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案\n\n7\n00:02:27,340 --> 00:02:41,650\n一 百 零 八 年 我 想 我 們 是 上 一 次 提 出 來 的 在 行 政 院 的 時 候 就 希 望 說 能 夠 多 溝 通 那 我 們 也 檢 視 了 一 百 零 八 年 那 個 版 本 裡 面 有 幾 個 重 點 就 是 兩 次 安 全 的 確 保 包 括 整 個 的 一 個 農 業 競 爭 力 的 提 升 還 有 農 業 資 源 怎 麼 樣 維 護 甚 至 於 農 村 的 發 展\n\n8\n00:02:45,552 --> 00:03:13,785\n可 是 經 過 這 個 5 年 來 其 實 實 在 在 變 化 農 業 的 環 境 也 在 變 化 所 以 相 對 的 有 很 多 更 重 要 的 議 題 包 括 我 們 怎 麼 樣 讓 年 輕 人 能 夠 能 夠 進 到 農 業 而 且 願 意 世 世 代 代 從 事 農 業 所 以 農 民 的 福 利 制 度 其 實 應 該 更 有 一 些 琢 磨 的 空 間 另 外 農 業 的 近 鄰 他 可 以 做 得 更 好 那 農 業 的 本 身 的 發 展 農 村 的 發 展 其 實 要 更 上 位 所 以 我 們 未 來 會 把 這 些\n\n9\n00:03:15,105 --> 00:03:37,935\n這 些 相 關 的 新 的 這 些 思 維 納 到 農 業 基 本 法 裡 面 因 為 過 去 來 我 也 參 與 到 了 不 管 是 環 境 基 本 法 或 海 洋 基 本 法 的 立 法 的 過 程 所 以 我 認 為 一 個 上 位 計 畫 出 來 之 後 會 把 整 個 此 計 畫 定 得 更 明 確 的 時 候 其 實 會 把 整 個 部 會 的 格 局 拉 出 來 那 我 認 為 其 實 在 推 動 上 位 更 加 有 力 那 我 也 期 待 這 樣 的 一 個 農 業 基 本 法 能 盡 快 來 完 成 比 出 來 盡 快 來 完 成 三 讀\n\n10\n00:03:38,895 --> 00:04:01,998\n我 看 一 下 你 的 期 程 , 裡 面 你 的 期 程 是 抓 4 年 , 其 實 4 年 , 一 屆 就 是 4 年 , 屆 期 不 連 續 , 我 想 最 後 都 有 可 能 會 落 為 來 不 及 , 我 其 實 是 希 望 維 持 3 年 為 一 個 目 標 , 那 萬 一 有 任 何 的 一 些 狀 況 的 時 候 還 有 機 會 在 這 一 屆 的 立 委 的 任 內 的 時 候 把 這 個 立 法 院 完 成 三 度 , 我 認 為 這 個 對 於 農 業 部 的 整 體 發 展 是 一 個 重 要 的 事 。\n\n11\n00:04:02,438 --> 00:04:04,239\n我 想 部 長 也 都 一 直 在 支 持 的 前 鎮 漁 港 的 各 項 的 一 些 建 設\n\n12\n00:04:28,717 --> 00:04:54,795\n現 在 其 實 大 家 最 關 注 的 也 是 多 功 能 水 產 品 的 運 銷 中 心 其 他 陸 續 都 在 完 成 那 這 個 它 進 度 有 一 些 落 後 當 然 跟 原 物 料 跟 人 力 的 一 些 有 相 關 我 們 希 望 這 個 進 度 上 面 還 是 要 持 續 來 追 蹤 那 其 實 我 更 關 心 的 一 個 點 是 在 於 未 來 之 後 這 個 起 來 之 後 它 的 營 運 一 定 要 找 到 好 的 廠 商 我 也 講 過 非 常 多 次 啦 那 我 也 希 望 部 長 現 在 上 任 之 後\n\n13\n00:04:55,555 --> 00:05:18,305\n未 來 的 這 個 大 眾 運 輸 系 統 能 不 能 進 去 會 是 一 個 也 是 一 個 重 要 的 一 個 關 鍵 我 覺 得 一 個 關 鍵 我 希 望 未 來 部 長 一 樣 持 續 的 跟 院 長 跟 保 安 交 通 部 長 持 續 溝 通 爭 取 好 不 好 這 個 會 對 於 整 個 捷 運 黃 線 延 伸 進 到 前 鎮 漁 港 這 件 事 情 會 讓 前 鎮 漁 港 的 這 個 能 不 能 像 真 的 像 豐 州 市 長 那 樣 有 一 個 很 好 的 發 展 效 果 也 會 起 一 個 很 重 要 的 一 個 影 響\n\n14\n00:05:19,025 --> 00:05:48,703\n對 , 我 想 謝 謝 委 員 的 提 醒 我 想 那 個 運 輸 系 統 的 進 入 才 能 夠 真 正 的 活 絡 那 個 區 域 那 我 們 除 了 會 跟 行 政 院 這 邊 去 做 溝 通 我 想 我 們 也 會 跟 高 雄 市 這 邊 來 做 一 個 有 效 的 溝 通 對 , 還 有 交 通 部 還 有 公 共 政 府 都 要 溝 通 徵 求 到 他 們 的 共 同 來 支 持 我 覺 得 建 設 都 是 百 年 的 建 設 那 做 得 好 做 得 完 整 的 話 其 實 對 於 整 個 發 展 都 有 相 當 幫 助 遠 洋 漁 業 是 臺 灣 最 重 要 的 產 業 之 一 創 造 非 常 高 的 一 個\n\n15\n00:05:49,484 --> 00:06:11,722\n我 認 為 要 把 他 的 效 益 不 斷 的 擴 大 化 那 另 外 是 招 商 的 部 分 你 們 原 先 的 因 為 也 希 望 給 他 廠 商 因 為 現 在 是 2 0 加 1 0 的 一 個 計 畫 嘛 那 因 為 你 一 定 要 給 到 夠 久 的 年 限 那 才 會 有 好 的 廠 商 強 的 廠 商 因 為 這 投 資 現 在 是 2 0 加 1 0 嗎 2 0 加 1 0 對 好 那 這 樣 的 話 有 沒 有 辦 法 吸 引 到 優 秀 的 不 管 是 國 際 級 或 國 內 的 頂 級 的 來 進 組\n\n16\n00:06:15,117 --> 00:06:40,837\n我 想 我 們 會 先 看 它 這 樣 的 一 個 方 案 是 不 是 已 經 有 外 國 的 這 些 廠 商 或 者 什 麼 有 那 個 興 趣 啦 我 們 會 隨 時 關 切 這 些 有 興 趣 的 這 些 利 害 關 係 人 然 後 看 看 說 需 要 不 需 要 做 一 個 調 整 而 且 部 長 還 是 要 去 了 解 潛 在 的 可 能 性 的 廠 商 如 果 你 來 問 了 各 種 好 的 潛 在 性 的 廠 商 都 沒 有 意 願 那 顯 然 我 們 的 條 件 必 須 要 再 做 一 些 調 整 好 不 好\n\n17\n00:06:41,717 --> 00:07:05,410\n最 重 要 是 要 找 到 強 而 有 能 力 的 一 個 廠 商 那 這 樣 的 話 它 的 發 展 就 會 非 常 順 利 如 果 找 來 的 是 不 夠 優 秀 、 不 夠 強 的 廠 商 其 實 後 面 會 有 很 多 很 辛 苦 的 對 這 個 也 是 我 們 最 擔 心 的 好 不 好 這 個 一 定 不 必 要 當 政 府 做 了 這 麼 多 努 力 的 時 候 我 覺 得 每 一 個 環 節 都 要 把 它 扣 減 這 樣 才 有 可 能 讓 我 們 期 待 的 這 樣 的 一 個 豐 洲 市 場 台 灣 的 豐 洲 市 場 這 樣 的 一 個 計 畫 能 夠 成 功 了\n\n18\n00:07:09,212 --> 00:07:30,930\n好 再 來 我 想 請 教 一 下 其 實 這 段 時 間 其 實 假 訊 息 一 直 也 都 是 農 業 部 很 辛 苦 的 一 個 工 作 那 往 往 很 多 的 網 路 上 面 常 常 會 傳 遞 很 多 假 訊 息 那 大 概 都 是 同 仁 去 海 巡 去 找 到 一 些 之 後 然 後 用 新 聞 稿 來 發 布 但 是 我 還 是 要 強 調 這 樣 的 效 果 其 實 是 非 常 有 限 的 啦 我 看 新 聞 稿 非 常 有 限 你 在 事 後 去 賭 的 那 個 消 費 很 有 限\n\n19\n00:07:31,970 --> 00:07:58,945\n訴 發 部 現 在 也 在 關 心 這 件 事 情 包 括 各 個 單 位 我 希 望 部 長 還 是 要 持 續 的 去 跟 訴 發 部 跟 相 關 部 會 對 於 平 台 業 者 他 們 該 承 擔 起 的 責 任 的 部 分 我 認 為 應 該 要 去 做 要 求 有 很 多 的 部 分 我 們 一 看 就 知 道 那 個 是 個 假 的 或 甚 至 有 高 度 有 爭 議 性 的 那 其 實 在 平 台 業 者 就 應 該 把 他 給 擋 住 了 不 管 他 是 詐 欺 還 是 假 訊 息 他 的 平 台 業 者 都 有 相 關 的 一 些 責 任 如 果 他 們 善 盡 了 他 們 責 任 的 話\n\n20\n00:08:00,466 --> 00:08:22,924\n不 會 在 後 端 就 不 會 這 麼 的 辛 苦 那 造 假 的 訊 息 其 實 是 所 有 業 者 所 有 的 大 家 共 同 都 要 有 責 任 去 防 堵 的 要 不 然 你 的 造 假 東 西 一 堆 然 後 網 路 丟 了 一 堆 然 後 你 後 面 要 去 光 整 耗 掉 一 堆 人 力 來 處 理 這 些 造 假 訊 息 然 後 甚 至 對 農 民 產 生 的 影 響 對 政 府 的 公 信 產 生 影 響 我 認 為 這 個 都 非 常 的 不 公 平 也 都 應 該 要 及 早 處 理\n\n21\n00:08:23,464 --> 00:08:46,429\n謝 謝 委 員 , 據 我 所 知 道 在 新 的 內 閣 團 隊 的 群 組 裏 面 , 其 實 速 發 部 已 經 在 處 理 這 一 塊 怎 樣 讓 平 台 的 假 訊 息 更 及 早 的 發 現 , 特 別 是 有 一 些 部 會 首 長 被 當 作 投 資 的 對 象 , 像 那 樣 的 一 個 假 訊 息 其 實 已 經 政 府 現 在 慢 慢 有 一 個 , 速 發 部 那 邊 有 一 個 機 制 跟 平 台 就 對 接 , 所 以 我 想 這 個 部 分 我 想\n\n22\n00:08:46,929 --> 00:08:47,369\n對 , 我 們 也 會 跟 他 聯 絡 。 對 。 對 。 對 。 對 。\n\n23\n00:09:03,099 --> 00:09:05,220\n最 後 東 虎 姐 快 要 到 了 問 一 下 豬 肉 包 相 關 的 市 場 這 些 價 格 部 分 都 沒 有 問 題 吧 ?\n\n24\n00:09:23,450 --> 00:09:48,103\n我 想 現 在 的 價 格 、 豬 肉 的 價 格 大 概 八 九 九 塊 上 下 啦 我 想 大 概 跟 去 年 來 講 差 不 多 甚 至 比 它 還 低 一 點 、 比 較 便 宜 一 點 那 整 個 的 一 個 應 景 的 這 些 豬 肉 、 雞 肉 包 括 它 的 增 工 量 都 會 提 高 到 百 分 之 十 到 二 十 像 豬 的 話 可 能 會 到 兩 萬 兩 千 頭 每 天 的 部 分 所 以 這 個 部 分 我 一 定 會 確 保 端 午 節 本 身\n\n25\n00:09:48,883 --> 00:09:49,403\n謝 謝 部 長 。 辛 苦 了 。 謝 謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n369\t23506\t請賴瑞隆委員發言前剛剛署長你有回答我們政委員公糧的問題因為這個議題在藍綠白大家都非常的關心而且我們也已經做成決議已經交付到院會去準備繼續討論我們也希望不要否決多數人的一個決議這個應該要注意來我們請賴瑞隆委員請發言謝謝好謝謝主席請陳部長\n29980\t52507\t我們再請陳部長部長我有整個看了你的這個業務報告我想這也是過去整個8年來到現在一個延續包括未來要做的一些計畫那裡面我覺得是確實把這8年來做的一些事情跟未來想要做的事做了很好的一個延續\n53667\t77394\t我想多數的內容我都是贊同的也認可的那我只是一個期許就是說很多同仁在做很多事的時候其實還是要加強在對外的一個宣傳特別現在的假的訊息或各方面的很多的時候往往一個小的就有可能去影響到你整個很多正面而做的很好的事情上我覺得同仁這麼辛苦做了這麼多的事還是要多努力讓外界去知道\n78154\t92985\t我希望這個未來還要是持續的不斷加強不要讓一些不實的一些狀況去打起到了大家努力的一個成果我裡面看了一下你這一次我覺得提出來我非常認同就是說農業基本法因為做一個農業部會\n94286\t117137\t其實我們不管是在文化基本法、教育基本法甚至那時候我也推了海洋基本法也已經通過了甚至有各樣那我覺得農業部其實應該有一個上位的基本法那上位基本法出來之後那下面才有各項的一些法律不然過去如果單靠50年的一個農法條例的一個來訂定我認為其實是不夠周年也不過具有比較高的格局的\n117737\t146440\t所以部長應該是這樣的思考下來推動嗎?對,我想謝謝委員支持,農業基本法基本上它是一個綱領性的一個政策的一個法案那在這個農業基本法之下它是以比較宏觀的角度去撥劃農業的長期的一個發展方向那有的長期發展方向的話就可以對接我們每4年的這種農業的施政的這些政策還有相關對應的這些作用法的一個制定所以它是一個引領性的一個法案\n147340\t161650\t一百零八年我想我們是上一次提出來的在行政院的時候就希望說能夠多溝通那我們也檢視了一百零八年那個版本裡面有幾個重點就是兩次安全的確保包括整個的一個農業競爭力的提升還有農業資源怎麼樣維護甚至於農村的發展\n165552\t193785\t可是經過這個5年來其實實在在變化農業的環境也在變化所以相對的有很多更重要的議題包括我們怎麼樣讓年輕人能夠能夠進到農業而且願意世世代代從事農業所以農民的福利制度其實應該更有一些琢磨的空間另外農業的近鄰他可以做得更好那農業的本身的發展農村的發展其實要更上位所以我們未來會把這些\n195105\t217935\t這些相關的新的這些思維納到農業基本法裡面因為過去來我也參與到了不管是環境基本法或海洋基本法的立法的過程所以我認為一個上位計畫出來之後會把整個此計畫定得更明確的時候其實會把整個部會的格局拉出來那我認為其實在推動上位更加有力那我也期待這樣的一個農業基本法能盡快來完成比出來盡快來完成三讀\n218895\t241998\t我看一下你的期程,裡面你的期程是抓4年,其實4年,一屆就是4年,屆期不連續,我想最後都有可能會落為來不及,我其實是希望維持3年為一個目標,那萬一有任何的一些狀況的時候還有機會在這一屆的立委的任內的時候把這個立法院完成三度,我認為這個對於農業部的整體發展是一個重要的事。\n242438\t244239\t我想部長也都一直在支持的前鎮漁港的各項的一些建設\n268717\t294795\t現在其實大家最關注的也是多功能水產品的運銷中心其他陸續都在完成那這個它進度有一些落後當然跟原物料跟人力的一些有相關我們希望這個進度上面還是要持續來追蹤那其實我更關心的一個點是在於未來之後這個起來之後它的營運一定要找到好的廠商我也講過非常多次啦那我也希望部長現在上任之後\n295555\t318305\t未來的這個大眾運輸系統能不能進去會是一個也是一個重要的一個關鍵我覺得一個關鍵我希望未來部長一樣持續的跟院長跟保安交通部長持續溝通爭取好不好這個會對於整個捷運黃線延伸進到前鎮漁港這件事情會讓前鎮漁港的這個能不能像真的像豐州市長那樣有一個很好的發展效果也會起一個很重要的一個影響\n319025\t348703\t對,我想謝謝委員的提醒我想那個運輸系統的進入才能夠真正的活絡那個區域那我們除了會跟行政院這邊去做溝通我想我們也會跟高雄市這邊來做一個有效的溝通對,還有交通部還有公共政府都要溝通徵求到他們的共同來支持我覺得建設都是百年的建設那做得好做得完整的話其實對於整個發展都有相當幫助遠洋漁業是臺灣最重要的產業之一創造非常高的一個\n349484\t371722\t我認為要把他的效益不斷的擴大化那另外是招商的部分你們原先的因為也希望給他廠商因為現在是20加10的一個計畫嘛那因為你一定要給到夠久的年限那才會有好的廠商強的廠商因為這投資現在是20加10嗎20加10對好那這樣的話有沒有辦法吸引到優秀的不管是國際級或國內的頂級的來進組\n375117\t400837\t我想我們會先看它這樣的一個方案是不是已經有外國的這些廠商或者什麼有那個興趣啦我們會隨時關切這些有興趣的這些利害關係人然後看看說需要不需要做一個調整而且部長還是要去了解潛在的可能性的廠商如果你來問了各種好的潛在性的廠商都沒有意願那顯然我們的條件必須要再做一些調整好不好\n401717\t425410\t最重要是要找到強而有能力的一個廠商那這樣的話它的發展就會非常順利如果找來的是不夠優秀、不夠強的廠商其實後面會有很多很辛苦的對 這個也是我們最擔心的好不好 這個一定不必要當政府做了這麼多努力的時候我覺得每一個環節都要把它扣減這樣才有可能讓我們期待的這樣的一個豐洲市場台灣的豐洲市場這樣的一個計畫能夠成功了\n429212\t450930\t好再來我想請教一下其實這段時間其實假訊息一直也都是農業部很辛苦的一個工作那往往很多的網路上面常常會傳遞很多假訊息那大概都是同仁去海巡去找到一些之後然後用新聞稿來發布但是我還是要強調這樣的效果其實是非常有限的啦我看新聞稿非常有限你在事後去賭的那個消費很有限\n451970\t478945\t訴發部現在也在關心這件事情包括各個單位我希望部長還是要持續的去跟訴發部跟相關部會對於平台業者他們該承擔起的責任的部分我認為應該要去做要求有很多的部分我們一看就知道那個是個假的或甚至有高度有爭議性的那其實在平台業者就應該把他給擋住了不管他是詐欺還是假訊息他的平台業者都有相關的一些責任如果他們善盡了他們責任的話\n480466\t502924\t不會在後端就不會這麼的辛苦那造假的訊息其實是所有業者所有的大家共同都要有責任去防堵的要不然你的造假東西一堆然後網路丟了一堆然後你後面要去光整耗掉一堆人力來處理這些造假訊息然後甚至對農民產生的影響對政府的公信產生影響我認為這個都非常的不公平也都應該要及早處理\n503464\t526429\t謝謝委員,據我所知道在新的內閣團隊的群組裏面,其實速發部已經在處理這一塊怎樣讓平台的假訊息更及早的發現,特別是有一些部會首長被當作投資的對象,像那樣的一個假訊息其實已經政府現在慢慢有一個,速發部那邊有一個機制跟平台就對接,所以我想這個部分我想\n526929\t527369\t對,我們也會跟他聯絡。對。對。對。對。\n543099\t545220\t最後東虎姐快要到了問一下豬肉包相關的市場這些價格部分都沒有問題吧?\n563450\t588103\t我想現在的價格、豬肉的價格大概八九九塊上下啦我想大概跟去年來講差不多甚至比它還低一點、比較便宜一點那整個的一個應景的這些豬肉、雞肉包括它的增工量都會提高到百分之十到二十像豬的話可能會到兩萬兩千頭每天的部分所以這個部分我一定會確保端午節本身\n588883\t589403\t謝謝部長。辛苦了。謝謝\n","txt":"請賴瑞隆委員發言前剛剛署長你有回答我們政委員公糧的問題因為這個議題在藍綠白大家都非常的關心而且我們也已經做成決議已經交付到院會去準備繼續討論我們也希望不要否決多數人的一個決議這個應該要注意來我們請賴瑞隆委員請發言謝謝好謝謝主席請陳部長\n我們再請陳部長部長我有整個看了你的這個業務報告我想這也是過去整個8年來到現在一個延續包括未來要做的一些計畫那裡面我覺得是確實把這8年來做的一些事情跟未來想要做的事做了很好的一個延續\n我想多數的內容我都是贊同的也認可的那我只是一個期許就是說很多同仁在做很多事的時候其實還是要加強在對外的一個宣傳特別現在的假的訊息或各方面的很多的時候往往一個小的就有可能去影響到你整個很多正面而做的很好的事情上我覺得同仁這麼辛苦做了這麼多的事還是要多努力讓外界去知道\n我希望這個未來還要是持續的不斷加強不要讓一些不實的一些狀況去打起到了大家努力的一個成果我裡面看了一下你這一次我覺得提出來我非常認同就是說農業基本法因為做一個農業部會\n其實我們不管是在文化基本法、教育基本法甚至那時候我也推了海洋基本法也已經通過了甚至有各樣那我覺得農業部其實應該有一個上位的基本法那上位基本法出來之後那下面才有各項的一些法律不然過去如果單靠50年的一個農法條例的一個來訂定我認為其實是不夠周年也不過具有比較高的格局的\n所以部長應該是這樣的思考下來推動嗎?對,我想謝謝委員支持,農業基本法基本上它是一個綱領性的一個政策的一個法案那在這個農業基本法之下它是以比較宏觀的角度去撥劃農業的長期的一個發展方向那有的長期發展方向的話就可以對接我們每4年的這種農業的施政的這些政策還有相關對應的這些作用法的一個制定所以它是一個引領性的一個法案\n一百零八年我想我們是上一次提出來的在行政院的時候就希望說能夠多溝通那我們也檢視了一百零八年那個版本裡面有幾個重點就是兩次安全的確保包括整個的一個農業競爭力的提升還有農業資源怎麼樣維護甚至於農村的發展\n可是經過這個5年來其實實在在變化農業的環境也在變化所以相對的有很多更重要的議題包括我們怎麼樣讓年輕人能夠能夠進到農業而且願意世世代代從事農業所以農民的福利制度其實應該更有一些琢磨的空間另外農業的近鄰他可以做得更好那農業的本身的發展農村的發展其實要更上位所以我們未來會把這些\n這些相關的新的這些思維納到農業基本法裡面因為過去來我也參與到了不管是環境基本法或海洋基本法的立法的過程所以我認為一個上位計畫出來之後會把整個此計畫定得更明確的時候其實會把整個部會的格局拉出來那我認為其實在推動上位更加有力那我也期待這樣的一個農業基本法能盡快來完成比出來盡快來完成三讀\n我看一下你的期程,裡面你的期程是抓4年,其實4年,一屆就是4年,屆期不連續,我想最後都有可能會落為來不及,我其實是希望維持3年為一個目標,那萬一有任何的一些狀況的時候還有機會在這一屆的立委的任內的時候把這個立法院完成三度,我認為這個對於農業部的整體發展是一個重要的事。\n我想部長也都一直在支持的前鎮漁港的各項的一些建設\n現在其實大家最關注的也是多功能水產品的運銷中心其他陸續都在完成那這個它進度有一些落後當然跟原物料跟人力的一些有相關我們希望這個進度上面還是要持續來追蹤那其實我更關心的一個點是在於未來之後這個起來之後它的營運一定要找到好的廠商我也講過非常多次啦那我也希望部長現在上任之後\n未來的這個大眾運輸系統能不能進去會是一個也是一個重要的一個關鍵我覺得一個關鍵我希望未來部長一樣持續的跟院長跟保安交通部長持續溝通爭取好不好這個會對於整個捷運黃線延伸進到前鎮漁港這件事情會讓前鎮漁港的這個能不能像真的像豐州市長那樣有一個很好的發展效果也會起一個很重要的一個影響\n對,我想謝謝委員的提醒我想那個運輸系統的進入才能夠真正的活絡那個區域那我們除了會跟行政院這邊去做溝通我想我們也會跟高雄市這邊來做一個有效的溝通對,還有交通部還有公共政府都要溝通徵求到他們的共同來支持我覺得建設都是百年的建設那做得好做得完整的話其實對於整個發展都有相當幫助遠洋漁業是臺灣最重要的產業之一創造非常高的一個\n我認為要把他的效益不斷的擴大化那另外是招商的部分你們原先的因為也希望給他廠商因為現在是20加10的一個計畫嘛那因為你一定要給到夠久的年限那才會有好的廠商強的廠商因為這投資現在是20加10嗎20加10對好那這樣的話有沒有辦法吸引到優秀的不管是國際級或國內的頂級的來進組\n我想我們會先看它這樣的一個方案是不是已經有外國的這些廠商或者什麼有那個興趣啦我們會隨時關切這些有興趣的這些利害關係人然後看看說需要不需要做一個調整而且部長還是要去了解潛在的可能性的廠商如果你來問了各種好的潛在性的廠商都沒有意願那顯然我們的條件必須要再做一些調整好不好\n最重要是要找到強而有能力的一個廠商那這樣的話它的發展就會非常順利如果找來的是不夠優秀、不夠強的廠商其實後面會有很多很辛苦的對 這個也是我們最擔心的好不好 這個一定不必要當政府做了這麼多努力的時候我覺得每一個環節都要把它扣減這樣才有可能讓我們期待的這樣的一個豐洲市場台灣的豐洲市場這樣的一個計畫能夠成功了\n好再來我想請教一下其實這段時間其實假訊息一直也都是農業部很辛苦的一個工作那往往很多的網路上面常常會傳遞很多假訊息那大概都是同仁去海巡去找到一些之後然後用新聞稿來發布但是我還是要強調這樣的效果其實是非常有限的啦我看新聞稿非常有限你在事後去賭的那個消費很有限\n訴發部現在也在關心這件事情包括各個單位我希望部長還是要持續的去跟訴發部跟相關部會對於平台業者他們該承擔起的責任的部分我認為應該要去做要求有很多的部分我們一看就知道那個是個假的或甚至有高度有爭議性的那其實在平台業者就應該把他給擋住了不管他是詐欺還是假訊息他的平台業者都有相關的一些責任如果他們善盡了他們責任的話\n不會在後端就不會這麼的辛苦那造假的訊息其實是所有業者所有的大家共同都要有責任去防堵的要不然你的造假東西一堆然後網路丟了一堆然後你後面要去光整耗掉一堆人力來處理這些造假訊息然後甚至對農民產生的影響對政府的公信產生影響我認為這個都非常的不公平也都應該要及早處理\n謝謝委員,據我所知道在新的內閣團隊的群組裏面,其實速發部已經在處理這一塊怎樣讓平台的假訊息更及早的發現,特別是有一些部會首長被當作投資的對象,像那樣的一個假訊息其實已經政府現在慢慢有一個,速發部那邊有一個機制跟平台就對接,所以我想這個部分我想\n對,我們也會跟他聯絡。對。對。對。對。\n最後東虎姐快要到了問一下豬肉包相關的市場這些價格部分都沒有問題吧?\n我想現在的價格、豬肉的價格大概八九九塊上下啦我想大概跟去年來講差不多甚至比它還低一點、比較便宜一點那整個的一個應景的這些豬肉、雞肉包括它的增工量都會提高到百分之十到二十像豬的話可能會到兩萬兩千頭每天的部分所以這個部分我一定會確保端午節本身\n謝謝部長。辛苦了。謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.369 --> 00:23.506\n請 賴 瑞 隆 委 員 發 言 前 剛 剛 署 長 你 有 回 答 我 們 政 委 員 公 糧 的 問 題 因 為 這 個 議 題 在 藍 綠 白 大 家 都 非 常 的 關 心 而 且 我 們 也 已 經 做 成 決 議 已 經 交 付 到 院 會 去 準 備 繼 續 討 論 我 們 也 希 望 不 要 否 決 多 數 人 的 一 個 決 議 這 個 應 該 要 注 意 來 我 們 請 賴 瑞 隆 委 員 請 發 言 謝 謝 好 謝 謝 主 席 請 陳 部 長\n\n00:29.980 --> 00:52.507\n我 們 再 請 陳 部 長 部 長 我 有 整 個 看 了 你 的 這 個 業 務 報 告 我 想 這 也 是 過 去 整 個 8 年 來 到 現 在 一 個 延 續 包 括 未 來 要 做 的 一 些 計 畫 那 裡 面 我 覺 得 是 確 實 把 這 8 年 來 做 的 一 些 事 情 跟 未 來 想 要 做 的 事 做 了 很 好 的 一 個 延 續\n\n00:53.667 --> 01:17.394\n我 想 多 數 的 內 容 我 都 是 贊 同 的 也 認 可 的 那 我 只 是 一 個 期 許 就 是 說 很 多 同 仁 在 做 很 多 事 的 時 候 其 實 還 是 要 加 強 在 對 外 的 一 個 宣 傳 特 別 現 在 的 假 的 訊 息 或 各 方 面 的 很 多 的 時 候 往 往 一 個 小 的 就 有 可 能 去 影 響 到 你 整 個 很 多 正 面 而 做 的 很 好 的 事 情 上 我 覺 得 同 仁 這 麼 辛 苦 做 了 這 麼 多 的 事 還 是 要 多 努 力 讓 外 界 去 知 道\n\n01:18.154 --> 01:32.985\n我 希 望 這 個 未 來 還 要 是 持 續 的 不 斷 加 強 不 要 讓 一 些 不 實 的 一 些 狀 況 去 打 起 到 了 大 家 努 力 的 一 個 成 果 我 裡 面 看 了 一 下 你 這 一 次 我 覺 得 提 出 來 我 非 常 認 同 就 是 說 農 業 基 本 法 因 為 做 一 個 農 業 部 會\n\n01:34.286 --> 01:57.137\n其 實 我 們 不 管 是 在 文 化 基 本 法 、 教 育 基 本 法 甚 至 那 時 候 我 也 推 了 海 洋 基 本 法 也 已 經 通 過 了 甚 至 有 各 樣 那 我 覺 得 農 業 部 其 實 應 該 有 一 個 上 位 的 基 本 法 那 上 位 基 本 法 出 來 之 後 那 下 面 才 有 各 項 的 一 些 法 律 不 然 過 去 如 果 單 靠 5 0 年 的 一 個 農 法 條 例 的 一 個 來 訂 定 我 認 為 其 實 是 不 夠 周 年 也 不 過 具 有 比 較 高 的 格 局 的\n\n01:57.737 --> 02:26.440\n所 以 部 長 應 該 是 這 樣 的 思 考 下 來 推 動 嗎 ? 對 , 我 想 謝 謝 委 員 支 持 , 農 業 基 本 法 基 本 上 它 是 一 個 綱 領 性 的 一 個 政 策 的 一 個 法 案 那 在 這 個 農 業 基 本 法 之 下 它 是 以 比 較 宏 觀 的 角 度 去 撥 劃 農 業 的 長 期 的 一 個 發 展 方 向 那 有 的 長 期 發 展 方 向 的 話 就 可 以 對 接 我 們 每 4 年 的 這 種 農 業 的 施 政 的 這 些 政 策 還 有 相 關 對 應 的 這 些 作 用 法 的 一 個 制 定 所 以 它 是 一 個 引 領 性 的 一 個 法 案\n\n02:27.340 --> 02:41.650\n一 百 零 八 年 我 想 我 們 是 上 一 次 提 出 來 的 在 行 政 院 的 時 候 就 希 望 說 能 夠 多 溝 通 那 我 們 也 檢 視 了 一 百 零 八 年 那 個 版 本 裡 面 有 幾 個 重 點 就 是 兩 次 安 全 的 確 保 包 括 整 個 的 一 個 農 業 競 爭 力 的 提 升 還 有 農 業 資 源 怎 麼 樣 維 護 甚 至 於 農 村 的 發 展\n\n02:45.552 --> 03:13.785\n可 是 經 過 這 個 5 年 來 其 實 實 在 在 變 化 農 業 的 環 境 也 在 變 化 所 以 相 對 的 有 很 多 更 重 要 的 議 題 包 括 我 們 怎 麼 樣 讓 年 輕 人 能 夠 能 夠 進 到 農 業 而 且 願 意 世 世 代 代 從 事 農 業 所 以 農 民 的 福 利 制 度 其 實 應 該 更 有 一 些 琢 磨 的 空 間 另 外 農 業 的 近 鄰 他 可 以 做 得 更 好 那 農 業 的 本 身 的 發 展 農 村 的 發 展 其 實 要 更 上 位 所 以 我 們 未 來 會 把 這 些\n\n03:15.105 --> 03:37.935\n這 些 相 關 的 新 的 這 些 思 維 納 到 農 業 基 本 法 裡 面 因 為 過 去 來 我 也 參 與 到 了 不 管 是 環 境 基 本 法 或 海 洋 基 本 法 的 立 法 的 過 程 所 以 我 認 為 一 個 上 位 計 畫 出 來 之 後 會 把 整 個 此 計 畫 定 得 更 明 確 的 時 候 其 實 會 把 整 個 部 會 的 格 局 拉 出 來 那 我 認 為 其 實 在 推 動 上 位 更 加 有 力 那 我 也 期 待 這 樣 的 一 個 農 業 基 本 法 能 盡 快 來 完 成 比 出 來 盡 快 來 完 成 三 讀\n\n03:38.895 --> 04:01.998\n我 看 一 下 你 的 期 程 , 裡 面 你 的 期 程 是 抓 4 年 , 其 實 4 年 , 一 屆 就 是 4 年 , 屆 期 不 連 續 , 我 想 最 後 都 有 可 能 會 落 為 來 不 及 , 我 其 實 是 希 望 維 持 3 年 為 一 個 目 標 , 那 萬 一 有 任 何 的 一 些 狀 況 的 時 候 還 有 機 會 在 這 一 屆 的 立 委 的 任 內 的 時 候 把 這 個 立 法 院 完 成 三 度 , 我 認 為 這 個 對 於 農 業 部 的 整 體 發 展 是 一 個 重 要 的 事 。\n\n04:02.438 --> 04:04.239\n我 想 部 長 也 都 一 直 在 支 持 的 前 鎮 漁 港 的 各 項 的 一 些 建 設\n\n04:28.717 --> 04:54.795\n現 在 其 實 大 家 最 關 注 的 也 是 多 功 能 水 產 品 的 運 銷 中 心 其 他 陸 續 都 在 完 成 那 這 個 它 進 度 有 一 些 落 後 當 然 跟 原 物 料 跟 人 力 的 一 些 有 相 關 我 們 希 望 這 個 進 度 上 面 還 是 要 持 續 來 追 蹤 那 其 實 我 更 關 心 的 一 個 點 是 在 於 未 來 之 後 這 個 起 來 之 後 它 的 營 運 一 定 要 找 到 好 的 廠 商 我 也 講 過 非 常 多 次 啦 那 我 也 希 望 部 長 現 在 上 任 之 後\n\n04:55.555 --> 05:18.305\n未 來 的 這 個 大 眾 運 輸 系 統 能 不 能 進 去 會 是 一 個 也 是 一 個 重 要 的 一 個 關 鍵 我 覺 得 一 個 關 鍵 我 希 望 未 來 部 長 一 樣 持 續 的 跟 院 長 跟 保 安 交 通 部 長 持 續 溝 通 爭 取 好 不 好 這 個 會 對 於 整 個 捷 運 黃 線 延 伸 進 到 前 鎮 漁 港 這 件 事 情 會 讓 前 鎮 漁 港 的 這 個 能 不 能 像 真 的 像 豐 州 市 長 那 樣 有 一 個 很 好 的 發 展 效 果 也 會 起 一 個 很 重 要 的 一 個 影 響\n\n05:19.025 --> 05:48.703\n對 , 我 想 謝 謝 委 員 的 提 醒 我 想 那 個 運 輸 系 統 的 進 入 才 能 夠 真 正 的 活 絡 那 個 區 域 那 我 們 除 了 會 跟 行 政 院 這 邊 去 做 溝 通 我 想 我 們 也 會 跟 高 雄 市 這 邊 來 做 一 個 有 效 的 溝 通 對 , 還 有 交 通 部 還 有 公 共 政 府 都 要 溝 通 徵 求 到 他 們 的 共 同 來 支 持 我 覺 得 建 設 都 是 百 年 的 建 設 那 做 得 好 做 得 完 整 的 話 其 實 對 於 整 個 發 展 都 有 相 當 幫 助 遠 洋 漁 業 是 臺 灣 最 重 要 的 產 業 之 一 創 造 非 常 高 的 一 個\n\n05:49.484 --> 06:11.722\n我 認 為 要 把 他 的 效 益 不 斷 的 擴 大 化 那 另 外 是 招 商 的 部 分 你 們 原 先 的 因 為 也 希 望 給 他 廠 商 因 為 現 在 是 2 0 加 1 0 的 一 個 計 畫 嘛 那 因 為 你 一 定 要 給 到 夠 久 的 年 限 那 才 會 有 好 的 廠 商 強 的 廠 商 因 為 這 投 資 現 在 是 2 0 加 1 0 嗎 2 0 加 1 0 對 好 那 這 樣 的 話 有 沒 有 辦 法 吸 引 到 優 秀 的 不 管 是 國 際 級 或 國 內 的 頂 級 的 來 進 組\n\n06:15.117 --> 06:40.837\n我 想 我 們 會 先 看 它 這 樣 的 一 個 方 案 是 不 是 已 經 有 外 國 的 這 些 廠 商 或 者 什 麼 有 那 個 興 趣 啦 我 們 會 隨 時 關 切 這 些 有 興 趣 的 這 些 利 害 關 係 人 然 後 看 看 說 需 要 不 需 要 做 一 個 調 整 而 且 部 長 還 是 要 去 了 解 潛 在 的 可 能 性 的 廠 商 如 果 你 來 問 了 各 種 好 的 潛 在 性 的 廠 商 都 沒 有 意 願 那 顯 然 我 們 的 條 件 必 須 要 再 做 一 些 調 整 好 不 好\n\n06:41.717 --> 07:05.410\n最 重 要 是 要 找 到 強 而 有 能 力 的 一 個 廠 商 那 這 樣 的 話 它 的 發 展 就 會 非 常 順 利 如 果 找 來 的 是 不 夠 優 秀 、 不 夠 強 的 廠 商 其 實 後 面 會 有 很 多 很 辛 苦 的 對 這 個 也 是 我 們 最 擔 心 的 好 不 好 這 個 一 定 不 必 要 當 政 府 做 了 這 麼 多 努 力 的 時 候 我 覺 得 每 一 個 環 節 都 要 把 它 扣 減 這 樣 才 有 可 能 讓 我 們 期 待 的 這 樣 的 一 個 豐 洲 市 場 台 灣 的 豐 洲 市 場 這 樣 的 一 個 計 畫 能 夠 成 功 了\n\n07:09.212 --> 07:30.930\n好 再 來 我 想 請 教 一 下 其 實 這 段 時 間 其 實 假 訊 息 一 直 也 都 是 農 業 部 很 辛 苦 的 一 個 工 作 那 往 往 很 多 的 網 路 上 面 常 常 會 傳 遞 很 多 假 訊 息 那 大 概 都 是 同 仁 去 海 巡 去 找 到 一 些 之 後 然 後 用 新 聞 稿 來 發 布 但 是 我 還 是 要 強 調 這 樣 的 效 果 其 實 是 非 常 有 限 的 啦 我 看 新 聞 稿 非 常 有 限 你 在 事 後 去 賭 的 那 個 消 費 很 有 限\n\n07:31.970 --> 07:58.945\n訴 發 部 現 在 也 在 關 心 這 件 事 情 包 括 各 個 單 位 我 希 望 部 長 還 是 要 持 續 的 去 跟 訴 發 部 跟 相 關 部 會 對 於 平 台 業 者 他 們 該 承 擔 起 的 責 任 的 部 分 我 認 為 應 該 要 去 做 要 求 有 很 多 的 部 分 我 們 一 看 就 知 道 那 個 是 個 假 的 或 甚 至 有 高 度 有 爭 議 性 的 那 其 實 在 平 台 業 者 就 應 該 把 他 給 擋 住 了 不 管 他 是 詐 欺 還 是 假 訊 息 他 的 平 台 業 者 都 有 相 關 的 一 些 責 任 如 果 他 們 善 盡 了 他 們 責 任 的 話\n\n08:00.466 --> 08:22.924\n不 會 在 後 端 就 不 會 這 麼 的 辛 苦 那 造 假 的 訊 息 其 實 是 所 有 業 者 所 有 的 大 家 共 同 都 要 有 責 任 去 防 堵 的 要 不 然 你 的 造 假 東 西 一 堆 然 後 網 路 丟 了 一 堆 然 後 你 後 面 要 去 光 整 耗 掉 一 堆 人 力 來 處 理 這 些 造 假 訊 息 然 後 甚 至 對 農 民 產 生 的 影 響 對 政 府 的 公 信 產 生 影 響 我 認 為 這 個 都 非 常 的 不 公 平 也 都 應 該 要 及 早 處 理\n\n08:23.464 --> 08:46.429\n謝 謝 委 員 , 據 我 所 知 道 在 新 的 內 閣 團 隊 的 群 組 裏 面 , 其 實 速 發 部 已 經 在 處 理 這 一 塊 怎 樣 讓 平 台 的 假 訊 息 更 及 早 的 發 現 , 特 別 是 有 一 些 部 會 首 長 被 當 作 投 資 的 對 象 , 像 那 樣 的 一 個 假 訊 息 其 實 已 經 政 府 現 在 慢 慢 有 一 個 , 速 發 部 那 邊 有 一 個 機 制 跟 平 台 就 對 接 , 所 以 我 想 這 個 部 分 我 想\n\n08:46.929 --> 08:47.369\n對 , 我 們 也 會 跟 他 聯 絡 。 對 。 對 。 對 。 對 。\n\n09:03.099 --> 09:05.220\n最 後 東 虎 姐 快 要 到 了 問 一 下 豬 肉 包 相 關 的 市 場 這 些 價 格 部 分 都 沒 有 問 題 吧 ?\n\n09:23.450 --> 09:48.103\n我 想 現 在 的 價 格 、 豬 肉 的 價 格 大 概 八 九 九 塊 上 下 啦 我 想 大 概 跟 去 年 來 講 差 不 多 甚 至 比 它 還 低 一 點 、 比 較 便 宜 一 點 那 整 個 的 一 個 應 景 的 這 些 豬 肉 、 雞 肉 包 括 它 的 增 工 量 都 會 提 高 到 百 分 之 十 到 二 十 像 豬 的 話 可 能 會 到 兩 萬 兩 千 頭 每 天 的 部 分 所 以 這 個 部 分 我 一 定 會 確 保 端 午 節 本 身\n\n09:48.883 --> 09:49.403\n謝 謝 部 長 。 辛 苦 了 。 謝 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