習、交流往好的那一個方面來發展。我想這個訊息出來,我們很多大學端的校長、教授其實都非常樂見。\n﹏﹏\n教育部推動國際人才教育專班\n這是希望我們在113年到116年能夠招到18568名外籍生18000名左右但是我們看到其實過去我們兩岸其實在非常和諧的交流跟發展的時候陸生在台灣累積在台灣的人數就高達了41975人而現在大概剩下一成左右所以我們看到這個數字本身是要講其實如果能夠真的\n大家好好溝通能夠開放陸生來台你看我們那麼辛苦做一個心情專班也不會要招一萬八千多個這個學生而陸生在我們這個狀況最好的時候我們看到在巔峰四萬一千多個人我相信這個數字要給這個部長做一個參考那另外當然同時提醒部長我想從2011年開始事實上我們也持續做了很多檢討放寬陸生來台各項很有善很便利的措施非常多項十幾項\n那這些友善的措施部長你都知道是哪些嗎?你只要回答我知不知道就好知道嗎?好那既然我們開放這麼多這個友善便利的措施那為什麼這四五年以來始終啊陸方還是沒有辦法去開放陸生來台那真正的原因您認為是什麼?\n呃事實上就這一個我事實上是我不方不宜這個啊這個猜測因為從一個教育的觀點我們就希望能夠有一個好的一個方向來發展那當然\n但是部長我需要提醒您如果你不方便或是不宜或是甚至於不知道為什麼這問題很嚴重那你怎麼對症效藥你怎麼說你怎麼能夠說我現在什麼明年的五月學士班就要這個招生什麼七月他們就要來你怎麼有辦法那麼肯定去對外公布這樣的事情你甚至於不知道為什麼我們有這麼多便利的措施給他們都不來\n不知道問題如何去解決問題我想跟委員報告事實上這些年來他會有比較明顯的一個這一個停止雙方的一些這一個學術或者這一個學習上的交流主要我們知道在這幾年這幾年來事實上因為COVID的一個關係使得我們我剛才有看到您後面這一位不知道哪一位了他的那個嘴形我有看到他提供給您這個答案這樣不好這樣不好部長\n我想這個嘴形太明顯了啦那部長要有自己的想法跟思考但是呢看起來部長剛剛也其實有稍微脫口說了其實不方便我相信你有很多不方便可以去說明或是猜想的一個地方但是本期要提醒您這個開放路線來台既然賴清德總統在就職演說這麼重要的這個場所都在呼籲了那過去蔡英文總統也呼籲賴清德總統也呼籲\n錄委會也呼籲,過去的教育部也呼籲,您又說這個是您上任最重要的落實的,但是本身要提醒不能只靠呼籲,如果靠呼籲怎麼會過去這四五年來對方已讀不回,所以您必須要知道真正問題點在哪裡,好嗎?\n這樣才能夠明年我們可以看到真的這樣子一個這個宣誓是會有進展的那當然我們再來討論我想這20年來我們在談的就是教改我們的孩子不斷的被教改我們的老師不斷的被迫\n調適一次又一次適應教改的新的制度我們要知道老師孩子跟家長真的非常的辛苦在這20年當中那部長您曾經參與過審議108課綱那所以呢我們來稍微討論一下108課綱眾多面向問題當中的一兩項那在過去的5年當中\n您認為這個學習歷程檔案這個制度有沒有達成我們原本希望幫孩子進行生涯探索還有減輕孩子升學壓力準備這些資料的目標您認為有達到嗎\n我想那個方向是有價值的但是在執行的過程難免會有一些考慮不周延的我想我們應該肯定就一個年輕學子他們的學習過程裡邊那個學習歷程檔案他的一個價值性\n我相信任何一個制度提出來一定他利益良善也有價值性但是我們來看根據我們學生團體提出來2024年108課綱的觀察報告經過調查竟然有高達56.7%的學生\n他希望這個學習歷程檔案是能夠符合他申請的科系所以他一直朝著這個特定方向去做一個準備所以另外還有55.41%的學生認為製作學習歷程檔案是無助於生涯探索的所以剛剛這個數據顯現一個什麼樣的結果呢就是我們學習歷程檔案再度成為新的升學工具了\n我剛才跟委員報告的\n這個學習歷程檔案它確實是有價值的但是怎麼樣去讓高中生更清楚然後減少他們不必要的一些擔憂這是我們要來努力的好 要努力的地方真的還蠻多的那我想過去我們在學習歷程檔案之前叫備審資料那我們都知道備審資料每次到高三的時候大家一窩蜂的才來擠來做把過去的資料把它找出來\n甚至於發生了很多代寫甚至於作為商品買賣在備審資料的時候那現在呢我們希望來分散這個壓力所以在高一高二高三然後陸陸續續來做可是我們看到高一高二的學生四個學期他有沒有能力可以把這個學期立正答案做得很好再來他的志向跟志趣在高一高二就一定能夠定下而不改變嗎\n我相信部長你來自這個大學端喔你一定知道其實到了高三也許有些孩子他的志趣改變了他發現他的這個興趣在另外的地方了這時候不能更改啊這時候不能更改那有沒有辦法可以解套這樣的一件事情\n我想我非常同意委員剛才所提的學生在生涯的一個發展裡邊任何一個時刻都有可能因為學習的一個經驗對那所以我們可以調整嗎他的興趣可能會改變我想這個細部我這個會後我來更進一步了解我看怎麼樣來做一些可以微調或者怎麼樣來好謝謝部長\n為什麼會這樣?\n原因你知道嗎?\n我想有一些學校因為大小的規模不同當然師資上本身也會有一些限制我想這個我們怎麼樣在未來結合大學端來看怎麼樣來協助部長我想\n您有答對我想失智不足這件事情很嚴重所以我們希望會後部長能不能夠去了解一下我們目前開課數是持續下降失智不足的地方大小不平均的資源到什麼程度我希望能夠部長了解以後能夠跟本席做一個說明那最後我們談108課綱的問題是非常多上路五年了我們必須要講在準備上面\n對於像這個秩序未定的孩子們你一次要他定下來我覺得那個壓力很大第二個到了以前說這個學期定成檔案是高山才做可是事實上現在是軍備競賽的延長賽那再來呢我們採用現在還是以分數為導向\n因為我們要知道第一階段沒有達到一個標準第二階段教授根本不可能看到我們學習歷程檔案做了他的目的在哪裡最後我想你有沒有發現一件事情我們現在學用落差一樣非常嚴重如果學習歷程檔案是有辦法探索我們這個學生的這個秩序的話學用落差就不會那麼嚴重了我期許部長在118課綱我們馬上114年就要檢討了我們可以把這些問題都帶進去然後在118課綱的時候我們來審慎的評估思考好不好\n謝謝謝謝委員的關心\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:09.933\n美 林 委 員 質 詢 。 好 , 謝 謝 抓 位 。 我 們 有 請 鄭 部 長 。 好 , 鄭 部 長 。 部 長 準 備 好 了 嗎 ? 好 , 那 我 們 就 開 始 囉 。 好 。\n\n00:29.229 --> 00:55.168\n部 長 , 我 想 教 育 是 百 年 大 計 也 是 國 家 的 根 本 那 您 現 在 在 這 個 時 刻 接 下 教 育 部 長 一 職 我 相 信 接 下 的 不 是 只 有 一 個 職 位 而 是 一 個 非 常 神 聖 的 使 命 那 您 也 說 到 上 任 要 落 實 的 第 一 件 事 情 就 是 要 在 兩 岸 尊 嚴 對 等 的 條 件 之 下 讓 入 生 的 學 衛 生 來 台 那 麼 兩 岸 的 青 年 恢 復 交 流 有 助 於 了 解 彼 此 往 好 的 方 向 發 展 , 對 嗎 ?\n\n00:57.250 --> 01:00.636\n但 是 怎 麼 在 今 天 的 報 告 上 面 沒 有 看 到 你 第 一 件 想 要 落 實 的 事 情 ?\n\n01:04.042 --> 01:12.290\n跟 委 員 報 告 確 實 因 為 剛 上 任 有 許 多 的 這 些 這 一 個 書 面 上 的 一 些 這 個 報 告 我 想 我 們 也 許 還 有 許 多 可 以 經 濟 的 空 間 那 部 長 根 據 我 們 看 到 媒 體 的 報 導 也 就 是 說 是 在 明 年 的 2 月 份 我 們 對 於 陸 生 的 碩 博 士 就 要 來 這 個 簡 章 公 佈 然 後 5 月 份 就 會 放 榜\n\n01:28.546 --> 01:38.954\n對 於 陸 生 的 學 士 班 在 5 月 份 我 們 會 簡 章 公 佈 7 月 份 會 放 榜 甚 至 於 最 快 可 能 會 7 月 份 就 來 入 學 這 是 真 的 嗎 ? 是 的 , 我 目 前 是 朝 這 個 方 向 在 努 力\n\n01:42.864 --> 01:43.285\n教 育 部 部 長 鄭 英 耀 列 席\n\n01:58.584 --> 02:05.714\n呼 應 賴 慶 德 總 統 在 就 職 演 說 來 做 一 個 政 治 性 的 演 出 為 什 麼 本 席 這 樣 說 呢 因 為 其 實 在 1 0 9 年 的 時 候 呢 其 實 陸 方 就 已 經 公 告 暫 停 陸 生 來 台 那 這 個 我 相 信 部 長 您 一 定 知 道 那 在 這 段 時 間 當 中\n\n02:15.588 --> 02:25.398\n過 去 我 們 蔡 英 文 政 府 時 代 我 們 的 部 長 不 是 沒 有 努 力 過 他 們 也 曾 經 多 次 的 呼 籲 想 進 各 種 的 管 道 那 麼 希 望 對 岸 能 夠 重 新 來 開 放 陸 生 來 台 但 是 都 是 溝 通 無 效 同 時 對 岸 已 讀 不 回\n\n02:31.684 --> 02:47.854\n現 在 您 這 麼 有 把 握 而 且 連 時 辰 點 做 法 都 出 來 了 那 是 不 是 現 在 我 們 已 經 開 始 進 行 溝 通 了 對 岸 有 開 始 回 了 嗎 而 這 件 事 情 應 該 是 一 個 雙 向 的 事 情 它 不 是 一 個 單 一 的 意 願 所 以 呢 部 長 您 現 在 是 怎 麼 看 待 這 樣 的 事 情\n\n02:48.654 --> 03:09.454\n是 的 謝 謝 委 員 的 一 個 關 心 我 想 我 們 在 跟 陸 委 會 在 這 個 部 分 我 們 事 實 上 在 合 作 的 那 我 也 同 意 委 員 過 去 確 實 不 管 基 於 什 麼 樣 的 一 個 原 因 但 是 能 夠 讓 兩 岸 有 更 和 平 和 協 的 一 些 發 展 互 動 我 想\n\n03:10.114 --> 03:20.924\n特 別 是 在 教 育 這 個 區 塊 , 我 們 還 是 希 望 讓 年 輕 人 有 更 多 的 彼 此 透 過 學 習 、 交 流 往 好 的 那 一 個 方 面 來 發 展 。 我 想 這 個 訊 息 出 來 , 我 們 很 多 大 學 端 的 校 長 、 教 授 其 實 都 非 常 樂 見 。\n\n03:45.603 --> 03:46.323\n教 育 部 推 動 國 際 人 才 教 育 專 班\n\n04:06.049 --> 04:09.770\n這 是 希 望 我 們 在 1 1 3 年 到 1 1 6 年 能 夠 招 到 1 8 5 6 8 名 外 籍 生 1 8 0 0 0 名 左 右 但 是 我 們 看 到 其 實 過 去 我 們 兩 岸 其 實 在 非 常 和 諧 的 交 流 跟 發 展 的 時 候 陸 生 在 台 灣 累 積 在 台 灣 的 人 數 就 高 達 了 4 1 9 7 5 人 而 現 在 大 概 剩 下 一 成 左 右 所 以 我 們 看 到 這 個 數 字 本 身 是 要 講 其 實 如 果 能 夠 真 的\n\n04:34.497 --> 04:54.987\n大 家 好 好 溝 通 能 夠 開 放 陸 生 來 台 你 看 我 們 那 麼 辛 苦 做 一 個 心 情 專 班 也 不 會 要 招 一 萬 八 千 多 個 這 個 學 生 而 陸 生 在 我 們 這 個 狀 況 最 好 的 時 候 我 們 看 到 在 巔 峰 四 萬 一 千 多 個 人 我 相 信 這 個 數 字 要 給 這 個 部 長 做 一 個 參 考 那 另 外 當 然 同 時 提 醒 部 長 我 想 從 2 0 1 1 年 開 始 事 實 上 我 們 也 持 續 做 了 很 多 檢 討 放 寬 陸 生 來 台 各 項 很 有 善 很 便 利 的 措 施 非 常 多 項 十 幾 項\n\n05:04.372 --> 05:22.660\n那 這 些 友 善 的 措 施 部 長 你 都 知 道 是 哪 些 嗎 ? 你 只 要 回 答 我 知 不 知 道 就 好 知 道 嗎 ? 好 那 既 然 我 們 開 放 這 麼 多 這 個 友 善 便 利 的 措 施 那 為 什 麼 這 四 五 年 以 來 始 終 啊 陸 方 還 是 沒 有 辦 法 去 開 放 陸 生 來 台 那 真 正 的 原 因 您 認 為 是 什 麼 ?\n\n05:26.113 --> 05:37.970\n呃 事 實 上 就 這 一 個 我 事 實 上 是 我 不 方 不 宜 這 個 啊 這 個 猜 測 因 為 從 一 個 教 育 的 觀 點 我 們 就 希 望 能 夠 有 一 個 好 的 一 個 方 向 來 發 展 那 當 然\n\n05:40.147 --> 05:47.814\n但 是 部 長 我 需 要 提 醒 您 如 果 你 不 方 便 或 是 不 宜 或 是 甚 至 於 不 知 道 為 什 麼 這 問 題 很 嚴 重 那 你 怎 麼 對 症 效 藥 你 怎 麼 說 你 怎 麼 能 夠 說 我 現 在 什 麼 明 年 的 五 月 學 士 班 就 要 這 個 招 生 什 麼 七 月 他 們 就 要 來 你 怎 麼 有 辦 法 那 麼 肯 定 去 對 外 公 布 這 樣 的 事 情 你 甚 至 於 不 知 道 為 什 麼 我 們 有 這 麼 多 便 利 的 措 施 給 他 們 都 不 來\n\n06:03.849 --> 06:30.835\n不 知 道 問 題 如 何 去 解 決 問 題 我 想 跟 委 員 報 告 事 實 上 這 些 年 來 他 會 有 比 較 明 顯 的 一 個 這 一 個 停 止 雙 方 的 一 些 這 一 個 學 術 或 者 這 一 個 學 習 上 的 交 流 主 要 我 們 知 道 在 這 幾 年 這 幾 年 來 事 實 上 因 為 C O V I D 的 一 個 關 係 使 得 我 們 我 剛 才 有 看 到 您 後 面 這 一 位 不 知 道 哪 一 位 了 他 的 那 個 嘴 形 我 有 看 到 他 提 供 給 您 這 個 答 案 這 樣 不 好 這 樣 不 好 部 長\n\n06:33.175 --> 06:50.570\n我 想 這 個 嘴 形 太 明 顯 了 啦 那 部 長 要 有 自 己 的 想 法 跟 思 考 但 是 呢 看 起 來 部 長 剛 剛 也 其 實 有 稍 微 脫 口 說 了 其 實 不 方 便 我 相 信 你 有 很 多 不 方 便 可 以 去 說 明 或 是 猜 想 的 一 個 地 方 但 是 本 期 要 提 醒 您 這 個 開 放 路 線 來 台 既 然 賴 清 德 總 統 在 就 職 演 說 這 麼 重 要 的 這 個 場 所 都 在 呼 籲 了 那 過 去 蔡 英 文 總 統 也 呼 籲 賴 清 德 總 統 也 呼 籲\n\n06:59.518 --> 07:14.358\n錄 委 會 也 呼 籲 , 過 去 的 教 育 部 也 呼 籲 , 您 又 說 這 個 是 您 上 任 最 重 要 的 落 實 的 , 但 是 本 身 要 提 醒 不 能 只 靠 呼 籲 , 如 果 靠 呼 籲 怎 麼 會 過 去 這 四 五 年 來 對 方 已 讀 不 回 , 所 以 您 必 須 要 知 道 真 正 問 題 點 在 哪 裡 , 好 嗎 ?\n\n07:16.059 --> 07:21.923\n這 樣 才 能 夠 明 年 我 們 可 以 看 到 真 的 這 樣 子 一 個 這 個 宣 誓 是 會 有 進 展 的 那 當 然 我 們 再 來 討 論 我 想 這 2 0 年 來 我 們 在 談 的 就 是 教 改 我 們 的 孩 子 不 斷 的 被 教 改 我 們 的 老 師 不 斷 的 被 迫\n\n07:31.849 --> 07:39.499\n調 適 一 次 又 一 次 適 應 教 改 的 新 的 制 度 我 們 要 知 道 老 師 孩 子 跟 家 長 真 的 非 常 的 辛 苦 在 這 2 0 年 當 中 那 部 長 您 曾 經 參 與 過 審 議 1 0 8 課 綱 那 所 以 呢 我 們 來 稍 微 討 論 一 下 1 0 8 課 綱 眾 多 面 向 問 題 當 中 的 一 兩 項 那 在 過 去 的 5 年 當 中\n\n07:49.352 --> 08:02.087\n您 認 為 這 個 學 習 歷 程 檔 案 這 個 制 度 有 沒 有 達 成 我 們 原 本 希 望 幫 孩 子 進 行 生 涯 探 索 還 有 減 輕 孩 子 升 學 壓 力 準 備 這 些 資 料 的 目 標 您 認 為 有 達 到 嗎\n\n08:05.404 --> 08:22.045\n我 想 那 個 方 向 是 有 價 值 的 但 是 在 執 行 的 過 程 難 免 會 有 一 些 考 慮 不 周 延 的 我 想 我 們 應 該 肯 定 就 一 個 年 輕 學 子 他 們 的 學 習 過 程 裡 邊 那 個 學 習 歷 程 檔 案 他 的 一 個 價 值 性\n\n08:22.906 --> 08:27.550\n我 相 信 任 何 一 個 制 度 提 出 來 一 定 他 利 益 良 善 也 有 價 值 性 但 是 我 們 來 看 根 據 我 們 學 生 團 體 提 出 來 2 0 2 4 年 1 0 8 課 綱 的 觀 察 報 告 經 過 調 查 竟 然 有 高 達 5 6 . 7 % 的 學 生\n\n08:37.597 --> 08:50.500\n他 希 望 這 個 學 習 歷 程 檔 案 是 能 夠 符 合 他 申 請 的 科 系 所 以 他 一 直 朝 著 這 個 特 定 方 向 去 做 一 個 準 備 所 以 另 外 還 有 5 5 . 4 1 % 的 學 生 認 為 製 作 學 習 歷 程 檔 案 是 無 助 於 生 涯 探 索 的 所 以 剛 剛 這 個 數 據 顯 現 一 個 什 麼 樣 的 結 果 呢 就 是 我 們 學 習 歷 程 檔 案 再 度 成 為 新 的 升 學 工 具 了\n\n09:02.102 --> 09:02.502\n我 剛 才 跟 委 員 報 告 的\n\n09:22.045 --> 09:48.291\n這 個 學 習 歷 程 檔 案 它 確 實 是 有 價 值 的 但 是 怎 麼 樣 去 讓 高 中 生 更 清 楚 然 後 減 少 他 們 不 必 要 的 一 些 擔 憂 這 是 我 們 要 來 努 力 的 好 要 努 力 的 地 方 真 的 還 蠻 多 的 那 我 想 過 去 我 們 在 學 習 歷 程 檔 案 之 前 叫 備 審 資 料 那 我 們 都 知 道 備 審 資 料 每 次 到 高 三 的 時 候 大 家 一 窩 蜂 的 才 來 擠 來 做 把 過 去 的 資 料 把 它 找 出 來\n\n09:49.051 --> 10:13.190\n甚 至 於 發 生 了 很 多 代 寫 甚 至 於 作 為 商 品 買 賣 在 備 審 資 料 的 時 候 那 現 在 呢 我 們 希 望 來 分 散 這 個 壓 力 所 以 在 高 一 高 二 高 三 然 後 陸 陸 續 續 來 做 可 是 我 們 看 到 高 一 高 二 的 學 生 四 個 學 期 他 有 沒 有 能 力 可 以 把 這 個 學 期 立 正 答 案 做 得 很 好 再 來 他 的 志 向 跟 志 趣 在 高 一 高 二 就 一 定 能 夠 定 下 而 不 改 變 嗎\n\n10:14.531 --> 10:28.263\n我 相 信 部 長 你 來 自 這 個 大 學 端 喔 你 一 定 知 道 其 實 到 了 高 三 也 許 有 些 孩 子 他 的 志 趣 改 變 了 他 發 現 他 的 這 個 興 趣 在 另 外 的 地 方 了 這 時 候 不 能 更 改 啊 這 時 候 不 能 更 改 那 有 沒 有 辦 法 可 以 解 套 這 樣 的 一 件 事 情\n\n10:29.885 --> 10:40.771\n我 想 我 非 常 同 意 委 員 剛 才 所 提 的 學 生 在 生 涯 的 一 個 發 展 裡 邊 任 何 一 個 時 刻 都 有 可 能 因 為 學 習 的 一 個 經 驗 對 那 所 以 我 們 可 以 調 整 嗎 他 的 興 趣 可 能 會 改 變 我 想 這 個 細 部 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