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來 說 明 一 下\n\n10\n00:03:04,449 --> 00:03:10,093\n主 委 你 看 看 這 三 年 來 三 大 職 災 的 這 些 事 故 的 因 素 跌 倒 每 年 平 均 有 3 0 0 0 件\n\n11\n00:03:34,554 --> 00:04:03,380\n那 被 刺 被 割 擦 傷 啊 平 均 每 年 都 有 1 9 0 0 件 被 捲 被 夾 平 均 每 年 啊 大 概 有 1 5 0 0 件 這 若 是 我 們 自 己 的 家 人 喔 受 了 這 種 這 些 的 傷 害 的 話 我 想 我 們 一 定 都 很 難 過 所 以 對 勞 工 的 安 全 我 們 必 須 公 共 工 程 委 員 會 除 了 採 購 除 了 相 關 的 公 共 工 程 的 品 質 要 嚴 格 把 關 之 外 對 勞 工 的 安 全 啊 公 共 工 程 委 員 會 也 是 必 須 站 在 第 一 線 啊\n\n12\n00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:14,705\n來 嚴 格 的 督 促 。 那 我 們 看 到 ： 直 在 死 亡 的 主 要 因 素 也 包 含 翻 滾 掉 落 或 是 物 體 倒 崩 塌 或 是 被 夾 捲 這 些 啊\n\n13\n00:04:17,012 --> 00:04:17,072\n謝 謝 委 員 的 指 導\n\n14\n00:04:41,327 --> 00:04:56,333\n關 於 職 安 的 部 分 除 了 既 有 的 相 關 主 管 機 關 勞 動 部 他 的 根 據 相 關 法 律 檢 查 之 外 工 程 會 也 去 集 合 除 了 過 去 的 這 些 做 法 之 外 我 們 目 前 正 在 研 議 就 是 一 個 公 共 工 程 的 金 職 獎 的 評 審 目 前 大 概 是 針 對\n\n15\n00:05:01,996 --> 00:05:19,571\n這 個 公 共 設 施 完 成 之 後 他 的 評 審 或 者 相 關 資 料 我 們 這 個 計 畫 從 他 一 開 始 動 工 的 時 候 到 完 工 相 關 節 點 都 有 固 定 的 去 查 核 去 評 審 尤 其 注 重 在 公 共 設 施 的 設 置 那 麼 希 望 透 過 這 樣 子 的 動 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審 查 企 劃 書 的 評 分 總 平 均 分 數\n\n21\n00:07:12,051 --> 00:07:35,636\n要 高 於 8 0 分 的 廠 商 才 能 參 加 後 續 的 議 價 比 價 那 機 關 從 企 劃 書 及 格 的 廠 商 之 中 選 擇 價 格 最 低 的 廠 商 來 得 標 他 這 樣 的 用 意 主 委 你 應 該 清 楚 他 先 淘 汰 一 些 不 良 紀 錄 的 廠 商 淘 汰 不 良 紀 錄 的 廠 商 來 改 善 最 低 標 有 些\n\n22\n00:07:36,736 --> 00:07:36,856\n﹚ 指 摄\n\n23\n00:07:53,305 --> 00:08:19,117\n這 個 部 分 我 已 經 相 當 重 視 了 那 我 們 會 透 過 指 引 或 跟 各 機 關 來 協 調 希 望 各 機 關 在 辦 理 公 共 工 程 採 購 的 時 候 在 契 約 裡 面 在 招 標 過 程 當 中 那 麼 這 個 服 務 建 議 書 裡 面 的 審 查 希 望 包 含 它 過 去 的 這 個 一 些 職 災 的 紀 錄 或 治 安 的 相 關 但 是 還 有 一 個 問 題\n\n24\n00:08:20,177 --> 00:08:43,032\n我 們 看 近 3 年 平 均 及 格 最 低 標 所 辦 理 的 件 數 卻 是 非 常 的 低 你 看 2 0 2 1 年 占 所 有 標 案 的 1 . 6 而 已 2 0 2 2 年 占 所 有 標 案 的 1 . 4 那 2 0 2 3 年 也 是 占 所 有 標 案 的 1 . 4 左 右 那 執 行 的 成 效 不 好 那 當 然\n\n25\n00:08:43,971 --> 00:09:07,836\n他 的 這 樣 一 個 評 分 及 可 最 低 標 的 執 行 他 有 他 的 困 境 第 一 個 就 是 說 政 府 單 位 對 於 這 個 模 式 還 不 是 很 熟 悉 那 還 有 就 是 大 家 所 面 臨 最 大 的 困 境 還 是 在 於 國 際 趨 勢 缺 工 缺 料 的 這 個 因 素 政 府 單 位 擔 心 招 標 困 難 不 去 使 用 你 認 為 有 什 麼 改 進 的 機 制 嗎\n\n26\n00:09:10,078 --> 00:09:29,394\n謝 謝 委 員 。 我 想 那 個 評 分 及 格 最 低 標 的 決 標 的 方 式 , 那 麼 事 實 上 還 有 有 利 標 , 所 以 目 前 採 用 有 利 標 的 可 能 會 比 較 多 , 所 以 乍 看 之 下 這 個 最 低 標 的 決 標 方 式 比 較 少 。\n\n27\n00:09:30,994 --> 00:09:50,804\n關 於 這 個 缺 工 缺 料 或 是 缺 能 源 等 等 導 致 這 個 機 關 他 比 較 保 守 會 採 用 比 較 能 夠 決 標 的 方 式 我 想 藍 磷 招 標 的 這 樣 的 因 素 很 多 除 了 缺 工 之 外 當 然 整 個 希 望 能 夠 提 出 具 體 的 概 念\n\n28\n00:09:50,964 --> 00:09:50,984\n陳 柱 偉\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3857\t4842\t有請主席陳柱偉有請陳柱偉\n14048\t35544\t委員長 主委您好 剛才林國成委員也是關注勞工的議題因為林國成委員過去也是美容美髮業 技術工會專攻聯合會理事長 所以我們跟林國成委員對勞工的安全以及權益是相當的一個重視 在過去我們也在要求\n36425\t61779\t負責全國公共工程以及相關的這樣的一個政府採購的主管機關就是公共工程委員會對於勞工的安全必須要有具體的一個保障所以在過去我們也要求針對政府的公共工程不管是他的公共工程的品質還有勞工的安全的保障相關的查核必須要達到10%以上\n63880\t67723\t那相關的進度啊是不是請陳主委你有了解嗎來說明一下工程的查核應該要到10%以上\n74997\t97692\t我想工程會針對相關列管的公共工程一直在做查核當然查核他包括剛才委員所指教的是品質進度當然包括相關的公安的設施那這一部分除了工程會去查核之外也會配合勞動部的相關的\n99253\t118384\t公安檢查委員會配合委員的要求提高整個查核的比例我們要求相關的這些 不管是工程的品質還有勞工的安全相關的查核必須積材要達到比例10%以上目前的進度有沒有達到請相關的人來說明一下\n121195\t142502\t報告委員在112年度查核的比例達到11.68%所以有達到這個必須要逐年的提升我們要求這樣對於工程的品質以及勞工的安全才會有更具體的一個保障那我們看相關的這些在過去我們要求加強對於職安法相關的尤其是第6條有關於\n145191\t145331\t主管來說明\n171741\t182093\t這也代表的啦建樹雖然減少財務金額越來越高也代表這些公共工程的安全性他的嚴重性是不是也越來越高來說明一下\n184449\t190093\t主委你看看這三年來三大職災的這些事故的因素跌倒每年平均有3000件\n214554\t243380\t那被刺被割擦傷啊平均每年都有1900件被捲被夾平均每年啊大概有1500件這若是我們自己的家人喔受了這種這些的傷害的話我想我們一定都很難過所以對勞工的安全我們必須公共工程委員會除了採購除了相關的公共工程的品質要嚴格把關之外對勞工的安全啊公共工程委員會也是必須站在第一線啊\n245240\t254705\t來嚴格的督促。那我們看到：直在死亡的主要因素也包含翻滾掉落或是物體倒崩塌或是被夾捲這些啊\n257012\t257072\t謝謝委員的指導\n281327\t296333\t關於職安的部分除了既有的相關主管機關勞動部他的根據相關法律檢查之外工程會也去集合除了過去的這些做法之外我們目前正在研議就是一個公共工程的金職獎的評審目前大概是針對\n301996\t319571\t這個公共設施完成之後他的評審或者相關資料我們這個計畫從他一開始動工的時候到完工相關節點都有固定的去查核去評審尤其注重在公共設施的設置那麼希望透過這樣子的動力\n322854\t342137\t讓執行這個機關或承攬商他重視公安的問題來減少公安的發聲我們目的是在過去我要求建立相關的工程履歷可以供外界來查詢那這個相關的建制進度如何來說明一下目前的成效\n345157\t366867\t向委員報告目前重大職災的部分已經納到工程履歷那我們對於要求提高查核的成效也必須要陸續的來提升跟加強另外我們要建立民眾對於相關工程缺失的通報的一個管道以及處理的機制也請說明一下相關人員說明一下\n371426\t385867\t報告委員有關這個全民督工的這個部分目前每年的建築大約有一千件然後我們在處理的時效每一件大概兩天而且在這個民眾的滿意度部分也達到八成\n387162\t406070\t好另外我們對於這個勞工安全之外更要提升我們相關公共工程的一個品質那公共工程的品質就是要提升公共品質的這種公共工程承包業者的這樣一個品質也是我們公共工程委員會一個重要的責任\n406750\t430990\t那在前任主委吳哲成主委時期的這個工程會有提出一個機制就是評分及格最低標的這樣的一個機制那這個部分其實我們有看到說他要求廠商標案的企劃書就服務建議書必須要先通過機關的審查企劃書的評分總平均分數\n432051\t455636\t要高於80分的廠商才能參加後續的議價比價那機關從企劃書及格的廠商之中選擇價格最低的廠商來得標他這樣的用意主委你應該清楚他先淘汰一些不良紀錄的廠商淘汰不良紀錄的廠商來改善最低標有些\n456736\t456856\t﹚指摄\n473305\t499117\t這個部分我已經相當重視了那我們會透過指引或跟各機關來協調希望各機關在辦理公共工程採購的時候在契約裡面在招標過程當中那麼這個服務建議書裡面的審查希望包含它過去的這個一些職災的紀錄或治安的相關但是還有一個問題\n500177\t523032\t我們看近3年平均及格最低標所辦理的件數卻是非常的低你看2021年占所有標案的1.6而已2022年占所有標案的1.4那2023年也是占所有標案的1.4左右那執行的成效不好那當然\n523971\t547836\t他的這樣一個評分及可最低標的執行他有他的困境第一個就是說政府單位對於這個模式還不是很熟悉那還有就是大家所面臨最大的困境還是在於國際趨勢缺工缺料的這個因素政府單位擔心招標困難不去使用你認為有什麼改進的機制嗎\n550078\t569394\t謝謝委員。我想那個評分及格最低標的決標的方式,那麼事實上還有有利標,所以目前採用有利標的可能會比較多,所以乍看之下這個最低標的決標方式比較少。\n570994\t590804\t關於這個缺工缺料或是缺能源等等導致這個機關他比較保守會採用比較能夠決標的方式我想藍磷招標的這樣的因素很多除了缺工之外當然整個希望能夠提出具體的概念\n590964\t590984\t陳柱偉\n","txt":"有請主席陳柱偉有請陳柱偉\n委員長 主委您好 剛才林國成委員也是關注勞工的議題因為林國成委員過去也是美容美髮業 技術工會專攻聯合會理事長 所以我們跟林國成委員對勞工的安全以及權益是相當的一個重視 在過去我們也在要求\n負責全國公共工程以及相關的這樣的一個政府採購的主管機關就是公共工程委員會對於勞工的安全必須要有具體的一個保障所以在過去我們也要求針對政府的公共工程不管是他的公共工程的品質還有勞工的安全的保障相關的查核必須要達到10%以上\n那相關的進度啊是不是請陳主委你有了解嗎來說明一下工程的查核應該要到10%以上\n我想工程會針對相關列管的公共工程一直在做查核當然查核他包括剛才委員所指教的是品質進度當然包括相關的公安的設施那這一部分除了工程會去查核之外也會配合勞動部的相關的\n公安檢查委員會配合委員的要求提高整個查核的比例我們要求相關的這些 不管是工程的品質還有勞工的安全相關的查核必須積材要達到比例10%以上目前的進度有沒有達到請相關的人來說明一下\n報告委員在112年度查核的比例達到11.68%所以有達到這個必須要逐年的提升我們要求這樣對於工程的品質以及勞工的安全才會有更具體的一個保障那我們看相關的這些在過去我們要求加強對於職安法相關的尤其是第6條有關於\n主管來說明\n這也代表的啦建樹雖然減少財務金額越來越高也代表這些公共工程的安全性他的嚴重性是不是也越來越高來說明一下\n主委你看看這三年來三大職災的這些事故的因素跌倒每年平均有3000件\n那被刺被割擦傷啊平均每年都有1900件被捲被夾平均每年啊大概有1500件這若是我們自己的家人喔受了這種這些的傷害的話我想我們一定都很難過所以對勞工的安全我們必須公共工程委員會除了採購除了相關的公共工程的品質要嚴格把關之外對勞工的安全啊公共工程委員會也是必須站在第一線啊\n來嚴格的督促。那我們看到：直在死亡的主要因素也包含翻滾掉落或是物體倒崩塌或是被夾捲這些啊\n謝謝委員的指導\n關於職安的部分除了既有的相關主管機關勞動部他的根據相關法律檢查之外工程會也去集合除了過去的這些做法之外我們目前正在研議就是一個公共工程的金職獎的評審目前大概是針對\n這個公共設施完成之後他的評審或者相關資料我們這個計畫從他一開始動工的時候到完工相關節點都有固定的去查核去評審尤其注重在公共設施的設置那麼希望透過這樣子的動力\n讓執行這個機關或承攬商他重視公安的問題來減少公安的發聲我們目的是在過去我要求建立相關的工程履歷可以供外界來查詢那這個相關的建制進度如何來說明一下目前的成效\n向委員報告目前重大職災的部分已經納到工程履歷那我們對於要求提高查核的成效也必須要陸續的來提升跟加強另外我們要建立民眾對於相關工程缺失的通報的一個管道以及處理的機制也請說明一下相關人員說明一下\n報告委員有關這個全民督工的這個部分目前每年的建築大約有一千件然後我們在處理的時效每一件大概兩天而且在這個民眾的滿意度部分也達到八成\n好另外我們對於這個勞工安全之外更要提升我們相關公共工程的一個品質那公共工程的品質就是要提升公共品質的這種公共工程承包業者的這樣一個品質也是我們公共工程委員會一個重要的責任\n那在前任主委吳哲成主委時期的這個工程會有提出一個機制就是評分及格最低標的這樣的一個機制那這個部分其實我們有看到說他要求廠商標案的企劃書就服務建議書必須要先通過機關的審查企劃書的評分總平均分數\n要高於80分的廠商才能參加後續的議價比價那機關從企劃書及格的廠商之中選擇價格最低的廠商來得標他這樣的用意主委你應該清楚他先淘汰一些不良紀錄的廠商淘汰不良紀錄的廠商來改善最低標有些\n﹚指摄\n這個部分我已經相當重視了那我們會透過指引或跟各機關來協調希望各機關在辦理公共工程採購的時候在契約裡面在招標過程當中那麼這個服務建議書裡面的審查希望包含它過去的這個一些職災的紀錄或治安的相關但是還有一個問題\n我們看近3年平均及格最低標所辦理的件數卻是非常的低你看2021年占所有標案的1.6而已2022年占所有標案的1.4那2023年也是占所有標案的1.4左右那執行的成效不好那當然\n他的這樣一個評分及可最低標的執行他有他的困境第一個就是說政府單位對於這個模式還不是很熟悉那還有就是大家所面臨最大的困境還是在於國際趨勢缺工缺料的這個因素政府單位擔心招標困難不去使用你認為有什麼改進的機制嗎\n謝謝委員。我想那個評分及格最低標的決標的方式,那麼事實上還有有利標,所以目前採用有利標的可能會比較多,所以乍看之下這個最低標的決標方式比較少。\n關於這個缺工缺料或是缺能源等等導致這個機關他比較保守會採用比較能夠決標的方式我想藍磷招標的這樣的因素很多除了缺工之外當然整個希望能夠提出具體的概念\n陳柱偉\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.857 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