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code我如果前端能夠利用這個類似銀行的那個把人民做確認以外對 然後只要少了以後大概所有的基本資料都帶出來了\n您剛才所提到的就是我們會透過這個數位付費卡做一些資訊的回饋那資訊的回饋我想現階段我們會大概以專業農那個8萬人的專業農為主因為他們是集團經營的\n那集團經營比較需要這樣的一個資訊去我們提供客製化的服務包括我們的基本的18個資料庫我們也會結合農地的資料庫、空間的資料庫還會結合氣象的資料庫那這樣的話對於專業農民、集團產區的這些農民能夠更能夠有系統的接收到這樣的一個訊息去調整他們耕作的時間部長那我請教一下你剛剛講的這些東西什麼時候會開始做\n預計什麼時候能夠把它普及化出來?您剛講資料庫都已經建制完成了嘛那您的這一些您剛講的這些作為什麼時候要開始動向?我是希望明年就能夠針對幾個示範的區域位跟縣市我們會跟第一個有很多東西可能要跟縣市合作因為縣市的第一線的公所也要\n能夠願意試用嗎?然後會跟縣市或者是相關的集團產區我們會先導入那導入的過程中其實我們也可以發現他們有哪一些需求還可以再做精進的然後正式的能夠投入的話我們是希望兩年之內就能夠正式的能夠接受願意接受來進來的然後四年之內大概會能夠達到現在實際耕作者你不用這個的時候你可能沒辦法\n拿到任何的一個政府的一個資源。我們會有一些政策誘因去設計。好,部長謝謝您對於這個數位卡的回覆。那我接下來還想要進一步請教就是農業基本法我們現在在處理我們很多農業的問題大概都是用農發條例作為最高的指導位階。\n在2006年就已經有曾經提出過第一版的農業基本法2011年政府也曾經擬定農業基本法的草案但是當時並沒有通過我剛看了一下您的業務報告裡頭其實對於農業基本法沒有特別提出\n部長我可不可以請教你您自己在任的這個時間您覺得你會不會來推動農業基本法那您覺得推動農業基本法有可能會遇到的問題是什麼?您有沒有信心他可以通過?\n我跟委員說明其實從我的構想裡面農業基本法它是一個軸心因為它是一個綱領性的一個上位政策那這個上位政策它其實它破壞了整個農業的整體的長期的方向那我們現在的施政作為都是4年的一個中期計畫你只有長期的施政方向在那邊的時候我的中期才能夠去做一些調整\n所以農業基本法其實它是彰顯了農業的一個價值同時也彰顯了政府對農業的一個企圖心那108年當初提到行政院的時候那當初的幾個內容裡面大概是牽涉到糧食安全的確保然後包括一些農民的一個權益的保障然後包括有一部分的農村的一個發展\n所以你們會不會提出?\n我們會一定會在4年內提出來一個新的版本然後我們也會去說服對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對對\n是不是大家一起努力希望能夠對我也希望到時候我們提出來的時候我們委員能夠來支持好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.069 --> 00:16.684\n接 下 來 我 們 請 邱 議 瑩 委 員 請 做 詢 答 。 謝 謝 莊 委 。 我 是 不 是 請 一 下 陳 部 長 。 我 們 再 請 陳 部 長 。 委 員 長 。 部 長 早 。\n\n00:28.231 --> 00:38.135\n首 先 還 是 恭 喜 您 雖 然 過 去 幾 次 都 在 這 裡 以 代 理 部 長 的 身 份 來 做 詢 問 今 天 應 該 算 是 正 式 第 一 次 是 部 長 的 身 份\n\n00:40.469 --> 00:45.032\n您 的 業 務 報 告 一 直 談 到 了 未 來 的 農 業 要 有 智 慧 、 任 性 、 永 續 、 安 心 這 是 您 未 來 要 推 動 的 主 要 方 向 所 以 我 首 先 要 請 教 您 一 件 事 情\n\n01:10.849 --> 01:32.923\n所 謂 的 智 慧 這 件 事 我 們 都 一 直 講 要 做 智 慧 農 業 包 括 灌 溉 包 括 施 肥 包 括 栽 種 等 等 都 要 把 它 智 慧 化 所 以 我 看 到 你 們 現 在 講 說 要 推 出 一 個 所 謂 的 農 民 數 位 卡 對 不 對 我 可 不 可 以 請 教 一 下 到 底 這 個 農 民 數 位 卡 你 們 要 怎 麼 做\n\n01:33.723 --> 01:50.060\n那 要 如 何 推 動 下 去 因 為 就 我 們 的 瞭 解 現 在 台 灣 的 農 業 人 口 其 實 是 年 齡 層 是 偏 高 的 大 概 5 0 到 6 4 歲 這 個 區 間 是 最 多 人 那 你 們 又 說 這 個 要 往 實 際 從 農 的 農 民 先 扒 行 要 從 專 業 農 民 先 推 廣\n\n01:53.283 --> 02:08.473\n那 什 麼 叫 實 際 從 農 跟 專 業 農 民 這 兩 個 的 區 別 又 是 什 麼 那 你 到 底 要 先 怎 麼 做 讓 農 民 去 認 識 所 謂 的 數 位 卡 然 後 進 而 讓 他 可 以 普 及 化 比 如 5 3 萬 的 農 民 你 最 少 也 要 有\n\n02:10.366 --> 02:15.351\n我 想 跟 委 員 先 說 明 幾 個 數 據 現 在 目 前 有 主 計 總 組 有 調 查 實 際 從 事 農 業 的 人 大 概 5 至 3 萬 人 那 以 農 保 的 部 分 6 5 歲 以 下 的 大 概 3 6 萬 人 所 以 然 後 在 整 個 的 農 家 所 的 統 計 的 專 業 農 民 大 概 8 萬 人\n\n02:34.668 --> 02:35.049\n稍 後 的 會 議\n\n03:19.806 --> 03:34.733\n對 , 農 民 就 是 只 要 你 有 申 請 包 括 你 有 申 請 天 然 災 害 救 助 你 有 申 請 那 個 重 道 或 什 麼 都 有 那 這 個 資 料 庫 本 身 我 想 數 位 服 務 卡 有 兩 個 功 能 一 個 功 能 就 是 我 希 望 說 現 在 很 多 包 括 天 然 災 害 救 助 包 括 補 助 都 是\n\n03:35.473 --> 03:56.642\n申 請 一 個 都 是 紙 本 然 後 都 要 非 常 非 常 久 然 後 又 要 做 後 台 的 勾 結 很 慢 那 你 如 果 有 一 個 數 位 卡 它 有 專 屬 的 Q R c o d e 我 如 果 前 端 能 夠 利 用 這 個 類 似 銀 行 的 那 個 把 人 民 做 確 認 以 外 對 然 後 只 要 少 了 以 後 大 概 所 有 的 基 本 資 料 都 帶 出 來 了\n\n04:00.446 --> 04:10.897\n您 剛 才 所 提 到 的 就 是 我 們 會 透 過 這 個 數 位 付 費 卡 做 一 些 資 訊 的 回 饋 那 資 訊 的 回 饋 我 想 現 階 段 我 們 會 大 概 以 專 業 農 那 個 8 萬 人 的 專 業 農 為 主 因 為 他 們 是 集 團 經 營 的\n\n04:15.422 --> 04:43.198\n那 集 團 經 營 比 較 需 要 這 樣 的 一 個 資 訊 去 我 們 提 供 客 製 化 的 服 務 包 括 我 們 的 基 本 的 1 8 個 資 料 庫 我 們 也 會 結 合 農 地 的 資 料 庫 、 空 間 的 資 料 庫 還 會 結 合 氣 象 的 資 料 庫 那 這 樣 的 話 對 於 專 業 農 民 、 集 團 產 區 的 這 些 農 民 能 夠 更 能 夠 有 系 統 的 接 收 到 這 樣 的 一 個 訊 息 去 調 整 他 們 耕 作 的 時 間 部 長 那 我 請 教 一 下 你 剛 剛 講 的 這 些 東 西 什 麼 時 候 會 開 始 做\n\n04:45.844 --> 05:05.929\n預 計 什 麼 時 候 能 夠 把 它 普 及 化 出 來 ? 您 剛 講 資 料 庫 都 已 經 建 制 完 成 了 嘛 那 您 的 這 一 些 您 剛 講 的 這 些 作 為 什 麼 時 候 要 開 始 動 向 ? 我 是 希 望 明 年 就 能 夠 針 對 幾 個 示 範 的 區 域 位 跟 縣 市 我 們 會 跟 第 一 個 有 很 多 東 西 可 能 要 跟 縣 市 合 作 因 為 縣 市 的 第 一 線 的 公 所 也 要\n\n05:06.849 --> 05:35.102\n能 夠 願 意 試 用 嗎 ? 然 後 會 跟 縣 市 或 者 是 相 關 的 集 團 產 區 我 們 會 先 導 入 那 導 入 的 過 程 中 其 實 我 們 也 可 以 發 現 他 們 有 哪 一 些 需 求 還 可 以 再 做 精 進 的 然 後 正 式 的 能 夠 投 入 的 話 我 們 是 希 望 兩 年 之 內 就 能 夠 正 式 的 能 夠 接 受 願 意 接 受 來 進 來 的 然 後 四 年 之 內 大 概 會 能 夠 達 到 現 在 實 際 耕 作 者 你 不 用 這 個 的 時 候 你 可 能 沒 辦 法\n\n05:35.982 --> 05:55.551\n拿 到 任 何 的 一 個 政 府 的 一 個 資 源 。 我 們 會 有 一 些 政 策 誘 因 去 設 計 。 好 , 部 長 謝 謝 您 對 於 這 個 數 位 卡 的 回 覆 。 那 我 接 下 來 還 想 要 進 一 步 請 教 就 是 農 業 基 本 法 我 們 現 在 在 處 理 我 們 很 多 農 業 的 問 題 大 概 都 是 用 農 發 條 例 作 為 最 高 的 指 導 位 階 。\n\n05:57.191 --> 06:12.539\n在 2 0 0 6 年 就 已 經 有 曾 經 提 出 過 第 一 版 的 農 業 基 本 法 2 0 1 1 年 政 府 也 曾 經 擬 定 農 業 基 本 法 的 草 案 但 是 當 時 並 沒 有 通 過 我 剛 看 了 一 下 您 的 業 務 報 告 裡 頭 其 實 對 於 農 業 基 本 法 沒 有 特 別 提 出\n\n06:14.660 --> 06:29.839\n部 長 我 可 不 可 以 請 教 你 您 自 己 在 任 的 這 個 時 間 您 覺 得 你 會 不 會 來 推 動 農 業 基 本 法 那 您 覺 得 推 動 農 業 基 本 法 有 可 能 會 遇 到 的 問 題 是 什 麼 ? 您 有 沒 有 信 心 他 可 以 通 過 ?\n\n06:31.272 --> 06:56.371\n我 跟 委 員 說 明 其 實 從 我 的 構 想 裡 面 農 業 基 本 法 它 是 一 個 軸 心 因 為 它 是 一 個 綱 領 性 的 一 個 上 位 政 策 那 這 個 上 位 政 策 它 其 實 它 破 壞 了 整 個 農 業 的 整 體 的 長 期 的 方 向 那 我 們 現 在 的 施 政 作 為 都 是 4 年 的 一 個 中 期 計 畫 你 只 有 長 期 的 施 政 方 向 在 那 邊 的 時 候 我 的 中 期 才 能 夠 去 做 一 些 調 整\n\n06:57.051 --> 07:21.939\n所 以 農 業 基 本 法 其 實 它 是 彰 顯 了 農 業 的 一 個 價 值 同 時 也 彰 顯 了 政 府 對 農 業 的 一 個 企 圖 心 那 1 0 8 年 當 初 提 到 行 政 院 的 時 候 那 當 初 的 幾 個 內 容 裡 面 大 概 是 牽 涉 到 糧 食 安 全 的 確 保 然 後 包 括 一 些 農 民 的 一 個 權 益 的 保 障 然 後 包 括 有 一 部 分 的 農 村 的 一 個 發 展\n\n07:22.839 --> 07:23.320\n所 以 你 們 會 不 會 提 出 ?\n\n07:46.581 --> 07:50.363\n我 們 會 一 定 會 在 4 年 內 提 出 來 一 個 新 的 版 本 然 後 我 們 也 會 去 說 服 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 對 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