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細 則 有 規 範 就 是 說 在 預 測 前 我 們 各 項 數 字 我 們 大 概 不 能 對 外 透 露 所 以 這 個 部 分 我 們 原 則 上 大 概 會 等 到 明 天 的 一 個 初 估 的 會 議 之 後 有 應 該 要 發 佈 的 訊 息 我 們 就 會 對 外 來 做 發 佈 以 上 說 明\n\n8\n00:02:34,821 --> 00:02:50,566\n主 計 長 有 媒 體 報 導 國 會 設 定 的 目 標 和 主 計 總 處 今 年 二 月 的 預 測 數 3 . 4 3 % 相 差 無 幾 上 月 底 由 於 第 一 季 G D P 概 估 優 於 預 期 經 濟 成 長 預 測 調 升 3 . 5 7 %\n\n9\n00:02:57,368 --> 00:03:22,637\n這 個 雖 然 是 調 聲 但 並 不 代 表 情 勢 大 而 且 在 去 年 整 個 同 期 的 情 況 太 差 所 以 當 前 整 個 經 濟 情 勢 也 只 不 過 是 回 穩 那 我 請 問 主 計 長 你 認 為 媒 體 針 對 主 計 總 處 預 測 的 看 法 到 底 是 過 於 悲 觀 還 是 有 所 本 你 的 看 法 呢\n\n10\n00:03:23,615 --> 00:03:45,075\n因 為 我 們 本 來 就 是 說 如 果 以 第 一 季 6 . 5 1 的 各 項 數 據 去 推 算 它 至 少 一 定 是 3 . 5 7 啦 其 他 維 持 不 變 這 樣 子 因 為 我 知 道 去 年 是 有 一 些 狀 況 是 不 好 所 以 是 比 較 低 所 以 說 未 來 勒 妳 未 來 是 看 好 還 是 走 平 還 是 一 樣 能 夠 維 持 至 少 我 的 看 法 是 至 少 3 . 5 啦\n\n11\n00:03:46,860 --> 00:04:09,353\n就 是 最 少 最 底 線 就 是 3 . 5 7 % 是 不 是 這 個 數 字 還 是 要 等 到 明 天 我 們 推 估 小 組 的 一 個 會 議 之 後 我 們 再 對 外 來 做 公 布 詳 細 的 公 布 那 個 主 計 長 我 再 請 教 主 計 總 處 二 月 底 曾 經 上 調 今 年 的 整 個 消 費 者 物 價 指 數 C P I 年 增 率 到 1 . 8 5 % 但 當 時 還 沒 有 納 入 電 價 的 調 漲 因 為 四 月 份 電 價 調 漲\n\n12\n00:04:15,956 --> 00:04:37,811\n的 因 素 再 加 上 整 個 服 務 服 務 類 的 物 價 有 僵 固 性 外 食 會 和 房 租 可 以 說 這 個 漲 勢 都 沒 有 停 過 所 以 說 整 體 國 內 的 整 個 物 價 上 漲 的 壓 力 依 舊 是 存 在 那 主 計 長 大 多 數 人 一 日 三 餐\n\n13\n00:04:39,172 --> 00:04:39,192\n主 計 長\n\n14\n00:05:04,358 --> 00:05:15,546\n目 前 穩 定 物 價 小 組 的 機 制 在 貧 物 差 距 越 來 越 大 的 社 會 形 態 下 請 問 你 認 為 運 作 的 機 制 足 夠 符 合 多 數 民 意 的 期 待 嗎 ?\n\n15\n00:05:16,947 --> 00:05:30,097\n原 則 上 因 為 物 價 的 一 個 上 漲 有 趨 緩 有 趨 緩 喔 那 現 在 如 果 說 是 看 就 是 我 本 來 是 預 估 1 . 8 5 1 . 8 5 但 是 問 題 就 是 說 因 為 電 價 的 調 漲 那 電 價 的 調 漲 他 一 整 年 影 響 的 一 個 如 果 是\n\n16\n00:05:37,362 --> 00:05:42,849\n所 以 說 你 認 為 很 低 , 不 影 響 是 嗎 ? 會 有 影 響 , 但 是 問 題 是 說 , 如 果 是 這 樣 的 話 應 該 是 由 1 . 8 5 調 升 到 2 . 0 3 影 響 , 因 為 從 4 月 開 始 到 後 面 的 一 段 這 樣 子 的 影 響 應 該 會 調 升 到 2 . 0 3 出 估 啦\n\n17\n00:05:58,366 --> 00:06:22,043\n主 顧 應 該 是 這 樣 子 一 個 做 調 整 那 這 個 部 分 呢 因 為 有 時 候 為 什 麼 會 覺 得 物 價 指 數 他 會 感 受 到 很 深 因 為 我 們 是 其 實 整 個 是 3 6 8 項 來 做 物 價 這 整 個 一 個 做 調 查 但 是 有 的 是 經 常 性 在 買 的 他 感 受 就 比 較 深 有 的 是 他 不 是 很 經 常 性 在 買 的 他 感 受 就 沒 有 那 麼 深 像 我 們 譬 如 說 電 視 機 他 調 降 8 點 多 但 是 沒 有 感 覺 因 為 他 很 久 才 會 買 一 次 所 以 這 就 沒 有 感 覺\n\n18\n00:06:27,447 --> 00:06:55,514\n據 瞭 解 行 政 院 穩 定 物 價 小 組 關 注 了 1 7 項 重 要 的 民 生 物 價 互 成 長 0 . 1 6 % 主 要 是 因 為 雞 蛋 這 個 跌 價 跌 幅 2 2 . 2 9 % 是 重 要 民 生 物 價 4 年 來 首 次 互 成 長 的 主 因 那 請 問 主 計 長 民 生 物 價 的 漲 跌 消 費 市 場 是 不 是 也 應 該 要 如 實 的 反 應\n\n19\n00:06:57,163 --> 00:07:25,850\n應 該 要 不 要 其 實 我 們 每 次 都 有 針 對 1 7 項 的 一 個 中 華 民 生 物 價 做 調 查 不 是 調 查 而 已 啦 是 是 是 那 你 你 漲 的 時 候 你 漲 下 跌 的 時 候 是 不 是 也 應 該 要 下 跌 要 如 實 的 反 應 那 其 實 物 價 穩 定 小 組 他 都 有 針 對 這 個 來 做 一 個 反 應 譬 如 說 有 的 譬 如 說 想 想 他 原 來 譬 如 說 我 可 能 價 格 維 持 然 後 那 個 量 減 少 那 這 個 部 分 的 我 們 的\n\n20\n00:07:26,730 --> 00:07:50,085\n主 計 長 講 一 些 空 話 都 沒 有 用 實 際 上 你 物 價 上 漲 了 那 你 當 然 他 這 個 很 多 這 個 一 些 消 費 市 場 你 像 那 個 我 就 舉 早 餐 店 好 了 對 不 對 這 個 其 實 吼 但 價 回 跌 但 是 看 不 到 外 食 族 消 費 價 格 有 反 應 啊 對 不 對\n\n21\n00:07:51,175 --> 00:08:18,491\n一 顆 蛋 你 在 這 個 買 一 個 不 管 你 任 何 什 麼 漢 堡 什 麼 的 話 他 還 是 最 少 1 5 塊 錢 阿 你 蛋 價 跌 他 有 沒 有 跌 一 樣 沒 有 跌 阿 對 不 對 主 計 長 因 為 蛋 價 在 市 場 供 過 於 求 的 狀 況 下 各 地 的 蛋 商 面 臨 囤 蛋 阿 的 壓 力 使 得 蛋 價 確 定 有 再 降 價 的 可 能 但 是 有 民 眾 發 現 早 餐 店 阿 加 一 顆 蛋 最 少 是 1 5 塊 所 以 說\n\n22\n00:08:22,053 --> 00:08:33,578\n這 個 讓 這 些 消 費 者 感 到 不 滿 就 問 早 餐 店 為 什 麼 把 人 民 啊 好 像 當 盤 子 一 樣 那 我 請 問 主 計 長 你 認 為 外 食 族 僵 固 化 是 不 是 必 然 的 現 象\n\n23\n00:08:35,353 --> 00:08:56,861\n有 時 候 是 這 樣 子 就 是 說 你 上 漲 下 去 要 調 漲 下 來 這 一 點 是 有 漲 上 去 很 快 啦 調 下 來 很 難 啦 所 以 說 你 認 為 需 不 需 要 較 為 有 效 的 方 法 或 管 道 能 夠 打 破 這 些 僵 固 性 必 然 的 現 象 來 回 歸 消 費 這 個 正 常 供 需 的 價 格\n\n24\n00:08:58,134 --> 00:09:25,750\n你 認 為 有 沒 有 不 要 我 們 這 個 會 提 供 給 相 關 單 位 來 參 考 然 後 請 他 們 來 研 議 那 你 要 是 說 真 的 都 找 不 到 的 話 那 只 有 好 像 用 抵 制 的 方 式 讓 消 費 者 才 能 夠 讓 這 些 價 格 回 歸 合 理 化 對 不 對 因 為 齁 一 般 啦 外 食 族 他 們 現 在 感 受 的 就 你 只 要 漲 上 去 他 就 下 不 來 了 啦 大 家 很 清 楚 你 齁 過 去 可 能 你 買 一 個 這 個\n\n25\n00:09:28,868 --> 00:09:29,168\n主 席\n\n26\n00:09:46,852 --> 00:09:49,554\n那 媒 體 報 導 主 計 總 處 官 員 分 析 通 膨 以 及 升 息 等 因 素 是 黃 豬 漲 價 居 高 的 關 鍵 那 我 請 問 主 計 長\n\n27\n00:10:10,794 --> 00:10:27,614\n就 國 內 目 前 整 個 市 場 的 狀 況 你 認 為 已 經 調 漲 價 格 的 房 屋 的 租 金 降 租 是 不 是 也 有 僵 固 性 你 認 為 會 不 會 上 去 會 不 會 下 來 目 前 的 趨 勢 是 反 漲 房 租 是 反 漲 的 趨 勢\n\n28\n00:10:31,601 --> 00:10:45,982\n主 計 長 因 為 根 據 防 重 業 者 的 統 計 今 年 首 季 全 台 預 售 屋 總 銷 售 金 額 突 破 五 千 億 大 關 創 下 歷 史 的 新 高 征 服 高 達 百 分 之 一 百 二 十 四 點 八\n\n29\n00:10:46,983 --> 00:11:13,389\n那 房 市 歷 經 一 連 串 打 草 房 的 政 策 ． 以 及 央 行 連 升 息 的 影 響 下 ． 房 價 依 舊 持 續 的 上 揚 ． 不 少 人 等 不 到 房 價 下 跌 ． 來 加 緊 腳 步 購 屋 ． 也 推 升 了 整 體 交 易 量 能 ． 尤 其 是 新 浪 市 場 買 機 ． 非 常 的 驚 人 ． 面 對 萬 物 起 漲 唯 獨 只 有 薪 水 不 漲 ． 那\n\n30\n00:11:16,038 --> 00:11:21,573\n買 房 男 阿 現 在 連 租 屋 都 快 變 成 男 上 加 男 我 請 問 主 計 長 你 認 為 民 眾 對 政 府\n\n31\n00:11:24,932 --> 00:11:51,515\n又 能 夠 有 什 麼 樣 的 一 個 期 待 ? 你 認 為 呢 ? 事 實 上 我 們 在 社 會 住 宅 或 者 是 說 在 租 金 的 一 個 補 貼 方 面 各 部 會 也 有 提 供 很 多 的 社 會 住 宅 很 多 而 且 過 去 講 2 0 萬 戶 實 際 上 落 差 很 大 反 不 及 急 很 多 年 輕 人 真 的 他 們 一 出 了 社 會 他 們 就\n\n32\n00:11:52,276 --> 00:12:10,233\n沒 有 辦 法 就 是 立 足 就 是 我 所 賺 的 錢 可 能 護 了 房 租 以 後 延 伸 文 匯 都 有 困 難 啦 我 相 信 主 計 總 處 你 們 跟 政 府 各 單 位 平 行 的 單 位 要 好 好 的 去 探 討 研 究 看 怎 麼 來 解 決 這 些 問 題 啦 好 不 好 謝 謝 好 謝 謝 林 德 福 委 員 的 諮 詢 緊 接 著 我 們 請 胡 秉 樂 委 員 諮 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妳未來是看好還是走平還是一樣能夠維持至少 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如果以第一季6.51的各項數據去推算它至少一定是3.57啦 其他維持不變這樣子因為我知道去年是有一些狀況是不好 所以是比較低所以說未來勒 妳未來是看好還是走平還是一樣能夠維持至少 我的看法是至少3.5啦\n就是最少最底線就是3.57%是不是這個數字還是要等到明天我們推估小組的一個會議之後我們再對外來做公布詳細的公布那個主計長我再請教主計總處二月底曾經上調今年的整個消費者物價指數CPI年增率到1.85%但當時還沒有納入電價的調漲因為四月份電價調漲\n的因素再加上整個服務服務類的物價有僵固性外食會和房租可以說這個漲勢都沒有停過所以說整體國內的整個物價上漲的壓力依舊是存在那主計長大多數人一日三餐\n主計長\n目前穩定物價小組的機制在貧物差距越來越大的社會形態下請問你認為運作的機制足夠符合多數民意的期待嗎?\n原則上因為物價的一個上漲有趨緩有趨緩喔那現在如果說是看就是我本來是預估1.851.85但是問題就是說因為電價的調漲那電價的調漲他一整年影響的一個如果是\n所以說你認為很低,不影響是嗎?會有影響,但是問題是說,如果是這樣的話應該是由1.85調升到2.03影響,因為從4月開始到後面的一段這樣子的影響應該會調升到2.03出估啦\n主顧應該是這樣子一個做調整那這個部分呢因為有時候為什麼會覺得物價指數他會感受到很深因為我們是其實整個是368項來做物價這整個一個做調查但是有的是經常性在買的他感受就比較深有的是他不是很經常性在買的他感受就沒有那麼深像我們譬如說電視機他調降8點多但是沒有感覺因為他很久才會買一次所以這就沒有感覺\n據瞭解行政院穩定物價小組關注了17項重要的民生物價互成長0.16%主要是因為雞蛋這個跌價跌幅22.29%是重要民生物價4年來首次互成長的主因那請問主計長民生物價的漲跌消費市場是不是也應該要如實的反應\n應該要不要其實我們每次都有針對17項的一個中華民生物價做調查不是調查而已啦是是是那你你漲的時候你漲下跌的時候是不是也應該要下跌要如實的反應那其實物價穩定小組他都有針對這個來做一個反應譬如說有的譬如說想想他原來譬如說我可能價格維持然後那個量減少那這個部分的我們的\n主計長講一些空話都沒有用實際上你物價上漲了那你當然他這個很多這個一些消費市場你像那個我就舉早餐店好了對不對這個其實吼但價回跌但是看不到外食族消費價格有反應啊對不對\n一顆蛋你在這個買一個不管你任何什麼漢堡什麼的話他還是最少15塊錢阿你蛋價跌他有沒有跌一樣沒有跌阿對不對主計長因為蛋價在市場供過於求的狀況下各地的蛋商面臨囤蛋阿的壓力使得蛋價確定有再降價的可能但是有民眾發現早餐店阿加一顆蛋最少是15塊所以說\n這個讓這些消費者感到不滿就問早餐店為什麼把人民啊好像當盤子一樣那我請問主計長你認為外食族僵固化是不是必然的現象\n有時候是這樣子就是說你上漲下去要調漲下來這一點是有漲上去很快啦調下來很難啦所以說你認為需不需要較為有效的方法或管道能夠打破這些僵固性必然的現象來回歸消費這個正常供需的價格\n你認為有沒有不要我們這個會提供給相關單位來參考然後請他們來研議那你要是說真的都找不到的話那只有好像用抵制的方式讓消費者才能夠讓這些價格回歸合理化對不對因為齁一般啦外食族他們現在感受的就你只要漲上去他就下不來了啦大家很清楚你齁過去可能你買一個這個\n主席\n那媒體報導主計總處官員分析通膨以及升息等因素是黃豬漲價居高的關鍵那我請問主計長\n就國內目前整個市場的狀況你認為已經調漲價格的房屋的租金降租是不是也有僵固性你認為會不會上去會不會下來目前的趨勢是反漲房租是反漲的趨勢\n主計長因為根據防重業者的統計今年首季全台預售屋總銷售金額突破五千億大關創下歷史的新高征服高達百分之一百二十四點八\n那房市歷經一連串打草房的政策．以及央行連升息的影響下．房價依舊持續的上揚．不少人等不到房價下跌．來加緊腳步購屋．也推升了整體交易量能．尤其是新浪市場買機．非常的驚人．面對萬物起漲唯獨只有薪水不漲．那\n買房男阿現在連租屋都快變成男上加男我請問主計長你認為民眾對政府\n又能夠有什麼樣的一個期待?你認為呢?事實上我們在社會住宅或者是說在租金的一個補貼方面各部會也有提供很多的社會住宅很多而且過去講20萬戶實際上落差很大反不及急很多年輕人真的他們一出了社會他們就\n沒有辦法就是立足就是我所賺的錢可能護了房租以後延伸文匯都有困難啦我相信主計總處你們跟政府各單位平行的單位要好好的去探討研究看怎麼來解決這些問題啦好不好謝謝好謝謝林德福委員的諮詢緊接著我們請胡秉樂委員諮詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.016 --> 00:02.918\n有 請 陳 主 計 長 主 計 長 你 好\n\n00:14.673 --> 00:31.841\n我 想 國 發 會 將 發 布 四 月 景 氣 的 燈 號 那 預 期 將 會 連 市 率 而 且 因 為 第 一 季 整 個 出 口 表 現 優 於 預 期 媒 體 報 導 主 計 總 處 可 望 上 修 今 年 的 整 個 經 濟 成 長 力 到 3 . 5 % 以 上\n\n00:35.262 --> 00:59.163\n那 主 計 長 租 錢 主 計 長 5 月 初 說 今 年 以 來 整 個 出 口 的 單 價 出 口 量 雙 雙 成 長 那 代 表 貿 易 條 件 並 未 惡 化 對 未 來 整 個 景 氣 謹 慎 樂 觀 那 我 請 問 你 怎 麼 看 今 年 第 二 季 以 後 整 個 國 內 與 國 外 的 景 氣 狀 況 呢\n\n01:02.927 --> 01:29.162\n是 , 我 們 今 年 初 估 是 3 . 4 3 但 是 第 一 季 呈 現 的 結 果 就 是 高 達 6 . 5 1 所 以 如 果 我 們 根 據 這 以 上 的 一 個 條 件 來 做 其 他 都 條 件 都 不 動 來 正 調 整 大 概 是 會 有 新 聞 上 面 所 報 導 的 就 會 超 過 3 . 5 對 , 3 . 5 那 你 會 認 為 第 二 季 以 後 會 變 得 更 好 或 者 是 會 不 會 有 什 麼 其 他 變 化 會 變 得 更 快 反 轉 等 等 , 會 不 會 ?\n\n01:31.483 --> 01:58.971\n因 為 本 身 我 們 情 況 是 持 續 看 好 那 你 認 為 未 來 就 是 第 三 季 第 四 季 都 會 第 二 季 以 後 都 看 好 原 則 上 因 為 當 然 第 一 季 是 比 較 表 現 很 突 出 但 是 我 覺 得 我 們 初 估 是 三 點 如 果 說 是 以 三 點 五 以 上 那 你 認 為 會 不 會 持 續 再 好 還 是 會 不 會 有 停 頓 或 者 是 往 下 走\n\n01:59.491 --> 02:11.667\n面 子 上 應 該 是 維 持 3 點 多 這 個 狀 況 那 但 是 因 為 我 們 大 概 在 5 月 3 0 號 我 們 會 有 一 個 初 步 的 小 組 會 在 做 整 個 人 一 個 預 測 那 這 預 測 的 一 個 情 形 我 們 也 會 對 外 面 來 公 佈 就 是 說 整 個 預 測 的 情 形\n\n02:16.733 --> 02:30.079\n因 為 我 們 統 計 法 施 行 細 則 有 規 範 就 是 說 在 預 測 前 我 們 各 項 數 字 我 們 大 概 不 能 對 外 透 露 所 以 這 個 部 分 我 們 原 則 上 大 概 會 等 到 明 天 的 一 個 初 估 的 會 議 之 後 有 應 該 要 發 佈 的 訊 息 我 們 就 會 對 外 來 做 發 佈 以 上 說 明\n\n02:34.821 --> 02:50.566\n主 計 長 有 媒 體 報 導 國 會 設 定 的 目 標 和 主 計 總 處 今 年 二 月 的 預 測 數 3 . 4 3 % 相 差 無 幾 上 月 底 由 於 第 一 季 G D P 概 估 優 於 預 期 經 濟 成 長 預 測 調 升 3 . 5 7 %\n\n02:57.368 --> 03:22.637\n這 個 雖 然 是 調 聲 但 並 不 代 表 情 勢 大 而 且 在 去 年 整 個 同 期 的 情 況 太 差 所 以 當 前 整 個 經 濟 情 勢 也 只 不 過 是 回 穩 那 我 請 問 主 計 長 你 認 為 媒 體 針 對 主 計 總 處 預 測 的 看 法 到 底 是 過 於 悲 觀 還 是 有 所 本 你 的 看 法 呢\n\n03:23.615 --> 03:45.075\n因 為 我 們 本 來 就 是 說 如 果 以 第 一 季 6 . 5 1 的 各 項 數 據 去 推 算 它 至 少 一 定 是 3 . 5 7 啦 其 他 維 持 不 變 這 樣 子 因 為 我 知 道 去 年 是 有 一 些 狀 況 是 不 好 所 以 是 比 較 低 所 以 說 未 來 勒 妳 未 來 是 看 好 還 是 走 平 還 是 一 樣 能 夠 維 持 至 少 我 的 看 法 是 至 少 3 . 5 啦\n\n03:46.860 --> 04:09.353\n就 是 最 少 最 底 線 就 是 3 . 5 7 % 是 不 是 這 個 數 字 還 是 要 等 到 明 天 我 們 推 估 小 組 的 一 個 會 議 之 後 我 們 再 對 外 來 做 公 布 詳 細 的 公 布 那 個 主 計 長 我 再 請 教 主 計 總 處 二 月 底 曾 經 上 調 今 年 的 整 個 消 費 者 物 價 指 數 C P I 年 增 率 到 1 . 8 5 % 但 當 時 還 沒 有 納 入 電 價 的 調 漲 因 為 四 月 份 電 價 調 漲\n\n04:15.956 --> 04:37.811\n的 因 素 再 加 上 整 個 服 務 服 務 類 的 物 價 有 僵 固 性 外 食 會 和 房 租 可 以 說 這 個 漲 勢 都 沒 有 停 過 所 以 說 整 體 國 內 的 整 個 物 價 上 漲 的 壓 力 依 舊 是 存 在 那 主 計 長 大 多 數 人 一 日 三 餐\n\n04:39.172 --> 04:39.192\n主 計 長\n\n05:04.358 --> 05:15.546\n目 前 穩 定 物 價 小 組 的 機 制 在 貧 物 差 距 越 來 越 大 的 社 會 形 態 下 請 問 你 認 為 運 作 的 機 制 足 夠 符 合 多 數 民 意 的 期 待 嗎 ?\n\n05:16.947 --> 05:30.097\n原 則 上 因 為 物 價 的 一 個 上 漲 有 趨 緩 有 趨 緩 喔 那 現 在 如 果 說 是 看 就 是 我 本 來 是 預 估 1 . 8 5 1 . 8 5 但 是 問 題 就 是 說 因 為 電 價 的 調 漲 那 電 價 的 調 漲 他 一 整 年 影 響 的 一 個 如 果 是\n\n05:37.362 --> 05:42.849\n所 以 說 你 認 為 很 低 , 不 影 響 是 嗎 ? 會 有 影 響 , 但 是 問 題 是 說 , 如 果 是 這 樣 的 話 應 該 是 由 1 . 8 5 調 升 到 2 . 0 3 影 響 , 因 為 從 4 月 開 始 到 後 面 的 一 段 這 樣 子 的 影 響 應 該 會 調 升 到 2 . 0 3 出 估 啦\n\n05:58.366 --> 06:22.043\n主 顧 應 該 是 這 樣 子 一 個 做 調 整 那 這 個 部 分 呢 因 為 有 時 候 為 什 麼 會 覺 得 物 價 指 數 他 會 感 受 到 很 深 因 為 我 們 是 其 實 整 個 是 3 6 8 項 來 做 物 價 這 整 個 一 個 做 調 查 但 是 有 的 是 經 常 性 在 買 的 他 感 受 就 比 較 深 有 的 是 他 不 是 很 經 常 性 在 買 的 他 感 受 就 沒 有 那 麼 深 像 我 們 譬 如 說 電 視 機 他 調 降 8 點 多 但 是 沒 有 感 覺 因 為 他 很 久 才 會 買 一 次 所 以 這 就 沒 有 感 覺\n\n06:27.447 --> 06:55.514\n據 瞭 解 行 政 院 穩 定 物 價 小 組 關 注 了 1 7 項 重 要 的 民 生 物 價 互 成 長 0 . 1 6 % 主 要 是 因 為 雞 蛋 這 個 跌 價 跌 幅 2 2 . 2 9 % 是 重 要 民 生 物 價 4 年 來 首 次 互 成 長 的 主 因 那 請 問 主 計 長 民 生 物 價 的 漲 跌 消 費 市 場 是 不 是 也 應 該 要 如 實 的 反 應\n\n06:57.163 --> 07:25.850\n應 該 要 不 要 其 實 我 們 每 次 都 有 針 對 1 7 項 的 一 個 中 華 民 生 物 價 做 調 查 不 是 調 查 而 已 啦 是 是 是 那 你 你 漲 的 時 候 你 漲 下 跌 的 時 候 是 不 是 也 應 該 要 下 跌 要 如 實 的 反 應 那 其 實 物 價 穩 定 小 組 他 都 有 針 對 這 個 來 做 一 個 反 應 譬 如 說 有 的 譬 如 說 想 想 他 原 來 譬 如 說 我 可 能 價 格 維 持 然 後 那 個 量 減 少 那 這 個 部 分 的 我 們 的\n\n07:26.730 --> 07:50.085\n主 計 長 講 一 些 空 話 都 沒 有 用 實 際 上 你 物 價 上 漲 了 那 你 當 然 他 這 個 很 多 這 個 一 些 消 費 市 場 你 像 那 個 我 就 舉 早 餐 店 好 了 對 不 對 這 個 其 實 吼 但 價 回 跌 但 是 看 不 到 外 食 族 消 費 價 格 有 反 應 啊 對 不 對\n\n07:51.175 --> 08:18.491\n一 顆 蛋 你 在 這 個 買 一 個 不 管 你 任 何 什 麼 漢 堡 什 麼 的 話 他 還 是 最 少 1 5 塊 錢 阿 你 蛋 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如果以第一季6.51的各項數據去推算它至少一定是3.57啦 其他維持不變這樣子因為我知道去年是有一些狀況是不好 所以是比較低所以說未來勒 妳未來是看好還是走平還是一樣能夠維持至少 我的看法是至少3.5啦"},{"start":226.86,"end":249.353,"text":"就是最少最底線就是3.57%是不是這個數字還是要等到明天我們推估小組的一個會議之後我們再對外來做公布詳細的公布那個主計長我再請教主計總處二月底曾經上調今年的整個消費者物價指數CPI年增率到1.85%但當時還沒有納入電價的調漲因為四月份電價調漲"},{"start":255.956,"end":277.811,"text":"的因素再加上整個服務服務類的物價有僵固性外食會和房租可以說這個漲勢都沒有停過所以說整體國內的整個物價上漲的壓力依舊是存在那主計長大多數人一日三餐"},{"start":279.172,"end":279.192,"text":"主計長"},{"start":304.358,"end":315.546,"text":"目前穩定物價小組的機制在貧物差距越來越大的社會形態下請問你認為運作的機制足夠符合多數民意的期待嗎?"},{"start":316.947,"end":330.097,"text":"原則上因為物價的一個上漲有趨緩有趨緩喔那現在如果說是看就是我本來是預估1.851.85但是問題就是說因為電價的調漲那電價的調漲他一整年影響的一個如果是"},{"start":337.362,"end":342.849,"text":"所以說你認為很低,不影響是嗎?會有影響,但是問題是說,如果是這樣的話應該是由1.85調升到2.03影響,因為從4月開始到後面的一段這樣子的影響應該會調升到2.03出估啦"},{"start":358.366,"end":382.043,"text":"主顧應該是這樣子一個做調整那這個部分呢因為有時候為什麼會覺得物價指數他會感受到很深因為我們是其實整個是368項來做物價這整個一個做調查但是有的是經常性在買的他感受就比較深有的是他不是很經常性在買的他感受就沒有那麼深像我們譬如說電視機他調降8點多但是沒有感覺因為他很久才會買一次所以這就沒有感覺"},{"start":387.447,"end":415.514,"text":"據瞭解行政院穩定物價小組關注了17項重要的民生物價互成長0.16%主要是因為雞蛋這個跌價跌幅22.29%是重要民生物價4年來首次互成長的主因那請問主計長民生物價的漲跌消費市場是不是也應該要如實的反應"},{"start":417.163,"end":445.85,"text":"應該要不要其實我們每次都有針對17項的一個中華民生物價做調查不是調查而已啦是是是那你你漲的時候你漲下跌的時候是不是也應該要下跌要如實的反應那其實物價穩定小組他都有針對這個來做一個反應譬如說有的譬如說想想他原來譬如說我可能價格維持然後那個量減少那這個部分的我們的"},{"start":446.73,"end":470.085,"text":"主計長講一些空話都沒有用實際上你物價上漲了那你當然他這個很多這個一些消費市場你像那個我就舉早餐店好了對不對這個其實吼但價回跌但是看不到外食族消費價格有反應啊對不對"},{"start":471.175,"end":498.491,"text":"一顆蛋你在這個買一個不管你任何什麼漢堡什麼的話他還是最少15塊錢阿你蛋價跌他有沒有跌一樣沒有跌阿對不對主計長因為蛋價在市場供過於求的狀況下各地的蛋商面臨囤蛋阿的壓力使得蛋價確定有再降價的可能但是有民眾發現早餐店阿加一顆蛋最少是15塊所以說"},{"start":502.053,"end":513.578,"text":"這個讓這些消費者感到不滿就問早餐店為什麼把人民啊好像當盤子一樣那我請問主計長你認為外食族僵固化是不是必然的現象"},{"start":515.353,"end":536.861,"text":"有時候是這樣子就是說你上漲下去要調漲下來這一點是有漲上去很快啦調下來很難啦所以說你認為需不需要較為有效的方法或管道能夠打破這些僵固性必然的現象來回歸消費這個正常供需的價格"},{"start":538.134,"end":565.75,"text":"你認為有沒有不要我們這個會提供給相關單位來參考然後請他們來研議那你要是說真的都找不到的話那只有好像用抵制的方式讓消費者才能夠讓這些價格回歸合理化對不對因為齁一般啦外食族他們現在感受的就你只要漲上去他就下不來了啦大家很清楚你齁過去可能你買一個這個"},{"start":568.868,"end":569.168,"text":"主席"},{"start":586.852,"end":589.554,"text":"那媒體報導主計總處官員分析通膨以及升息等因素是黃豬漲價居高的關鍵那我請問主計長"},{"start":610.794,"end":627.614,"text":"就國內目前整個市場的狀況你認為已經調漲價格的房屋的租金降租是不是也有僵固性你認為會不會上去會不會下來目前的趨勢是反漲房租是反漲的趨勢"},{"start":631.601,"end":645.982,"text":"主計長因為根據防重業者的統計今年首季全台預售屋總銷售金額突破五千億大關創下歷史的新高征服高達百分之一百二十四點八"},{"start":646.983,"end":673.389,"text":"那房市歷經一連串打草房的政策．以及央行連升息的影響下．房價依舊持續的上揚．不少人等不到房價下跌．來加緊腳步購屋．也推升了整體交易量能．尤其是新浪市場買機．非常的驚人．面對萬物起漲唯獨只有薪水不漲．那"},{"start":676.038,"end":681.573,"text":"買房男阿現在連租屋都快變成男上加男我請問主計長你認為民眾對政府"},{"start":684.932,"end":711.515,"text":"又能夠有什麼樣的一個期待?你認為呢?事實上我們在社會住宅或者是說在租金的一個補貼方面各部會也有提供很多的社會住宅很多而且過去講20萬戶實際上落差很大反不及急很多年輕人真的他們一出了社會他們就"},{"start":712.276,"end":730.233,"text":"沒有辦法就是立足就是我所賺的錢可能護了房租以後延伸文匯都有困難啦我相信主計總處你們跟政府各單位平行的單位要好好的去探討研究看怎麼來解決這些問題啦好不好謝謝好謝謝林德福委員的諮詢緊接著我們請胡秉樂委員諮詢"}]}}}}