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那 可 是 也 要 說 明 一 下 在 5 2 0 的 就 職 演 說 當 中 那 我 們 的 總 統 大 概 延 續 的 還 是 既 有 的 維 持 現 狀 的 兩 岸 政 策 的 基 調 跟 路 線\n\n11\n00:04:06,355 --> 00:04:33,794\n中 共 在 批 評 的 所 謂 的 中 華 民 國 跟 中 華 人 民 共 和 國 互 不 隸 屬 那 事 實 上 也 是 在 蔡 前 總 統 的 四 大 堅 持 裡 面 的 第 二 項 堅 持 也 就 是 說 相 關 的 論 述 並 沒 有 出 現 新 的 改 變 那 但 是 中 共 在 這 種 情 況 之 下 國 內 外 社 會 對 於 相 關 的 就 職 演 說 普 遍 肯 定 的 情 況 之 下 還 有 這 場 軍 演 那 我 們 認 為 他 主 要 的 目 的 是 在 對 內 做 宣 傳 對 外 做 宣 示 他 對 台 海 的 情 況 擁 有 相 關 的 主 控 權 那 這 可 能 是 他 的 政 治 目 的 至 於 預 判 的 部 分\n\n12\n00:04:38,496 --> 00:04:56,862\n這 個 我 們 在 過 去 歷 任 的 總 統 的 就 職 時 間 點 就 是 他 就 職 的 時 候 尤 其 是 賴 總 統 就 職 的 時 候 在 時 間 點 上 就 很 敏 感 第 二 天 就 會 經 營 了 所 以 按 照 這 種 的 預 判\n\n13\n00:04:59,989 --> 00:05:26,125\n是 不 是 就 是 會 剛 剛 所 提 的 這 個 所 謂 的 獨 抹 的 一 個 因 素 所 以 這 個 就 是 一 個 警 訊 那 另 外 就 是 賴 總 統 上 任 之 後 兩 岸 局 勢 不 會 和 緩 甚 至 可 能 會 更 嚴 峻 本 席 建 議 國 安 局 系 統 應 該 配 合 陣 戰 在 保 護 情 報 來 源 的 前 提 之 下 以 專 業 判 斷 而 非\n\n14\n00:05:26,693 --> 00:05:47,689\n政 治 決 策 檢 視 什 麼 樣 的 一 個 情 資 可 以 向 民 眾 公 開 ： 如 此 才 能 讓 國 人 信 任 對 國 安 的 團 隊 的 運 作 是 不 是 是 是 這 樣 沒 有 錯 這 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00:07:35,658\n這 一 次 的 經 驗 觀 察 , 新 的 單 位 能 力 , 它 的 能 力 , 新 的 能 力 還 有 它 的 新 的 功 能 , 好 不 好 ? 那 另 外 就 是 , 我 在 這 一 次 的 經 驗 所 看 到 的 真 正 目 的 為 何 ? 是 不 是 為 了 施 壓 還 是 實 戰 化 ?\n\n20\n00:07:38,721 --> 00:08:03,487\n那 中 共 宣 稱 經 驗 目 的 是 要 在 懲 戒 台 獨 警 告 外 部 該 意 識 力 但 共 經 這 一 次 的 經 驗 有 實 彈 且 一 旦 未 發 顯 然 其 目 的 不 是 在 施 壓 或 警 告 更 像 是 為 後 續 進 一 步 的 經 驗 的 作 為 預 言 這 國 安 局 的 情 報 裡 面 千 萬 不 要 只 看 表 面\n\n21\n00:08:04,447 --> 00:08:22,219\n所 以 你 們 要 更 深 入 的 了 解 他 後 續 的 可 能 會 發 生 的 狀 況 你 們 有 沒 有 什 麼 樣 的 一 個 未 來 要 什 麼 樣 的 因 應 剛 剛 在 宿 命 報 告 也 跟 委 員 會 的 各 位 委 員 有 稍 微 提 到 了 他 這 一 次 的 演 習 的 代 號 是 叫 做\n\n22\n00:08:22,839 --> 00:08:50,117\n聯 合 力 建 2 0 2 4 A 那 後 續 會 不 會 有 系 列 的 演 習 是 我 們 關 注 的 主 要 的 重 點 那 第 二 部 分 是 他 是 一 個 脅 迫 性 的 軍 演 那 也 是 剛 剛 陳 委 員 有 特 別 提 到 的 他 在 這 次 的 演 習 過 程 當 中 你 可 以 看 到 他 並 沒 有 劃 設 進 航 區 然 後 他 並 沒 有 進 行 實 彈 的 演 訓 那 同 時 演 習 的 時 間 比 起 過 去 的 兩 場 演 習 來 得 很 短 只 有 兩 天 所 以 你 也 可 以 看 到 共 軍 有 在 做 一 些 風 險 管 控 的 一 個 動 作 在 裡 面 也 就 是 說 在 施 壓 台 灣\n\n23\n00:08:51,098 --> 00:09:16,700\n的 同 時 也 避 免 到 情 勢 的 過 度 升 溫 而 引 起 國 際 社 會 的 高 度 關 注 所 以 你 們 的 報 告 裡 面 聯 合 立 建 的 2 0 2 4 A 可 能 還 會 有 後 續 的 B 、 C 等 國 安 局 認 為 這 個 結 合 是 多 種 的 這 個 武 裝 部 隊 那 執 法 單 位 的 經 驗 演 變 這 個 經 驗 會 變 成 常 態 性 還 是 在 每 一 年 每 一 次 都 會 有\n\n24\n00:09:18,481 --> 00:09:36,817\n對 , 對 , 這 我 們 要 來 注 意 , 因 為 他 本 為 A B C , 也 許 他 會 有 系 列 性 的 分 科 目 的 各 種 的 軍 事 演 訓 , 後 續 還 會 有 相 關 的 整 備 跟 規 劃 , 那 這 也 是 我 們 後 續 要 關 注 的 重 點 , 也 一 開 始 跟 委 員 報 告 了 , 因 為 6 月 到 1 0 月 甚 至 1 1 月 是 他 演 習 的 熱 季 , 所 以 剛 剛 委 員 提 醒 我 們 會 來 注 意 。\n\n25\n00:09:37,734 --> 00:09:58,730\n所 以 現 在 的 共 軍 的 他 的 經 驗 一 直 把 範 圍 一 直 縮 小 就 靠 近 到 我 們 這 個 臺 海 的 這 些 戰 略 的 一 些 區 域 所 以 我 們 特 別 要 注 意 到 就 是 因 為 我 們 現 在 的 一 個 新 的 政 府 我 想 不 要 太 過 於 刺 激 而 且 我 們 應 該 是 處 在 一 個\n\n26\n00:09:59,671 --> 00:10:00,271\n主 席 蔡 明 彥\n\n27\n00:10:17,957 --> 00:10:29,729\n讓 我 們 國 人 都 得 到 一 個 安 全 而 且 是 平 安 的 好 不 好 是 我 們 的 國 安 的 最 高 戰 略 就 是 在 維 持 台 海 地 區 的 和 平 和 穩 定 謝 謝 委 員 的 提 醒 我 們 要 努 力 謝 謝 委 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局長你來說明一下這是國人現在有很多的疑問跟問號你來做一個說明好不好大概幾個面向跟委員做一些補充的說明第一個是大概在二合一選舉之後我們就對中共可能對於台灣各種施壓的動作各種的方案有做過一些評估那基本上的評估我們認為在\n總統大選到520就職之間中共對台的施壓有可能透過這些常態式的軍演來以中度的來對我們施壓那另外在520之後我記得也是在上次貴委員會報告說明的時候有提到520之後要注意的是因為6月到10月甚至有時候到11月的第一週是中共例行軍演的熱季\n那這個階段會不會再有相關運用常態例行的軍演來對台灣有一些針對性的軍事演訓的動作那這是我們在看整個時間架構上認為要注意的重點那第二個剛剛委員有提到中共在這一次軍演過程當中有去宣傳說他是在懲毒或打毒那可是也要說明一下在520的就職演說當中那我們的總統大概延續的還是既有的維持現狀的兩岸政策的基調跟路線\n中共在批評的所謂的中華民國跟中華人民共和國互不隸屬那事實上也是在蔡前總統的四大堅持裡面的第二項堅持也就是說相關的論述並沒有出現新的改變那但是中共在這種情況之下國內外社會對於相關的就職演說普遍肯定的情況之下還有這場軍演那我們認為他主要的目的是在對內做宣傳對外做宣示他對台海的情況擁有相關的主控權那這可能是他的政治目的至於預判的部分\n這個我們在過去歷任的總統的就職時間點就是他就職的時候尤其是賴總統就職的時候在時間點上就很敏感第二天就會經營了所以按照這種的預判\n是不是就是會剛剛所提的這個所謂的獨抹的一個因素所以這個就是一個警訊那另外就是賴總統上任之後兩岸局勢不會和緩甚至可能會更嚴峻本席建議國安局系統應該配合陣戰在保護情報來源的前提之下以專業判斷而非\n政治決策檢視什麼樣的一個情資可以向民眾公開：如此才能讓國人信任對國安的團隊的運作是不是是是這樣沒有錯這是上次在貴院來做提報我們特別去警示到中共後續可能的軍事演訓跟複合式威脅的動態有好\n那我不知道你們這邊有沒有一個情資在20就是聯合立建的2024A的經驗關係的情資有沒有發現到發現到什麼解放軍的信息資源部隊已經在其中\n那過去裡面的這個今年的事業撤銷到戰略支援部隊現在改為成立一個信息支援部隊但是據我們瞭解在今年的過程裡面他就在其中的一個支援部隊你們有沒有掌握這個信息\n這部分跟委員說明一下因為中共的戰略支援部隊在稍早剛好進行改組那把它改編成包括信息支援部隊網路空間部隊以及軍事航天部隊那主要的目的就是在做專業的分工那也在提升也在提升他們在進行認知作戰還有資通訊攻防作戰能力的提升所以確實有在經驗的時候是確實有\n跟委員報告一下在軍演的那兩天我們所收獲的相關的爭議訊息的散佈確實有比較嚴重一點比較嚴重有有對不對對所以現在的這個戰略支援部隊現在改為這個信息的支援部隊對那所以在戰略支援的部隊可能參與本次的青年若是真的我們應該透過\n這一次的經驗觀察,新的單位能力,它的能力,新的能力還有它的新的功能,好不好?那另外就是,我在這一次的經驗所看到的真正目的為何?是不是為了施壓還是實戰化?\n那中共宣稱經驗目的是要在懲戒台獨警告外部該意識力但共經這一次的經驗有實彈且一旦未發顯然其目的不是在施壓或警告更像是為後續進一步的經驗的作為預言這國安局的情報裡面千萬不要只看表面\n所以你們要更深入的了解他後續的可能會發生的狀況你們有沒有什麼樣的一個未來要什麼樣的因應剛剛在宿命報告也跟委員會的各位委員有稍微提到了他這一次的演習的代號是叫做\n聯合力建2024A那後續會不會有系列的演習是我們關注的主要的重點那第二部分是他是一個脅迫性的軍演那也是剛剛陳委員有特別提到的他在這次的演習過程當中你可以看到他並沒有劃設進航區然後他並沒有進行實彈的演訓那同時演習的時間比起過去的兩場演習來得很短只有兩天所以你也可以看到共軍有在做一些風險管控的一個動作在裡面也就是說在施壓台灣\n的同時也避免到情勢的過度升溫而引起國際社會的高度關注所以你們的報告裡面聯合立建的2024A可能還會有後續的B、C等國安局認為這個結合是多種的這個武裝部隊那執法單位的經驗演變這個經驗會變成常態性還是在每一年每一次都會有\n對,對,這我們要來注意,因為他本為ABC,也許他會有系列性的分科目的各種的軍事演訓,後續還會有相關的整備跟規劃,那這也是我們後續要關注的重點,也一開始跟委員報告了,因為6月到10月甚至11月是他演習的熱季,所以剛剛委員提醒我們會來注意。\n所以現在的共軍的他的經驗一直把範圍一直縮小就靠近到我們這個臺海的這些戰略的一些區域所以我們特別要注意到就是因為我們現在的一個新的政府我想不要太過於刺激而且我們應該是處在一個\n主席蔡明彥\n讓我們國人都得到一個安全而且是平安的好不好是我們的國安的最高戰略就是在維持台海地區的和平和穩定謝謝委員的提醒我們要努力謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.822 --> 00:03.995\n有 請 我 們 蔡 局 長 請 蔡 局 長\n\n00:11.069 --> 00:38.199\n好 謝 謝 主 席 黃 仁 早 好 早 這 個 有 關 於 剛 剛 你 所 提 的 恫 嚇 的 一 個 這 個 字 眼 裡 面 來 講 話 我 想 這 8 年 來 都 一 直 是 常 態 性 的 已 經 有 這 樣 的 一 個 動 作 跟 行 為 我 覺 得 今 天 在 剛 剛 前 一 段 時 間 有 看 到 那 個 媒 體 媒 體 特 別 有 報 導 就 是 說 共 青\n\n00:41.448 --> 00:57.755\n我 個 人 覺 得 懷 疑 的 就 是 一 個 對 台 獨 分 裂 勢 力 獨 抹 行 徑 的 懲 罰 這 一 個 字 眼 是 不 是 就 是\n\n00:59.056 --> 01:12.682\n意 味 著 就 是 對 台 獨 的 一 個 動 向 才 會 有 這 樣 的 一 個 恫 嚇 那 當 然 在 聯 合 歷 屆 的 2 0 2 4 驚 艷 的 期 間 為 5 月 2 3 到 5 月 2 4 由 東 部 戰 期 組 織 兵 力 解 放 軍 部 隊 包 含 陸 海 空\n\n01:22.026 --> 01:42.090\n及 火 箭 無 警 部 隊 包 含 海 警 警 船 是 結 合 軍 事 及 執 法 單 位 的 聯 合 行 動 演 習 地 點 位 於 在 臺 灣 本 島 北 南 東 及 金 門 馬 祖 烏 丘 東 營 的 周 邊 所 以 這 一 次 的 經 驗 規 劃 可 能 有 兩 種 狀 況 那 這 兩 種 狀 況 本 席 認 為 國 安 局 能 夠 來 做 一 個 說 明\n\n01:50.111 --> 02:13.206\n第 一 , 對 賴 總 統 就 職 演 說 後 才 著 手 規 劃 的 軍 演 , 中 共 三 天 內 就 可 以 完 成 規 劃 , 動 員 其 各 軍 種 配 合 演 練 , 這 對 我 們 而 言 是 一 個 嚴 重 的 警 訊 , 代 表 共 軍 的 突 襲 能 力 提 升 。\n\n02:21.531 --> 02:47.791\n那 麼 國 安 局 及 各 情 勢 單 位 應 該 早 有 掌 握 情 勢 若 不 知 道 情 勢 就 會 失 職 但 若 是 知 道 情 勢 卻 沒 有 先 向 民 眾 預 告 的 原 因 是 什 麼 之 前 選 舉 期 間 連 衛 星 飛 過 都 要 發 警 報 這 一 次 如 果 預 先 公 開 共 青 可 能 經 驗 的 消 息\n\n02:49.292 --> 03:13.764\n所 以 這 個 局 長 你 來 說 明 一 下 這 是 國 人 現 在 有 很 多 的 疑 問 跟 問 號 你 來 做 一 個 說 明 好 不 好 大 概 幾 個 面 向 跟 委 員 做 一 些 補 充 的 說 明 第 一 個 是 大 概 在 二 合 一 選 舉 之 後 我 們 就 對 中 共 可 能 對 於 台 灣 各 種 施 壓 的 動 作 各 種 的 方 案 有 做 過 一 些 評 估 那 基 本 上 的 評 估 我 們 認 為 在\n\n03:15.725 --> 03:37.772\n總 統 大 選 到 5 2 0 就 職 之 間 中 共 對 台 的 施 壓 有 可 能 透 過 這 些 常 態 式 的 軍 演 來 以 中 度 的 來 對 我 們 施 壓 那 另 外 在 5 2 0 之 後 我 記 得 也 是 在 上 次 貴 委 員 會 報 告 說 明 的 時 候 有 提 到 5 2 0 之 後 要 注 意 的 是 因 為 6 月 到 1 0 月 甚 至 有 時 候 到 1 1 月 的 第 一 週 是 中 共 例 行 軍 演 的 熱 季\n\n03:38.792 --> 04:05.495\n那 這 個 階 段 會 不 會 再 有 相 關 運 用 常 態 例 行 的 軍 演 來 對 台 灣 有 一 些 針 對 性 的 軍 事 演 訓 的 動 作 那 這 是 我 們 在 看 整 個 時 間 架 構 上 認 為 要 注 意 的 重 點 那 第 二 個 剛 剛 委 員 有 提 到 中 共 在 這 一 次 軍 演 過 程 當 中 有 去 宣 傳 說 他 是 在 懲 毒 或 打 毒 那 可 是 也 要 說 明 一 下 在 5 2 0 的 就 職 演 說 當 中 那 我 們 的 總 統 大 概 延 續 的 還 是 既 有 的 維 持 現 狀 的 兩 岸 政 策 的 基 調 跟 路 線\n\n04:06.355 --> 04:33.794\n中 共 在 批 評 的 所 謂 的 中 華 民 國 跟 中 華 人 民 共 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