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其 實 不 算 高\n\n3\n00:00:59,168 --> 00:00:59,371\n是 不 是 這 樣 ?\n\n4\n00:01:00,765 --> 00:01:30,365\n我 想 整 個 農 民 退 休 儲 金 在 開 始 的 時 候 一 般 我 們 推 進 一 個 制 度 開 始 會 比 較 緩 慢 因 為 有 些 人 對 這 個 政 策 不 是 那 麼 認 識 然 後 也 不 知 道 政 府 的 態 度 是 怎 麼 樣 子 但 是 經 過 這 幾 年 來 其 實 他 的 目 標 量 其 實 已 經 達 到 我 們 的 一 個 預 期 因 為 現 在 目 前 農 保 6 5 歲 以 下 大 概 3 6 萬 人 所 以 現 在 大 概 1 0 萬 人 的 部 分 我 想 達 到 我 們 當 初 一 個 設 定 的 一 個 目 標 所 以 我 們 未 來 會 更 希 望 都 能 夠 再 逐 步 的 一 個 提 高\n\n5\n00:01:31,025 --> 00:01:49,610\n好 , 我 們 看 原 住 民 , 原 住 民 農 民 參 加 農 民 退 休 儲 金 的 人 數 我 們 看 整 個 這 個 未 滿 6 5 歲 繼 原 住 民 身 份 的 農 保 的 人 數 是 1 3 6 9 4 人\n\n6\n00:01:53,683 --> 00:02:14,230\n那 有 參 加 提 交 農 民 儲 金 的 原 住 民 人 數 只 有 7 8 3 人 這 個 比 例 只 有 5 . 7 % 這 個 比 例 真 的 是 非 常 非 常 的 低 我 們 看 這 個 人 口 數 最 多 的 話 這 個 就 有\n\n7\n00:02:16,136 --> 00:02:36,656\n農 保 的 話 如 果 有 農 保 的 在 臺 東 縣 2 8 4 5 人 未 滿 6 5 歲 的 那 這 個 他 參 加 提 繳 農 退 儲 金 的 人 數 原 住 民 人 數 只 有 1 5 9 人 所 以 這 個 比 例 真 的 是 很 差 距 很 大 所 以 這 樣 的 一 個\n\n8\n00:02:39,181 --> 00:02:59,666\n也 許 是 先 導 的 問 題 。 也 許 是 什 麼 ? 是 不 是 講 不 出 ? 還 是 不 了 解 ? 不 了 解 就 是 先 導 的 問 題 。 所 以 這 個 農 業 部 這 邊 有 什 麼 可 以 讓 提 角 力 能 夠 提 高 的 方 法 ?\n\n9\n00:03:00,476 --> 00:03:15,273\n我 想 第 一 個 就 是 其 實 農 業 部 現 在 正 在 規 劃 針 對 原 住 民 的 一 個 農 業 的 政 策 因 為 原 住 民 其 實 他 守 護 了 這 片 山 林 其 實 他 是 有 貢 獻 的 但 是 因 為 原 住 民 的 部 落 他 是 分 散 在 在\n\n10\n00:03:16,594 --> 00:03:16,614\n委 員 會 議 員\n\n11\n00:03:35,646 --> 00:04:03,788\n因 為 他 對 於 政 策 了 解 了 以 後 他 才 會 有 加 入 的 一 個 意 願 那 這 個 部 分 我 想 我 們 未 來 一 定 會 更 加 的 一 個 努 力 好 , 剛 才 部 長 的 回 應 確 實 非 常 好 就 是 說 這 個 事 實 上 我 們 確 實 是 比 較 善 機 啦 在 沿 鄉 第 7 尤 其 是 這 個 山 區 的 部 分 是 善 機 這 個 在 宣 傳 上 如 果 只 靠 一 張 的 文 宣 是 沒 有 辦 法\n\n12\n00:04:04,488 --> 00:04:18,560\n哈 去 讓 農 民 哈 去 了 解 哈 所 以 這 個 部 分 怎 麼 樣 去 拖 過 各 種 的 管 道 哈 比 如 說 除 了 剛 才 部 長 所 說 的 管 道 之 外 哈 最 基 最 基 礎 的 哈\n\n13\n00:04:19,895 --> 00:04:36,145\n因 為 農 會 他 也 是 人 力 有 限 所 以 怎 麼 樣 去 透 過 這 個 鄉 公 所 鄉 鎮 公 所 還 有 這 個 村 里 長 然 後 就 是 這 個 鄉 公 所\n\n14\n00:04:39,935 --> 00:04:59,458\n也 有 一 些 我 們 的 相 關 的 這 些 顏 名 會 相 關 的 顏 家 中 心 家 庭 服 務 中 心 家 庭 服 務 中 心 的 他 們 可 以 多 一 些 管 道 讓 這 個 原 住 民 的 農 民 能 夠 了 解 不 然 他 這 個 真 的 是 太 低 了 就 很 可 惜 了 對 不 對\n\n15\n00:05:01,039 --> 00:05:26,335\n所 以 這 個 部 分 就 請 農 業 部 可 以 會 同 延 民 會 去 協 助 ﹖ 去 協 助 ﹖ 來 去 落 實 。 接 下 來 工 糧 收 購 這 個 部 分 我 們 的 召 委 在 今 年 的 3 月 4 日 在 這 裡 質 詢 希 望 工 糧 收 購 價 提 高 到 3 8 塊\n\n16\n00:05:28,936 --> 00:05:50,303\n當 天 這 個 部 長 就 說 要 再 去 做 研 提 方 案 這 個 立 法 院 也 有 這 樣 的 一 個 委 員 會 的 一 個 結 議 請 你 們 去 研 議 所 以 當 時 部 長 是 說 一 個 月 提 出 這 個 方 案 請 問 現 在 方 案 如 何\n\n17\n00:05:52,403 --> 00:06:09,060\n我 想 之 前 在 代 理 部 長 的 時 候 其 實 農 業 部 也 提 了 一 個 方 案 根 據 立 法 院 的 要 求 提 了 一 個 方 案 那 那 個 方 案 我 們 是 覺 得 他 不 適 合 提 高 供 糧 收 購 但 是 我 在 這 邊 也 跟 委 員 說 明 就 是 說 因 為\n\n18\n00:06:10,561 --> 00:06:36,337\n陸 陸 續 續 有 更 多 的 委 員 針 對 這 個 議 題 表 達 他 的 關 切 那 其 實 我 們 共 同 的 目 標 就 是 怎 麼 樣 讓 我 們 的 農 民 還 有 稻 農 的 所 得 確 保 或 者 提 高 那 在 這 個 共 同 目 標 之 下 我 們 現 在 正 在 做 非 常 多 的 方 案 的 評 估 公 糧 的 價 格 提 高 只 是 方 案 之 一 就 是 一 個 選 項 但 是 它 不 是 一 個 唯 一 的 選 項 我 們 有 沒 有\n\n19\n00:06:36,997 --> 00:06:37,017\n委 員 會 議 員\n\n20\n00:06:58,220 --> 00:06:59,321\n部 長 , 要 掌 握 時 間 , 我 所 謂 的 掌 握 時 間 是 因 為\n\n21\n00:07:19,555 --> 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這個立法院也有這樣的一個委員會的一個結議 請你們去研議所以當時部長是說一個月提出這個方案 請問現在方案如何\n我想之前在代理部長的時候其實農業部也提了一個方案根據立法院的要求提了一個方案那那個方案我們是覺得他不適合提高供糧收購但是我在這邊也跟委員說明就是說因為\n陸陸續續有更多的委員針對這個議題表達他的關切那其實我們共同的目標就是怎麼樣讓我們的農民還有稻農的所得確保或者提高那在這個共同目標之下我們現在正在做非常多的方案的評估公糧的價格提高只是方案之一就是一個選項但是它不是一個唯一的選項我們有沒有\n委員會議員\n部長,要掌握時間,我所謂的掌握時間是因為\n現在開始要籌編明年的預算了現在開始要籌編這個行政的程序、流程主計總署還有相關的部會、行政院、院會要通過所以這個部分是要掌握那個時間好不好?了解好,最後這個老年農民福利津貼從民國84年5月到現在\n都還在到目前為止還在暫行條例\n戰刑條例本來它就是一個有階段性的但是現在已經是常態了所以這個法律也要修了就不要再繼續戰刑了就直接就是一個老年農民福利津貼的條例所以這個部分這個是一個立法最起碼也要把它完成的部分可以嗎?\n我跟委員說明就是農民福利經濟的戰警條例之前在上個會期有曾經討論到很多委員的版本那其中最沒爭議的就是把戰警條例拿掉了戰警這兩個字但是裡面有牽扯到相關的這些\n委員會主席\n而且這個考量一定有它的一個橫平性跟其他的八大福利津貼去做一個衡量這是第一個要說明的第二個部分就是以農業部來講農民福利津貼是一個支撐農民退休以後的生活那我們現在有了一個另外一個農民退休儲金那如果說以農民退休儲金的方式再去做支撐的時候我相信未來一定會比單純去領老農福利津貼的金額還高\n好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.890 --> 00:28.067\n請 鄭 天 財 委 員 請 做 訊 談 主 席 、 各 位 委 員 、 有 請 部 長 我 們 再 請 陳 部 長 部 長 好 根 據 你 今 天 的 報 告\n\n00:30.672 --> 00:57.858\n我 們 看 這 個 最 右 下 方 的 農 民 退 休 儲 金 農 民 退 休 儲 金 到 今 年 的 4 月 有 1 0 . 6 萬 人 參 加 農 民 退 休 儲 金 參 加 的 比 例 3 1 % 這 樣 的 比 例 你 的 目 標 是 3 5 % 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