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快 處 理 第 一 個 就 是 我 們 希 望 三 個 月 之 內 由 內 政 部 和 原 民 會 邀 集 中 華 民 國 建 築 師 公 會 我 們 來 召 開 部 落 住 宅 合 法 化 的 推 動 研 討 會 然 後 這 能 夠 來 匯 集 部 落 需 求 廣 納 專 家 學 者 的 意 見 我 們 擬 定 部 落 住 宅 合 法 化 的 作 業 規 範 這 有 沒 有 可 能\n\n9\n00:03:06,841 --> 00:03:23,906\n這 可 以 我 們 還 會 可 能 會 再 加 邀 相 關 的 水 保 技 師 那 一 類 的 一 起 就 是 說 來 探 討 原 住 民 的 這 個 住 宅 要 合 法 的 話 他 還 要 經 過 健 管 經 過 水 保 這 一 些 那 有 哪 一 些 困 難 有 哪 一 些 問 題 需 要 來 克 服 這 是\n\n10\n00:03:25,107 --> 00:03:27,809\n部 長 跟 署 長 比 我 更 清 楚 知 道 尤 其 在 3 0 個 山 地 鄉 裡 面 因 為 他 們 的 土 地 區 分 不 能 夠 劃 定 為 農 事\n\n11\n00:03:47,384 --> 00:04:15,218\n所 以 內 政 部 跟 這 個 委 員 會 他 我 們 是 必 須 保 障 所 謂 的 零 星 住 戶 的 住 宅 使 用 他 的 權 利 應 該 要 比 照 農 事 這 樣 子 才 符 合 部 落 生 活 所 需 要 對 不 對 吳 署 長 您 了 解 這 件 事 情 吧 其 實 這 一 點 就 會 跟 剛 剛 第 一 個 會 兩 個 扣 在 一 起 他 說 今 天 不 光 是 只 有 土 地 合 法 的 問 題 其 實 他 必 須 跟 建 管 跟 水 保 全 部 扣 在 一 起 才 有 辦 法 正 確 去 否 則 只 有 土 地 你 即 便 讓 他 變 了 他 還 是 做 不 了\n\n12\n00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:32,191\n第 三 個 就 是 要 保 障 現 行 非 都 市 土 地 使 用 管 制 規 則 的 第 4 5 跟 第 4 6 條 也 就 是 原 住 民 申 請 興 建 自 用 住 宅 的 規 定 也 就 是 所 謂 的 一 生 一 次 的 規 定 可 以 嗎\n\n13\n00:04:32,911 --> 00:04:34,233\n若 實 以 三 地 相 為 單 位 , 辦 理 鄉 村 規 劃 , 劃 定 部 落 未 來 的 發 展 區 域 。\n\n14\n00:04:50,152 --> 00:05:16,472\n這 個 我 們 當 然 會 努 力 協 助 了 地 方 政 府 只 要 他 願 意 提 出 申 請 我 們 都 會 來 支 持 他 們 好 所 以 以 上 四 點 都 沒 有 問 題 嗎 接 著 下 來 我 要 希 望 那 個 署 長 和 部 長 能 夠 盡 速 召 集 地 方 政 府 來 溝 通 國 土 計 畫 的 施 行 如 果 地 方 政 府 有 意 見 的 話 是 不 是 可 以 請 他 們 正 面 表 列 他 們 的 所 有 的 疑 問 而 不 是 說 反 對 然 後 就 講 不 出 理 由 是 不 是 請 署 長 跟 部 長 辛 苦 一 下 好 嗎\n\n15\n00:05:16,952 --> 00:05:18,633\n1 1 1 年 到 1 1 4 年 度 的 殯 葬 設 施 量 能 提 升 計 畫 僅 僅 剩 一 年 就 要 結 束 了\n\n16\n00:05:34,500 --> 00:05:54,625\n金 費 也 全 數 的 分 配 完 畢 但 是 部 長 應 該 非 常 的 清 楚 山 地 鄉 有 很 多 的 公 所 因 為 中 央 的 金 費 不 足 沒 有 金 費 施 作 也 因 為 海 拔 跟 水 源 保 育 區 設 置 冰 藏 設 施 是 有 環 評 跟 水 保 法 規 上 的 限 制 這 導 致 有 非 常 多 的 原 鄉 難 以 提 報 計 畫 請 問 部 長 你 是 不 是 可 以 承 諾 我 們 原 鄉 這 項 計 畫 是 可 以 延 續 辦 理 嗎\n\n17\n00:06:00,506 --> 00:06:00,686\n部 長 可 以 協 助 嗎 ?\n\n18\n00:06:20,683 --> 00:06:20,883\n主 席 主 席\n\n19\n00:06:40,353 --> 00:06:54,559\n我 相 信 這 幾 點 在 部 落 的 族 人 聽 到 其 實 是 滿 開 心 的 希 望 說 未 來 能 夠 對 於 原 住 民 地 區 的 需 求 我 們 的 政 府 官 員 都 會 非 常 的 理 解 第 三 個 議 題 我 就 是 要 講 到 我 們 的 獵 槍 的 權 益 了 獵 槍 權 益 4 至 8 0 3 號 解 釋 的 原 住 民 的 獵 槍 獵 槍 的 規 範 的 議 題 上 面 我 開 了 三 次 的 協 調 會\n\n20\n00:07:02,102 --> 00:07:21,218\n最 高 法 院 的 判 決 也 同 意 逐 人 自 治 還 有 保 證 安 全 性 的 前 提 下 會 朝 雙 軌 制 的 方 案 訂 定 規 範 警 政 署 跟 園 民 會 今 年 也 召 開 了 三 次 的 會 議 但 是 呢 還 沒 有 修 正 完 成 請 問 一 下 部 長 列 腔 辦 法 修 正 的 困 難 點 到 底 是 什 麼\n\n21\n00:07:21,778 --> 00:07:41,176\n好 那 現 在 我 們 還 是 同 意 雙 軌 制 來 做 進 行 雙 軌 制 那 這 個 新 的 就 是 從 國 外 進 口 的 零 件 那 就 是 沒 有 檢 測 的 問 題 那 現 在 就 是 我 原 住 民 自 己 自 製 的 列 槍 現 在 我 們 在 制 定 這 一 些 檢 測 的 這 一 個 這 個 方 式 方 法\n\n22\n00:07:41,636 --> 00:07:59,778\n到 底 有 哪 個 單 位 來 檢 測 那 我 們 進 行 會 會 來 做 決 定 到 底 是 要 從 有 比 較 有 能 力 的 國 防 部 他 們 來 做 這 個 檢 測 的 這 個 單 位 那 這 樣 就 能 夠 確 定 好 什 麼 時 候 請 問 署 長 我 們 大 概 在 下 個 禮 拜 有 一 個 有 個 會 要 來 開 要 來 召 集 他 們 來 開 這 個 會\n\n23\n00:08:00,819 --> 00:08:03,340\n第 4 個 議 題 要 講 到 的 就 是 我 們 最 辛 苦 的 警 察 同 仁 的 權 益 了 我 知 道 5 月 1 7 號 行 政 院 有 合 併 警 政 人 員 為 勞 性 勤 務 的 津 貼 也 就 是 說 1 2 點 到 6 點\n\n24\n00:08:16,147 --> 00:08:16,407\n主 席\n\n25\n00:08:32,913 --> 00:08:33,233\n李 慧 琼 議 員\n\n26\n00:08:59,740 --> 00:09:13,875\n難 道 夜 間 值 班 不 算 工 作 嗎 ? 沒 有 危 險 性 嗎 ? 況 且 不 要 忘 記 今 年 2 月 底 基 隆 市 的 警 察 第 三 分 局 他 才 發 聲 小 貨 車 去 衝 撞 我 們 的 值 班 台 這 也 造 成 了 2 4 歲 我 們 的 員 警 傷 重 不 治 部 長\n\n27\n00:09:17,859 --> 00:09:19,440\n我 來 回 應 好 了 我 想 高 金 委 員 的 所 提 的 非 常 的 正 確\n\n28\n00:09:45,618 --> 00:10:06,743\n因 為 我 們 是 6 月 1 號 才 開 始 實 施 那 未 來 要 不 要 重 寬 來 做 認 定 的 話 我 們 會 跟 警 政 署 來 做 商 量 如 果 可 以 重 寬 的 話 我 們 盡 量 從 重 寬 的 方 向 來 進 行 什 麼 時 候 可 以 讓 我 們 知 道 可 以 重 寬 因 為 我 們 6 月 1 號 才 開 始 實 施 是 不 是 實 施 一 段 時 間 譬 如 說 三 個 月 幾 個 月 以 後 我 們 再 讓 滾 動 式 的 方 式 來 檢 討\n\n29\n00:10:07,603 --> 00:10:09,143\n提 升 到 3 . 5 % 我 們 也 請 部 長 明 日 我 要 審 查 的 是 都 員 條 例 也 請 我 們 部 長 也 能 夠 跟 我 們 支 持 好 不 好\n\n30\n00:10:37,330 --> 00:10:38,354\n主 席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3843\t4023\t原住民文字\n20838\t23499\t國土計劃法則攸關部落族人的土地跟居住正義近年來有非常多的地方政府他認為\n47988\t52131\t有關8萬戶以上的住宅合法化的政策是必須要推動的請問一下部長這個部分你應該怎麼處理如果其他的縣市有意見的話\n66903\t91172\t是,謝謝高金委員的垂詢我們也針對這個部分在內部做過討論根據我們現在的這個行政程序如果國土計劃法要公布的話是要全國一致來公布那我們正在想想看說有沒有可能是縣市縣市來推動那另外就是您所提到的在原住民的很多朋友他們認為國土計劃法越快通過的話對於房舍的合法化會取得一定的\n94653\t94833\t高金素梅議員\n109730\t112491\t政府的政策對於山地管制或土地規劃根本沒有考量到部落的所需造成部落非常多違建\n138160\t160596\t所以過去因為政策不周延造成了族人權益的損失我相信原民會跟內政部我們應該要趕快來處理好不好也就是說住宅合法化還有土地計畫需要制定的原住民族土地使用規則作為未來原住民部落土地使用的規範在這裡我有幾點建議第一個建議就是也請吳署長是不是能夠\n163658\t186122\t理解也來趕快處理第一個就是我們希望三個月之內由內政部和原民會邀集中華民國建築師公會我們來召開部落住宅合法化的推動研討會然後這能夠來匯集部落需求廣納專家學者的意見我們擬定部落住宅合法化的作業規範這有沒有可能\n186841\t203906\t這可以我們還會可能會再加邀相關的水保技師那一類的一起就是說來探討原住民的這個住宅要合法的話他還要經過健管經過水保這一些那有哪一些困難有哪一些問題需要來克服這是\n205107\t207809\t部長跟署長比我更清楚知道尤其在30個山地鄉裡面因為他們的土地區分不能夠劃定為農事\n227384\t255218\t所以內政部跟這個委員會他我們是必須保障所謂的零星住戶的住宅使用他的權利應該要比照農事這樣子才符合部落生活所需要對不對吳署長您了解這件事情吧其實這一點就會跟剛剛第一個會兩個扣在一起他說今天不光是只有土地合法的問題其實他必須跟建管跟水保全部扣在一起才有辦法正確去否則只有土地你即便讓他變了他還是做不了\n257680\t272191\t第三個就是要保障現行非都市土地使用管制規則的第45跟第46條也就是原住民申請興建自用住宅的規定也就是所謂的一生一次的規定可以嗎\n272911\t274233\t若實以三地相為單位,辦理鄉村規劃,劃定部落未來的發展區域。\n290152\t316472\t這個我們當然會努力協助了地方政府只要他願意提出申請我們都會來支持他們好 所以以上四點都沒有問題嗎接著下來我要希望那個署長和部長能夠盡速召集地方政府來溝通國土計畫的施行如果地方政府有意見的話是不是可以請他們正面表列他們的所有的疑問而不是說反對然後就講不出理由是不是請署長跟部長辛苦一下好嗎\n316952\t318633\t111年到114年度的殯葬設施量能提升計畫僅僅剩一年就要結束了\n334500\t354625\t金費也全數的分配完畢但是部長應該非常的清楚山地鄉有很多的公所因為中央的金費不足沒有金費施作也因為海拔跟水源保育區設置冰藏設施是有環評跟水保法規上的限制這導致有非常多的原鄉難以提報計畫請問部長你是不是可以承諾我們原鄉這項計畫是可以延續辦理嗎\n360506\t360686\t部長可以協助嗎?\n380683\t380883\t主席主席\n400353\t414559\t我相信這幾點在部落的族人聽到其實是滿開心的希望說未來能夠對於原住民地區的需求我們的政府官員都會非常的理解第三個議題我就是要講到我們的獵槍的權益了獵槍權益4至803號解釋的原住民的獵槍獵槍的規範的議題上面我開了三次的協調會\n422102\t441218\t最高法院的判決也同意逐人自治還有保證安全性的前提下會朝雙軌制的方案訂定規範警政署跟園民會今年也召開了三次的會議但是呢還沒有修正完成請問一下部長列腔辦法修正的困難點到底是什麼\n441778\t461176\t好那現在我們還是同意雙軌制來做進行雙軌制那這個新的就是從國外進口的零件那就是沒有檢測的問題那現在就是我原住民自己自製的列槍現在我們在制定這一些檢測的這一個這個方式方法\n461636\t479778\t到底有哪個單位來檢測那我們進行會會來做決定到底是要從有比較有能力的國防部他們來做這個檢測的這個單位那這樣就能夠確定好什麼時候請問署長我們大概在下個禮拜有一個有個會要來開要來召集他們來開這個會\n480819\t483340\t第4個議題要講到的就是我們最辛苦的警察同仁的權益了我知道5月17號行政院有合併警政人員為勞性勤務的津貼也就是說12點到6點\n496147\t496407\t主席\n512913\t513233\t李慧琼議員\n539740\t553875\t難道夜間值班不算工作嗎?沒有危險性嗎?況且不要忘記今年2月底基隆市的警察第三分局他才發聲小貨車去衝撞我們的值班台這也造成了24歲我們的員警傷重不治部長\n557859\t559440\t我來回應好了我想高金委員的所提的非常的正確\n585618\t606743\t因為我們是6月1號才開始實施那未來要不要重寬來做認定的話我們會跟警政署來做商量如果可以重寬的話我們盡量從重寬的方向來進行什麼時候可以讓我們知道可以重寬因為我們6月1號才開始實施是不是實施一段時間譬如說三個月幾個月以後我們再讓滾動式的方式來檢討\n607603\t609143\t提升到3.5%我們也請部長明日我要審查的是都員條例也請我們部長也能夠跟我們支持好不好\n637330\t638354\t主席\n","txt":"原住民文字\n國土計劃法則攸關部落族人的土地跟居住正義近年來有非常多的地方政府他認為\n有關8萬戶以上的住宅合法化的政策是必須要推動的請問一下部長這個部分你應該怎麼處理如果其他的縣市有意見的話\n是,謝謝高金委員的垂詢我們也針對這個部分在內部做過討論根據我們現在的這個行政程序如果國土計劃法要公布的話是要全國一致來公布那我們正在想想看說有沒有可能是縣市縣市來推動那另外就是您所提到的在原住民的很多朋友他們認為國土計劃法越快通過的話對於房舍的合法化會取得一定的\n高金素梅議員\n政府的政策對於山地管制或土地規劃根本沒有考量到部落的所需造成部落非常多違建\n所以過去因為政策不周延造成了族人權益的損失我相信原民會跟內政部我們應該要趕快來處理好不好也就是說住宅合法化還有土地計畫需要制定的原住民族土地使用規則作為未來原住民部落土地使用的規範在這裡我有幾點建議第一個建議就是也請吳署長是不是能夠\n理解也來趕快處理第一個就是我們希望三個月之內由內政部和原民會邀集中華民國建築師公會我們來召開部落住宅合法化的推動研討會然後這能夠來匯集部落需求廣納專家學者的意見我們擬定部落住宅合法化的作業規範這有沒有可能\n這可以我們還會可能會再加邀相關的水保技師那一類的一起就是說來探討原住民的這個住宅要合法的話他還要經過健管經過水保這一些那有哪一些困難有哪一些問題需要來克服這是\n部長跟署長比我更清楚知道尤其在30個山地鄉裡面因為他們的土地區分不能夠劃定為農事\n所以內政部跟這個委員會他我們是必須保障所謂的零星住戶的住宅使用他的權利應該要比照農事這樣子才符合部落生活所需要對不對吳署長您了解這件事情吧其實這一點就會跟剛剛第一個會兩個扣在一起他說今天不光是只有土地合法的問題其實他必須跟建管跟水保全部扣在一起才有辦法正確去否則只有土地你即便讓他變了他還是做不了\n第三個就是要保障現行非都市土地使用管制規則的第45跟第46條也就是原住民申請興建自用住宅的規定也就是所謂的一生一次的規定可以嗎\n若實以三地相為單位,辦理鄉村規劃,劃定部落未來的發展區域。\n這個我們當然會努力協助了地方政府只要他願意提出申請我們都會來支持他們好 所以以上四點都沒有問題嗎接著下來我要希望那個署長和部長能夠盡速召集地方政府來溝通國土計畫的施行如果地方政府有意見的話是不是可以請他們正面表列他們的所有的疑問而不是說反對然後就講不出理由是不是請署長跟部長辛苦一下好嗎\n111年到114年度的殯葬設施量能提升計畫僅僅剩一年就要結束了\n金費也全數的分配完畢但是部長應該非常的清楚山地鄉有很多的公所因為中央的金費不足沒有金費施作也因為海拔跟水源保育區設置冰藏設施是有環評跟水保法規上的限制這導致有非常多的原鄉難以提報計畫請問部長你是不是可以承諾我們原鄉這項計畫是可以延續辦理嗎\n部長可以協助嗎?\n主席主席\n我相信這幾點在部落的族人聽到其實是滿開心的希望說未來能夠對於原住民地區的需求我們的政府官員都會非常的理解第三個議題我就是要講到我們的獵槍的權益了獵槍權益4至803號解釋的原住民的獵槍獵槍的規範的議題上面我開了三次的協調會\n最高法院的判決也同意逐人自治還有保證安全性的前提下會朝雙軌制的方案訂定規範警政署跟園民會今年也召開了三次的會議但是呢還沒有修正完成請問一下部長列腔辦法修正的困難點到底是什麼\n好那現在我們還是同意雙軌制來做進行雙軌制那這個新的就是從國外進口的零件那就是沒有檢測的問題那現在就是我原住民自己自製的列槍現在我們在制定這一些檢測的這一個這個方式方法\n到底有哪個單位來檢測那我們進行會會來做決定到底是要從有比較有能力的國防部他們來做這個檢測的這個單位那這樣就能夠確定好什麼時候請問署長我們大概在下個禮拜有一個有個會要來開要來召集他們來開這個會\n第4個議題要講到的就是我們最辛苦的警察同仁的權益了我知道5月17號行政院有合併警政人員為勞性勤務的津貼也就是說12點到6點\n主席\n李慧琼議員\n難道夜間值班不算工作嗎?沒有危險性嗎?況且不要忘記今年2月底基隆市的警察第三分局他才發聲小貨車去衝撞我們的值班台這也造成了24歲我們的員警傷重不治部長\n我來回應好了我想高金委員的所提的非常的正確\n因為我們是6月1號才開始實施那未來要不要重寬來做認定的話我們會跟警政署來做商量如果可以重寬的話我們盡量從重寬的方向來進行什麼時候可以讓我們知道可以重寬因為我們6月1號才開始實施是不是實施一段時間譬如說三個月幾個月以後我們再讓滾動式的方式來檢討\n提升到3.5%我們也請部長明日我要審查的是都員條例也請我們部長也能夠跟我們支持好不好\n主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.843 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理 鄉 村 規 劃 , 劃 定 部 落 未 來 的 發 展 區 域 。\n\n04:50.152 --> 05:16.472\n這 個 我 們 當 然 會 努 力 協 助 了 地 方 政 府 只 要 他 願 意 提 出 申 請 我 們 都 會 來 支 持 他 們 好 所 以 以 上 四 點 都 沒 有 問 題 嗎 接 著 下 來 我 要 希 望 那 個 署 長 和 部 長 能 夠 盡 速 召 集 地 方 政 府 來 溝 通 國 土 計 畫 的 施 行 如 果 地 方 政 府 有 意 見 的 話 是 不 是 可 以 請 他 們 正 面 表 列 他 們 的 所 有 的 疑 問 而 不 是 說 反 對 然 後 就 講 不 出 理 由 是 不 是 請 署 長 跟 部 長 辛 苦 一 下 好 嗎\n\n05:16.952 --> 05:18.633\n1 1 1 年 到 1 1 4 年 度 的 殯 葬 設 施 量 能 提 升 計 畫 僅 僅 剩 一 年 就 要 結 束 了\n\n05:34.500 --> 05:54.625\n金 費 也 全 數 的 分 配 完 畢 但 是 部 長 應 該 非 常 的 清 楚 山 地 鄉 有 很 多 的 公 所 因 為 中 央 的 金 費 不 足 沒 有 金 費 施 作 也 因 為 海 拔 跟 水 源 保 育 區 設 置 冰 藏 設 施 是 有 環 評 跟 水 保 法 規 上 的 限 制 這 導 致 有 非 常 多 的 原 鄉 難 以 提 報 計 畫 請 問 部 長 你 是 不 是 可 以 承 諾 我 們 原 鄉 這 項 計 畫 是 可 以 延 續 辦 理 嗎\n\n06:00.506 --> 06:00.686\n部 長 可 以 協 助 嗎 ?\n\n06:20.683 --> 06:20.883\n主 席 主 席\n\n06:40.353 --> 06:54.559\n我 相 信 這 幾 點 在 部 落 的 族 人 聽 到 其 實 是 滿 開 心 的 希 望 說 未 來 能 夠 對 於 原 住 民 地 區 的 需 求 我 們 的 政 府 官 員 都 會 非 常 的 理 解 第 三 個 議 題 我 就 是 要 講 到 我 們 的 獵 槍 的 權 益 了 獵 槍 權 益 4 至 8 0 3 號 解 釋 的 原 住 民 的 獵 槍 獵 槍 的 規 範 的 議 題 上 面 我 開 了 三 次 的 協 調 會\n\n07:02.102 --> 07:21.218\n最 高 法 院 的 判 決 也 同 意 逐 人 自 治 還 有 保 證 安 全 性 的 前 提 下 會 朝 雙 軌 制 的 方 案 訂 定 規 範 警 政 署 跟 園 民 會 今 年 也 召 開 了 三 次 的 會 議 但 是 呢 還 沒 有 修 正 完 成 請 問 一 下 部 長 列 腔 辦 法 修 正 的 困 難 點 到 底 是 什 麼\n\n07:21.778 --> 07:41.176\n好 那 現 在 我 們 還 是 同 意 雙 軌 制 來 做 進 行 雙 軌 制 那 這 個 新 的 就 是 從 國 外 進 口 的 零 件 那 就 是 沒 有 檢 測 的 問 題 那 現 在 就 是 我 原 住 民 自 己 自 製 的 列 槍 現 在 我 們 在 制 定 這 一 些 檢 測 的 這 一 個 這 個 方 式 方 法\n\n07:41.636 --> 07:59.778\n到 底 有 哪 個 單 位 來 檢 測 那 我 們 進 行 會 會 來 做 決 定 到 底 是 要 從 有 比 較 有 能 力 的 國 防 部 他 們 來 做 這 個 檢 測 的 這 個 單 位 那 這 樣 就 能 夠 確 定 好 什 麼 時 候 請 問 署 長 我 們 大 概 在 下 個 禮 拜 有 一 個 有 個 會 要 來 開 要 來 召 集 他 們 來 開 這 個 會\n\n08:00.819 --> 08:03.340\n第 4 個 議 題 要 講 到 的 就 是 我 們 最 辛 苦 的 警 察 同 仁 的 權 益 了 我 知 道 5 月 1 7 號 行 政 院 有 合 併 警 政 人 員 為 勞 性 勤 務 的 津 貼 也 就 是 說 1 2 點 到 6 點\n\n08:16.147 --> 08:16.407\n主 席\n\n08:32.913 --> 08:33.233\n李 慧 琼 議 員\n\n08:59.740 --> 09:13.875\n難 道 夜 間 值 班 不 算 工 作 嗎 ? 沒 有 危 險 性 嗎 ? 況 且 不 要 忘 記 今 年 2 月 底 基 隆 市 的 警 察 第 三 分 局 他 才 發 聲 小 貨 車 去 衝 撞 我 們 的 值 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