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不然會人心惶惶\n308164\t325482\t這天我希望你要跟卓院長要去報告這個事實不要一天到晚好像這個單位隨時要被裁測要被歸件這等等這對你們的同仁這對你自己的士氣都不好可是你要這個下請要上打\n326062\t346600\t讓我們的院長知道這個重要性所以這點我特別要提醒主委另外一個本席非常關心的就是因為我們的合約全國的合約基本的範本我很重視的是勞工薪資的部分\n347961\t372094\t這個是這個範本裡面我記得吳主委他有答應我你們也有在做也就是勞工薪資的部分這個這個要把它放在強制放在我們全國的標準的範本所以這個部分我相信幕僚人員應該也有跟你報告吳主委很贊同我的看法\n372634\t399960\t也就是全國換本現在所產生一個新知無法新知無法幾乎就是大包是對政府但是小大包發給小包叫中包中包又發給小包到最後小包是無法拿到這些新知的這個是一個問題那如果主委這裡願意把它當成一個問題\n401460\t428965\t去做研究把統一規範的這些全國的這些公共工程的合約範本把它放進兩個問題第一薪資的問題我不管你小包大包只要有人檢舉說他領不到薪水那這個部分你大包還是要負責那這個的第一第二如果植栽花生非常之多尤其是公共工程的部分這個部分\n432088\t457435\t職災的部分非常嚴重那你的報告也有說跟勞動部啊這個勞動部啊職安署這裡有做配合但是我要拜託主委這兩點的部分如果放在全國公共工程的合約換本裡面這對勞工的職安有幫助對勞工的薪資有保障這些東西我相信\n459216\t460236\t主委你的看法?\n477583\t477924\t謝謝主委\n","txt":"好主席請陳主委請陳主委委員長好陳主委當然據我對你個人知了解當然你來接公共工程會\n我個人對你的評語但是報章雜誌當然對你有一些負面但是據我了解你也不是說負面到那種給人家有一種是很爛的主委但是在這個部分我們大家都知道你就是\n每一次的職務都是代理代理包括甚至已兼的石油公司的董事長那既有工會當然我也很熟人家對你的評語也不是像一般報章雜誌對你的這些評語\n所以我們說實在的我側面所瞭解報章雜誌在報是另外一種事但是我瞭解你個人還是處事利落民快的人還有既有這些破例\n還有協調能力極強這是我對你側面所瞭解當然因為未來在整個主委跟立法院這裡的關係當然我們彼此之間要瞭解對方當然報章雜誌說你是購水的主委\n你能不能說一下媒體對你說夠誰這兩個字你有什麼看法謝謝委員的指導我想很多報導或猜測都是誤會了都不了解實際上的情形非常謝謝這個委員剛才的一些對我的一些勉勵\n陳金德列席報告\n主委當然這個是一個澄清那未來我們在立法院裡面當然共同為老百姓做事這是立法委員職責也是主委的職責那我在這裡當然我就要回歸政體要請教主委大家都說行政院部會裡面\n就是我們公共工程委員會是一個孤兒單位\n因為你的協調能力極強所以這個定位的問題我非常有興趣每一次都要解散公共工程委員會可是我個人認為公共工程委員會非常重要你不要以為是幕僚單位因為你看全國多少個公共工程的企業都要你們要提供範本\n所以這個單位在本席的認知是非常重要的單位所以能不能代替你這個單位跟行政院要溝通不要一天到晚做成解釋要解散這個單位我個人的看法是不能解散的這個單位是不但要存在還要政府機關要非常去重視它主委你有什麼看法\n的確公共工程委員目前按照公共工程委員組織條例他所擔負的職責是跨部會協調的工作很多而且在政務採購法裡面他針對公共工程委員的主委這一職指定必須由政務委員兼任\n所以如果公共工程委員會主改變成某一個部會的處那就涉及到這個政府採購法裡面所謂政委來兼的這樣的一個當初的設計啦所以我們認為在目前的政策下我們全力以赴做好\n主委我的意思就是說不要一天到晚多說要解散公共工程委員會那在本席的認知裡面不要說實在這是公務人員 不然會人心惶惶\n這天我希望你要跟卓院長要去報告這個事實不要一天到晚好像這個單位隨時要被裁測要被歸件這等等這對你們的同仁這對你自己的士氣都不好可是你要這個下請要上打\n讓我們的院長知道這個重要性所以這點我特別要提醒主委另外一個本席非常關心的就是因為我們的合約全國的合約基本的範本我很重視的是勞工薪資的部分\n這個是這個範本裡面我記得吳主委他有答應我你們也有在做也就是勞工薪資的部分這個這個要把它放在強制放在我們全國的標準的範本所以這個部分我相信幕僚人員應該也有跟你報告吳主委很贊同我的看法\n也就是全國換本現在所產生一個新知無法新知無法幾乎就是大包是對政府但是小大包發給小包叫中包中包又發給小包到最後小包是無法拿到這些新知的這個是一個問題那如果主委這裡願意把它當成一個問題\n去做研究把統一規範的這些全國的這些公共工程的合約範本把它放進兩個問題第一薪資的問題我不管你小包大包只要有人檢舉說他領不到薪水那這個部分你大包還是要負責那這個的第一第二如果植栽花生非常之多尤其是公共工程的部分這個部分\n職災的部分非常嚴重那你的報告也有說跟勞動部啊這個勞動部啊職安署這裡有做配合但是我要拜託主委這兩點的部分如果放在全國公共工程的合約換本裡面這對勞工的職安有幫助對勞工的薪資有保障這些東西我相信\n主委你的看法?\n謝謝主委\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.233 --> 00:08.016\n好 主 席 請 陳 主 委 請 陳 主 委 委 員 長 好 陳 主 委 當 然 據 我 對 你 個 人 知 了 解 當 然 你 來 接 公 共 工 程 會\n\n00:28.334 --> 00:54.941\n我 個 人 對 你 的 評 語 但 是 報 章 雜 誌 當 然 對 你 有 一 些 負 面 但 是 據 我 了 解 你 也 不 是 說 負 面 到 那 種 給 人 家 有 一 種 是 很 爛 的 主 委 但 是 在 這 個 部 分 我 們 大 家 都 知 道 你 就 是\n\n00:56.428 --> 01:12.725\n每 一 次 的 職 務 都 是 代 理 代 理 包 括 甚 至 已 兼 的 石 油 公 司 的 董 事 長 那 既 有 工 會 當 然 我 也 很 熟 人 家 對 你 的 評 語 也 不 是 像 一 般 報 章 雜 誌 對 你 的 這 些 評 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