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個 最 簡 單 的 問 題 是 我 們 有 什 麼 方 法 可 以 避 免 消 防 員 罹 難\n\n10\n00:03:54,206 --> 00:03:55,488\n時 間 的 關 係 我 直 接 跳 接 我 的 意 見 我 的 意 見 是 不 需 要 消 防 員 親 自 進 火 場 是 最 能 夠 減 少 消 防 員 傷 亡 的 方 式\n\n11\n00:04:10,746 --> 00:04:28,187\n我 這 不 是 異 想 天 開 而 是 我 們 是 不 是 能 夠 有 更 多 先 進 的 科 技 能 夠 補 足 消 防 人 員 消 防 弟 兄 讓 他 們 可 以 減 少 進 去 危 險 火 場 的 機 率 什 麼 意 思 比 如 說 今 天 的 新 竹 市 的 大 火 其 實 部 長 剛 剛 你 也 說 了\n\n12\n00:04:29,508 --> 00:04:43,695\n我 們 是 收 到 通 報 已 經 救 出 民 眾 出 來 以 後 又 收 到 說 還 有 民 眾 在 裡 面 可 是 我 們 進 去 以 後 我 們 不 知 道 民 眾 在 哪 裡 所 以 我 們 有 沒 有 更 好 的 儀 器 我 是 不 太 懂 啦 但 是 比 如 說 什 麼 聽 說 是 紅 外 線 還 是 什 麼 熱 感 應 還 是 什 麼 什 麼 之 類 的 對 不 起 我 可 能 有 說 錯 的 部 分 但 我 的 意 思 是 有 沒 有 更 好 的 高 科 技 可 以 讓 我 們 更 清 楚 的 判 斷 消 防 員 本 身 要 不 要 進 去\n\n13\n00:04:55,481 --> 00:05:17,036\n好 那 這 就 牽 涉 到 消 防 署 的 研 究 量 能 夠 不 夠 我 看 到 的 是 什 麼 我 們 在 2 0 我 們 在 1 1 1 年 的 1 2 月 成 立 了 消 防 科 技 研 發 辦 公 室 但 是 它 的 編 制 是 什 麼 它 的 編 制 只 有 6 名 消 防 人 員 而 且 不 是 專 責 然 後 它 的 經 費 是 什 麼 它 的 經 費 是 只 有 消 防 發 展 基 金 會 支 應 8 0 萬 元\n\n14\n00:05:19,378 --> 00:05:19,578\n蘇 巧 慧 議 員\n\n15\n00:05:41,340 --> 00:05:41,620\n科 技 的 部 分 目 前 在 計 畫 裡 面\n\n16\n00:05:59,505 --> 00:06:01,266\n針 對 人 員 定 位 正 在 研 究\n\n17\n00:06:22,150 --> 00:06:22,250\n蘇 巧 慧\n\n18\n00:06:40,467 --> 00:06:40,987\n新 加 坡 內 政 科 技 局\n\n19\n00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:00,519\n： 蘇 巧 慧\n\n20\n00:07:26,613 --> 00:07:44,839\n那 是 不 是 能 夠 做 出 更 好 的 政 策 讓 保 護 我 們 在 維 護 社 會 安 全 的 人 員 我 覺 得 這 是 一 個 可 以 考 慮 的 方 向 部 長 我 再 說 一 次 我 覺 得 真 正 能 夠 降 低 消 防 弟 兄 發 生 危 險 的 狀 況 就 是 面 對 高 危 險 性 的 火 場 的 時 候 讓 他 們 有 更 大 的 機 會 有 更 好 的 機 制 機 具 輔 助\n\n21\n00:07:53,121 --> 00:08:21,855\n讓 他 們 不 用 親 身 涉 險 我 覺 得 這 是 最 好 的 方 式 謝 謝 委 員 的 垂 詢 我 想 你 講 的 非 常 的 重 要 我 們 也 發 現 到 有 這 方 面 的 這 個 弱 點 需 要 來 補 強 那 未 來 不 只 是 消 防 員 包 括 警 政 甚 至 像 整 合 我 們 的 空 總 的 部 分 在 實 務 上 面 怎 麼 樣 降 低 我 們 去 救 災 的 人 他 們 進 入 高 風 險 的 區 域 裡 面 可 不 可 以 用 科 技 的 方 法 或 是 更 好 的 方 式 來 降 低 救 災 人 員 自 己 本 身 的 傷 亡\n\n22\n00:08:22,415 --> 00:08:23,596\n謝 謝 部 長 你 完 全 掌 握 我 的 重 點 希 望 看 到 成 果 謝 謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3925\t4165\t劉施芳 劉部長\n18230\t31532\t蘇委員早部長今天第一次到立法院備詢首先要先恭喜部長老實說部長算是我們的大學姊啦過去在立法院的表現也都是以第一名的優秀立委著稱不過部長今天站在這裡的心情不一樣以後內政部的事都是你的事全國的安居樂業這個內政部的執掌我想部長真的要靠過去的經驗一肩扛起啦這先給部長加油所以該質詢的還是會質詢你啊\n47735\t74523\t部長今天第一次內政部可以問的方方面面但我們當然還是先從最近的時事開始向您垂詢部長一定知道5月26新竹市發生了一起不幸的高樓層火警的事件部長不曉得你有沒有掌握我們在這個事件當中有兩名消防員不幸罹難殉職這樣狀況最主要的原因是什麼部長可以檢答嗎\n75503\t90964\t蘇維園議員\n90984\t91024\t蘇巧慧議員\n106926\t126997\t是,沒有錯,他們衝進火場裡面,但是在衝進火場裡面那第一時間內呢,他出來以後又有聽到需要裡面再救護,所以兩位又再進去是,所以在這樣的狀況我們根據媒體的報導看起來是因為高樓層嘛,所以空間複雜,所以有所謂的空間迷失,最後可能因此讓消防員沒有足夠的時間離開現場而不幸殉職\n129918\t153915\t好那部長我今天因為我也不是專業我不跟你討論原因的部分但是我想請你看一個統計數字是這近10年近10年我們總共有11件的事件是火警是在這事件裡面有消防員殉職的事故那我把這11件的消防員罹難數和民眾罹難數統計出來這樣的數字不曉得部長有沒有看出什麼端倪或署長有沒有看出什麼端倪\n159619\t175732\t在這幾件的統計當中我們都知道其實我們報章雜誌也想得非常多也就是說我們對於消防員在聽到有火警或是大規模這樣需要救助的時候第一個消防員自己本身的安全或者是進去之前的裝備或是訓練是否有需要檢討的空間讓我們能夠保障消防員要救助其他民眾的時候會更安全的\n182677\t200623\t因為我們今天只有五分鐘必要時才能延長我也不知道我這個必要到底怎麼定義但是我很希望主席多給我一點時間那我直接跟你說啦我的看法是這樣你看我們有這麼多件是民眾罹難數是零的時候還是有消防員罹難所以呢根據這樣報章雜誌的報導裡面甚至我們可以說他是在無人的狀況下消防員為了救火災火警這個災害防救他還是必須進場\n212267\t214088\t所以在這樣的數字當中我想問一個最簡單的問題是我們有什麼方法可以避免消防員罹難\n234206\t235488\t時間的關係我直接跳接我的意見我的意見是不需要消防員親自進火場是最能夠減少消防員傷亡的方式\n250746\t268187\t我這不是異想天開而是我們是不是能夠有更多先進的科技能夠補足消防人員消防弟兄讓他們可以減少進去危險火場的機率什麼意思比如說今天的新竹市的大火其實部長剛剛你也說了\n269508\t283695\t我們是收到通報已經救出民眾出來以後又收到說還有民眾在裡面可是我們進去以後我們不知道民眾在哪裡所以我們有沒有更好的儀器我是不太懂啦但是比如說什麼聽說是紅外線還是什麼熱感應還是什麼什麼之類的對不起我可能有說錯的部分但我的意思是有沒有更好的高科技可以讓我們更清楚的判斷消防員本身要不要進去\n295481\t317036\t好 那這就牽涉到消防署的研究量能夠不夠我看到的是什麼我們在20我們在111年的12月成立了消防科技研發辦公室但是它的編制是什麼它的編制只有6名消防人員而且不是專責然後它的經費是什麼它的經費是只有消防發展基金會支應80萬元\n319378\t319578\t蘇巧慧議員\n341340\t341620\t科技的部分目前在計畫裡面\n359505\t361266\t針對人員定位正在研究\n382150\t382250\t蘇巧慧\n400467\t400987\t新加坡內政科技局\n420279\t420519\t：蘇巧慧\n446613\t464839\t那是不是能夠做出更好的政策讓保護我們在維護社會安全的人員我覺得這是一個可以考慮的方向部長 我再說一次我覺得真正能夠降低消防弟兄發生危險的狀況就是面對高危險性的火場的時候讓他們有更大的機會有更好的機制 機具輔助\n473121\t501855\t讓他們不用親身涉險我覺得這是最好的方式謝謝委員的垂詢我想你講的非常的重要我們也發現到有這方面的這個弱點需要來補強那未來不只是消防員包括警政甚至像整合我們的空總的部分在實務上面怎麼樣降低我們去救災的人他們進入高風險的區域裡面可不可以用科技的方法或是更好的方式來降低救災人員自己本身的傷亡\n502415\t503596\t謝謝部長你完全掌握我的重點希望看到成果謝謝\n","txt":"劉施芳 劉部長\n蘇委員早部長今天第一次到立法院備詢首先要先恭喜部長老實說部長算是我們的大學姊啦過去在立法院的表現也都是以第一名的優秀立委著稱不過部長今天站在這裡的心情不一樣以後內政部的事都是你的事全國的安居樂業這個內政部的執掌我想部長真的要靠過去的經驗一肩扛起啦這先給部長加油所以該質詢的還是會質詢你啊\n部長今天第一次內政部可以問的方方面面但我們當然還是先從最近的時事開始向您垂詢部長一定知道5月26新竹市發生了一起不幸的高樓層火警的事件部長不曉得你有沒有掌握我們在這個事件當中有兩名消防員不幸罹難殉職這樣狀況最主要的原因是什麼部長可以檢答嗎\n蘇維園議員\n蘇巧慧議員\n是,沒有錯,他們衝進火場裡面,但是在衝進火場裡面那第一時間內呢,他出來以後又有聽到需要裡面再救護,所以兩位又再進去是,所以在這樣的狀況我們根據媒體的報導看起來是因為高樓層嘛,所以空間複雜,所以有所謂的空間迷失,最後可能因此讓消防員沒有足夠的時間離開現場而不幸殉職\n好那部長我今天因為我也不是專業我不跟你討論原因的部分但是我想請你看一個統計數字是這近10年近10年我們總共有11件的事件是火警是在這事件裡面有消防員殉職的事故那我把這11件的消防員罹難數和民眾罹難數統計出來這樣的數字不曉得部長有沒有看出什麼端倪或署長有沒有看出什麼端倪\n在這幾件的統計當中我們都知道其實我們報章雜誌也想得非常多也就是說我們對於消防員在聽到有火警或是大規模這樣需要救助的時候第一個消防員自己本身的安全或者是進去之前的裝備或是訓練是否有需要檢討的空間讓我們能夠保障消防員要救助其他民眾的時候會更安全的\n因為我們今天只有五分鐘必要時才能延長我也不知道我這個必要到底怎麼定義但是我很希望主席多給我一點時間那我直接跟你說啦我的看法是這樣你看我們有這麼多件是民眾罹難數是零的時候還是有消防員罹難所以呢根據這樣報章雜誌的報導裡面甚至我們可以說他是在無人的狀況下消防員為了救火災火警這個災害防救他還是必須進場\n所以在這樣的數字當中我想問一個最簡單的問題是我們有什麼方法可以避免消防員罹難\n時間的關係我直接跳接我的意見我的意見是不需要消防員親自進火場是最能夠減少消防員傷亡的方式\n我這不是異想天開而是我們是不是能夠有更多先進的科技能夠補足消防人員消防弟兄讓他們可以減少進去危險火場的機率什麼意思比如說今天的新竹市的大火其實部長剛剛你也說了\n我們是收到通報已經救出民眾出來以後又收到說還有民眾在裡面可是我們進去以後我們不知道民眾在哪裡所以我們有沒有更好的儀器我是不太懂啦但是比如說什麼聽說是紅外線還是什麼熱感應還是什麼什麼之類的對不起我可能有說錯的部分但我的意思是有沒有更好的高科技可以讓我們更清楚的判斷消防員本身要不要進去\n好 那這就牽涉到消防署的研究量能夠不夠我看到的是什麼我們在20我們在111年的12月成立了消防科技研發辦公室但是它的編制是什麼它的編制只有6名消防人員而且不是專責然後它的經費是什麼它的經費是只有消防發展基金會支應80萬元\n蘇巧慧議員\n科技的部分目前在計畫裡面\n針對人員定位正在研究\n蘇巧慧\n新加坡內政科技局\n：蘇巧慧\n那是不是能夠做出更好的政策讓保護我們在維護社會安全的人員我覺得這是一個可以考慮的方向部長 我再說一次我覺得真正能夠降低消防弟兄發生危險的狀況就是面對高危險性的火場的時候讓他們有更大的機會有更好的機制 機具輔助\n讓他們不用親身涉險我覺得這是最好的方式謝謝委員的垂詢我想你講的非常的重要我們也發現到有這方面的這個弱點需要來補強那未來不只是消防員包括警政甚至像整合我們的空總的部分在實務上面怎麼樣降低我們去救災的人他們進入高風險的區域裡面可不可以用科技的方法或是更好的方式來降低救災人員自己本身的傷亡\n謝謝部長你完全掌握我的重點希望看到成果謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.925 --> 00:04.165\n劉 施 芳 劉 部 長\n\n00:18.230 --> 00:31.532\n蘇 委 員 早 部 長 今 天 第 一 次 到 立 法 院 備 詢 首 先 要 先 恭 喜 部 長 老 實 說 部 長 算 是 我 們 的 大 學 姊 啦 過 去 在 立 法 院 的 表 現 也 都 是 以 第 一 名 的 優 秀 立 委 著 稱 不 過 部 長 今 天 站 在 這 裡 的 心 情 不 一 樣 以 後 內 政 部 的 事 都 是 你 的 事 全 國 的 安 居 樂 業 這 個 內 政 部 的 執 掌 我 想 部 長 真 的 要 靠 過 去 的 經 驗 一 肩 扛 起 啦 這 先 給 部 長 加 油 所 以 該 質 詢 的 還 是 會 質 詢 你 啊\n\n00:47.735 --> 01:14.523\n部 長 今 天 第 一 次 內 政 部 可 以 問 的 方 方 面 面 但 我 們 當 然 還 是 先 從 最 近 的 時 事 開 始 向 您 垂 詢 部 長 一 定 知 道 5 月 2 6 新 竹 市 發 生 了 一 起 不 幸 的 高 樓 層 火 警 的 事 件 部 長 不 曉 得 你 有 沒 有 掌 握 我 們 在 這 個 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