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他 裡 面 就 是 有 刑 法 第 1 9 條 第 一 項 第 二 項 的 的 一 個 情 侶 就 是 他 精 神 有 障 礙 或 者 心 對 精 神 障 礙 或 心 智 缺 陷 他 沒 辦 法 是 辨 別 他 的 行 為 的 違 反 性 等 或 者 是 顯 著 的 降 低 降 低 那 個 行 為 的 辨 別 而 且 他 最 主 要 他 有 攻 擊 性 他 有 危 害 公 共 安 全\n\n20\n00:07:21,312 --> 00:07:41,003\n那 這 邊 在 偵 審 中 的 話 在 偵 查 審 理 中 的 話 就 檢 察 官 有 沒 有 依 申 請 那 如 果 審 理 中 法 院 法 官 也 會 依 職 權 來 對 那 我 在 檢 察 官 提 出 申 請 的 他 他 有 沒 有 標 準 他 是 不 是 必 須 要 進 行 是 不 是 符 合 符 合 剛 剛 所 講 的 精 神 障 礙 心 智 缺 陷 他 行 為 能 這 個 這 個 我 們\n\n21\n00:07:43,805 --> 00:07:57,164\n這 個 沒 有 對 說 , 因 為 這 個 我 現 在 只 是 想 了 解 說 目 前 我 們 的 狀 況 是 是 由 檢 察 官 就 個 案 自 行 去 認 定 還 是 因 為 你 在 這 個 監 護 處 分 的 部 分 他 是 有 評 估 小 組 的\n\n22\n00:07:58,826 --> 00:08:13,378\n各 位 幫 這 裡 面 有 那 個 一 個 專 家 的 一 個 資 料 庫 我 們 會 請 專 家 來 做 一 個 鑑 定 就 是 說 關 於 這 邊 要 循 環 1 9 那 個 那 個 精 神 障 礙 或 心 智 缺 陷 的 情 形 我 們 會 做 要 做 一 個 一 個 精 神 會 做 鑑 定 嗎 ? 我 們 會 做 一 個 鑑 定\n\n23\n00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:28,066\n我 們 也 有 專 家 知 道 這 部 分 我 們 目 前 檢 察 官 要 做 這 個 要 專 家 來 建 立 因 為 檢 察 官 沒 辦 法 去 判 斷 這 個 是 不 是 有 達 到 那 個 他 要 提 出 這 個 暫 行 安 置 的 申 請\n\n24\n00:08:31,482 --> 00:08:31,642\n有 經 過 鑑 定 嗎 ?\n\n25\n00:08:48,803 --> 00:09:07,161\n那 這 部 分 也 要 不 然 檢 察 官 不 是 醫 生 沒 有 那 個 專 業 好 好 好 這 樣 子 我 就 了 解 了 因 為 我 了 解 說 這 個 監 護 處 分 的 部 分 他 目 前 是 有 經 過 一 個 評 估 小 組 有 依 法 有 評 估 小 組 的 評 估 但 是 在 暫 行 安 置 裡 面\n\n26\n00:09:07,765 --> 00:09:09,487\n暫 時 安 置 暫 時 安 置 發 生 在 案 子\n\n27\n00:09:25,885 --> 00:09:46,188\n發 生 當 下 他 很 緊 急 的 向 法 院 申 請 他 還 有 一 些 這 個 法 院 規 定 的 2 0 小 時 的 問 題 他 比 較 積 壓 的 規 定 嘛 所 以 在 現 實 實 務 上 我 們 當 然 如 果 可 以 的 話 我 們 可 以 緊 急 的 進 行 評 估 如 果 有 些 醫 療 資 源 比 較 欠 缺 的 話 我 們 就 沒 有 辦 法 進 行 緊 急 評 估 的 話 就 由 個 案 的 甲 官 去 認 定 符 不 符 合 我 們 暫 行 安 置 的 要 件\n\n28\n00:09:46,428 --> 00:10:12,542\n對 嘛 , 這 個 比 較 符 合 我 的 理 解 不 可 能 每 一 個 案 子 都 是 去 進 行 鑑 定 鑑 定 之 後 才 申 請 所 以 這 個 部 分 我 是 認 為 說 雖 然 說 法 律 沒 有 明 定 但 是 是 不 是 有 關 暫 行 安 置 的 部 分 我 們 可 以 參 酌 監 護 處 分 的 方 式 有 這 樣 子 相 關 的 評 估 小 組 來 進 行 以 避 免\n\n29\n00:10:14,503 --> 00:10:24,313\n至 少 建 立 一 個 類 似 的 這 樣 子 的 一 個 評 估 的 系 統 標 準 以 避 免 說 這 個 檢 察 官 在 個 案 認 定 上 面 的 困 難 好 不 好 好 謝 謝 委 員\n\n30\n00:10:27,649 --> 00:10:40,388\n這 個 有 關 這 個 現 在 不 管 是 進 行 暫 時 暫 行 的 安 置 或 者 是 監 護 處 處 分 現 在 現 在 因 為 我 們 這 個 這 個 這 個 他 相 關 的 這 個 安 置 安 置 的 場 所 有 有 重 疊 的 部 分 這 個 這 個\n\n31\n00:10:45,270 --> 00:11:05,547\n有 關 這 個 監 護 處 分 的 部 分 它 是 司 法 精 神 醫 院 跟 醫 院 跟 醫 療 院 所 那 你 處 保 這 個 監 護 處 分 的 部 分 它 另 外 還 有 其 他 的 包 括 令 身 心 障 礙 機 構 其 他 適 當 監 護 場 所 甚 至 盡 心 照 顧 等 等 這 些 都 包 括 了\n\n32\n00:11:06,508 --> 00:11:28,116\n那 我 , 因 為 他 有 重 複 的 , 所 以 我 想 要 了 解 就 是 說 目 前 暫 行 安 置 的 , 受 暫 行 安 置 的 跟 監 護 處 分 的 這 些 被 處 分 者 , 他 們 是 有 分 開 處 置 還 是 在 相 同 , 有 可 能 在 同 一 醫 療 院 所 或 同 一 個 共 同 安 置 , 有 這 樣 的 狀 況 嗎 ?\n\n33\n00:11:33,833 --> 00:11:33,953\n沈 發 惠 議 員\n\n34\n00:12:04,695 --> 00:12:09,862\n維 護 保 護 公 共 安 全 的 人 力 及 設 備 標 準 這 部 分 請 法 務 部 提 供 本 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必須要進行是不是符合符合剛剛所講的精神障礙心智缺陷他行為能這個這個我們\n這個沒有對說,因為這個我現在只是想了解說目前我們的狀況是是由檢察官就個案自行去認定還是因為你在這個監護處分的部分他是有評估小組的\n各位幫這裡面有那個一個專家的一個資料庫我們會請專家來做一個鑑定就是說關於這邊要循環19那個那個精神障礙或心智缺陷的情形我們會做要做一個一個精神會做鑑定嗎?我們會做一個鑑定\n我們也有專家知道這部分我們目前檢察官要做這個要專家來建立因為檢察官沒辦法去判斷這個是不是有達到那個他要提出這個暫行安置的申請\n有經過鑑定嗎?\n那這部分也要不然檢察官不是醫生沒有那個專業好好好這樣子我就了解了因為我了解說這個監護處分的部分他目前是有經過一個評估小組有依法有評估小組的評估但是在暫行安置裡面\n暫時安置暫時安置發生在案子\n發生當下他很緊急的向法院申請他還有一些這個法院規定的20小時的問題他比較積壓的規定嘛所以在現實實務上我們當然如果可以的話我們可以緊急的進行評估如果有些醫療資源比較欠缺的話我們就沒有辦法進行緊急評估的話就由個案的甲官去認定符不符合我們暫行安置的要件\n對嘛,這個比較符合我的理解不可能每一個案子都是去進行鑑定鑑定之後才申請所以這個部分我是認為說雖然說法律沒有明定但是是不是有關暫行安置的部分我們可以參酌監護處分的方式有這樣子相關的評估小組來進行以避免\n至少建立一個類似的這樣子的一個評估的系統標準以避免說這個檢察官在個案認定上面的困難好不好好謝謝委員\n這個有關這個現在不管是進行暫時暫行的安置或者是監護處處分現在現在因為我們這個這個這個他相關的這個安置安置的場所有有重疊的部分這個這個\n有關這個監護處分的部分它是司法精神醫院跟醫院跟醫療院所那你處保這個監護處分的部分它另外還有其他的包括令身心障礙機構其他適當監護場所甚至盡心照顧等等這些都包括了\n那我,因為他有重複的,所以我想要了解就是說目前暫行安置的,受暫行安置的跟監護處分的這些被處分者,他們是有分開處置還是在相同,有可能在同一醫療院所或同一個共同安置,有這樣的狀況嗎?\n沈發惠議員\n維護保護公共安全的人力及設備標準這部分請法務部提供本席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.049 --> 00:20.121\n沈 發 惠 委 員 發 言 主 席 我 們 請 鄭 部 長 部 長 委 員 早 部 長 早\n\n00:29.529 --> 00:39.313\n剛 才 我 聽 到 前 面 的 委 員 有 在 關 心 有 相 關 透 過 手 機 訊 號 取 得 人 流 特 性 分 析 的 問 題 有 委 員 提 出 個 案 來 討 論 我 想 這 個 問 題 現 在 如 果 說\n\n00:51.619 --> 01:12.785\n現 在 這 個 議 題 大 家 國 人 關 心 的 話 我 就 是 希 望 說 我 們 是 不 是 就 針 對 這 個 現 在 目 前 相 關 的 這 些 不 管 是 公 務 機 關 或 者 是 商 業 活 動 有 關 於 這 個 透 過 手 機 訊 號 來 做 這 個 人 流 分 析 相 關 的 人 流 分 析 我 想 有 相 當 多 的 個 案 那 這 個 我 這 邊 看 到 這 個 是 公 開 的 新 聞 稿\n\n01:20.389 --> 01:29.836\n這 個 新 北 市 政 府 有 關 他 們 在 宣 傳 他 們 的 這 個 耶 誕 城 這 個 新 北 耶 誕 城 的 交 通 大 數 據 他 們 也 提 到 說 他 們 利 用 手 機 訊 號 等 等 大 數 據 資 料 來 即 時 監 控\n\n01:33.581 --> 01:54.317\n那 我 想 這 個 跟 剛 剛 前 面 委 員 所 提 到 的 案 例 應 該 是 相 當 的 類 似 , 所 以 是 不 是 請 部 長 能 夠 一 併 這 些 案 件 一 併 了 解 好 不 好 ? 是 , 剛 才 委 員 有 提 到 手 機 的 電 位 事 實 上 它 是 沒 有 內 容 的 , 它 跟 我 們 通 訊 監 察 必 須 要 內 容 的 這 些 談 話 的 內 容 , 那 這 個 是 單 純 的 數 據 的 分 析\n\n01:59.180 --> 02:14.426\n對 , 既 然 國 人 有 疑 慮 也 有 委 員 在 委 員 會 提 出 來 那 我 們 就 這 個 問 題 我 們 要 做 了 解 啊 到 底 新 北 市 政 府 的 這 個 他 們 所 做 的 這 個 交 通 大 廈 他 們 所 提 出 的 他 們 自 己 宣 傳 的 說 利 用 g o o g l e 還 有 這 個 利 用 手 機 訊 號\n\n02:16.127 --> 02:34.406\n來 分 析 這 個 人 , 他 們 還 做 出 這 個 人 流 分 析 的 統 計 啦 , 他 的 年 齡 , 他 的 這 個 白 天 上 班 啦 , 他 的 是 年 輕 人 還 是 學 生 他 這 個 都 有 分 析 啊 , 不 是 像 他 們 所 說 的 只 有 昨 天 他 們 新 北 市 政 府 說 他 們 去 個 資 化 之 後 都 只 有 會 場 人 數 滯 留 時 間 來 回 方 向\n\n02:36.949 --> 03:05.448\n他 們 自 己 的 網 頁 裡 面 就 就 新 北 耶 誕 城 人 流 分 析 就 不 只 這 些 資 料 啊 他 也 有 年 齡 、 性 別 、 職 業 等 等 相 關 的 分 析 資 料 所 以 這 個 我 沒 有 說 對 或 不 對 啦 齁 我 只 是 說 這 樣 這 個 顯 然 是 相 同 的 分 析 方 式 嘛 跟 剛 剛 委 員 所 提 的 提 的 是 相 同 的 分 析 方 式 那 就 如 果 這 個 就 能 夠 一 併 一 併 了 解 一 併 調 查 好 不 好 還 有 不 只 是 這 兩 個 案 子 啦 齁 所 有 現 在 目 前 在 商 業 上 面 利 用 這 個 手 機\n\n03:07.129 --> 03:11.910\n這 部 分 大 家 到 底 有 沒 有 有 沒 有 相 關 的 違 法 是 不 是 能 夠 整 個 一 併 調 查 好 不 好 這 個 是 屬 於 那 個 數 據 的 一 個 分 析 這 個 是 應 該 這 個 我 們 再 來 做 一 個 就 是 一 併 處 理 了 一 併 處 理 了 這 個 顯 然 不 是 個 案 這 個 是\n\n03:36.198 --> 03:45.422\n是 新 北 市 政 府 啦 等 等 相 關 的 這 些 商 業 單 位 都 常 常 在 做 的 這 個 手 機 的 訊 號 的 人 流 分 析 大 數 據 的 人 流 分 析 的 確 是 這 部 分 你 並 了 解 啦 是\n\n03:49.193 --> 04:08.629\n接 下 來 我 們 回 到 今 天 的 主 題 有 關 於 暫 行 安 置 與 監 護 處 分 的 部 分 我 們 2 0 2 2 年 1 月 我 們 進 行 立 法 院 針 對 暫 行 安 置 的 部 分 有 刑 事 訴 訟 法 的 修 正 還 有 監 護 處 分 的 部 分 針 對 刑 法 8 7 條 、 9 8 條 、 保 安 處 分 執 行 法 都 在\n\n04:14.270 --> 04:33.180\n這 個 2 0 2 2 年 也 就 是 兩 年 前 的 1 月 做 了 這 個 修 正 對 不 對 部 長 那 做 這 個 修 正 但 是 我 在 這 個 我 從 我 們 的 統 計 連 線 上 面 來 找 大 概 只 能 找 到 到 1 1 1 年 以 前 的 這 個 相 關 的 這 個 辦 理 保 安 處 分 的 情 形 就 是 有 關 這 個 統 計 數 有 關 監 護 有 關 於 這 個 監 護 處 分 的 部 分 有 人 數 的 統 計 數 字\n\n04:41.704 --> 04:55.938\n那 這 個 但 是 他 也 到 1 1 1 年 為 止 所 以 我 想 請 問 部 長 是 不 是 能 夠 現 在 有 沒 有 同 仁 能 夠 提 供 有 關 於 這 個 我 們 這 個 新 制 上 路 之 後 這 個 目 前 被 判 這 個 監 護 處 分\n\n04:58.118 --> 05:18.211\n跟 這 個 暫 行 安 置 他 的 這 個 處 分 的 人 數 現 在 手 上 有 沒 有 資 料 ? 跟 委 員 報 告 那 個 暫 行 安 置 今 年 到 5 月 1 7 號 為 止 是 有 8 人 暫 行 暫 行 安 置 有 8 人 那 那 個 監 護 處 分 這 部 分 到 目 前 就 是 到 5 月 1 7 號 有 2 2 4 人 2 2 4 人 ? 監 護 處 分 ? 監 護 是 2 2 4 人\n\n05:26.462 --> 05:51.267\n那 這 個 因 為 我 們 修 法 之 後 吼 這 個 這 個 有 關 於 監 護 處 分 吼 他 的 這 個 這 個 最 高 的 這 個 可 以 延 長 的 年 限 吼 他 的 這 個 變 成 沒 有 上 限 了 對 沒 有 上 限 那 請 問 部 長 你 們 這 邊 有 沒 有 統 計 目 前 這 個 我 們 所 累 計 吼 目 前 監 護 處 分 最 長 是 多 少 年\n\n05:52.887 --> 06:13.593\n目 前 我 是 沒 有 這 個 資 料 我 另 外 再 提 供 給 委 員 現 在 改 成 沒 有 上 限 了 所 以 現 在 這 個 受 監 護 處 分 的 目 前 最 高 的 年 限 反 正 是 五 年 嘛 後 來 改 成 五 加 三 加 一 而 且 無 限 所 以 我 想 了 解 說 目 前 現 在 受 這 種\n\n06:14.773 --> 06:35.884\n最 長 的 這 部 分 我 再 提 供 給 委 員 請 部 長 這 個 了 解 之 後 再 提 供 資 料 給 本 席 那 這 個 我 現 在 因 為 這 個 新 法 上 路 這 個 新 制 上 路 之 後 我 們 想 要 了 解 有 關 這 個 暫 行 安 置 這 個\n\n06:38.581 --> 06:55.135\n我 們 是 依 這 個 檢 察 官 依 個 案 認 定 還 是 他 有 一 個 一 致 的 統 一 一 致 的 見 解 類 似 像 量 刑 系 統 這 樣 還 有 一 個 統 一 的 說 什 麼 樣 的 情 況 之 下 要 做 暫 行 安 置 還 是 說 完 全 沒 有 任 何 標 準 就 由 檢 察 官 自 行 就 個 案 認 定\n\n06:56.076 --> 07:20.772\n這 根 委 員 報 告 這 個 是 依 據 刑 訴 訴 訟 第 1 2 1 條 之 一 之 一 他 裡 面 就 是 有 刑 法 第 1 9 條 第 一 項 第 二 項 的 的 一 個 情 侶 就 是 他 精 神 有 障 礙 或 者 心 對 精 神 障 礙 或 心 智 缺 陷 他 沒 辦 法 是 辨 別 他 的 行 為 的 違 反 性 等 或 者 是 顯 著 的 降 低 降 低 那 個 行 為 的 辨 別 而 且 他 最 主 要 他 有 攻 擊 性 他 有 危 害 公 共 安 全\n\n07:21.312 --> 07:41.003\n那 這 邊 在 偵 審 中 的 話 在 偵 查 審 理 中 的 話 就 檢 察 官 有 沒 有 依 申 請 那 如 果 審 理 中 法 院 法 官 也 會 依 職 權 來 對 那 我 在 檢 察 官 提 出 申 請 的 他 他 有 沒 有 標 準 他 是 不 是 必 須 要 進 行 是 不 是 符 合 符 合 剛 剛 所 講 的 精 神 障 礙 心 智 缺 陷 他 行 為 能 這 個 這 個 我 們\n\n07:43.805 --> 07:57.164\n這 個 沒 有 對 說 , 因 為 這 個 我 現 在 只 是 想 了 解 說 目 前 我 們 的 狀 況 是 是 由 檢 察 官 就 個 案 自 行 去 認 定 還 是 因 為 你 在 這 個 監 護 處 分 的 部 分 他 是 有 評 估 小 組 的\n\n07:58.826 --> 08:13.378\n各 位 幫 這 裡 面 有 那 個 一 個 專 家 的 一 個 資 料 庫 我 們 會 請 專 家 來 做 一 個 鑑 定 就 是 說 關 於 這 邊 要 循 環 1 9 那 個 那 個 精 神 障 礙 或 心 智 缺 陷 的 情 形 我 們 會 做 要 做 一 個 一 個 精 神 會 做 鑑 定 嗎 ? 我 們 會 做 一 個 鑑 定\n\n08:15.880 --> 08:28.066\n我 們 也 有 專 家 知 道 這 部 分 我 們 目 前 檢 察 官 要 做 這 個 要 專 家 來 建 立 因 為 檢 察 官 沒 辦 法 去 判 斷 這 個 是 不 是 有 達 到 那 個 他 要 提 出 這 個 暫 行 安 置 的 申 請\n\n08:31.482 --> 08:31.642\n有 經 過 鑑 定 嗎 ?\n\n08:48.803 --> 09:07.161\n那 這 部 分 也 要 不 然 檢 察 官 不 是 醫 生 沒 有 那 個 專 業 好 好 好 這 樣 子 我 就 了 解 了 因 為 我 了 解 說 這 個 監 護 處 分 的 部 分 他 目 前 是 有 經 過 一 個 評 估 小 組 有 依 法 有 評 估 小 組 的 評 估 但 是 在 暫 行 安 置 裡 面\n\n09:07.765 --> 09:09.487\n暫 時 安 置 暫 時 安 置 發 生 在 案 子\n\n09:25.885 --> 09:46.188\n發 生 當 下 他 很 緊 急 的 向 法 院 申 請 他 還 有 一 些 這 個 法 院 規 定 的 2 0 小 時 的 問 題 他 比 較 積 壓 的 規 定 嘛 所 以 在 現 實 實 務 上 我 們 當 然 如 果 可 以 的 話 我 們 可 以 緊 急 的 進 行 評 估 如 果 有 些 醫 療 資 源 比 較 欠 缺 的 話 我 們 就 沒 有 辦 法 進 行 緊 急 評 估 的 話 就 由 個 案 的 甲 官 去 認 定 符 不 符 合 我 們 暫 行 安 置 的 要 件\n\n09:46.428 --> 10:12.542\n對 嘛 , 這 個 比 較 符 合 我 的 理 解 不 可 能 每 一 個 案 子 都 是 去 進 行 鑑 定 鑑 定 之 後 才 申 請 所 以 這 個 部 分 我 是 認 為 說 雖 然 說 法 律 沒 有 明 定 但 是 是 不 是 有 關 暫 行 安 置 的 部 分 我 們 可 以 參 酌 監 護 處 分 的 方 式 有 這 樣 子 相 關 的 評 估 小 組 來 進 行 以 避 免\n\n10:14.503 --> 10:24.313\n至 少 建 立 一 個 類 似 的 這 樣 子 的 一 個 評 估 的 系 統 標 準 以 避 免 說 這 個 檢 察 官 在 個 案 認 定 上 面 的 困 難 好 不 好 好 謝 謝 委 員\n\n10:27.649 --> 10:40.388\n這 個 有 關 這 個 現 在 不 管 是 進 行 暫 時 暫 行 的 安 置 或 者 是 監 護 處 處 分 現 在 現 在 因 為 我 們 這 個 這 個 這 個 他 相 關 的 這 個 安 置 安 置 的 場 所 有 有 重 疊 的 部 分 這 個 這 個\n\n10:45.270 --> 11:05.547\n有 關 這 個 監 護 處 分 的 部 分 它 是 司 法 精 神 醫 院 跟 醫 院 跟 醫 療 院 所 那 你 處 保 這 個 監 護 處 分 的 部 分 它 另 外 還 有 其 他 的 包 括 令 身 心 障 礙 機 構 其 他 適 當 監 護 場 所 甚 至 盡 心 照 顧 等 等 這 些 都 包 括 了\n\n11:06.508 --> 11:28.116\n那 我 , 因 為 他 有 重 複 的 , 所 以 我 想 要 了 解 就 是 說 目 前 暫 行 安 置 的 , 受 暫 行 安 置 的 跟 監 護 處 分 的 這 些 被 處 分 者 , 他 們 是 有 分 開 處 置 還 是 在 相 同 , 有 可 能 在 同 一 醫 療 院 所 或 同 一 個 共 同 安 置 , 有 這 樣 的 狀 況 嗎 ?\n\n11:33.833 --> 11:33.953\n沈 發 惠 議 員\n\n12:04.695 --> 12:09.862\n維 護 保 護 公 共 安 全 的 人 力 及 設 備 標 準 這 部 分 請 法 務 部 提 供 本 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