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非常謝謝張委員的關心那其實我前兩天有拜訪這個中國佛教會跟大高雄的佛教會所有的這些在佛教界的這個長老或長老你也提到這樣的狀況那原則上我支持可以延長\n第一個就是說因為地方政府在輔導這些宗教團體不管是有自然人或者是非自然人的部分呢確實我們的出家眾他比較不了解俗世裡面的這些規則那我們願意多多來支持那我想這樣子因為本來在宗教就是維持我們社會治安讓人民可以寬信的地方然後那麼為了這樣的法律上面已經時間到了不能夠再繼續做延長或做一個輔導的方面的話呢\n部長,我也不贊成無限期延長,你讓他無限期延長他就沒有壓力不趕快來處理,我們是希望問題及早解決,其實這個問題在台灣\n每個宗教宗派都遇到我跟你講在很多那個教會在原住民的地方然後其實可能100年前我提供給你的那現在又很多產權的問題了那你也不可能就把它拆掉啊也不可能啊對不對各個宗教都有然後啊\n在我們臺灣的這個宗教寺廟啊有很多的問題關於土地的問題不是只有這個有一些寺廟啊他是在\n我們很多法令還沒有實施之前他就已經在那邊了那我們這個部分這一題還有一個有的寺廟是有國有地\n但郭友麗現在無受不讓受啊那你問題也沒辦法解決啊那我們是不是就是說你就是在這個宗教這個廟已經既有存在了那我們應該去協調國有財產署他這個廟如果是財團法人或什麼他以後這個絕對不會變成私人財產的情況之下\n非常謝謝張委員對宗教團體他們的需求了解得非常的深切其實我也碰到有人告訴我說有一些已經列入古蹟長達400年\n400年前恐怕還沒有國有財產署400年前我們的行政區塊也不是這個樣子那我所要推動的部分就是說如果他能夠證明比如說我們取得空照圖在100年前或是說50年前他已經在那個地方的話他要限地當成是宗教團體或宗教場所來使用而不是營利的話其實在我們的立場上我們可以來協助他\n財政部的國有財產署現在的土地讓售大概面積會很小還有就是如果你要租的話大概是九年為主那這個很多人會覺得說九年以後我要再九年再九年這樣對不對那這個部分呢我們來跟財政部來做這個溝通我的想法就第一個因為宗教團體不是盈利組織\n張宏陸\n中廟自己本身可以存在那個地方然後不受其他的影響那至於他能不能取得國有財產地還要看他們所在的範圍第一個我們一定要有共識他們一定要避開土地所使用的敏感地帶如果他有安全疑慮的話恐怕站在我們官方的立場不敢去同意這件事但是如果沒有安全疑慮我想在高山上很多寺廟大概會有類似土石流或是地震等等影響\n以外我們用其他的行政手段我們來跟地方政府一起合作反正部長我覺得啦這個問題啦不管是幾百年前的寺廟或是幾十年的寺廟我覺得我們都要去把它解決啦我覺得只有一個一個啦他如果買了這塊土地或藏住這塊土地他不能另做他用啦永遠就只能當宗教寺廟我覺得只有這樣子就可以解決很多寺廟的問題啦\n我覺得這個來處理就好了嘛好不好對但是因為我剛剛有提到那個國有財產署不在內政部我們會跟他協調我覺得我們要主動去協調你有有你內政部出來協調他們也才敢做然後可以解決嘛不然一個一個寺廟我覺得沒有辦法解決這些問題好不好麻煩部長麻煩部長\n順便請警政署長\n請署長你知不知道有一種現在新興的還沒有列入毒品的叫做伊托米茲知道這個是一個麻醉藥品對那我們現在查獲這個東西我們都怎麼處理\n現在只要潮的話現在目前是用行政採訪那的行政採訪對那這個問題你知不知道現在在是在我們啊這個社會上的問題很嚴重很多年輕人就在抽這個\n時間的關係這個啊\n年輕人流行說這叫喪屍啊對 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老 你 也 提 到 這 樣 的 狀 況 那 原 則 上 我 支 持 可 以 延 長\n\n01:11.627 --> 01:21.936\n第 一 個 就 是 說 因 為 地 方 政 府 在 輔 導 這 些 宗 教 團 體 不 管 是 有 自 然 人 或 者 是 非 自 然 人 的 部 分 呢 確 實 我 們 的 出 家 眾 他 比 較 不 了 解 俗 世 裡 面 的 這 些 規 則 那 我 們 願 意 多 多 來 支 持 那 我 想 這 樣 子 因 為 本 來 在 宗 教 就 是 維 持 我 們 社 會 治 安 讓 人 民 可 以 寬 信 的 地 方 然 後 那 麼 為 了 這 樣 的 法 律 上 面 已 經 時 間 到 了 不 能 夠 再 繼 續 做 延 長 或 做 一 個 輔 導 的 方 面 的 話 呢\n\n01:39.130 --> 01:40.710\n部 長 , 我 也 不 贊 成 無 限 期 延 長 , 你 讓 他 無 限 期 延 長 他 就 沒 有 壓 力 不 趕 快 來 處 理 , 我 們 是 希 望 問 題 及 早 解 決 , 其 實 這 個 問 題 在 台 灣\n\n02:01.676 --> 02:20.832\n每 個 宗 教 宗 派 都 遇 到 我 跟 你 講 在 很 多 那 個 教 會 在 原 住 民 的 地 方 然 後 其 實 可 能 1 0 0 年 前 我 提 供 給 你 的 那 現 在 又 很 多 產 權 的 問 題 了 那 你 也 不 可 能 就 把 它 拆 掉 啊 也 不 可 能 啊 對 不 對 各 個 宗 教 都 有 然 後 啊\n\n02:21.693 --> 02:26.875\n在 我 們 臺 灣 的 這 個 宗 教 寺 廟 啊 有 很 多 的 問 題 關 於 土 地 的 問 題 不 是 只 有 這 個 有 一 些 寺 廟 啊 他 是 在\n\n02:51.260 --> 03:01.569\n我 們 很 多 法 令 還 沒 有 實 施 之 前 他 就 已 經 在 那 邊 了 那 我 們 這 個 部 分 這 一 題 還 有 一 個 有 的 寺 廟 是 有 國 有 地\n\n03:02.625 --> 03:23.798\n但 郭 友 麗 現 在 無 受 不 讓 受 啊 那 你 問 題 也 沒 辦 法 解 決 啊 那 我 們 是 不 是 就 是 說 你 就 是 在 這 個 宗 教 這 個 廟 已 經 既 有 存 在 了 那 我 們 應 該 去 協 調 國 有 財 產 署 他 這 個 廟 如 果 是 財 團 法 人 或 什 麼 他 以 後 這 個 絕 對 不 會 變 成 私 人 財 產 的 情 況 之 下\n\n03:24.779 --> 03:27.761\n非 常 謝 謝 張 委 員 對 宗 教 團 體 他 們 的 需 求 了 解 得 非 常 的 深 切 其 實 我 也 碰 到 有 人 告 訴 我 說 有 一 些 已 經 列 入 古 蹟 長 達 4 0 0 年\n\n03:49.931 --> 04:02.842\n4 0 0 年 前 恐 怕 還 沒 有 國 有 財 產 署 4 0 0 年 前 我 們 的 行 政 區 塊 也 不 是 這 個 樣 子 那 我 所 要 推 動 的 部 分 就 是 說 如 果 他 能 夠 證 明 比 如 說 我 們 取 得 空 照 圖 在 1 0 0 年 前 或 是 說 5 0 年 前 他 已 經 在 那 個 地 方 的 話 他 要 限 地 當 成 是 宗 教 團 體 或 宗 教 場 所 來 使 用 而 不 是 營 利 的 話 其 實 在 我 們 的 立 場 上 我 們 可 以 來 協 助 他\n\n04:16.214 --> 04:28.986\n財 政 部 的 國 有 財 產 署 現 在 的 土 地 讓 售 大 概 面 積 會 很 小 還 有 就 是 如 果 你 要 租 的 話 大 概 是 九 年 為 主 那 這 個 很 多 人 會 覺 得 說 九 年 以 後 我 要 再 九 年 再 九 年 這 樣 對 不 對 那 這 個 部 分 呢 我 們 來 跟 財 政 部 來 做 這 個 溝 通 我 的 想 法 就 第 一 個 因 為 宗 教 團 體 不 是 盈 利 組 織\n\n04:36.753 --> 04:36.773\n張 宏 陸\n\n04:52.656 --> 05:21.179\n中 廟 自 己 本 身 可 以 存 在 那 個 地 方 然 後 不 受 其 他 的 影 響 那 至 於 他 能 不 能 取 得 國 有 財 產 地 還 要 看 他 們 所 在 的 範 圍 第 一 個 我 們 一 定 要 有 共 識 他 們 一 定 要 避 開 土 地 所 使 用 的 敏 感 地 帶 如 果 他 有 安 全 疑 慮 的 話 恐 怕 站 在 我 們 官 方 的 立 場 不 敢 去 同 意 這 件 事 但 是 如 果 沒 有 安 全 疑 慮 我 想 在 高 山 上 很 多 寺 廟 大 概 會 有 類 似 土 石 流 或 是 地 震 等 等 影 響\n\n05:21.940 --> 05:49.775\n以 外 我 們 用 其 他 的 行 政 手 段 我 們 來 跟 地 方 政 府 一 起 合 作 反 正 部 長 我 覺 得 啦 這 個 問 題 啦 不 管 是 幾 百 年 前 的 寺 廟 或 是 幾 十 年 的 寺 廟 我 覺 得 我 們 都 要 去 把 它 解 決 啦 我 覺 得 只 有 一 個 一 個 啦 他 如 果 買 了 這 塊 土 地 或 藏 住 這 塊 土 地 他 不 能 另 做 他 用 啦 永 遠 就 只 能 當 宗 教 寺 廟 我 覺 得 只 有 這 樣 子 就 可 以 解 決 很 多 寺 廟 的 問 題 啦\n\n05:50.776 --> 05:59.023\n我 覺 得 這 個 來 處 理 就 好 了 嘛 好 不 好 對 但 是 因 為 我 剛 剛 有 提 到 那 個 國 有 財 產 署 不 在 內 政 部 我 們 會 跟 他 協 調 我 覺 得 我 們 要 主 動 去 協 調 你 有 有 你 內 政 部 出 來 協 調 他 們 也 才 敢 做 然 後 可 以 解 決 嘛 不 然 一 個 一 個 寺 廟 我 覺 得 沒 有 辦 法 解 決 這 些 問 題 好 不 好 麻 煩 部 長 麻 煩 部 長\n\n06:13.235 --> 06:13.475\n順 便 請 警 政 署 長\n\n06:34.332 --> 06:48.845\n請 署 長 你 知 不 知 道 有 一 種 現 在 新 興 的 還 沒 有 列 入 毒 品 的 叫 做 伊 托 米 茲 知 道 這 個 是 一 個 麻 醉 藥 品 對 那 我 們 現 在 查 獲 這 個 東 西 我 們 都 怎 麼 處 理\n\n06:50.271 --> 07:05.603\n現 在 只 要 潮 的 話 現 在 目 前 是 用 行 政 採 訪 那 的 行 政 採 訪 對 那 這 個 問 題 你 知 不 知 道 現 在 在 是 在 我 們 啊 這 個 社 會 上 的 問 題 很 嚴 重 很 多 年 輕 人 就 在 抽 這 個\n\n07:06.283 --> 07:06.483\n時 間 的 關 係 這 個 啊\n\n07:30.700 --> 07:57.799\n年 輕 人 流 行 說 這 叫 喪 屍 啊 對 就 喪 屍 喪 屍 啊 屍 體 的 屍 喪 屍 跟 點 我 跟 你 講 這 個 非 常 嚴 重 我 認 為 署 長 你 剛 上 任 你 應 該 把 這 個 內 容 重 點 趕 快 把 它 解 決 啊 對 然 後 同 樣 的 問 題 我 們 內 政 部 應 該 主 動 跟 衛 福 部 跟 什 麼 然 後 去 聯 繫 這 個 你 把 它 當 成 要 事 法 去 處 理 我 覺 得 不 對\n\n07:59.321 --> 08:18.717\n這 個 就 是 毒 品 了 , 尤 其 是 販 售 什 麼 的 , 我 們 應 該 把 它 積 極 納 入 啊 , 然 後 積 極 的 去 抓 啊 我 跟 你 講 , 一 個 新 興 的 毒 品 的 產 生 , 你 不 馬 上 把 它 剷 除 的 話 , 以 後 就 越 來 越 多 然 後 咧 , 等 它 變 成 一 個 很 大 的 這 個 龐 大 的 事 業 鏈 之 後 , 它 養 的 越 多 人 , 你 越 難 處 理\n\n08:19.858 --> 08:20.159\n李 卓 人 議 員\n\n08:39.906 --> 08:42.429\n這 個 主 席 給 我 3 0 秒 這 個 問 題 很 嚴 重 所 以 多 久 時 間 可 以 處 理 我 不 是 問 你 什 麼 時 候 要 開 會\n\n08:53.444 --> 09:17.025\n把 他 納 管 嘛 有 兩 個 第 一 個 納 入 毒 品 管 理 第 二 個 你 們 要 積 極 有 效 的 去 查 我 們 會 積 極 來 查 來 查 處 好 不 好 所 以 6 月 7 號 你 是 剛 是 說 6 月 7 號 會 納 入 毒 品 是 不 是 我 們 都 審 會 會 把 他 納 入 來 做 一 個 討 論 是 把 他 納 入 做 為 新 型 毒 品 的 一 個 範 圍 那 以 後 把 他 納 入 法 律 來 做 取 調\n\n09:18.126 --> 09:31.284\n我 覺 得 啦 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