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的 這 些 剩 餘 物 支 援 化 、 能 源 化 那 你 知 不 知 道 像 我 們 彰 化 市 稻 米 就 是 大 宗 的 縣 市 那 稻 草 也 可 以 支 援 化 , 你 知 不 知 道 ?\n\n3\n00:00:43,234 --> 00:00:56,595\n我 這 裡 舉 例 台 東 的 那 個 農 場 有 將 稻 草 製 成 就 是 固 體 的 燃 料 S R F 這 樣 子 的 這 是 一 種 方 式 那 你 有 沒 有 考 慮 在 彰 化 做 ?\n\n4\n00:01:00,037 --> 00:01:14,914\n就 是 種 稻 以 後 的 剩 餘 物 大 概 兩 類 一 類 是 稻 草 一 類 是 稻 殼 那 稻 殼 我 們 現 在 有 很 多 這 種 粗 糠 爐 有 沒 有 他 去 做 燃 燒 的 這 些 燃 料 所 以 這 個 部 分 我 想 以 前 稻 殼 還 要 找 人 家 來 收 要 給 他 錢\n\n5\n00:01:15,515 --> 00:01:15,535\n〔 記 者 訪 問 〕\n\n6\n00:01:45,515 --> 00:01:47,196\n對 , 要 分 類 啦 , 要 先 做 分 類 的 部 分 所 以 我 們 希 望 說 去 建 構 那 樣 的 一 個 集 貨 的 這 個\n\n7\n00:02:09,335 --> 00:02:10,976\n在 嘉 義 的 東 石 針 對 農 牧 跟 塑 膠 布 也 有 一 個 回 收 機 制\n\n8\n00:02:35,598 --> 00:02:49,101\n可 是 農 作 物 的 種 類 非 常 多 所 以 怎 麼 樣 子 把 不 同 的 種 類 可 以 共 同 的 集 合 起 來 能 源 化 這 是 非 常 重 要 的 議 題 我 為 什 麼 舉 稻 草 因 為 其 實 在 我 們 彰 化 也 有 很 多 的 民 眾 他 們 瞭 解 了 日 本 他 們 製 作 榻 榻 米 的 時 候 需 要 這 個 稻 草\n\n9\n00:03:02,724 --> 00:03:26,069\n他 們 也 希 望 說 能 夠 出 口 台 灣 的 稻 草 到 日 本 去 日 本 也 有 這 樣 的 意 願 農 業 部 有 沒 有 辦 法 就 這 個 部 分 做 任 何 的 協 助 因 為 如 果 能 夠 把 它 做 成 一 個 更 高 價 值 的 東 西 相 對 的 也 是 提 高 這 些 種 稻 的 農 民 的\n\n10\n00:03:29,945 --> 00:03:42,580\n是 , 我 想 委 員 講 到 一 個 非 常 重 要 的 重 點 其 實 稻 草 是 可 以 外 銷 的 那 特 別 在 日 本 很 多 榻 榻 米 的 部 分 但 是 現 在 有 一 個 比 較 致 命 的 規 範 是 沒 有 解 開 的 就 是 因 為\n\n11\n00:03:43,701 --> 00:04:11,089\n日 本 本 身 並 沒 有 去 宣 布 我 們 是 非 疫 區 的 這 些 產 地 的 時 候 稻 草 是 不 能 輸 出 的 因 為 他 們 怕 稻 草 用 在 這 些 續 產 業 的 電 料 那 我 們 現 在 正 在 積 極 的 去 跟 日 本 透 過 那 個 協 會 兩 邊 的 協 會 去 處 理 所 以 是 因 為 又 牽 涉 到 農 牧 的 部 分 ? 對 對 對 沒 有 牽 涉 到 一 些 口 蹄 疫 的 非 疫 區 非 疫 國\n\n12\n00:04:12,229 --> 00:04:15,571\n對 , 所 以 我 們 現 在 正 在 積 極 地 尋 求 這 一 塊 。 那 現 在 可 以 出 去 的 大 概 都 要 加 熱 啦 。\n\n13\n00:04:31,181 --> 00:04:49,564\n那 加 熱 了 以 後 其 實 它 的 再 利 用 的 價 值 就 相 對 的 比 較 少 啊 所 以 我 們 會 更 努 力 的 去 突 破 透 過 台 日 的 這 些 雙 邊 的 會 議 去 積 極 的 讓 他 們 去 了 解 我 們 的 稻 草 就 是 沒 有 進 到 我 們 的 的 豬 場 而 是 從 直 接 從 田 裡 有 系 統 的 出 去 這 個 我 想 我 們 會 很 努 力\n\n14\n00:04:49,924 --> 00:05:12,904\n對 , 我 們 應 該 要 把 整 體 的 就 是 整 個 供 應 鏈 然 後 怎 麼 樣 的 商 業 模 式 建 立 好 因 為 畢 竟 一 般 的 小 農 或 一 般 的 農 民 他 是 沒 有 辦 法 建 構 整 個 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能 夠 出 口 台 灣 的 稻 草 到 日 本 去 日 本 也 有 這 樣 的 意 願 農 業 部 有 沒 有 辦 法 就 這 個 部 分 做 任 何 的 協 助 因 為 如 果 能 夠 把 它 做 成 一 個 更 高 價 值 的 東 西 相 對 的 也 是 提 高 這 些 種 稻 的 農 民 的\n\n03:29.945 --> 03:42.580\n是 , 我 想 委 員 講 到 一 個 非 常 重 要 的 重 點 其 實 稻 草 是 可 以 外 銷 的 那 特 別 在 日 本 很 多 榻 榻 米 的 部 分 但 是 現 在 有 一 個 比 較 致 命 的 規 範 是 沒 有 解 開 的 就 是 因 為\n\n03:43.701 --> 04:11.089\n日 本 本 身 並 沒 有 去 宣 布 我 們 是 非 疫 區 的 這 些 產 地 的 時 候 稻 草 是 不 能 輸 出 的 因 為 他 們 怕 稻 草 用 在 這 些 續 產 業 的 電 料 那 我 們 現 在 正 在 積 極 的 去 跟 日 本 透 過 那 個 協 會 兩 邊 的 協 會 去 處 理 所 以 是 因 為 又 牽 涉 到 農 牧 的 部 分 ? 對 對 對 沒 有 牽 涉 到 一 些 口 蹄 疫 的 非 疫 區 非 疫 國\n\n04:12.229 --> 04:15.571\n對 , 所 以 我 們 現 在 正 在 積 極 地 尋 求 這 一 塊 。 那 現 在 可 以 出 去 的 大 概 都 要 加 熱 啦 。\n\n04:31.181 --> 04:49.564\n那 加 熱 了 以 後 其 實 它 的 再 利 用 的 價 值 就 相 對 的 比 較 少 啊 所 以 我 們 會 更 努 力 的 去 突 破 透 過 台 日 的 這 些 雙 邊 的 會 議 去 積 極 的 讓 他 們 去 了 解 我 們 的 稻 草 就 是 沒 有 進 到 我 們 的 的 豬 場 而 是 從 直 接 從 田 裡 有 系 統 的 出 去 這 個 我 想 我 們 會 很 努 力\n\n04:49.924 --> 05:12.904\n對 , 我 們 應 該 要 把 整 體 的 就 是 整 個 供 應 鏈 然 後 怎 麼 樣 的 商 業 模 式 建 立 好 因 為 畢 竟 一 般 的 小 農 或 一 般 的 農 民 他 是 沒 有 辦 法 建 構 整 個 系 統 的 那 所 以 在 農 村 的 這 些 剩 餘 物 的 資 源 化 以 及 能 源 化 的 這 個 課 題 上 面 我 認 為 政 府 部 門 需 要 負 擔 很 大 的 責 任\n\n05:14.505 --> 05:36.003\n因 為 如 果 大 家 沒 有 你 沒 有 把 他 的 商 業 模 式 建 構 好 那 讓 每 一 個 小 農 都 成 為 這 個 商 業 模 式 裡 面 的 一 個 參 與 者 這 才 能 夠 讓 整 個 我 們 的 農 村 的 永 續 發 展 可 以 比 得 上 就 是 說 比 先 進 的 國 家 更 好 是 不 是 我 想 謝 謝 委 員 的 提 醒\n\n05:37.045 --> 05:59.301\n如 果 單 純 從 小 農 自 己 去 做 資 源 在 利 用 , 它 的 效 率 非 常 低 。 所 以 怎 麼 樣 把 小 農 串 在 一 起 變 成 一 個 大 的 。 所 以 我 們 現 在 在 推 的 集 團 產 區 就 是 這 樣 的 一 個 概 念 。 那 你 集 團 產 區 再 透 過 一 些 有 系 統 的 運 輸 系 統 , 那 就 能 夠 把 這 些 剩 餘 資 材 集 結 在 一 起 。 那 才 有 機 會 去 做 它 的 能 源 化 、 材 料 化 等 。\n\n06:00.452 --> 06:16.478\n我 還 有 一 個 問 題 就 是 陳 吉 仲 是 農 業 部 的 前 部 長 所 以 我 相 信 他 一 定 非 常 了 解 你 們 的 情 況 他 說 臺 灣 的 農 業 的 重 電 都 是 用 來 賣 的 而 不 是 農 業 致 用 的 那 這 個 問 題 怎 麼 改 善\n\n06:23.527 --> 06:39.550\n我 想 現 在 這 個 牽 涉 到 本 身 的 使 用 到 農 地 的 本 身 的 光 電 產 生 的 電 他 是 賣 給 台 電 然 後 台 電 再 送 到 依 照 他 的 需 求 就 做 調 節 但 是 有 一 部 分 的\n\n06:41.480 --> 07:05.156\n光 電 它 是 可 以 自 用 的 。 那 這 個 部 分 我 想 蔚 然 農 業 部 會 推 的 特 別 是 在 漁 村 。 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