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Procurement也就是所謂的綠色公共採購的標準那GPP的標準涵蓋認證之利的\n144961\t157234\t那我想請問主委說現在有的採購規定要如何能夠納入所謂的永續指標將循環條件循環度可回收材質比例包裝材料等面向納入採購標準\n159867\t179371\t謝謝委員指教因為綠色採購的主管機關是環境部工程會基於公共工程的主管機關會全力配合環境部就綠色採購部分要求辦理機關進行符合環境部標準的綠色採購也會\n182832\t209662\t將所有綠色採購的相關資訊提供給各機關作為採購的依據謝謝剛剛我在看報告的時候我看到報告第10頁有關工程履歷的運用也就是希望用工程履歷來引進所謂的優良廠商那就讓本席想到另外一個議題就是有關金職獎的發放其實這個議題本來是在上一位主委吳哲成主委的時候本席就想來諮詢了\n211282\t229936\t因為我個人認為說我們看到有很多很多的例子在金質獎的發放上面是相對腐爛的而且後面沒有一定的這個後續的處置動作許一個例子基隆市政府在2022年8月23日直接發布新聞基隆市勢力田徑場館的運動機能提升環境營造獲得最佳規劃設計類金質獎\n236780\t251588\t基本上來講本席是基隆省出來的立委那這個體育場我本來也是在那邊運動過超過30年以上但是現在到目前今天工程還沒有完工原因是因為有發生重大的失誤根據報導記載\n254289\t270636\t原建築師事務所提送第二次變更設計內容因設計缺失而造成工期延宕約150天換算成工程進度達20%以上延誤履約期限情節重大設計疏失約6000萬到8000萬元也就是說\n274258\t282583\t基隆市的田徑廠重建工程．歷經兩次發包從4億1600多萬．得標廠商認為設計有瑕疵而無法施工．寧願棄標解約．而原林沛祥市府團隊卻認為．設計無誤而不願改變設計．要再追加預算到6億．尤其是再發包得標的廠商還是認為有瑕疵．\n300818\t326450\t結果在追加預算變更設計才進行工程換言之2021年開工2021年2月開工的基隆市田徑廠工程此時卻只能目標設定在明年2025年8月底才能完工已經比原定的日期足足晚了20個月主委你認為這樣是值得一個金職獎的獎勵嗎\n328393\t328633\t那再請問主委\n355774\t366449\t如果是公共工程中發生瑕疵卻獲得公共工程金值獎那是不是應該檢討續獎要件或者考慮追回獎項並追究相關人員責任呢?\n370238\t397424\t謝謝委員指教委員這個提示非常的確實那麼我們將來會研議關於金質獎的辦法目前金質獎評審呢是在完工階段所以我們會將來金質獎的評審會從動工到完工這個階段都有一些節點會去查核會評這個會考評納入最終金質獎的評估以後我們正在研議當中那麼剛才\n399884\t412036\t委員所指教的這個金字獎已經追回那有沒有相關的這個追究相關責任呢相關的問題我們會後再跟委員報告好好謝謝\n","txt":"有請陳主委請陳主委議員早\n陳主委先從我們國家的大方向來看好了我們知道所謂的2050的這個淨零減碳全面淨零的轉型是我們中華民國的目標那本席想知道在公共工程上面怎麼樣能夠全面納入所謂的淨零碳排在生態減核或者是淨零碳排的制度面上面如何把減碳的部分能夠納入而且制定具體的執行期程跟執行方式\n這方面主委您的看法是什麼呢?謝謝委員指教所有的工建的設施佔整個碳排放的佔一定比例除了這個石化業或者電力業等等公共建設是佔一定比例所以呢為了完成2050淨零排放的目標在公共建設部分\n這個工程會本理執掌在所有的公共設施計畫在基本設計的審查的時候就會要求納入那麼整個計畫在減排的考量那在施作的時候會進行查核那麼是否符合能夠減排的一些必要的設施那麼在\n所有的相關的建材方面就是碳排比較大的一些建材那麼會進行資料的收集那麼納入一個資料庫相關碳排係數會納入一個資料庫提供給各機關辦理公設施的機關來作為參佐那麼務必在達到這個2050那麼進行排放國家總目標在公共設施這部分進一份力量\n好那另外一個議題就是有關所謂的綠色採購我們都知道說從公共採購的力量來執行推動的時候這個歐盟有一套所謂的Green Public Procurement也就是所謂的綠色公共採購的標準那GPP的標準涵蓋認證之利的\n那我想請問主委說現在有的採購規定要如何能夠納入所謂的永續指標將循環條件循環度可回收材質比例包裝材料等面向納入採購標準\n謝謝委員指教因為綠色採購的主管機關是環境部工程會基於公共工程的主管機關會全力配合環境部就綠色採購部分要求辦理機關進行符合環境部標準的綠色採購也會\n將所有綠色採購的相關資訊提供給各機關作為採購的依據謝謝剛剛我在看報告的時候我看到報告第10頁有關工程履歷的運用也就是希望用工程履歷來引進所謂的優良廠商那就讓本席想到另外一個議題就是有關金職獎的發放其實這個議題本來是在上一位主委吳哲成主委的時候本席就想來諮詢了\n因為我個人認為說我們看到有很多很多的例子在金質獎的發放上面是相對腐爛的而且後面沒有一定的這個後續的處置動作許一個例子基隆市政府在2022年8月23日直接發布新聞基隆市勢力田徑場館的運動機能提升環境營造獲得最佳規劃設計類金質獎\n基本上來講本席是基隆省出來的立委那這個體育場我本來也是在那邊運動過超過30年以上但是現在到目前今天工程還沒有完工原因是因為有發生重大的失誤根據報導記載\n原建築師事務所提送第二次變更設計內容因設計缺失而造成工期延宕約150天換算成工程進度達20%以上延誤履約期限情節重大設計疏失約6000萬到8000萬元也就是說\n基隆市的田徑廠重建工程．歷經兩次發包從4億1600多萬．得標廠商認為設計有瑕疵而無法施工．寧願棄標解約．而原林沛祥市府團隊卻認為．設計無誤而不願改變設計．要再追加預算到6億．尤其是再發包得標的廠商還是認為有瑕疵．\n結果在追加預算變更設計才進行工程換言之2021年開工2021年2月開工的基隆市田徑廠工程此時卻只能目標設定在明年2025年8月底才能完工已經比原定的日期足足晚了20個月主委你認為這樣是值得一個金職獎的獎勵嗎\n那再請問主委\n如果是公共工程中發生瑕疵卻獲得公共工程金值獎那是不是應該檢討續獎要件或者考慮追回獎項並追究相關人員責任呢?\n謝謝委員指教委員這個提示非常的確實那麼我們將來會研議關於金質獎的辦法目前金質獎評審呢是在完工階段所以我們會將來金質獎的評審會從動工到完工這個階段都有一些節點會去查核會評這個會考評納入最終金質獎的評估以後我們正在研議當中那麼剛才\n委員所指教的這個金字獎已經追回那有沒有相關的這個追究相關責任呢相關的問題我們會後再跟委員報告好好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.823 --> 00:09.764\n有 請 陳 主 委 請 陳 主 委 議 員 早\n\n00:19.731 --> 00:47.777\n陳 主 委 先 從 我 們 國 家 的 大 方 向 來 看 好 了 我 們 知 道 所 謂 的 2 0 5 0 的 這 個 淨 零 減 碳 全 面 淨 零 的 轉 型 是 我 們 中 華 民 國 的 目 標 那 本 席 想 知 道 在 公 共 工 程 上 面 怎 麼 樣 能 夠 全 面 納 入 所 謂 的 淨 零 碳 排 在 生 態 減 核 或 者 是 淨 零 碳 排 的 制 度 面 上 面 如 何 把 減 碳 的 部 分 能 夠 納 入 而 且 制 定 具 體 的 執 行 期 程 跟 執 行 方 式\n\n00:48.377 --> 01:11.545\n這 方 面 主 委 您 的 看 法 是 什 麼 呢 ? 謝 謝 委 員 指 教 所 有 的 工 建 的 設 施 佔 整 個 碳 排 放 的 佔 一 定 比 例 除 了 這 個 石 化 業 或 者 電 力 業 等 等 公 共 建 設 是 佔 一 定 比 例 所 以 呢 為 了 完 成 2 0 5 0 淨 零 排 放 的 目 標 在 公 共 建 設 部 分\n\n01:13.873 --> 01:35.640\n這 個 工 程 會 本 理 執 掌 在 所 有 的 公 共 設 施 計 畫 在 基 本 設 計 的 審 查 的 時 候 就 會 要 求 納 入 那 麼 整 個 計 畫 在 減 排 的 考 量 那 在 施 作 的 時 候 會 進 行 查 核 那 麼 是 否 符 合 能 夠 減 排 的 一 些 必 要 的 設 施 那 麼 在\n\n01:37.180 --> 02:05.250\n所 有 的 相 關 的 建 材 方 面 就 是 碳 排 比 較 大 的 一 些 建 材 那 麼 會 進 行 資 料 的 收 集 那 麼 納 入 一 個 資 料 庫 相 關 碳 排 係 數 會 納 入 一 個 資 料 庫 提 供 給 各 機 關 辦 理 公 設 施 的 機 關 來 作 為 參 佐 那 麼 務 必 在 達 到 這 個 2 0 5 0 那 麼 進 行 排 放 國 家 總 目 標 在 公 共 設 施 這 部 分 進 一 份 力 量\n\n02:06.152 --> 02:22.780\n好 那 另 外 一 個 議 題 就 是 有 關 所 謂 的 綠 色 採 購 我 們 都 知 道 說 從 公 共 採 購 的 力 量 來 執 行 推 動 的 時 候 這 個 歐 盟 有 一 套 所 謂 的 G r e e n P u b l i c P r o c u r e m e n t 也 就 是 所 謂 的 綠 色 公 共 採 購 的 標 準 那 G P P 的 標 準 涵 蓋 認 證 之 利 的\n\n02:24.961 --> 02:37.234\n那 我 想 請 問 主 委 說 現 在 有 的 採 購 規 定 要 如 何 能 夠 納 入 所 謂 的 永 續 指 標 將 循 環 條 件 循 環 度 可 回 收 材 質 比 例 包 裝 材 料 等 面 向 納 入 採 購 標 準\n\n02:39.867 --> 02:59.371\n謝 謝 委 員 指 教 因 為 綠 色 採 購 的 主 管 機 關 是 環 境 部 工 程 會 基 於 公 共 工 程 的 主 管 機 關 會 全 力 配 合 環 境 部 就 綠 色 採 購 部 分 要 求 辦 理 機 關 進 行 符 合 環 境 部 標 準 的 綠 色 採 購 也 會\n\n03:02.832 --> 03:29.662\n將 所 有 綠 色 採 購 的 相 關 資 訊 提 供 給 各 機 關 作 為 採 購 的 依 據 謝 謝 剛 剛 我 在 看 報 告 的 時 候 我 看 到 報 告 第 1 0 頁 有 關 工 程 履 歷 的 運 用 也 就 是 希 望 用 工 程 履 歷 來 引 進 所 謂 的 優 良 廠 商 那 就 讓 本 席 想 到 另 外 一 個 議 題 就 是 有 關 金 職 獎 的 發 放 其 實 這 個 議 題 本 來 是 在 上 一 位 主 委 吳 哲 成 主 委 的 時 候 本 席 就 想 來 諮 詢 了\n\n03:31.282 --> 03:49.936\n因 為 我 個 人 認 為 說 我 們 看 到 有 很 多 很 多 的 例 子 在 金 質 獎 的 發 放 上 面 是 相 對 腐 爛 的 而 且 後 面 沒 有 一 定 的 這 個 後 續 的 處 置 動 作 許 一 個 例 子 基 隆 市 政 府 在 2 0 2 2 年 8 月 2 3 日 直 接 發 布 新 聞 基 隆 市 勢 力 田 徑 場 館 的 運 動 機 能 提 升 環 境 營 造 獲 得 最 佳 規 劃 設 計 類 金 質 獎\n\n03:56.780 --> 04:11.588\n基 本 上 來 講 本 席 是 基 隆 省 出 來 的 立 委 那 這 個 體 育 場 我 本 來 也 是 在 那 邊 運 動 過 超 過 3 0 年 以 上 但 是 現 在 到 目 前 今 天 工 程 還 沒 有 完 工 原 因 是 因 為 有 發 生 重 大 的 失 誤 根 據 報 導 記 載\n\n04:14.289 --> 04:30.636\n原 建 築 師 事 務 所 提 送 第 二 次 變 更 設 計 內 容 因 設 計 缺 失 而 造 成 工 期 延 宕 約 1 5 0 天 換 算 成 工 程 進 度 達 2 0 % 以 上 延 誤 履 約 期 限 情 節 重 大 設 計 疏 失 約 6 0 0 0 萬 到 8 0 0 0 萬 元 也 就 是 說\n\n04:34.258 --> 04:42.583\n基 隆 市 的 田 徑 廠 重 建 工 程 ． 歷 經 兩 次 發 包 從 4 億 1 6 0 0 多 萬 ． 得 標 廠 商 認 為 設 計 有 瑕 疵 而 無 法 施 工 ． 寧 願 棄 標 解 約 ． 而 原 林 沛 祥 市 府 團 隊 卻 認 為 ． 設 計 無 誤 而 不 願 改 變 設 計 ． 要 再 追 加 預 算 到 6 億 ． 尤 其 是 再 發 包 得 標 的 廠 商 還 是 認 為 有 瑕 疵 ．\n\n05:00.818 --> 05:26.450\n結 果 在 追 加 預 算 變 更 設 計 才 進 行 工 程 換 言 之 2 0 2 1 年 開 工 2 0 2 1 年 2 月 開 工 的 基 隆 市 田 徑 廠 工 程 此 時 卻 只 能 目 標 設 定 在 明 年 2 0 2 5 年 8 月 底 才 能 完 工 已 經 比 原 定 的 日 期 足 足 晚 了 2 0 個 月 主 委 你 認 為 這 樣 是 值 得 一 個 金 職 獎 的 獎 勵 嗎\n\n05:28.393 --> 05:28.633\n那 再 請 問 主 委\n\n05:55.774 --> 06:06.449\n如 果 是 公 共 工 程 中 發 生 瑕 疵 卻 獲 得 公 共 工 程 金 值 獎 那 是 不 是 應 該 檢 討 續 獎 要 件 或 者 考 慮 追 回 獎 項 並 追 究 相 關 人 員 責 任 呢 ?\n\n06:10.238 --> 06:37.424\n謝 謝 委 員 指 教 委 員 這 個 提 示 非 常 的 確 實 那 麼 我 們 將 來 會 研 議 關 於 金 質 獎 的 辦 法 目 前 金 質 獎 評 審 呢 是 在 完 工 階 段 所 以 我 們 會 將 來 金 質 獎 的 評 審 會 從 動 工 到 完 工 這 個 階 段 都 有 一 些 節 點 會 去 查 核 會 評 這 個 會 考 評 納 入 最 終 金 質 獎 的 評 估 以 後 我 們 正 在 研 議 當 中 那 麼 剛 才\n\n06:39.884 --> 06:52.036\n委 員 所 指 教 的 這 個 金 字 獎 已 經 追 回 那 有 沒 有 相 關 的 這 個 追 究 相 關 責 任 呢 相 關 的 問 題 我 們 會 後 再 跟 委 員 報 告 好 好 謝 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